NO!!!! I do NOT want weaponskills for mages in 2.0! I absolutely do not like how they are changing weaponskills and combos AT ALL! Please do not ruin the non melee jobs with weaponskills! It'll kill and break the game for me. (I'm actually secretly hoping people in alpha and beta share this same concern that I do and SE decides to keep it similar to how it is now.)
Weapon skills for mages!
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09-09-2012, 10:55 AMVoltaAsura
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09-09-2012, 10:57 AMRickyNot really, in 2.0 you start with full TP, you just regen it, so its another resource at a mages disposal and something to do while out of MPQuote:
Originally Posted by Keyln
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09-09-2012, 10:59 AMRokienthing is, I can melee with those non melee jobs..... I know, but you can melee, so saying they are not melee is a little silly. Lets talk about ranger then, they shouldn't get any ws, because they don't melee..... Let's also not forget how much they wanted to be able to MELEE with the book*cough* summoner *cough*.Quote:
Originally Posted by VoltaAsura
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09-09-2012, 11:15 AMKoujiGeki
This is one of Rokiens good post. Personally i wouldnt mind Ws if they drain MP like i said from the mobs, or like someone else said had a Debuff effect. Hell they could throw minor Dot On them. And to the people say up personal we you kinda are gonna be up and personal while soloing which the ws would be nice.
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09-09-2012, 12:16 PMJanine_BennettI actually liked somewhat the ones they already had in game. I don't really miss them, but as far as mage's go, if they implemented something that was useful I would be all for it. I never have my weapon drawn though, so it kinda defeats the purpose. Those extra few seconds of lost mp regen can make all the difference in a fight, especially if its for a waste of a weapon skill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rokien
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09-09-2012, 01:16 PMKoujiGeki
well the new gameplay video they showed the whm had her weapon out casting which might mean you might gain mp with your weapon out now. or they are just trolling us.
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09-09-2012, 01:19 PMAlhanelemHow would it ruin anything? Did weaponskills ruin mages in FFXI? no, they didn't. Most of them weren't very useful, but there were some that had situational benefits. Are you afraid that mages won't cast spells anymore or something? Magic would always be their main focus. But it's silly to even have a TP bar at all if it can never be used for anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by VoltaAsura
Stop being so goddanged resistant to change. The game is going to transform radically for 2.0- it's not just a bugfix update. Accept it or move on.
If you're soloing, odds are you're taking hits, which means your MP regen is already garbage. Mage weaponskills would most likely do things like recover MP anyway, so this wouldn't be a problem. They could always change it so active mode doesn't hinder MP recovery.Quote:
I actually liked somewhat the ones they already had in game. I don't really miss them, but as far as mage's go, if they implemented something that was useful I would be all for it. I never have my weapon drawn though, so it kinda defeats the purpose. Those extra few seconds of lost mp regen can make all the difference in a fight, especially if its for a waste of a weapon skill.
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09-09-2012, 01:43 PMNorack
I remember the most bad ass WHM i ever had in a FFXI party was when he fought with a kraken club and just mass spammed that MP or HP healing WS forget what it was if it was HP or MP. Either way that was the best party i was ever in XD.
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09-09-2012, 02:44 PMrockman0
Oh Moses, smell the roses...
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09-09-2012, 02:59 PMVenat
Quelling Strike -with Magical attack would give blackmage TP. Once Blackmage reaches lets say 2000TP it can use a TP cost ability to boost there regan up to 200% speed while standing still. So from 0MP to 3000mp it takes about 2mins and with that ability it take about 1min.
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09-09-2012, 03:05 PMPunainen
I don't want it to be pointless, but I would like to have a use for TP as a mage.
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09-09-2012, 03:39 PMNefGP
I don't honestly see the point in giving mages weaponskills (save for jobs like RDM who are actually setup for melee combat) outside of soloing, and even then, given that you typically want to keep your distance from enemies.
The way I see it, if the WHM is forced to go and whack stuff, you're probably up the creek without a paddle. It doesn't really fit from a flavor standpoint either - your'e supposed to be a class/job that has spent all their time training in magic - your weapons are designed for enhancing your abilities, not martial warfare - that's why we have DoW.
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09-09-2012, 04:07 PMVoltaAsuraI think I was just raging after seeing the new battle system they plan on implementing and how they are changing weaponskills and combos. I also don't like that TP regenerates like MP and that you can do a weaponskill right off that bat, at start of a fight. To me, it cheapens the feel of the weaponskill. Plus didn't they already completely revamp the battle system? I mean like actions, combos, weaponskills, and many other aspects....ect BR, enimity..Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
As far as being resistant to change is concerned, I've played beta, played since around launch, and have played almost everday since then. (besides when servers went down for tsunami =( )I've been one of those rere players that thoroughly enjoyed the game, even given the continuous amount of changes per patch, and have only ever had small gripes about some changes, but I got used to them eventually. I absolutely love the current system and it would be a shame if they destroyed something I feel they did a great job in changing/revamping. There are many older players that have recently came back on my server (since the flood of 2.0 info) that thoroughly enjoy the new battle/combo system....I know it would turn me off of the game, and would ruin my immersion if it was changed to operate like any other throw away f2p mmo. -
09-09-2012, 04:11 PMVoltaAsura
^to add. Not sure why I was raging about weaponskills on mages. FFXI did have them, and tbh I remember shocking random parties being whm and melee'ing with my weapon and doing weasponskills. Also at one point, FFXIV had weaponskills, it wasn't all that bad.
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09-09-2012, 05:55 PMFelis
It was funny to use PGL WS on my THM in the old days.
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09-09-2012, 06:13 PMMortStill they both seem to have more sense then you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahldon
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09-09-2012, 11:43 PMRokienYep, my friend did a whm tank once.Quote:
Originally Posted by VoltaAsura
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09-09-2012, 11:58 PMFelisShadowfall was very good before SE nerfed the Thaumaturge physical attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahldon
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09-10-2012, 01:05 AMAlhanelemI really liked the stamina gauge concept and hell, I even liked the original ATB-type system they had in alpha. But I don't miss either of those things any more. It will just take a little time to get used to whatever changes are made, then you'll forget how you felt about the previous setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by VoltaAsura
Well, DoM arms used to do magical damage with their attacks (the different brands and wands would do different elements in damage), then they changed them all to be blunt and also nerfed the hell out of it. There was really no reason to destroy that. It's not like it overshadowed spellcasting- I liked it because you had more options than the current 2 combos you ever use setup on BLM.Quote:
was very good before SE nerfed the Thaumaturge physical attack.