In regards to Jumping in 2.0/realm reborn

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Originally Posted by Aion

then why need this statement?



nothing to do with adding momentum

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The reason he wants momentum is to avoid unnatural looking jump spamming.
He's not against jump, he wants it to look better.

I'm sorry to tell you this, but you won't turn the tide.
Jump is perfectly fine without timers or delay.
You are wasting your time. As many said before, you are just beating a dead horse.

But just for the sake of it (you took the time to write the post, after all), I'm officially adding my voice to the horde of people who completely disagree with you.

If you want to play a game without jump, try chess... oh wait, you have to lift the pieces. It looks totally unnatural since they are made of wood and we all know trees don't jump.
Just deal with it then? :/

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Originally Posted by Aion

um? they have been told us since a year ago, i think it is enough time to make decision to stick or not with a MMO that have jump feature :)

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Sorry for my misuse of two words... The fact is; people paid for and put a lot of time into a game that didn't have jump and then SE decided to change that, so a response of "don't like it? go play another game!" is stupid.

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

While we're at it, can we put a restriction on everything we don't like? There are far too many Elezen for my liking...so let's just get those out of my sight.

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Only on the males. No where near enough smexy elezen girls in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Galliano

Sorry for my misuse of two words... The fact is; people paid for and put a lot of time into a game that didn't have jump and then SE decided to change that, so a response of "don't like it? go play another game!" is stupid.

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I spent money on the game expecting them to finally have a FF MMO with a new "modern" engine contain jump since I mean a psp ff game like Dissidia can add it. Just saying I was hoping that they would add some more realism to the play experience, seeing jumping in cs's and by npc's and here we are these amazing heroes that can do anything and we are grounded. I just like to jump because I for one even in real life, because I can. Jump over obstacles in my way or for the hell of it, because I can, why must I not be able to do it in a game? Because some few say it is "unrealistic"? I agree though this has been beating a rotting smelling horse. We are getting jumping, it is now part of the dynamic new world and the world knows it, so for SE to go back in now and change it back to no jumping would ruin any chance of them ever getting new players in the future.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

The reason he wants momentum is to avoid unnatural looking jump spamming.
He's not against jump, he wants it to look better.

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he said CONSTANT JUMP SPAMMING no "unnatural looking" words inbetween

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Originally Posted by Aion

he said CONSTANT JUMP SPAMMING no "unnatural looking" words inbetween

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Watching the gameplay videos that have thus far been released, every time someone jumped for no real reason other than simply for the sake of jumping it felt out of place in the general aesthetic of final fantasy games. Especially when the lalafells jumped, the relative height of their jump compared to their body height was really jarring to look at for me.

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The whole reason he wants the minor lag is because it looks wrong to him.

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Nothing major, maybe only slowing you down by a tiny fraction after a jump. But however minor, it would prevent people from jumping constantly for the sake of jumping while traveling places, and only jumping to clear obstacles that would offer shorter pathing.

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He doesn't want to stop you from jumping. He wants a minor momentum lag to prevent spamming and keep it natural looking while still being a viable option for gameplay or recreation.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

The whole reason he wants the minor lag is because it looks wrong to him.



He doesn't want to stop you from jumping. He wants a minor momentum lag to prevent spamming and keep it natural looking while still being a viable option for gameplay or recreation.

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adding minor momentum will stop spamming? really?

Let's talk about grass. It sure is getting tall.

Does it really bother you that much that you want to control how others play?

Oh, stop it.

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Originally Posted by Venat

How about Jumping slows down your movement speed by 3secs. This way players on chocobo spaming jump while riding are effected by travel.

Or can only do 3 jumps every 10 or 20 seconds.

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How about we add a fatigue bar into the game, and have most actions including emotes, jumping and running deplete it. If you let it reach empty your character stops for several seconds while they catch their breath.

Expect to have someone attempt to jump over your character once every 2.3 seconds while trying to complete any activity.

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Originally Posted by Aion

adding minor momentum will stop spamming? really?

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It'll make it look better at least.
At at least stop spamming at the point where it could get annoying.

God only knows how you poor flowers coped during the Olympics, High Jump, Long Jump.... TRIPLE Jump, it must of been an overwhelming assault on your senses.

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Originally Posted by Polive

Maybe I am the only person that feels this way? What does other people think?

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http://i.imgur.com/jM8QH.gif

i dunno about you guys but the first thing i am gonna do when i log into 2.0 is jump. then i am gonna get on my Chocobo and jump some more. f**k it i am gonna jump everywhere...

I played WoW for over a year and never had a problem with people jumping. Bring it on!


I actually find it insulting that we cant jump, it bugged me in FFXI and bugs me in XIV. We can fight huge monsters, cast elemental spells, heal people and even bring people back to life, but we cant lift 2 feet off of the ground, just seems pretty stupid if you ask me.

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Originally Posted by A5ko

God only knows how you poor flowers coped during the Olympics, High Jump, Long Jump.... TRIPLE Jump, it must of been an overwhelming assault on your senses.

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Momentum animations, variety in jumping animation, jumping having a real point.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Momentum animations, variety in jumping animation, jumping having a real point.

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Jumping up small mounds to make passage through a terrain easier. How is that not having a point in a game?

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Momentum animations, variety in jumping animation, jumping having a real point.

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So does running, but I don't recall seeing any threads demanding the immediate halt of people running in circles around their friends. I mean, nobody would EVER do something like that, so it needs to be fixed. Add a 3 second delay to moving if you did it in a way that offends me.

Denial is fail
you know you want it in FF14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1Zi8Zeq2pk&hd=1

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Originally Posted by Ksenia

Denial is fail
you know you want it in FF14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1Zi8Zeq2pk&hd=1

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Screw that nonsense...I want this in Final Fantasy XIV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZslirlM36A

Anybody who disagrees hates fun. Stop hating fun.

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Originally Posted by A5ko

Jumping up small mounds to make passage through a terrain easier. How is that not having a point in a game?

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Because you can just walk over or around them without any loss of time or movement.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

Are there areas where you have to use chocobo’s jump to be able to reach?
Y: We don’t have any place set where you need to use jump to get up. This is not an action game so I don’t think it’s right to have people feel “I don’t want to do this anymore” for those not good at climbing steps. We have it where you can jump anywhere so even when traveling through the field so I think it’s enjoyable.

I see, so the jump action was added to enjoy the traveling.
Y: Yes that is correct.

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

So does running, but I don't recall seeing any threads demanding the immediate halt of people running in circles around their friends. I mean, nobody would EVER do something like that, so it needs to be fixed. Add a 3 second delay to moving if you did it in a way that offends me.

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That's not the same thing, and that's why you don't see people requesting a way out of that. You can easily move out of the way, to a wall, follow him instead, go in a crowd, or just let the lag make it look like he's running in an odd triangle somewhere near you.

We have spam blockers for shout and emote spam. And sense we're on the subject, if we include jumping, why not crawling or handstands. You don't want to restrict my movement right? Why not let us climb buildings or slap the top of a doorway as we enter?

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Originally Posted by Gramul

That's not the same thing, and that's why you don't see people requesting a way out of that. You can easily move out of the way, to a wall, follow him instead, go in a crowd, or just let the lag make it look like he's running in an odd triangle somewhere near you.

We have spam blockers for shout and emote spam. And sense we're on the subject, if we include jumping, why not crawling or handstands. You don't want to restrict my movement right? Why not let us climb buildings or slap the top of a doorway as we enter?

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Maybe people don't request it because it's actually not a big deal. I'd be willing to put money on it that 99% of the people crying about jumping never played a game with it. Coming from someone who has played many MMO's where you can jump, it's seriously not a big deal at all.

And I don't think you know who you're talking to. If I had the option to walk in any of those ways, I totally would. I want a TF2 Spycrab walk SO BAD!

http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/155724_o.gif

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Because you can just walk over or around them without any loss of time or movement.

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I think you missed the gamescom footage. You missed the part where they jump to get over fences, and down steep ledges. You prefer to walk and phased through objects or just let it be an unavoidable obstacle?

I don't think your logic justifies your means of restricting jump

edit: the fastest way between two points will always be a straight line.

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

Maybe people don't request it because it's actually not a big deal. I'd be willing to put money on it that 99% of the people crying about jumping never played a game with it. Coming from someone who has played many MMO's where you can jump, it's seriously not a big deal at all.

And I don't think you know who you're talking to. If I had the option to crab walk in any of those ways, I totally would. I want a TF2 Spycrab walk SO BAD!

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Also coming from someone who's played many MMO's, it's one of the most annoying things about them. It's the reason people do request some way to stop or alleviate jump spamming.


Also, remember Gifthorse? He wanted the game to have all sorts of acrobatics and climbing and crawling and swimming, but everyone was so against him because his demands where so anti Final Fantasy, so obtuse, as if he wanted them because a free korean MMO had them.

Yet, when it comes to jumping, it must be added and fully integrated so you can do it whenever, no matter how pointless it is to gameplay.

I'm not mad at jumping. If I can be perfectly honest, it's just a minor annoyance to me. But what really steams me up is the response to the people who really don't like it. It's the "LOL I'm just gonna do it to spite you! Nah nah nah nah naaaaaaah!" Bullshit that pulls me into a frenzy. "It's a standard!" "Just leave if you don't like it!" "You're an idiot!" and the likes they get, encouraging that sort of playground scornful fanaticism.

It all seems to stem from blind defense, spite, or general stubborn refusal to lend an ear to opposition, and it kills me to see us follow the same mistake over and over.
That's the type of behavior I expect from an anonymous image board, but in a place where you've identified yourself, why perpetuate it? I know people here are smarter than that. I've seen well thought out views and explanations from all sides.

And I'm guilty of being hasty and thoughtless myself, and for that I apologize. I think we could all strive to make this community as open and thoughtful as it could be, instead of using stock reactions or cleverly worded hate for everything we don't agree with.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

I think you guys need to put on your big girl panties and deal with the fact that people can and will do annoying, repetitive things when bored.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgi3HS0uczk

Edit: I also stop reading when he said "A friend told me that in WoW"

it bugged me at first but to be honest, since its coming anyway, i don't care anymore...
let them hop around if it makes them happy

you know people are going to abuse it just because they can nothing you can do about it.

Let the people jump. If anything, someone should make a video as soon as we're all logged into the game of everyone jumping in rhythm to "Jump" by Kris Kross.

After that, everyone should be well entertained.

How about we discuss stuff like how to improve the battle system?
Quest storylines and their quality.
Job balance?

You know stuff that actually matters when comes to quality of this game.

These kinds of threads make me just want to mash the jump button out of spite when it becomes available.

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Originally Posted by mysterytaru

How about 'no' and

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/...it_dog_gif.gif

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Im finding a middle ground so how about no you troll.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

So, did any of you actually read his post, or just go into "don't restrict my movement" mode?
Because his suggestion was to add a momentum punch/animation at the end of a jump to make it look more natural.

Also, where's crawling?

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Yep. But I decided I had a joke that was reasonably amusing to me, so I threw it out there in spite of the fact that it didn't fit perfectly with the topic at hand.

If it allows me to drop over a 2 foot cliff and not get stuck on ledges, I'm all down for jumping. Other than that, it's just an added game feature for ppl to like/dislike.

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Originally Posted by Polive

Repost from "Other" because this subforum seems to see more use.

Anyone else kinda feel that while it's great functionality to have jumping available in 2.0, it would be preferable not to have everyone constantly jumping all the time everywhere?

Watching the gameplay videos that have thus far been released, every time someone jumped for no real reason other than simply for the sake of jumping it felt out of place in the general aesthetic of final fantasy games. Especially when the lalafells jumped, the relative height of their jump compared to their body height was really jarring to look at for me.

As I said, jumping is great for functionality. However, I would like there to be a slight animation delay put in at the end of jumps. Instead of jumping while running and losing no speed compared to someone who is running without jumping, it'd be nice if you took a small hit to your momentum. Nothing major, maybe only slowing you down by a tiny fraction after a jump. But however minor, it would prevent people from jumping constantly for the sake of jumping while traveling places, and only jumping to clear obstacles that would offer shorter pathing.

Basically, I just don't want to see constant jump spamming. A friend tells me that is what apparently happens in WoW because "you need something to do with your hands when you are bored".

Maybe I am the only person that feels this way? What does other people think?

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I think that I am going to track down every person who ever made this complaint and circle around them at full speed, jump now and again, brandish/sheathe a moogle weapon fifty-odd times, and then spam the hell out of /laugh just so I can get you folks to stop taking yourselves so bloody seriously.

Human beings are so damned single-minded. You give them an idea to fixate on and they will focus upon it to the exclusion of all else, in this case, that somehow the act of jumping alone is going to ruin the immersion in a fantasy game where folks wield weapons that would lay most folks flat on their back, invoke arcane powers to hurl thunderbolts and fireballs through the air, and ride fluffy yellow chickens in place of horses.

There have been dozens of threads upon this very topic, and precious few others, with regards to ruining the immersion of those playing. Why? A whole lot of folks latched onto one idea and focused upon it, ignoring all the bridge-out signs along the way.

It's also good to know that the Final Fantasy Feel™ is determined by your incapacity to defy gravity. Amongst all the other things that make Final Fantasy what it is, that this is foremost among its features is reassuring knowledge.

Dear SE, please ask our community - not to FEED THE TROLLS.

Regards,

Sen'jin

I'm tired of people talking about beating a dead horse. You are all just accepting it. The developers have given us a very special opportunity to help dictate how the game will turn out and everybody is just accepting when they are dissatisfied. I for one will take advantage of this unprecedented opportunity and agree with the OP. This is NOT a dead horse and it is NOT beaten beyond death. This is an issue that, if the developers have the resources and time, should fix. I don't care what the priority is, if the developers get that opportunity to make this feature better, please ignore the naysayers. Because for all we know they have the time and resources to change the jump feature but are seeing a bunch of complacent players who would rather kiss ass than show any shred of doubt in their beloved 2.0

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Originally Posted by Eagleheart

I think that I am going to track down every person who ever made this complaint and circle around them at full speed, jump now and again, brandish/sheathe a moogle weapon fifty-odd times, and then spam the hell out of /laugh just so I can get you folks to stop taking yourselves so bloody seriously.

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Do I need to point out how futile that would be...? Some folks don't have a sense of humor, and never will.

I admit if in party with a Lalafell, and I'm not doing anything at the time, I will be prone to bunny-hop over them. Repeatedly. Until they move or I get bored of it. :x

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

While we're at it, can we put a restriction on everything we don't like? There are far too many Elezen for my liking...so let's just get those out of my sight.

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This is a serious request. and makes far more sense than that rotting corpse that the OP is defiling. Male Elezen are a problem.