Tonberry, as a playable race.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Rogedryn completion, amaljas we already see them with job classes, heavy armors would be badass . Clothes would have to be stylized for the race to fit lol.

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http://zam.zamimg.com/images/e/9/e96...229dd0d258.png

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http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...Bard_FFXIV.png

Make it work...

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Originally Posted by Kirol

Yes, Yes I do.
http://s17.postimage.org/6aefg644f/FFXIV_1342566768.jpg

They're north of Emerald Moss - all standing in a circle around a ruin of some sort.
"But they're not tonberries!" I hear you cry; Look closely. Look at the size, the shape, the stance... Go there yourself as Paladin and run through the mobs with Hallowed Ground, take a good look.

[Aliens face]
Tonberries.
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I tried, I don't have paladin level on Jinrya.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

http://www.creativeuncut.com/gallery...jaa-shaman.jpg + http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...Bard_FFXIV.png

Make it work...

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I don't think the bard af is any good in the first place lol, Rogedryn bard would look no worse then an almulja (sp)


And the bow would fit fine.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Prerequisite for asking for a new race:

Draw/photoshop/fabricate a picture (or find someone else to do it) of your proposed race doing the following:

*Jumping with a spear while in DRG AF
*Shooting a bow while in BRD AF
*Wielding a Sword and Shield while wearing Heavy Darklight gear
*Crafting while wearing a Dodore Doublet and Cobalt Mesail

If you can't present your race in each of those 4 simple circumstances (without it looking completely absurd), then you haven't put enough thought or effort into your race.



Most people don't even need to see a picture to know that a tonberry in DRG AF jumping around would look A) ridiculous, or B) nothing like a Tonberry.

Ditto with Qiqirn in Heavy Darklight.

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ok lmao first off IMO Heavy Darklight gear looks ridiculous in the first place, if you wear to wear something like that you wouldnt even be able to move. secondly though lalafell look adorable in it cause they look like action figures Tonberries wouldnt look much different from Lalafels minus their head pieces. Tonberries use a knife so they can hold a weapon and the lantern just replace a shield its not that difficult. They did have ninja Tonberry in 11 and what do we know about Ninja if your silenced you can use ninjustu, BUT WAIT if tonberries cant talk how can you silence them?! Argument about them not having the ability to speak null and void. Anything A lalafell can do and wear would be about the same for a Tonberry and tonberries will most likely be bigger than lalafell.

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Originally Posted by Matsume

Let's just take a moment to mediate on this image:

FEMALE ROEGADYN





Tonberries look awfully attractive now don't they?

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This gentleman wins.

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Originally Posted by KoujiGeki

This gentleman wins.

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To be fair, he usually does.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

I tried, I don't have paladin level on Jinrya.

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Then hire a friend to take you up there to check the ruins out yourself. Just have them invincible and running in first.
Watch out for the Marlboros!
[Aliens face]
Marlboros.
[/Aliens face]
Still, you see what I mean from the screenshot at all?
I'm tellin' ya, it's Tonberries.

How would a turban, cowl, or wood mask work on Amalj'aa?

They aren't gonna remove this stuff from the game after all..


Look, the simple fact is, any new races are going to be slight deviations on the humanoid frame. All armor in the game is a deformation of the Hyur template.

Even the tails and ears of Miqote cause lots of extra work for the devs. Quite frankly, they aren't going to introduce a race that has anything less than 5 fingers (ie. Tonberry), or a long distended face (ie. Qiqirn/ixali/Bangaa), or head appendages (ie Amalj'aa), or webbed hands (ie Sahagin), or wings (ie Gria), or anything else that will drastically impact the 6+ months it currently takes to build new gear.

What they are 99.999% likely to do is introduce a humanoid race like the Padjal (horns in the same place as Miqote ears, very little extra work), or Viera (ditto with Miqote ears, ditto with tail, small deformation on feet), or another heavy Roegadyn-ish race with a different textured skin and maybe a tail (draconic race)

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

How would a turban, cowl, or wood mask work on Amalj'aa?

They aren't gonna remove this stuff from the game after all..


Look, the simple fact is, any new races are going to be slight deviations on the humanoid frame. All armor is just distorted from the Hyur template.

Even the tails and ears of Miqote cause lots of extra work for the devs. Quite frankly, they aren't going to introduce a race that has anything less than 5 fingers (ie. Tonberry), or a long distended face (ie. Qiqirn/ixali), or head appendages (Amalj'aa), or webbed hands, or wings, or anything else that will drastically impact the 6+ months it currently takes to build new gear.

What they are 99.999% likely to do is introduce a humanoid race like the Padjal (horns in the same place as Miqote ears, very little extra work), or Viera (ditto with Miqote ears, ditto with tail, small deformation on feet), or another heavy Roegadyn-ish race with a different textured skin and maybe a tail (draconic race)

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Yea extra work but adding another hyur race for the hell of it is boring, we need something new or not at all. If they introduce a new continent then getting away with hyur is easier, but if they are just adding a race to add a race then make it fresh

well to be honest the gloves with the fingers would be hard if the race has different fingers, but their are Mitts in the game for tonberries to use.

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Originally Posted by KoujiGeki

well to be honest the gloves with the fingers would be hard if the race has different fingers, but their are Mitts in the game for tonberries to use.

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Solution = restrict new races from wearing certain gear??

I doubt that'll go over well...

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

How would a turban, cowl, or wood mask work on Amalj'aa?

They aren't gonna remove this stuff from the game after all..


Look, the simple fact is, any new races are going to be slight deviations on the humanoid frame. All armor in the game is a deformation of the Hyur template.

Even the tails and ears of Miqote cause lots of extra work for the devs. Quite frankly, they aren't going to introduce a race that has anything less than 5 fingers (ie. Tonberry), or a long distended face (ie. Qiqirn/ixali/Bangaa), or head appendages (ie Amalj'aa), or webbed hands (ie Sahagin), or wings (ie Gria), or anything else that will drastically impact the 6+ months it currently takes to build new gear.

What they are 99.999% likely to do is introduce a humanoid race like the Padjal (horns in the same place as Miqote ears, very little extra work), or Viera (ditto with Miqote ears, ditto with tail, small deformation on feet), or another heavy Roegadyn-ish race with a different textured skin and maybe a tail (draconic race)

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http://i.qkme.me/35ivqw.jpg
Okay now that I've had my fair share of laughs I should address the main topic:

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Originally Posted by Kirol

Then hire a friend to take you up there to check the ruins out yourself. Just have them invincible and running in first.
Watch out for the Marlboros!
[Aliens face]
Marlboros.
[/Aliens face]
Still, you see what I mean from the screenshot at all?
I'm tellin' ya, it's Tonberries.

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I think there is some lore floating around clarifying what those frozen resin like rocks are. IT's particular to gridania. I think the Amber Scale Rock is the one shaped like a dragon and those do indeed look like frozen Tonberries. I'll see if I can dig up the post...

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Solution = restrict new races from wearing certain gear??

I doubt that'll go over well...

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No i didnt mean that but like you said that gear is just changed from Hyur gear, it can be reskinned from mitts. And i was gonna make a joke, that this game is almost 98% a wow clone so might as well make some gear limited to races but ya that wouldnt go well.

Okay so I found:

Sil'dih

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Originally Posted by Gospel

Sil'dih is actually Raccoon City. If you don't believe me, go talk to the NPC that flags the Monk quest. He'll give you the whole back story on it.

Edit: Here's the history from Erik.

"I need hardly mention that Sil'dihn civilization is now centuries dead.

Sil'dih was plunged into chaos in the wake of King Lalawefu's demise─or the King of Springs, as he was known. Despite the success of his economic reforms, the tax increases he imposed did not sit well with his subjects. This, coupled with a prolonged sequence of untimely droughts, fomented unrest among the people and in time sparked violent unrest throughout the kingdom. Sil'dih was not alone in its want for water. Ul'dah, too, felt the effects of the droughts. The sultan at the time, Sasagan Ul Sisigan─ Ah! But perhaps you recognize the Ul name? The current sultana, Nanamo Ul Namo, represents the second Ul dynasty. She is Sasagan's distant descendant. Now...where was I? Ah, yes! Right, so, Sasagan ordered an attack on Sil'dih to claim the water resources discovered as a result of Lalawefu's flood control acts.

But the royalty and nobility of Sil'dih would not remain idle. They mobilized their nation in the face of this crisis, and the people fought with great tenacity against the Ul'dahn threat. The full strength of both nations met in battle, and the end result was an arduous protracted conflict. Though arguably more desirable than surrender, the ruling Sil'dihn elite took little pleasure in having succeeded in uniting the theretofore querulous citizenry to fight. For despite all they accomplished, every day spent waging war dragged the nation's financial affairs─which you will recall had only just been brought under control─back into the mire.

To bring an end to the long military deadlock, Sil'dih devised and set about implementing a perverse yet ambitious strategy. It sought to zombify the deceased among its army, that they might fight again. At first, it appeared to have worked. Yet at the height of hostilities, the Sil'dihns lost control over their necrotic creations. The undead turned on their masters, and before long the zombification had spread to a majority of the population. Ever knowing an opportunity when they saw one, the Ul'dahns grasped this turn of events to justify their war─now proclaiming it a crusade to send these zombies to Thal. After seeing to the extermination of all zombies outside the city, they then sealed the gates of Sil'dih, entrapping both the living and dead within.

And that, in brief, is a history of the fall of Sil'dih. I only pray that your feeble mind is able to retain it."

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If I were to take a guess... I'd assume in 2.0 Sil'Dih will be XIV's version of Eldieme Necropolis from XI.

Wishful thinking~

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Originally Posted by Mihana

There's an ancient ruins spot in the Black Shroud towards the north up past Treespeak called the Gelmorra Ruins. I posted some pictures up some time ago but it was pretty much this broken down stone circle with a large pit in the center. Several tiny amber stones similar to Amberscale rock surround the area too.

Now regarding Sil'dih I have a good idea it's probably somewhere located beneath the area now known as Halatali. Several leves in that area deal with the undead, and there's even a locked gate within Little Ala Mihgo at the farthest reaches. Under it might once have even been the pathway to the city that was barricaded/buried. However since the maps are being redone it likely doesn't exist yet.

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What is this?

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Originally Posted by Naraku_Diabolos

I don't know if this was shown before on the forums, but I came upon this when doing a Leve just now. What is it?

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...1349303107.jpg

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Originally Posted by Rannie

this is right it's part of the conj guild quests for the con story line one of the injured dragoons thought it was a dragon but it really isn't

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Go...,_Sweet_Dreams

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I believe it was involved in a couple quests since I can remember two different instances when you use The Echo around it.

The first (this is the quest I can't remember) is when you see a flashback of a knight who is unconscious and stranded. He sees the statue as a dragon and he's running away from it as it seems to be spewing fire at him. This was probably actually the elementals that reside in the area casting magic at him while generating some illusion of the stone being a real dragon.

The second is involved in the CNJ series of class quests when you learn that the conjurer, Brother Morys, is actually a wildling. He feels this calling to get back to Ishgard (where he's apparently from) but the elementals' hold on him keeps him from leaving the Twelvewood. A flashback shows him as a child huddled up near the rock while a pack of wolves descend upon him and you save him.

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The old civilization of Gelmorra and the goddess Nophica

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Forgive the Necro-bump but I figured since this was talking about Gelmorra I'd post a few pictures of the ruins themselves. Situated north of Camp Emerald Moss is the Gelmorra Ruins. I decided to head out that way myself and made it after a few deaths.

http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/3...1335588732.jpg
First we got a distant shot. There was a lot of Morbol in the area and other nasties that would quickly make a snack out of me.

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/5...1335588651.jpg
A center shot of the ruins itself. Several smaller rocks just like the one found at Amberscale Rock exist in the area. Perhaps they're connected in some way? In the center is a very large hole filled with shrubbery.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3...1335588656.jpg
Closer shot of the rocks surrounding the huge hole. They're exactly alike to the amberscale rock found near Humblehearth. Interesting, no?

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/2...1335588667.jpg
Inside the hole. It's just a bunch of shrubbery.

If you travel farther back towards the north of the ruins there's a small dead end with water. Sadly there was nothing out here besides Qiquirns, nothing of great interest at all. Anyway what do you think? Those stones could be connected to entering Gelmorra perhaps. In fact the screenshots of all the ruins we've seen in 2.0 I'm betting are in fact the lost ruins of Gelmorra likely surfaced.

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

Is it just me, or do they look like Tonberries?

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

Those rocks are sprinkled here and there all over the Shroud, for example this one:

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/u...1327454849.jpg

I kinda doubt these leftovers from old lore will make a big comeback in 2.0 though, so we probably won't find out what those ruins were supposed to be.

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Some good stuff in those posts...

Once again, Matsume comes through.
In the near aerial shot of the tonberries in the round there... I noticed they seem to be in groups, starting with one on its own, then two together, then three, then four.
I wonder if that holds any significance.

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Originally Posted by Kirol

Once again, Matsume comes through.
In the near aerial shot of the tonberries in the round there... I noticed they seem to be in groups, starting with one on its own, then two together, then three, then four.
I wonder if that holds any significance.

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I'm telling you! They are masters of the arcane arts of summoning! They hold the keys to controlling the primals! And that circle of frozen tonberries is a relic of the past unknown to modern eorzea! They tried to call forth a primal and control it eras in the past, something went wrong and backfired, crystalizing them in solidified aether! ITS ALL TOO CLEAR NOW...O___________O

Sold! Make it happen SE

You guys are starting to sound like some deranged tonberry cult... >_>
atleast when you're all tonberrys none of you will be able to speak

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

Chocobos have been controlable characters though, Final Fantasy Tatics.

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You're missing the point. It isn't about whether or not something it's controllable, it's about whether or not it's capable of speaking.

Controlling a chocobo in a single player game is irrelevant. The chocobo won't speak, and as a player in a single player game there are no other players to talk to.

This dynamic changes in an MMO. Whatever you're controlling that represents you as a player will be seen as the one talking whenever you type something in the chat log. Chocobos are pets in FFXIV, and they don't represent the player speaking.

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Originally Posted by Inaaca

You're missing the point. It isn't about whether or not something it's controllable, it's about whether or not it's capable of speaking.

Controlling a chocobo in a single player game is irrelevant. The chocobo won't speak, and as a player in a single player game there are no other players to talk to.

This dynamic changes in an MMO. Whatever you're controlling that represents you as a player will be seen as the one talking whenever you type something in the chat log. Chocobos are pets in FFXIV, and they don't represent the player speaking.

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chocobos talk >.>

Kweeeeeh!! means the treasure is pretty close.

Tonberry is something I kill not something I play as ><;

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Originally Posted by Yelta_Sumasu

Tonberry is something I kill not something I play as ><;

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Then dont play as?

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Originally Posted by KoujiGeki

Then dont play as?

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But if it is a playable race I wont be able to kill them -_-

I hate pvp is the response to the next post :p

Well it can be like Goblins in 11 there are some good ones as well as bad ones. Tonberrys were technically the remains of the old Zilart whats to say some do regain their humanity.

I think the tonberries would fit more in the role of a beastman tribe. Though I'd be fine with any playable non-human race, there needs to be a diminutive non human race, a giant one is already filled in with roegadyn.

If they were a beastman tribe in FFXIV I'd recommend Seraph for their summoning creature. they're Light elemental(at least in XI), they look like little fish monks...it's perfect.

Bumping because a lalafel can dream of one day being an awesome tonberry!

Tonberries have an air of mystery, they make you nervous for one stab of the knife you could be face down in the dirt. Tonberries would lose all of that the moment you touched them Jinrya! lol and i dont think i want to see Tonberries mounting Tonberries.....

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

a lazy tonberry in the role of a jumping and agile dragoon? well not really ^^

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It worked for Yoda, heh.

Baddie -
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9YKUUnbDV3...Pls1qh95w5.jpg

Goodie -
http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy...-mogknight.jpg

La fin.

How do we know tonberries are even bad? They could be chaotic good.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

How do we know tonberries are even bad? They could be chaotic good.

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13 consecutive games of throat stabbing, curses, summon slaying, and other tom-dickery.

Yet you have people killing neutral goblins just outside the city. And you wouldn't feel threatened when you see a bunch of people fully armed to the teeth smacking things up that have lived with you inside the cave for gods know how long?

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Well the only mystery to their nature was honestly given in FFXI, prior to that it was mostly fanfiction since most of the FF games rarely touched on any Tonberry style backstabery.

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lol fixed XD

I think something would be lost if we saw lots of tonberry going around and being sociable, wearing armor and weilding great axes with the other races. I guess I need some fan art to be convinced of the tonberry monk.

I would like to see their own version of the jobs as a beastman tribe though. Though It would probably borrow from ffxi.

i want Sylphs as a playable race =)

Sylph in WAR AF... I'd like to see how that would work...










http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/1839/betrayedp.jpg

Nope cause I would fear being 1 shotted again... Yeah I never reset my hate.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Sylph in WAR AF... I'd like to see how that would work...










http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/1839/betrayedp.jpg

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You killed the poor Lala !

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Sylph in WAR AF... I'd like to see how that would work...










http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/1839/betrayedp.jpg

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mother of god..... he has a sephiroth knife!look not a single drop of blood on the blade, just like aeris.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

What better race to be played than a tonberry?

A lot of people want to play a race that doesn't look very human. A tonberry fills this slot.

A beast race that can be every job, where as others stick to certain types.

They don't follow other beastmen.

All their weapons would just be the knife, but can equip any materia and has a good chance to have multiple melds.

Tonberries would look either adoreble/badass in any gear.

They would have the most unique hair selection ranging from "Bald to Bald"

Limit Break would be "Doink"

15 minute ability "Everyones Grudge" - The more a teammate is killed by the same mob, the stronger it becomes.

Lantern Flash as a paladin should have a larger/longer range than any other race.

Better tails than Miqo'tes.

Tonberries are one of THE most iconic races of Final Fantasy

What more proof of the next playable race do you need than a tonberry?

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Based off your sig, OP, and other things, I'd have to assume that you love the Tonberry. :p

No.

I want to get throat stabbed and E.Grudge'd.