7th Alpha video "Levequests and Party Combat"

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Originally Posted by Gao

It's like some people think they know what they're talking about... as if... as if they were in the alpha!

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http://www.politicalpaige.net/web_images/obama-shh.jpg

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Originally Posted by Gao

It's like some people think they know what they're talking about... as if... as if they were in the alpha!

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Don't have to be in alpha to know what the developers have already told us outright.

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

Yeah, this is how you show off a game in development!

Seriously, Mr. Doom and Gloom Grouchy Grouch, you could replace the words "alpha", "ARR", and "1.0" with the name "Obama" and you would fit right in on the Fox News Channel here in the U.S.

You know what I think? There's a difference between watching a video game being played and playing it yourself, and role playing games have always been boring to watch. Compare this to this. Which game looks more exciting to you?

We complained about the "flashiness" in 1.0? Maybe you did, but I seem to remember more people complained about the lack of flashy effects and unique animations for our weapon skills.

And I'm not seeing where you get the idea that the party UI looks messy. None of the indicators are overlapping or "clustered". And keep in mind you're seeing the game's UI rendered on a 1280x720 screen. Think about how it will look on a full 1080p resolution.

If a hundred things about ARR look good, and one thing looks bad, mentioning that one bad thing a hundred times does not make it any greater amount than a single bad thing. And yes, the verbal and written response to these videos are of course going to focus on what's bad, because its people's natural inclination to notice what doesn't look right or normal to them.

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Dammit Eikiki, making me want to play FFI all over again.

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Originally Posted by moriandrio

Even betther then crying about mechanics that haven't even been implemented in the alpha...
Sry but after reading this thread alot ppl don't deserve to watch those vids....

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You're from Sargatanas. Nobody cares about your opinion.

















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Originally Posted by Eekiki

You know what I think? There's a difference between watching a video game being played and playing it yourself, and role playing games have always been boring to watch. Compare this to this. Which game looks more exciting to you?

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Hmm yes I see your point, Contra does look more interesting to play but let's use more modern day examples to give fair judgement using this and this.

IMO flashiness made games more interesting :P (But Contra still looked more interesting, lol)

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Originally Posted by AlexNiculaie

Don't have to be in alpha to know what the developers have already told us outright.

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Let's just say that there's some contradictions in what the devs said and the actual state of alpha. . . .

In these threads people are often wrong and/or have false assumptions. That's expected though, since the opinions are based only on vids the devs hand out and bits of txt info.

Greetings!

In regards to all of the comments about how the enemies visibly react to player attacks, we'll be adjusting these animations around the time the Beta Test begins.

Specifically we are looking into addressing it in the following ways:

• Vary the damage animation according to the amount of damage inflicted.
• Tone down the damage animation for large monsters.

Thank you, Snurble!

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings![*]Tone down the damage animation for large monsters.[/list]

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What about smaller monsters? Will Snurbles go flying when I hit them? :D

I think any mob half your size or smaller should receive a knockback effect when ever you hit them.

Anyone else notice that if you die in a leve now, you cant return unless your homepoint was set there or you forfeit? thats... silly.

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Originally Posted by Hanabira

Anyone else notice that if you die in a leve now, you cant return unless your homepoint was set there or you forfeit? thats... silly.

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Well I assume that would cause you to zone into a different area which would abandon the leve right? Isn't that how it worked in 1.0?

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Originally Posted by Hanabira

Anyone else notice that if you die in a leve now, you cant return unless your homepoint was set there or you forfeit? thats... silly.

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Guess it makes people travel more, rather than setting their homepoint in town and just zipping back when they're done.
On one hand it could make people use the transportation features more, on the other it could be slightly inconvenient for the player.Then again We'll probably still have the inn room homepoint.

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Originally Posted by Wint

Well I assume that would cause you to zone into a different area which would abandon the leve right? Isn't that how it worked in 1.0?

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no, leves just made enemies spawn in area's nearby. But if you were killed in a leve, using return would take you back to the starting point of the leve no matter where your home point was set.

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Originally Posted by AlexNiculaie

Don't have to be in alpha to know what the developers have already told us outright.

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You'll be surprised from the info the devs gives then playing the alpha first hand lol. Reason why is this:

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Originally Posted by Nuinn

Let's just say that there's some contradictions in what the devs said and the actual state of alpha. . . .

In these threads people are often wrong and/or have false assumptions. That's expected though, since the opinions are based only on vids the devs hand out and bits of txt info.

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He's right about this.

Not saying that you're wrong in any way or anything Alex, but you know how people are. Assumptions and whatnot even if the devs do tell us something. Some of it might not even be set on stones. But eh, what do I know? Maybe I know a lot maybe I don't lol

For the animation twitching I can see it being tone down a bit even though allot of battle related stuff is taken out apparently. I going to speak for the larger enemy's like the one in videos making it where critical hit causes them twitch like that isn't really best solution either you have to also account for the other players as well when they do critical hits also and adding further upon that if gotten to a 16 to 24 man party's will get the same issue with that but that can change because it is alpha.

For example instead if the large monster like these are susceptible to like blunt type damage that doesn't automatically make them flinch it when you do a combo/weapon skill with blunt type effect that cause them to flinch if you hit for a critical then maybe that flinch effect last about two second longer preventing them from reacting for those seconds.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings!

In regards to all of the comments about how the enemies visibly react to player attacks, we'll be adjusting these animations around the time the Beta Test begins.

Specifically we are looking into addressing it in the following ways:

• Vary the damage animation according to the amount of damage inflicted.
• Tone down the damage animation for large monsters.

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http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/9...236ee7c0c7.gif

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Originally Posted by Gao

You'll be surprised from the info the devs gives then playing the alpha first hand lol. Reason why is this:



He's right about this.

Not saying that you're wrong in any way or anything Alex, but you know how people are. Assumptions and whatnot even if the devs do tell us something. Some of it might not even be set on stones. But eh, what do I know? Maybe I know a lot maybe I don't lol

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I think you are misconstruing my points. I was originally replaying to the complaining about things not being in alpha (combos, complex battle systems, smooth animations etc.) which we were already informed would not be in alpha. Regardless of whether or not things differ in actual alpha play, you shouldn't expect to see something you were already informed would not be there.

Since the comment about people being in alpha was a bit vague in direction, I was merely covering my own bases by pointing out nothing I said required alpha knowledge. If the statement wasn't aimed towards me, then well, at least I had covered myself. That's all.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings!

In regards to all of the comments about how the enemies visibly react to player attacks, we'll be adjusting these animations around the time the Beta Test begins.

Specifically we are looking into addressing it in the following ways:

• Vary the damage animation according to the amount of damage inflicted.
• Tone down the damage animation for large monsters.

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Nice to hear, but there is any info on why the fights looks so static? ... 5 mins of spamming ws vs tank & spank mobs..
This look pretty boring to people used to the "new" games... :(

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Originally Posted by AlexNiculaie

I think you are misconstruing my points. I was originally replaying to the complaining about things not being in alpha (combos, complex battle systems, smooth animations etc.) which we were already informed would not be in alpha. Regardless of whether or not things differ in actual alpha play, you shouldn't expect to see something you were already informed would not be there.

Since the comment about people being in alpha was a bit vague in direction, I was merely covering my own bases by pointing out nothing I said required alpha knowledge. If the statement wasn't aimed towards me, then well, at least I had covered myself. That's all.

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No, I'm agreeing with you, just that all I'm saying that you're correct on how people complain about this and that blah blah blah and complain about it, And that "You'd be surprise" statement I made wasn't towards you (Even if I did quote on you, I was using you as something to help me come up with a statement) It was just to some people who think they know what they are saying.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings!

In regards to all of the comments about how the enemies visibly react to player attacks, we'll be adjusting these animations around the time the Beta Test begins.

Specifically we are looking into addressing it in the following ways:

• Vary the damage animation according to the amount of damage inflicted.
• Tone down the damage animation for large monsters.

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Very Very nice, Camate!! Tyvm!! :)

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Originally Posted by Dragonheart

Nice to hear, but there is any info on why the fights looks so static? ... 5 mins of spamming ws vs tank & spank mobs..
This look pretty boring to people used to the "new" games... :(

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Combo system isn't in place? CNJ doesn't need to move? ARC doesn't need to move unless you're combo'ing...which isn't in place yet? Alpha? Bad players? Simplistic showcase?

thanks... I didn't mind the fliching so much... but whatever makes everyone happy ^^

Hopefully the beta shows a revamped battle system because the system in the video looks boring.

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Originally Posted by MizoreShirayuki

Hopefully the beta shows a revamped battle system because one in video looks boring.

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Hopefully the battle system in the beta changes very little, because the one in the video looks fun and entertaining.

Skill spam isn't fun. Steam rolling content and getting bored after a month means people won't stick around. Hopefully these thing's still aren't present in 2.0 from 1.0 But I'll beat my drum come beta. Alpha is bare bones as can be.

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Originally Posted by Dragonheart

Nice to hear, but there is any info on why the fights looks so static? ... 5 mins of spamming ws vs tank & spank mobs..
This look pretty boring to people used to the "new" games... :(

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I'm not trying to beat a dead horse, but this is just the alpha phase so I'm not too worried about the combat.

Take the turtle fight for instance:

1. Yes, the combat might look a tad fast for alot of us who played (only) FFXI, but as long as it is challenging and fun most of us will adjust quite easily. There are no gear swaps to worry about and I think I read that there will be no haste. We will have to wait and see what they do with "store tp".

2. The party appears to consist solely of WHM, DRG, and BRD. So at any point in the fight one of those classes is tanking and nobody is taking much damage. Personally I could easily watch a 5 min wipe-fest of this fight and be entertained but it probably wouldn't make for a very interesting video to most people, or alpha test for that matter. Most likely the mobs are weak and players are buffed pretty well and this is a battle system and ability demo, not a real fight.

If come Beta fights look like this all we will need is a post that says "fights are boring and too easy, please add challenge" with 5,000 likes and it will get fixed but I doubt that that will be necessary.

3. The mob hit animation has already been commented on by SE.

tl;dr: Comments and constructive criticism are good, but wait til beta before you freak out. Just my $.02.

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Originally Posted by MizoreShirayuki

Skill spam isn't fun.

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How do you intend to defeat the enemy without using any skills? Or would you prefer....Parley?

http://i.imgur.com/RZapy.png

even in 1.0 it was a bit of a skill spam. being forced to use skills in a specific order doesnt change that. But i hope conditional and directional skills make a return.

but notice that the 2 battles we saw seem to be normal battles vs mobs with very high HP. I assume the event and primal battles will still have several "events" inside of them. IE, break the machines to lower the shield while kiting the robot and killing the mobs

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings!

In regards to all of the comments about how the enemies visibly react to player attacks, we'll be adjusting these animations around the time the Beta Test begins.

Specifically we are looking into addressing it in the following ways:

• Vary the damage animation according to the amount of damage inflicted.
• Tone down the damage animation for large monsters.

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Whew, thank you!

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Originally Posted by Alerith

How do you intend to defeat the enemy without using any skills? Or would you prefer....Parley?

http://i.imgur.com/RZapy.png

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Oh, I want to see more of Yoshi-P pics like that!

Can't get any more spammy than 5 MNKs on Miser ..people have short memory on what they want..good thing for every complainer in here there's hundreds of excited people out there :D

As long as it doesn't become MapleStory zerging you shouldn't worry :p

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Originally Posted by Hanabira

Anyone else notice that if you die in a leve now, you cant return unless your homepoint was set there or you forfeit? thats... silly.

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Given that you initiate the leves at your own choice once entering their spawn zones (rather than starting at the aetheryte), allowing you to splice in leves between quests, this actually seems quite reasonable... If you're worried about dying, you just set your home point beforehand (or be in a party with Raise I guess).

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Originally Posted by Dragonheart

Nice to hear, but there is any info on why the fights looks so static? ... 5 mins of spamming ws vs tank & spank mobs..
This look pretty boring to people used to the "new" games... :(

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Aside from GW2, the Korean class-role cluster**** method, and the like, which games aren't tank and spank, honestly? I agree that moving out of role-stagnation usually improves the excitement of the game's fights (though there are numerous exceptions to even this), but really, just how many examples are there?

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Originally Posted by Warlock

Can't get any more spammy than 5 MNKs on Miser ..people have short memory on what they want..good thing for every complainer in here there's hundreds of excited people out there :D

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And Yoshi-P has said that monks will be designed around endlessly chaining skills. Wait for the crying to start on that one...

People have forgotten 1.0 raids and Primal Fights... .

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

People have forgotten 1.0 raids and Primal Fights... .

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About how good they were, or how bad they were? About how they were intricate and challenging, or baby's day out on an mmo?

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Originally Posted by Kallera

About how good they were, or how bad they were? About how they were intricate and challenging, or baby's day out on an mmo?

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I dunno. I can't remember.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings!

In regards to all of the comments about how the enemies visibly react to player attacks, we'll be adjusting these animations around the time the Beta Test begins.

Specifically we are looking into addressing it in the following ways:

• Vary the damage animation according to the amount of damage inflicted.
• Tone down the damage animation for large monsters.

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the team is getting so professional. really. i have to admit.

they are taking every small single detail into consideration.



it's like i could feel how hard the dev team is working. i hope, and really hope, that they are getting good feedback finally in beta or release date. because they deserved it.


my opinion to this.

i mean look at pictures like this:
http://rss.finalfantasyxiv.com/jp/bl...20121221_3.jpg
http://rss.finalfantasyxiv.com/de/20...20121214_1.jpg

okay its their job. but i think they are doing their job quiet good now.

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Originally Posted by MizoreShirayuki

Hopefully the beta shows a revamped battle system because the system in the video looks boring.

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sorry i disagree.. the battlesystem is A LOT better than 1.0. and i love it.

Is THIS (GW2) more fun to you? (besides that the environment sucks in comparison to ARR)
well at least while playing GW2 i felt aslept and bored out.. although you can cast (or shall i say SPAM?) every fuckin' spell "on the fly".

the elementalist feels so badly designed.. less damage, spam monster 0verKilL.. no then i like it much more like we can see it in this video here. but thats my matter of taste.


how people these days try to hard to make a damn "Call Of Duty" out of every MMO. it did not make GW2 or TERA better in any ways! and i always have in mind that FF originally is coming from a turn based RPG.


im so fed up with this CoD generation. ..
*boom boom* peng* peng* we need more instant SPAM BUTTONS!

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

im so fed up with this CoD generation. ..
*boom boom* peng* peng* we need more instant SPAM BUTTONS!

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I'm fed up with the pre-"CoD generation" and their "everything needs to take as long as humanly possible because it just should!" nonsense. Not a single person in the entire world complains about having a faster internet connection than they used to...so why are you doing the exact same thing with gaming?

Things progress. Deal with it. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

im so fed up with this CoD generation. ..
*boom boom* peng* peng* we need more instant SPAM BUTTONS!

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I'ma tell you somethin' that you may not know.

This isn't CoD.