May we have quick clarification regarding the White Ravens (earrings)?

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Originally Posted by Shougun

I believe you are trying to insult me here...

Anyway I said Nael may come back because of the incredible similarities between another iconic revive"r" - voiding that he still may come back because SE loves reviving things.

The white ravens require a different set of logic because Nael may not come back in a human state and is a farther jump of logic. I specifically mentioned that as well.

So if you are poking at me, at least order my logic in the same whys instead of contriving it.

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Not insulting you, more like poking fun at your logic. Granted, you do mention it to be less likely but then you go on to draw parallels to FF7 and say it can happen. I think there is zero chance white ravens will reappear in 2.0 no matter how much Nael resembles Sephiroth.

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Originally Posted by Baxter

Not insulting you, more like poking fun at your logic. Granted, you do mention it to be less likely but then you go on to draw parallels to FF7 and say it can happen. I think there is zero chance white ravens will reappear in 2.0 no matter how much Nael resembles Sephiroth.

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Sorry if the parallels seemed to be for White Ravens - I was making them to show the consistency and likely hood of continued consistency that Nael will be returning.

I dont have much for the white ravens other then what Dzian said, and that they havent been confirmed to be gone.

(Just to remind reps reading this - OP wants a factual response not speculation so.. while I bump please ask Yoshi lol)

What is taking the community team so long? I mean, is there some terrible, horrible reason that's preventing them from just outright saying yes or no as to whether or not they'll be obtainable in ARR?!


The sooner we find out, the sooner my LS and I can stop stressing so much and decide what to do about it as a group.

I dunno if they will or not but from everything the devs had said and the patch notes etc. It all suggests they will be obtainable in 2.0. The link I posted earlier states items not explicitly listed will not be changed. and the earrings aren't listed. Also as a few people have mentioned. "The Raven, Nevermore" is not a part of the umbral storyline which was even said in the patch notes. (seemingly the same situation as primals and primal weapons)

I may be wrong but rather than just blatently say yes or no I have at least offered some support for my answer and I suppose its relative. for example people believed the imperial dalmaticas from castrum novum would be gone as has ties to the umbral plot etc and devs confirmed those items will stay as will primal weapons and other such stuff. either way at least I made the effort to support my answer rather than just lol.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Ask SE, that is what they ARE doing for primals already.

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Actually, they said the opposite. Weapons will be there, but not in the way you obtain them currently.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Howdy!

Except for a few specific items, the items that you can obtain in the current version of the game will be available in A Realm Reborn. Just like primal weapons, have no fear if you haven’t snagged that sweet Darklight armor yet! There will be a chance in A Realm Reborn to obtain it. :)

However, since the game is changing quite drastically, the methods for obtaining these items may not be exactly the same as they are now.

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Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang

Actually, they said the opposite. Weapons will be there, but not in the way you obtain them currently.

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Thanks for pointing that out - I meant ARE doing for primals "weapons'".

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Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang

Actually, they said the opposite. Weapons will be there, but not in the way you obtain them currently.

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Welp, all we need is Camate to say, whether or not the White Ravens will be available in 2.0.

Being able to get White Ravens after the Dalamud storyline would be really stupid. Nael was created specifically for this storyline (where he first showed up as a GM-NPC) and so anything involving him will disappear along with that storyline. Hoping otherwise is kind of dumb. The earring itself will probably not even be that good in 2.0 so it's basically just a trophy for people who are able to beat him with 1.0's battle system.

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Originally Posted by NefGP

What is taking the community team so long? I mean, is there some terrible, horrible reason that's preventing them from just outright saying yes or no as to whether or not they'll be obtainable in ARR?!


The sooner we find out, the sooner my LS and I can stop stressing so much and decide what to do about it as a group.

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It's generally agreed that White Ravens won't be obtainable in 2.0, and for good reason, they probably think they already made that clear but I guess you guys will find out before Nov 1st.. maybe

Either way, do what might be removed in 1.0 rather than what you know won't be

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Originally Posted by Ricky

It's generally agreed that White Ravens won't be obtainable in 2.0, and for good reason, they probably think they already made that clear but I guess you guys will find out before Nov 1st.. maybe

Either way, do what might be removed in 1.0 rather than what you know won't be

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lies lol - we are left with a very vague "probably"

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Originally Posted by Shougun

lies lol - we are left with a very vague "probably"

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Exactly the issue here.

you guys are aware that White Ravens are categorized as Seasonal Event items, yeah? (via Armoire)

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Originally Posted by fusional

you guys are aware that White Ravens are categorized as Seasonal Event items, yeah? (via Armoire)

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No, I don't have them to store! :D

alright, well

http://i.imgur.com/TLKlv.jpg

while it doesn't rule out the (very slight) possibility that they'd make a return in ARR, it would be silly to classify something as a seasonal event item only to just make it available permanently afterward- even if they did change how you get them.

it just seems to me like a lot of people are just mulling around wasting time waiting for a dev response to something that already seems pretty clear to everyone else, even if just through simply assuming a worst-case scenario.

it should be obvious enough that there's a 99% chance the earrings won't be coming back. why take that gamble?

I have the earring, and made an effort to get it assuming the content won't be in 2.0

However, how hard is it for a rep to come in here and give us one of the following answers....

-Yes it will be in 2.0

-No it will not be in 2.0

-Sorry, we do not know the answer to this question at this time

Assume they won't be in 2.0, everyone i know in game has operated under the same assumption. A lot of us here are warning you guys, get them now.

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Originally Posted by fusional

alright, well

http://i.imgur.com/TLKlv.jpg

while it doesn't rule out the (very slight) possibility that they'd make a return in ARR, it would be silly to classify something as a seasonal event item only to just make it available permanently afterward- even if they did change how you get them.

it just seems to me like a lot of people are just mulling around wasting time waiting for a dev response to something that already seems pretty clear to everyone else, even if just through simply assuming a worst-case scenario.

it should be obvious enough that there's a 99% chance the earrings won't be coming back. why take that gamble?

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wow, that pretty much settles it

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Originally Posted by fusional

you guys are aware that White Ravens are categorized as Seasonal Event items, yeah? (via Armoire)

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No I didnt - though that is a retarded classification of an item... "seasonal event" for this? wtf? lol

That is telling though - but a rep response would still be helpful.

Also most of my LS is dead or play when I work so doing Raven would only happen if they let me go in solo and QQ lol.

Instead of arguing whether it will or won't be in 2.0, why not just assume it won't be and try to find a group of people who can at least tie their shoes and go in and clear it.

And trust me, I understand how hard it is to find 7 people willing to do this battle, but still...

And no, I don't have my earrings yet, and yes, I should start working on getting enough of my friends together to go in and get this done.

Truly, I haven't made the effort to get a team together for this. It took a party of the best-geared, most seasoned veterans I know a couple of weeks and a fair amount of swearing to beat this fight.

However, I never expected the earrings would be available again through conventional means, so I've dealt with the fact these shinies won't be hanging up in my Armoire until the time comes when I win a Rank 1 prize at the Golden Saucer in version 2.2.

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Originally Posted by Brannigan

Being able to get White Ravens after the Dalamud storyline would be really stupid. Nael was created specifically for this storyline (where he first showed up as a GM-NPC) and so anything involving him will disappear along with that storyline. Hoping otherwise is kind of dumb. The earring itself will probably not even be that good in 2.0 so it's basically just a trophy for people who are able to beat him with 1.0's battle system.

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I really don't see how it's any different from the story rewards in FFXI (CoP/ToAU Rings, Divine Might Earring, WotG Earring, etc.) other than they chose to move the reward to an additional sidequest similar to DM, only much much harder (DM was never all that hard just needed people to be competent - Darnus is a fair bit more extreme than that).

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Originally Posted by NefGP

I really don't see how it's any different from the story rewards in FFXI (CoP/ToAU Rings, Divine Might Earring, WotG Earring, etc.) other than they chose to move the reward to an additional sidequest similar to DM, only much much harder (DM was never all that hard just needed people to be competent - Darnus is a fair bit more extreme than that).

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They are permanently shutting down 1.0. ARR is different enough to be called a new game. 7th Umbral Era stuff has always been represented as like "one time only better subscribe and catch it now before it's gone!" type stuff. A couple of drops from Castrum Novum being available in ARR doesn't suddenly mean that every item associated with this stuff is up for grabs. Dalamud Horn and the Crystal Bearer title are quest rewards too (technically cheevs I guess, but they're cheevs from quests), do you think they'll be in ARR?

Sorry for the delay while we got confirmation for you all -- the White Ravens will not be obtainable in A Realm Reborn.

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Originally Posted by fusional

alright, well

http://i.imgur.com/TLKlv.jpg

while it doesn't rule out the (very slight) possibility that they'd make a return in ARR, it would be silly to classify something as a seasonal event item only to just make it available permanently afterward- even if they did change how you get them.

it just seems to me like a lot of people are just mulling around wasting time waiting for a dev response to something that already seems pretty clear to everyone else, even if just through simply assuming a worst-case scenario.

it should be obvious enough that there's a 99% chance the earrings won't be coming back. why take that gamble?

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Oh I didn't know about them being classed as that in the Armoire. Appreciate the info.

"Items obtained through seasonal events" would count for that then.

Thankfully looks like I'll be able to get into runs tomorrow!

And there you go.

Holy crap, ninja poster Bayohne! One minute before my last post!

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Sorry for the delay while we got confirmation for you all -- the White Ravens will not be obtainable in A Realm Reborn.

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Thanks for the reply!

and there you have it.

Don't know how this was even a question, especially with the screenshots of someone putting them in their armoire under the Seasonal Item section. Pretty sure Hard Darnus was supposed to be a challenge for the current players of 1.0, so having the fight (and any reward from it) in 2.0 would kind of contradict that anyways. I'm glad that they won't be in 2.0, "for sure" lol...

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Originally Posted by Siegtaru

Don't know how this was even a question, especially with the screenshots of someone putting them in their armoire under the Seasonal Item section. Pretty sure Hard Darnus was supposed to be a challenge for the current players of 1.0, so having the fight (and any reward from it) in 2.0 would kind of contradict that anyways. I'm glad that they won't be in 2.0, "for sure" lol...

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There has never been any official word that they wouldn't be in 2.0 except what was just posted. It was a simple question that only needed a simple answer. I'm not sure how someone wanting to know whether they were in 2.0 or not really matters to people like you. It doesn't effect you or anyone else who speculated that it wouldn't be in 2.0 at all yet you guys go out of your way to post like you are offended that anyone would even ask a question like this.

Makes me laugh though so I guess I'm kinda glad some of you go out of your way to be so butt hurt by people wanting an official word on it rather then random speculation. So please do continue.

if anything the 'random speculation' were the attempts to justify why they 'might be in 2.0' in spite of how obviously slim the chances were

so

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Originally Posted by fusional

if anything the 'random speculation' were the attempts to justify why they 'might be in 2.0' in spite of how obviously slim the chances were

so

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Random speculation = random speculation no matter how you want to "justify" it

so

You know how many people speculated that primal weapons wouldn't be in 2.0 when most signs showed how "obviously slim the chances were" just to have a community rep say they would still be in 2.0?

so

stop speculating.

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Originally Posted by Eliseus

Random speculation = random speculation no matter how you want to "justify" it

so

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Nothing was random about it.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Nothing was random about it.

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Random was intended as random people that don't know what they are saying.

It was also towards the people that tried going out of their way to tell people how dumb the pretty much are for wanting to know if they were going to still be obtainable in 2.0.

I do know I'm glad to know now, I'll probably start working on them.

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Originally Posted by Eliseus

Random was intended as random people that don't know what they are saying

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People knew what they were saying, it was speculation.

The problem is that some people claim speculation as fact, that is the only problem about this.

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Originally Posted by Eliseus

You know how many people speculated that primal weapons wouldn't be in 2.0 when

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no, but i sure know equivocating when i see it

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Originally Posted by fusional

no, but i sure know equivocating when i see it

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cool?

/10char

:<

/10chARR

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Sorry for the delay while we got confirmation for you all -- the White Ravens will not be obtainable in A Realm Reborn.

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That's perfectly fine, we understand you guys are busy - it can just get a little frustrating at times ^^;

Thank you for the clarification. Now to continue smashing my head against the wall as I try to win this damned fight.

Flicking through the last posts i wasn't aware they were considered "seasonal" but it seems a lot of people weren't.

but we have clarification so at least people have there answer :)