I only wish...

No one said it makes game 'easy' it just is that some people would rather not have it.
Actually in this current state, you do not need an icon, it is SUPER obvious what mobs attack you.
if you see a giant scorpion... you can assume its aggro.

Some mobs that attack you don't have the icon for some reason...
Everyone knows that mobs have a aggro radius, that is a simple logical conclusion, without a restricted radius they would attack you from miles away. Also the range may get smaller if the level difference gets greater.

You are the close minded one, you go against ideas and wishes of others without even having played the game.

How is having an icon in the name going to fix that. Also, maybe you should avoid rocky terrain.

correct... if you can not see the mob at all it would mean that the name is covered, if the name is covered the icon is covered as well.
But KILTA never played FFXIV so she might have a completely different idea about the icon in her imagination, no point arguing with her.

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Cough* Demon souls *Cough*. That game was a freaking HIT, and it digested you.

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Demon's souls uses a lot of psychology to make the game seem more difficult than it actually is, which isnt a bad thing. But I mean there isnt a correlation between difficulty curve and sales, its that demon's souls is a well made thought out game. It certainly didnt get good sales off of its marketing campaign.

while demon's souls really brought the hammer down on players it did realize that it had to be forgiving at times. Giving you an opportunity to get all your lost souls back, letting you work as a blue phantom to come back to life, summoning blue phantoms to help you through stages, the ability to learn from other people's mistakes, and get hints from other players. Everything was carefully weighed and designed that while difficult even a moderate or casual could get into it. Really the death penalty of losing all your souls was designed like that so people wouldnt just dump all of their souls into one stat and would instead spend them at every opportunity they got.

not likely, as I hide behind rocks.

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So far none of the "hard cores" are meeting 1/2 way as they wanbt to insult the target playbase for ffxiv.

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What aren't they attempting to meet halfway on?

if you recall ffxi... not all aggro was obvious.
and tur point being. If yiu don't see a mob you can't avoid the mob. If you can'y avoid the mob you will die. That death was a waste of time.

Sorry i hope to guys truely do understand the difference between a pointless time sink and challenge. Traveling shouldn't be "HARD".

you guys forget games are meant to be fun not work. Stop trying to force unnessisary "work" on ppl who just wanna have fun.

honestly if you don't like how "easy mode" you thinking the game is. Go play something ekse if all you gonna do is needlessly insult the target audience. Needlessly insult ppl is wicked uncalled for. And I am not a blonde or am a person who wants easy mode games. I just saw ffxi from both a hard core and casual eyes. And some if the "hard core" aspects was needless.

To the op you can keep your sense of adventure since the aggro icon will be able to toggled off/on. I can understand exactly how you feel but for this game to succeed it needs to to give direction to help casuals(which will make up most of the playerbase). However for the Hardcore players SE will need to have party content the main source of xp with challenging content.

SE themselves have a great challenge trying to balance XIV for the Hardcores and Casuals. There will need to be some middle ground for this to happen. Both sides will have to accept there will be things they don't like about some of SE decisions.

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because the one I got that was cheap didn't work with it. The game wireless adptor did work though and had it for most of my playtime.
And ti kaeden sorry but no one jhas any justified reason to be made at other ppl. Over a video games "difficaulty" you make the game as easy or has hard as you want it to be. You can easily turn off names to have your challenge.

So far none of the "hard cores" are meeting 1/2 way as they wanbt to insult the target playbase for ffxiv.

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so at the end it did not cost you a lot it just because did not work with it i don't know why you go on saying wireless when it called network last time i check you could not make ps2 wireless can you?

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correct... if you can not see the mob at all it would mean that the name is covered, if the name is covered the icon is covered as well.
But KILTA never played FFXIV so she might have a completely different idea about the icon in her imagination, no point arguing with her.

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i saw the icon for myself. Its not bad. like i asked since everyone is avoided it.

does it tell you how to avoid the mob? or the aggro radias?
if the answer is no to both ecplain to me how an aggro icon is easy mode?
so i know what can kill me. Just makes it a bit quicker to learn how to avoid them. I watched the vid and honestly I tuned out the Icon. You guys do know you can simple ignore it.

I do it on fable 3 with the light trail. I think you guys are just beuing drama queens and whining for sake of whining.

as I said games are as easy or as hard as you make them. This goes for all games.

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so at the end it did not cost you a lot it just because did not work with it i don't know why you go on saying wireless when it called network last time i check you could not make ps2 wireless can you?

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they had a wireless ps2/xbox game adptor. Meaning it worked with my wireless router. I had to buy a ps2 buy ffxi buy a wireless router and the adptor. it was 300+ dollors. Just so I can play for more then 2 hrs a day. Cuz the game got too time consuming to enjoy. And I didn't want to quit the game cuz I had just met my b/f : / and we played together.

Kilta, you didn't answer my question:

What aren't the "hardcores" willing to meet halfway on?

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To the op you can keep your sense of adventure since the aggro icon will be able to toggled off/on. I can understand exactly how you feel but for this game to succeed it needs to to give direction to help casuals(which will make up most of the playerbase). However for the Hardcore players SE will need to have party content the main source of xp with challenging content.

SE themselves have a great challenge trying to balance XIV for the Hardcores and Casuals. There will need to be some middle ground for this to happen. Both sides will have to accept there will be things they don't like about some of SE decisions.

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I thought about that as well, (toggling it off and on) It's kinda pointless because everyone, or most people will have it on. Knowing that, it puts me off in a bad place. I will look like the idiot type of thing. When I agrro everything, or do this and that. It doesnt help the people who want it off. Because then the people who have it on will be like you nooob(hate that word). But I agree with most of what you said though. They do need to find something for the hardcore players, something challenging. Hopefully that will be the company system, they have yet to announce in full detail.

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Kilta, you didn't answer my question:

What aren't the "hardcores" willing to meet halfway on?

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the game. More spesific traveling. aka the aggro icon. I like it fir the reason it was out in for.

And honestlym I hope all of you screaming aggro icon is easy mode didn'r get PL'd in ffxi (if you played) or did smn burn parties those are infact easy modes. but also a players choice.

so now that I replied you on that. Do explain and reply how an icon just to say something aggro is easy mode? Does it show you how it aggros? the distance? or just stating the obviouse.


Also do you want to sit and point out to an mmo newbie what aggros?

PPL do not dieing a needless death. It wastes time which makes them feel it wastes money.

content in a game should be challenging not walking from point a to point b.

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the game. More spesific traveling. aka the aggro icon. I like it fir the reason it was out in for.

And honestlym I hope all of you screaming aggro icon is easy mode didn'r get PL'd in ffxi (if you played) or did smn burn parties those are infact easy modes. but also a players choice.

so now that I replied you on that. Do explain and reply how an icon just to say something aggro is easy mode? Does it show you how it aggros? the distance? or just stating the obviouse.


Also do you want to sit and point out to an mmo newbie what aggros?

PPL do not dieing a needless death. It wastes time which makes them feel it wastes money.

content in a game should be challenging not walking from point a to point b.

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Umm... the hardcores did meet halfway on this issue. We compromised by saying we would be fine if it was toggleable. And guess what? The developers are making it a toggle.

So I fail to see the problem.

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Umm... the hardcores did meet halfway on this issue. We compromised by saying we would be fine if it was toggleable. And guess what? The developers are making it a toggle.

So I fail to see the problem.

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ok so why cry about it?

Also meeting 1/2 ways means not insulting a player base who is not doing anything to you.

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ok so why cry about it?

Also meeting 1/2 ways means not insulting a player base who is not doing anything to you.

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Who's crying about it? I've only seen one person complain about making a Toggle for it.

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they had a wireless ps2/xbox game adptor. Meaning it worked with my wireless router. I had to buy a ps2 buy ffxi buy a wireless router and the adptor. it was 300+ dollors. Just so I can play for more then 2 hrs a day. Cuz the game got too time consuming to enjoy. And I didn't want to quit the game cuz I had just met my b/f : / and we played together.

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Oh i see at the end the reason why it cost so much because you want it wireless i had mine next to my router so i did not need to waste that much

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I thought about that as well, (toggling it off and on) It's kinda pointless because everyone, or most people will have it on. Knowing that, it puts me off in a bad place. I will look like the idiot type of thing. When I agrro everything, or do this and that. It doesnt help the people who want it off. Because then the people who have it on will be like you nooob(hate that word). But I agree with most of what you said though. They do need to find something for the hardcore players, something challenging. Hopefully that will be the company system, they have yet to announce in full detail.

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I don't know if "most" players will be using it.. I've seen quite a few people against the idea. Personally, I won't be bothered if other people use it. If they want an easy button they can have it. I don't care what I look like to other people if I get attacked by something, my mistake, and I'll learn from it and become better at avoiding things. :3 Do what's right for you and forget about what other people are doing. People who need those kinds of bright red warning signs may just be the type to not pay much attention no matter what. The type to go afk on auto-run or something. The type to drive through a stop-sign.
Don't worry about making mistakes, learn from them, ignore idiots, and move on. /cheer!

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I don't know if "most" players will be using it.. I've seen quite a few people against the idea. Personally, I won't be bothered if other people use it. If they want an easy button they can have it. I don't care what I look like to other people if I get attacked by something, my mistake, and I'll learn from it and become better at avoiding things. :3 Do what's right for you and forget about what other people are doing. People who need those kinds of bright red warning signs may just be the type to not pay much attention no matter what. The type to go afk on auto-run or something. The type to drive through a stop-sign.
Don't worry about making mistakes, learn from them, ignore idiots, and move on. /cheer!

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That not the point

Let's say big % of players use it you doing a party you get attack and get everyone kicked. Party "wtf bro you dumb@#! why did you go there when you know they attacked" You "i have my it off" Party "noob, omg what a noob, Fail, and so on. the point is just becuase you not using it don't mean others would and they be calling you noobs and you wont get more invite from them and ppl would start telling others and blah blah blah.

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That not the point

Let's say big % of players use it you doing a party you get attack and get everyone kicked. Party "wtf bro you dumb@#! why did you go there when you know they attacked" You "i have my it off" Party "noob, omg what a noob, Fail, and so on. the point is just becuase you not using it don't mean others would and they be calling you noobs and you wont get more invite from them and ppl would start telling others and blah blah blah.

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The point was cheering him up. I was trying to be encouraging.

Either way, I won't be worried about it. Everyone makes mistakes.
I trust the people who learn to watch their own backs more than the people who have things handed to them and enjoy having their hand held. In my experience they're much more reliable.

and now does an aggro icon easy mode? are you guys that severaly paranoid by stuff that makes thing less time consuming?
icon or not yiu still gotta learn how to walk/run arount the stupid crap mobs. And chances are you follow the leader, who chances are will have it on. Which infact makes stuff lkess a hassle when going from a to b.

Do you guys no remember the run from dunes to qufim and your party dispans cuz of the long walk or ppl died too much?

Its not giving you any more detail then actually looking at the mob. Realy you guys are not all that and a bag of chips. Stop acting so condencending.

Really the icon is not making the game easier. If it did, it would give you aggro data like how it aggros. And how large the radias is.
It don't so why even make rude comments about it.

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and now does an aggro icon easy mode? are you guys that severaly paranoid by stuff that makes thing less time consuming?
icon or not yiu still gotta learn how to walk/run arount the stupid crap mobs. And chances are you follow the leader, who chances are will have it on. Which infact makes stuff lkess a hassle when going from a to b.

Do you guys no remember the run from dunes to qufim and your party dispans cuz of the long walk or ppl died too much?

Its not giving you any more detail then actually looking at the mob. Realy you guys are not all that and a bag of chips. Stop acting so condencending.

Really the icon is not making the game easier. If it did, it would give you aggro data like how it aggros. And how large the radias is.
It don't so why even make rude comments about it.

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Yes i remember then i learn about outpost o.o

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Yes i remember then i learn about outpost o.o

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you do know that you couldn't always save hp at outposts? right?
1 cost money if your city don't run that location. 200+ gil and based on rank.
2 beatmen that might own the location = no hp set.

Sorry but shouldn't rely on that as an excuse for your tude.
You guys know i'm right though, the icon is just a fail safe. you still gotta walk around the stuff w/o aggroing them And the icon don't prevent aggro.

so again how is the icon hand holding or easy mode. When it just states the obvious.

You guys really need to learn the difference between a time wasting hassles and a challenge. I nor should anyone be kicked where it counts ever 20 secs of gameplay.

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You guys know i'm right though, the icon is just a fail safe. you still gotta walk around the stuff w/o aggroing them And the icon don't prevent aggro.

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No, the icon really is a poor implementation of a good idea. You simply cannot miss it. Not even if you try.

I'll be leaving mine on, though, since a more subtle option isn't an option, and I don't feel the need to break my arm patting myself on the back for being leet enough to remember that pieste aggro and coblyns don't.

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No, the icon really is a poor implementation of a good idea. You simply cannot miss it. Not even if you try.

I'll be leaving mine on, though, since a more subtle option isn't an option, and I don't feel the need to break my arm patting myself on the back for being leet enough to remember that pieste aggro and coblyns don't.

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>.> I tuned it out fine in the youtube vid. Just Like i tune out the light psth in fable 2 and 3. And I even put it on the highest setting.

You guys are simple not used to it, or so pardon the term "butthurt" its there, its sticking out like a sotre thumb. I don't csre either way for it and I barely notice it. Learn not to care about stuff to much and they become less noticable. If you are paranoided about it that is what you will always see.

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you do know that you couldn't always save hp at outposts? right?
1 cost money if your city don't run that location. 200+ gil and based on rank.
2 beatmen that might own the location = no hp set.

Sorry but shouldn't rely on that as an excuse for your tude.
You guys know i'm right though, the icon is just a fail safe. you still gotta walk around the stuff w/o aggroing them And the icon don't prevent aggro.

so again how is the icon hand holding or easy mode. When it just states the obvious.

You guys really need to learn the difference between a time wasting hassles and a challenge. I nor should anyone be kicked where it counts ever 20 secs of gameplay.

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Ya that was the fun part and the gil part it was a way for the Gil to be reused for others stuff. Onces you reach a level in the game everything else become easy. Ones you get chocobo there the game is much easy onces you reach your first 75 you get your next one half or more less time. I don't mind whatever they do too ffxiv am still going to play it.

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>.> I tuned it out fine in the youtube vid. Just Like i tune out the light psth in fable 2 and 3. And I even put it on the highest setting.

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Serious question. Do you think your much-advertised ADD had anything to do with this?

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Also do you want to sit and point out to an mmo newbie what aggros? .

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When I played FFXI I had people pointing out to me what agro'ed and to what they agro'ed to (Sight, sound, HP, casting). I wasn't afraid to ask if I didn't know. And half the time I would completely forget what became agressive to what... which really made for a fun night in KRT...

But my point is, because I had this in FFXi, I would take my time and warn people about what agro'ed and to what. It's kinda what players should do... help each other...

Do you guys also wipe your memory after wiping on a certain mob because it kicked your ass while you were walking around? I mean, if you pass a certain mob once you already know if it is aggressive or not. So the second time you see the same mob you will think twice before getting close.

The only thing the aggressive icon does is to take away that first wipe moment. I really do not understand how emotional people get over simple things like auto attack and the aggressive icon, seriously. You guys must have perfect lives to have to worry about such simple things.

I'm also not a big fan of this aggro icon but the function isn't what I bugs me the most, it's how it's presented. So here's what I thought:

Either this
or this

I certainly don't want to see a big icon on every aggroing mob I see.

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I'm also not a big fan of this aggro icon but the function isn't what I bugs me the most, it's how it's presented. So here's what I thought:

Either this
or this

I certainly don't want to see a big icon on every aggroing mob I see.

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I'm surprised they didn't do it like that in the first place. So it's not right in your face, but you can check it by targeting. I would prefer that.

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I don't want this game like ffxi or wow. I want it to be its own mmo. I don't like how the dev team is catering to us like little kids. If enough of us want something, they will look in on how to implement it. I want it to be their game, not ours. I want them to take a chance at something. Maybe through in some ideas from... lets say.. another mmo, like mabinogi? I don't know about you guys, but I lost the sense of adventure when they added the monster aggro tag. They are making this game to easy, I for one want to be thrown into a game, get chewed up and spit out again. The only mmos that I've played that gave hardly any direction was Mabinogi and FFXI. I just like the sense of feeling lost in a different world. Why go for tutorials? Why show us where everything is? Why not let us figure that stuff out and have fun with it. But meh, I'm just ranting.

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What you have described is a game called DarkFall. A game made by gamers for gamers.

But marketing wise, it isn't going to garner the same sales and subscriptions as a developer targeting the wider audience.

SE took a chance and released the game as it was. And now they take a new chance to regain their time in the spotlight in the market.

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What you have described is a game called DarkFall. A game made by gamers for gamers.

But marketing wise, it isn't going to garner the same sales and subscriptions as a developer targeting the wider audience.

SE took a chance and released the game as it was. And now they take a new chance to regain their time in the spotlight in the market.

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When did I say anything about the gamers making the game, I hate how anything we cry about, they will put in. I don't want that, I want the dev. team to make the game how they think it should be. I mean come on its square, they know what we like. But when you get everyone saying I WANT THIS, I WANT THIS, I WANT THIS. It will turn into a very bad game. 100 great ideas mixed into one is worse then the worst idea you can come up with. Just doesn't work.