Louisoix: The White

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Originally Posted by Allesasi

Anyone know where I can get a copy of this ending on a dvd on high def? I'm so sick of every video on the net has to be on youtube. Long are the days were you could just download stuff. Hit me up.

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There are several programs that let you download videos from youtube.

In Fantasy, it is those who died unjustly that should be resurrected; Fantasy allows us an existence where the real world's fears are settled, and the real world's comforts are denied - gods are real, your life matters, and it's up to the righteous to hold back unspeakable evil and inevitable destruction. Therefore, when a life is taken too early, a life is taken in vain, or a life is stolen by another, it can be good to resurrect them.

However, those who sacrifice themselves should stay gone. I'll miss Lou, but it's his sacrifice that makes him worth missing. Be honest - until today, he was just the old elezen who couldn't be bothered to remind you that you left without your goddamn inferno lamp AGAIN. He gave his life - respect his choice.

Remember when Tidus showed back up in Spira? Or when Mu La Flaga came back from the dead, if you're a Gundam fan? Was it really worth it? Hell, the only reason I give Balthier a pass is because the crafty bastard was so sure he was going to escape.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

There are several programs that let you download videos from youtube.

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It's not the same, quality wise. Youtube has high compression on videos to stream them faster to you. What he wants is the quality we saw in the opening movie of 1.0..smooth un-pixelated graphics ;)

I believe Yoshida mentioned in the live letter that finding out what exactly happened to him/bahamut will be a major storypoint in ARR. This could imply that there's more to the ending than him simply dying. Consider that all of the GC leaders and Cid were at the same location as Louisoix. Having Louisoix die from the Megaflare would then heavily imply that the GC leaders and Cid died as well? As much as Louisoix sacrificing himself makes the moment tearful and memorable (mostly due to that awesome smile scene), I think it actually makes more sense story-wise in ARR for them not to die. Although it's still possible that they died while Y'shtola, Papalymo, Yda and Thancred live on (we know Minfilia does for example, who was probably in Ul'dah). These are all characters in the main storyline before The Seventh Umbral Era and therefore are in the reworked ARR story, but Louisoix, Cid and the GC leaders were all created specifically for The Seventh Umbral Era. The only thing really going against this is that I doubt SE would kill off Cid... He and Gaius clearly have a history that needs to be resolved.

Sorry, just rambling my thoughts on the matter. I also thought Louisoix died the first time, but after thinking on it some more, it might not be the case.

I have reason to believe everyone who mattered made it out alive with Louix's teleportation spell, except Louix himself. Perhaps he didn't have enough time to cast on himself, or simply didn't have any more power left in him to do so (I'd imagine time travel uses up a great amount of power).

Maybe they pulled an Aeris-scanario where he melted into the aether and thus his spirit lives on in the world..or something o_O

He died pretty awesomely (and happy) so I'd be okay if he stayed dead, but there should definitely be ingame mentions of his heroic effort and some way to show respects.

If you listen carefully you'll notice the sound of a horse when Louisoix is smiling at the very end.

Odin has a horse...

As much as it breaks my heart to think Louisoix is dead, I can agree to an earlier post... it would seem to lessen a bit of the "heroics" if he survived. I wouldn't be mad at all if he DID survive though lol!

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Originally Posted by Wulfthryth

If you listen carefully you'll notice the sound of a horse when Louisoix is smiling at the very end.

Odin has a horse...

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Even if this pans out to be true, I don't think Odin or any other primal made it "in time" to save Louix himself..but to save the planet, sure.

No, his death has too much meaning for them to take that away. To bring him back to life or allow him to have survived this would take away from the story and the amazing sacrifice he made.

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Originally Posted by Punainen

He died pretty awesomely (and happy) so I'd be okay if he stayed dead, but there should definitely be ingame mentions of his heroic effort and some way to show respects.

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^ this. He should stay dead, and his name needs to certainly go down in lore. I would love a statue of him somewhere. perhaps a shrine to him where he made his last stand in Mor'Dhona.

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Originally Posted by Wulfthryth

If you listen carefully you'll notice the sound of a horse when Louisoix is smiling at the very end.

Odin has a horse...

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Sounds like Ifrit followed by Garuda

I agree that if he is dead, he should stay dead to not take away from his sacrifice.

But before that, Louisoix is never actually seen dying. He fades to white, which purposefully leaves it to interpretation. He didn't seem to teleport the GC leaders/Cid but I think they'll live. So before asking "should he be revived?" I think we should ask "is he actually dead?" I don't think SE will kill off the GC leaders/Cid, so either they all live or Louisoix is the only one to die. Perhaps Louisoix teleported them as well even though it isn't shown, or something very important happened after we were teleported away. A key point of the story in ARR is finding out what happened after that final fade to white, so we can't assume anything is all I'm saying...

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

However, those who sacrifice themselves should stay gone. I'll miss Lou, but it's his sacrifice that makes him worth missing. Be honest - until today, he was just the old elezen who couldn't be bothered to remind you that you left without your goddamn inferno lamp AGAIN. He gave his life - respect his choice.

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Agreed.

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Or when Mu La Flaga came back from the dead, if you're a Gundam fan?

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In all fairness, the way Mu died was stupid beyond belief and solely done for shock value and the fact SEED had not met the Gundam series' quota of likable characters that have to die.

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Originally Posted by KaMuiSouZou

I agree that if he is dead, he should stay dead to not take away from his sacrifice.

But before that, Louisoix is never actually seen dying. He fades to white, which purposefully leaves it to interpretation. He didn't seem to teleport the GC leaders/Cid but I think they'll live. So before asking "should he be revived?" I think we should ask "is he actually dead?" I don't think SE will kill off the GC leaders/Cid, so either they all live or Louisoix is the only one to die. Perhaps Louisoix teleported them as well even though it isn't shown, or something very important happened after we were teleported away. A key point of the story in ARR is finding out what happened after that final fade to white, so we can't assume anything is all I'm saying...

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Louix teleporting the "stock" party was supposed to symbolize him teleporting us adventurers out en-masse, so it's safe to assume that Cid and the GC leaders were ported out as well (we do have confirmation that the GC leaders are alive in ARR). What makes me believe Loui is dead is the fact he didn't go with them..no blue aura, no "peace bitches I'm outta here" look...instead his look is peaceful right before it fades to white.

Louix wasn't the only one to die, no. In another of the XIV trailers, it mentions countless of lives lost, which means there WAS a great deal of loss of life. Louix could also symbolize that mass of deaths, much like the stock party being teleported symbolizes our escape and survival.

I hope the Grand Company leaders are dead, they didn't fight. They were standing in the back doing nothing.

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Originally Posted by Wulfthryth

If you listen carefully you'll notice the sound of a horse when Louisoix is smiling at the very end.

Odin has a horse...

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I think that was Bahamut yelling. I could be wrong though :P

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Originally Posted by Vilhem

Louix teleporting the "stock" party was supposed to symbolize him teleporting us adventurers out en-masse, so it's safe to assume that Cid and the GC leaders were ported out as well (we do have confirmation that the GC leaders are alive in ARR). What makes me believe Loui is dead is the fact he didn't go with them..no blue aura, no "peace bitches I'm outta here" look...instead his look is peaceful right before it fades to white.

Louix wasn't the only one to die, no. In another of the XIV trailers, it mentions countless of lives lost, which means there WAS a great deal of loss of life. Louix could also symbolize that mass of deaths, much like the stock party being teleported symbolizes our escape and survival.

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I also think it's safe to assume Cid and the GC leaders are alive (didn't know it was confirmed), but I don't see anything pointing to them being teleported? It makes more sense to me that they stayed in the world and "matured" along with a realm reborn. I think when we meet all of the NPCs in ARR they will have grown and evolved over the 5 year time skip, GC leaders and Cid included.

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Originally Posted by Ashiee

Just going to say, how can you be 100% sure he is dead? It does look grim for him at that moment, but I'm assuming something happened to tame Bahamut at least a little bit because not everything is completely destroyed, and I have a hard time imagining that 5 years (I think they said 5 years) in the future, everything in the Gridania area would have been rebuilt, because as far as I can tell from the Alpha footage that SE released, Gridania looks pretty much in tact. I'm not saying Louisoix is not dead by any means, but the scene fading to white does not indicate that he is Dead either.

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This. As several people have said, it's simply presumption to assume he's dead until the events of 2.0. If he dies, he no doubt died nobly.

But all we see is a lens flare. Not a corpse. (Unless he teleported himself to plague-ridden Arthurian England... O.o )

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

So he gets to be the White Wizard, yet no one wants me to be the Red Wizard. This is bullship!

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Jinrya Geki will always be the Red Wizard!

Hmm.... in a more twisted way, after he sent all of us to wherever he sent us, he defeated Bahamut, BUT in order to do that, he absorb all its evil turning him into... BAHABMUT!!! Similar to FFX, he will also be one of the endgame of ARR :D

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Originally Posted by Sorata

Hmm.... in a more twisted way, after he sent all of us to wherever he sent us, he defeated Bahamut, BUT in order to do that, he absorb all its evil turning him into... BAHABMUT!!! Similar to FFX, he will also be one of the endgame of ARR :D

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Hah, before I even finished reading your post, I knew exactly what you were getting at.

I don't know if they'd copy FFX so closely, but I could definitely see their respective energies interacting. I mean, if Lousioux did die, wouldn't his pure energy as an archon affect Bahamut in some way?

I'm keen to believe that he was merely an avatar for The Scholar. I imagine it was merely his fleshy anchor to Eorzea that was killed, and that he'll make another appearance in some form

I think he should stay dead, it completely makes him "the" hero of FFXIV. Maybe it'd be nice if he came back as the ghost that guides you in future AF armor for upcoming jobs.

I was thinking about this last night, and the connections run a lot deeper than just your joke...

The old man wizard who led us on our journey sacrifices himself against ancient flames so that the party can "fly" away, and his staff exploding mid-battle, are both pretty solid references to Gandalf... After the reaction to the "bring him back" threads we've seen so far, I hope they reconsider it if they were aiming at a Louisoix The White situation.

At best, a few years from now, I wouldn't mind seeing him as a representative of the Twelve in a vision or something... just to let us know he lives on... but that one better be just as heartbreaking as the moment we lost him or it's a wasted effort.

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Originally Posted by neorei

I think he should say dead (RIP) and erect a Huge statue in his honor.

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If I don't see a statue or anything else honoring him, I'm holding a memorial service.

He shouldn't return. If he survives at all then that cheapens the whole ordeal entirely and makes Bahamut that much less intimidating. In a way it makes everything seem less important because "they can just come back later." It's unrealistic. (Even fantasy based stories need rules on Death and staying dead.)

I'm not sure we know exactly what or who Louisoix was. Other than just being granted powers he could have been a part of Thaliak himself in mortal form. A common theme with Gods. Kind of like Jesus, supposedly his own self yet still really God, so he can't really die. I think this could be because he seems quite powerful and while everyone else was praying to raise all the twelve's weapons/symbols he actually shot one up himself. If that's the case it could very much be a situation where we meet Louisoix/Thaliak again but under different form.

Unless SE has a very tasteful way to bring him back (a way to not ruin the end of the world trailer) then I'd say leave him dead.

However!!!!

I wouldnt be aganist seeing him in spirit - would be specially cool in a scene like in FFX farplane : http://youtu.be/iXoyDkynfgg


Also... SE please dont forget to "remember" him in ARR. (Statue/town speech/lore)

meh another one... let the man rest in peices, monument and so on and so forth and such.

is he smiling at the end?

As much as it saddens me that he would die, imagine how much more of an emotional impact it would be to go after Bahamut in 2.0's storyline knowing that you are avenging his death.

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Originally Posted by SodRansom

As much as it saddens me that he would die, imagine how much more of an emotional impact it would be to go after Bahamut in 2.0's storyline knowing that you are avenging his death.

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^^This so much, we must avenge our taper taker.

I think I shouted at some point while rewatching the cutscene "YOU SHALL NOT PASS". Too bad he didn't take Bahamut down with him. :P

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Originally Posted by Darkhaund

is he smiling at the end?

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OF course - He is bad ass.

I thought it was the 12 gods that saved us.

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Originally Posted by Akira_Tenshi

I thought it was the 12 gods that saved us.

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Louisoix casts one final spell whilst Bahamut is charging megaflare, it releases the symbol of Althyk who is the god of space and time, so perhaps one final summon from Louisoix and Althyk sent us somewhere or somewhen, still it wouldn't have happened without Louisoix.

I think he should stay dead <.<

I don't care much for Gandalf moments.

Was reading the first page and first thing click to me was, did hildabrand release the key from dalumud so he can drop back down to eorzea? Did he acciedentaly rerelease bahamut? Not sure if was said already.

The man needs to stay dead.

He went out like a goddamn hero, did everything in his power despite how hopeless it all seemed.

Bringing him back, would just cheapen it all.

May he live forever, in a bards tavern song.