I like how Yoship keeps taking the wrong points from feedback.

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Originally Posted by Doomed_Raven

Apparently mobile gaming is quite big in Japan, I remember in the mid 2000s there was a mobile only FF, Before Crisis: FFVII. It was released on one or two mobile phones that met the hardware requirements, and unfortunately never left Japan.

In the West, smartphone gaming and tablet gaming have a near non-existent hardcore gamer player base. It is considered casual gaming, and is rife with cartoonish styled indie games and basic mechanics used to pass the time when waiting say at a bus stop.

Trying to move several hundred thousand hardcore gamers that play on console and PC to a mobile style or format would end poorly, and risk really cheapening the game. I remember how that P2W Diablo immortals went. I'm not a PC gamer nor a hardcore MMO player with their finger on the pulse of MMO gaming, and even I heard the echos of that disaster. Mobile gaming is also known to use FOMO as a means to keep players active.

On the other hand - if they continued focusing on the hardcore gaming format, and also made a portable version which was 1:1 (aside perhaps from visuals, that would depend on hardware) this probably would do very well, OSRS android works fine. I think the mobile version they have now isn't a 1:1 portable experience but something a bit different from what I've heard, and being different could take away attention and resources.

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Mobile gaming is not PC gaming. There are different expectations and mechanics surrounding them. Some are better suited for mobile, some are better suited for PC. FFXIV already has a mobile version, developed by a different studio. It should always remain separate from the main game. Mobile mechanics do not belong in PC games. I left other MMOs for FFXIV specifically because FFXIV lacks FOMO in comparison. If FFXIV goes in the direction of FOMO and mobile mechanics. I quit.

I don't think they will, and I sincerely hope they listen to the community and don't do these this. They're starting to turn the game around and improve things and I really hope they don't ruin it all. If any devs or community managers are listening, if they add these mobile elements to FFXIV, I'm out.

The fact that he said that the cross-job Glamour was not technically hard and that his team was even surprised at him making the decision makes me wonder just how much more is "Because I say so".
It's also incredibly frustrating how out of touch they are with their majority audience (The western audience), make the effort and invite people with large communities to come over, pick like 3 and have 2 hour sessions with each, its a day of their time.
I do think that content creators have a warped view of the game, its not like they ever have to want for lack of people for example but any one of them who listens to their communities could at least give feedback on what they have experianced, even if they dont share the same opinion.

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Originally Posted by NaoSen

I do think that content creators have a warped view of the game, its not like they ever have to want for lack of people for example but any one of them who listens to their communities could at least give feedback on what they have experianced, even if they dont share the same opinion.

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Personally I think the SB-ShB influx of players did a lot of damage to how SE, content creators, and the community view the game. Specifically all the WoW content creators that spent 2 years glazing the hell out of FFXIV during its Shadowlands downturn. Despite how out of touch they seem to be, I know that someone over there in Japan has their finger on the pulse of Western sentiment, and Bellular's knob slobbing must have given them a head so big it's still deflating 5 years later.

Discourse and player counts need to fall back to pre-ShB levels before anything of note changes at SE. Unfortunately we're at a point in society where telling people to 'vote with their wallet' gets you laughed out of 4 of 5 rooms, so... like that'll ever happen.

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Originally Posted by NaoSen

The fact that he said that the cross-job Glamour was not technically hard and that his team was even surprised at him making the decision makes me wonder just how much more is "Because I say so".
It's also incredibly frustrating how out of touch they are with their majority audience (The western audience), make the effort and invite people with large communities to come over, pick like 3 and have 2 hour sessions with each, its a day of their time.
I do think that content creators have a warped view of the game, its not like they ever have to want for lack of people for example but any one of them who listens to their communities could at least give feedback on what they have experianced, even if they dont share the same opinion.

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'Because I say so' would go a long way to explaining certain decisions when it comes to other contentious design choices. For example, the age-old 'should Healers have anything remotely engaging re: DPS rotation', most games have modernized and realised that 'standing still and waiting for Mana to regen/for someone to get a booboo' isn't interesting Healer gameplay, so they've got systems that incentivize the Healer player to do something to fill that downtime, be that maintaining buffs on allies or doing some token damage themselves, with a simple (but not 'literally two buttons' simple) damage kit. Even WOW, the main cited source of 'this is how Healer gameplay should be' and direct inspiration for the ARR rebuild, has moved away from that kind of gameplay, with only one of its Healers having a damage kit of a similar level of simplicity to a FFXIV Healer (And that's partially made up for by the Healing half of its kit having a lot more interactions to work around within itself)

So, if Yoshi-P is stubbornly stuck in the mindset of 'Healers SHOULD be about standing around waiting for someone to get hurt' it goes a long way to explaning how the SHB pruning of damage actions went ahead

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'Because I say so' would go a long way to explaining certain decisions when it comes to other contentious design choices. For example, the age-old 'should Healers have anything remotely engaging re: DPS rotation', most games have modernized and realised that 'standing still and waiting for Mana to regen/for someone to get a booboo' isn't interesting Healer gameplay, so they've got systems that incentivize the Healer player to do something to fill that downtime, be that maintaining buffs on allies or doing some token damage themselves, with a simple (but not 'literally two buttons' simple) damage kit. Even WOW, the main cited source of 'this is how Healer gameplay should be' and direct inspiration for the ARR rebuild, has moved away from that kind of gameplay, with only one of its Healers having a damage kit of a similar level of simplicity to a FFXIV Healer (And that's partially made up for by the Healing half of its kit having a lot more interactions to work around within itself)

So, if Yoshi-P is stubbornly stuck in the mindset of 'Healers SHOULD be about standing around waiting for someone to get hurt' it goes a long way to explaning how the SHB pruning of damage actions went ahead

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It was mentioned in this article https://www.pcgamer.com/games/mmo/ff...em-on-players/
- Part in article

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He uses, for example, his Black Mage character, noting that he wouldn't glamour them into heavy armor. However, "These are my own roleplaying rules, so I have decided them arbitrarily … I reconsidered and decided that it would be pointless to impede the roleplaying of people who say, 'My character is the coolest and cutest in the world. I want to dress up even more,' by [forcing them to follow] my own rules.
"I'm fine with being particular about my own preferences, and I'm sure there are many others who feel the same way, but that doesn't mean that the system should restrict the motivation of people who are particular about dressing up."

Yoshi-P also jokes that "when I mentioned this to the development team, they responded, 'Are you sure?!', which makes me think that the development team also thought that Yoshida's insistence on equipment restrictions was absolute."

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People are complaining about the world being boring? Auto pathing. Just skip the exploration.

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That he even hinted at this blew my mind. XIV may well and truly be cooked if this was his takeaway regarding complaints about the (nonexistent) overworld content. He's worryingly out of touch with his playerbase right now.

Part of me used to think a lot of what was happening was due to finance bros and ceo meddling or just Yoshida being overworked. But then I started playing FFXI again and realized what this game was really missing is someone in charge who loves the game, cares about the world/lore and tries to do right by its player base. Fujito, the director of FFXI, actually cares and it comes through with every single update and every single live letter. The plans they have and what they are doing behind the scenes that he has discussed sound amazing and you can tell they took a lot of care in what they are prioritizing and how they are making the changes they are making. Yoshida just seems like he doesn't give a leaping lizzy about anything from lore to content to how the players feel. The decisions and changes feel lazy, unispired or often just amatuer and there is absolutely no passion coming from the live letters at all, which at this point is more about marketing their weird collabs and silly merch than it does about the actual game.

We need a Fujito in charge, not a Yoshida.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I love how this is somehow worse of a situation than them responding to feedback with 2 upvotes

Releasing a build you know you are going to change then ignoring calls to not change it

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Agreed. In the end it's the developers and only the developers who get to make the final decision on things and it's also their job to analyze player feedback and determine if and how to implement it. Therefore, while this community might agree or disagree on specific topics, it's ultimately the developer's choice and in the case of VPR, they just did it in spite of the fact that a lot of people were against it.

Removing Noxious Gnash made VPR more streamlined but the job did not get something in return, as it often happens when a specific element is removed.

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Originally Posted by NaoSen

The fact that he said that the cross-job Glamour was not technically hard and that his team was even surprised at him making the decision makes me wonder just how much more is "Because I say so".
It's also incredibly frustrating how out of touch they are with their majority audience (The western audience), make the effort and invite people with large communities to come over, pick like 3 and have 2 hour sessions with each, its a day of their time.
I do think that content creators have a warped view of the game, its not like they ever have to want for lack of people for example but any one of them who listens to their communities could at least give feedback on what they have experianced, even if they dont share the same opinion.

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I recall when Yoshida was asked about letting us know whether an attack was physical or magical and his response was something along the lines that "it was difficult to implement" and then it was introduced a patch later. Essentially, we never know if they don't want to do it, cannot do it or simply takes too much effort for them to care.

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Yoshida just seems like he doesn't give a leaping lizzy about anything from lore to content to how the players feel. The decisions and changes feel lazy, unispired or often just amatuer and there is absolutely no passion coming from the live letters at all, which at this point is more about marketing their weird collabs and silly merch than it does about the actual game.

We need a Fujito in charge, not a Yoshida.

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Yoshida lost his passion over the years. He used to be very passionate about this game, and it showed in everything that he did. Even during the Live Letters, he would have his team read through the forums and answer questions about the game.

Now it's very stale and overbaked. He's no longer listening or cares what the community says. He's become jaded and he doesn't offer the same passion as he once did all those years ago.

I'll be sad if this game wins any community awards, because they're undeserved. Even the moderators of the forum stay dead silent and don't offer any guidance to the community. They're only here to offer bans to players and nothing else. Community leaders my @$%, they do nothing for this community. And if a community mod is listening to this, what the @#$$ are you doing to enhance the experience of these forums? You add nothing to the culture of this community, and you should take a moment to think about that.

We're paying a subscription ffs. This isn't a freeware MMO.

To be fair, when all the forums do is whine and complain about silly stuff why would you read it? Barely a positive thing said on this forum and just full of negativity.

DT has been getting dunked on since release and it's not even that bad. It's as bad as it's been for years, people just turned a blind eye to it because they thought the story was half decent.

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Originally Posted by Asako

DT has been getting dunked on since release and it's not even that bad.

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No, it's definitely that bad.

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Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora

Even the moderators of the forum stay dead silent and don't offer any guidance to the community. They're only here to offer bans to players and nothing else. Community leaders my @$%, they do nothing for this community. And if a community mod is listening to this, what the @#$$ are you doing to enhance the experience of these forums? You add nothing to the culture of this community, and you should take a moment to think about that..

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We need the same kind of community team we had back between 1.x and ARR. That group was absolutely amazing and were incredibly liked by the vast majority of the players at the time. But nope, ARR launches and they get the boot, except for the least personable one of course. No idea if he is still with the company or not but the rest moved on and we need those kinds of ppl back.

"Please look forward to it."

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Originally Posted by Asako

To be fair, when all the forums do is whine and complain about silly stuff why would you read it? Barely a positive thing said on this forum and just full of negativity.

DT has been getting dunked on since release and it's not even that bad. It's as bad as it's been for years, people just turned a blind eye to it because they thought the story was half decent.

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They stayed away from the forum even before it went full negative though, even on the Japanese side (and the German one is dead anyway).
They simply don't want to interact with the community in best Japanese business fashion like so many others there.
There is a reason why they don't win any community awards anymore. We aren't even worth a timely translation and the whole thing would break down if our discord translators quit.

I sometimes try to speak against the worst negativity but even I have to wonder why anyone is so surprised by it.
The devs worsened job identity more and more and in the case of BLM even against desperate feedback by its players.
People were screaming against the void but to no avail until they gave up and just quit.
Their very first reaction to the negative impact to 7.0s story was to deflect and try to ignore like always until the whole thing simply didn't die down because of blunder after blunder and playernumbers dropped to a point they admitted complacent behaviour themselves.

There definitely is the will and the first tries to win players back again but the negativity on the forum is entirely of their own design because people are simply fed up by not being listened to again and again.
At one point the glass simply breaks and while I am against the worst ways people give their criticism I can completely understand their frustration.

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Originally Posted by Asako

To be fair, when all the forums do is whine and complain about silly stuff why would you read it? Barely a positive thing said on this forum and just full of negativity.

DT has been getting dunked on since release and it's not even that bad. It's as bad as it's been for years, people just turned a blind eye to it because they thought the story was half decent.

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I mean they aren't wrong, and the discussions had will reflect the state of the game from that users' perspective.. From my opinion this expansion has done nothing noteworthy except give me a fresh coat of paint, and put down the treadmill once again.

Sure, it's no different, but when you feed people the same thing each expansion, they will inevitably get tired of it.. You can also say quite easily that most people praising the expansion and calling it the best ever, are just turning a blind eye to the plethora of issues because they think the raids are half decent.

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Originally Posted by Asako

To be fair, when all the forums do is whine and complain about silly stuff why would you read it? Barely a positive thing said on this forum and just full of negativity.

DT has been getting dunked on since release and it's not even that bad. It's as bad as it's been for years, people just turned a blind eye to it because they thought the story was half decent.

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The forum has been fairly constructive lately. Negative, but there is worth to a lot of the things said. I realise it's because it got so bad even the residents trolls got fed upbut I feel the whole 'forum is negative, why listen to it' is the new way to dismiss critics rather than the reality.

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Originally Posted by Selsix

No, it's definitely that bad.

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It really kind of isn't, if you step back and look at Dawntrail compared to what other expansions delivered.
It's basically just Endwalker again but without the massively overhyped MSQ and some more experimental content.

It's simply a case of Dawntrail having the misfortune of not being able to blind people with it's story, and suddenly everyone is noticing the issues that have existed for years and that some of us have been talking about for years.

If anything I would actually have to put Dawntrail above Endwalker.
As someone who doesn't put too much value into the MSQ, since it is just something I do once every patch, and is more interested in the "meat" of the game.
Dawntrail's content offerings have been at least on the same level as Endwalker, and imo they have been better than Endwalker. I also have to at least give the devs credit for trying something new, even if some of it fell flat.

Does this mean Dawntrail is great? Of course not, it just means that people have seriously rose-tinted glasses for the previous expansion.
Core aspects of the game have been gradually rotting since Shadowbringers, people were just fine with putting their heads in the sand and pretending the problem doesn't exist until now.

Guys, you complain about absolutely everything in this game! And often in condradictory ways! What feedback do you want them to follow?
This isn't a forum, it's a trash can, everyone knows it. I pity the moderators whose job it is to read it, truly.

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Originally Posted by OdrN

Guys, you complain about absolutely everything in this game!

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It is not true. I never read a complain about the character selection screen. ;)

But yes, some complaints contradict each other. A good example is the bad balance between the jobs. If you want a good balance then you have to remove every difference between the jobs. But now, you get complaints, that the jobs are too similar. :)





Cheers

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Originally Posted by OdrN

Guys, you complain about absolutely everything in this game! And often in condradictory ways! What feedback do you want them to follow?
This isn't a forum, it's a trash can, everyone knows it. I pity the moderators whose job it is to read it, truly.

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You're right, we need to elect a single poster to post on our behalf. Otherwise, they might think that a large group of individuals has multiple differing opinions instead of a unified one.

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Originally Posted by OdrN

Guys, you complain about absolutely everything in this game! And often in condradictory ways! What feedback do you want them to follow?
This isn't a forum, it's a trash can, everyone knows it. I pity the moderators whose job it is to read it, truly.

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Yes, indeed! We need to sit in silence and say "Thank you, SE!" every time they pull some new sh*t. No need to give them a warning as to why their game is struggling.

On a more serious note, this is pretty much the only place for western audiences to speak up. Their twitter basically ignores any non-Japanese posts - if they react at all - and we have no path of communication with the devs. Nobody knows what even happens to suggestions sent the via in-game system. I do not like this place either and there are plenty of people I disagree with but everyone should be able to speak their mind and if something one themselves thinks is incorrect gets a lot of support then that is fair, too. What SE does with the info - if they actually read any of it - is up to them. They are at the end of the day the professionals hired to create a good experience.
If you care about the game and you think there is something wrong it is in your best interest to voice it.

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Originally Posted by OdrN

Guys, you complain about absolutely everything in this game! And often in condradictory ways! What feedback do you want them to follow?
This isn't a forum, it's a trash can, everyone knows it. I pity the moderators whose job it is to read it, truly.

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It doesn't matter if people have contradicting opinions, that's true for every place because we aren't a hive mind.
It's the job of the devs to find a balance.
Jobs are the perfect example for that.
Instead of changing jobs away from how people like them just to attract new players they should have made new jobs that fulfill those wishes.

They failed in that regard and of course those players, myself included, are unhappy and voice their frustration.

You can't deflect criticism with a "but other people contradict you".
That's not how it works.

What I do agree though is that the tone in which people voice their criticism should change here.

To be fair, by their own design, this forum theoretically isn't going to be a 'neutral space'. For instance, you have to be subbed and remember to log in at least once every... uhmm... I forgot how many weeks (lol, 3 weeks IIRC?) before they just outright deny your post & it'll stay like that until you login again. Free Login campaign is another way to not pay a sub and still voice out your concern but that doesn't happen pretty often.

Despite all that 'barrier' however, that this many negative feedback still bubble up their way to this forum (with increasingly more frustration expressed as time goes by!) only makes me think how it shows their poor code of conduct when it comes to receiving, listening, and reacting to feedbacks in general.

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Originally Posted by OdrN

Guys, you complain about absolutely everything in this game! And often in condradictory ways! What feedback do you want them to follow?
This isn't a forum, it's a trash can, everyone knows it. I pity the moderators whose job it is to read it, truly.

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Why are you here reading it then? You like harming yourself or what?

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

A good example is the bad balance between the jobs. If you want a good balance then you have to remove every difference between the jobs. But now, you get complaints, that the jobs are too similar.

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And the balance is still terrible anyway.

I hope they NEVER go with autopathing. FFXIV is not some cheap Chinese mobile "game" garbage

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

We need the same kind of community team we had back between 1.x and ARR. That group was absolutely amazing and were incredibly liked by the vast majority of the players at the time. But nope, ARR launches and they get the boot, except for the least personable one of course. No idea if he is still with the company or not but the rest moved on and we need those kinds of ppl back.

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Whatever happened to Bayohne? Are they still around?

I remember some amazing blog posts from Bayohne. That one post about Sophia the Goddess is still amazing

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Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora

Whatever happened to Bayohne? Are they still around?

I remember some amazing blog posts from Bayohne. That one post about Sophia the Goddess is still amazing

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idk what happened to him, but he was the one I was referring to when I said the least personable of the bunch lol

He just always seemed like the wet blanket of the group to me

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

To be fair, by their own design, this forum theoretically isn't going to be a 'neutral space'. For instance, you have to be subbed and remember to log in at least once every... uhmm... I forgot how many weeks (lol, 3 weeks IIRC?) before they just outright deny your post & it'll stay like that until you login again. Free Login campaign is another way to not pay a sub and still voice out your concern but that doesn't happen pretty often.

Despite all that 'barrier' however, that this many negative feedback still bubble up their way to this forum (with increasingly more frustration expressed as time goes by!) only makes me think how it shows their poor code of conduct when it comes to receiving, listening, and reacting to feedbacks in general.

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Except that this place has always been a cesspool of negativity, even when the game was running expansions that were phenomenally popular. ShB is practically universally viewed as the "best" expansion, but if you were around the forums during that time, you'd think it was the worst thing SE ever did. And it's not "increasingly more frustration" - I've been here a long time, it's always been like this. Which in a way sort of makes sense - people who are happy are mostly just playing the game, while people who aren't complain, both to do so and eventually knowing they'll get an echo chamber egging them on around here. During ShB, it was the people who didn't like how the Ascians and Sundering got retconned. During EW, it was the people who didn't like how the retcon got retconned itself. During DT, it's the people who didn't like the "happy vibes" approach, sudden shift in the middle of the MSQ, or are just part of the segment of the gaming population who couldn't stand that they hired a trans VA. It's whoever is dissatisfied that spends most of their time here, while the people who like each set of changes just go back to playing the game.

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Except that this place has always been a cesspool of negativity, even when the game was running expansions that were phenomenally popular. ShB is practically universally viewed as the "best" expansion, but if you were around the forums during that time, you'd think it was the worst thing SE ever did. And it's not "increasingly more frustration" - I've been here a long time, it's always been like this. Which in a way sort of makes sense - people who are happy are mostly just playing the game, while people who aren't complain, both to do so and eventually knowing they'll get an echo chamber egging them on around here. During ShB, it was the people who didn't like how the Ascians and Sundering got retconned. During EW, it was the people who didn't like how the retcon got retconned itself. During DT, it's the people who didn't like the "happy vibes" approach, sudden shift in the middle of the MSQ, or are just part of the segment of the gaming population who couldn't stand that they hired a trans VA. It's whoever is dissatisfied that spends most of their time here, while the people who like each set of changes just go back to playing the game.

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That is kind of what the forums are for. We do have threads in here celebrating new decisions, patch content and the like. They are less than complaints, but they are there.

But yeah. What you are essentially suggesting is that what is being discussed here has no merit or value and we should just shut up and glaze SE more - as if that did not lead to EW and DT.
They know very well how important listening to the community is and yet they just seemingly do not do it. It is a frustrating situation that does not exactly lead to much positive feedback. And this will forever stay the case until they decide to hire people in the west to actually communicate with their base, play the game with them and have a back and forth exchange with the main dev team. That is the only way to not only get a balanced spectrum of input but also somewhat quell the frustration of being ignored for so long to a degree.
Until then this is place will be the way it is. There's no medicine for the symptoms of way things currently are being run.
And lastly... as SE said so nicely themselves - when people complain they still care. It's the quiet ones that leave first. Once the complaining in here stops you know FFXIV is on its way out.

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Except that this place has always been a cesspool of negativity, even when the game was running expansions that were phenomenally popular. ShB is practically universally viewed as the "best" expansion, but if you were around the forums during that time, you'd think it was the worst thing SE ever did. And it's not "increasingly more frustration" - I've been here a long time, it's always been like this. Which in a way sort of makes sense - people who are happy are mostly just playing the game, while people who aren't complain, both to do so and eventually knowing they'll get an echo chamber egging them on around here. During ShB, it was the people who didn't like how the Ascians and Sundering got retconned. During EW, it was the people who didn't like how the retcon got retconned itself. During DT, it's the people who didn't like the "happy vibes" approach, sudden shift in the middle of the MSQ, or are just part of the segment of the gaming population who couldn't stand that they hired a trans VA. It's whoever is dissatisfied that spends most of their time here, while the people who like each set of changes just go back to playing the game.

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Yeah so weird the thing that gets linked when you navigate the in game menus to leave a suggestion for how to improve the game leads you here all so the devs can ignore it and pander to JP forum posts that have 2 upvotes

The forums are always going to trend negative but that’s massively exasperated by the fact that the community team assigned to EN would rather sleep on the job then send our feedback to the devs; and we have evidence they don’t send our feedback because we have multiple instances of yoshi p going “wait that’s actually a problem you guys have” when presented with feedback that would take 2 seconds to find on the EN forums. JP even acknowledges this given the avatar refresh update where JP players broke their usually decorum of “don’t use google translate to post on the JP forums, post on the EN forums” to let us dump our complaints on the JP forums because even they know the devs only care about their forums and wanted to make their arguments stronger

Even when there were a lot of complaints in the forums, there was always kind and thoughtful questions during the Live Letter that came from specialized forums here on the boards.

I dislike everyone jumping on the "forums are negativity" bandwagon. Yes the General has always been like this, but there was helpful and meaningful questions that came from the forums that were answered in the Live Letters.

The real problem isn't the players, the real problem is the moderators. Suddenly we've forgotten what service they offered us and our direct communication to the development team. That's gone. That's the problem.

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During DT, it's the people who didn't like the "happy vibes" approach, sudden shift in the middle of the MSQ, or are just part of the segment of the gaming population who couldn't stand that they hired a trans VA. It's whoever is dissatisfied that spends most of their time here, while the people who like each set of changes just go back to playing the game.

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So why did I hate the MSQ if I've been listening to it in Japanese since the tail end of 6.4 and love plenty of dumb schlock where hope wins through miracles? Wuk's EN VA wouldn't have affected my experience, it should have been the kind of story that I'm fine with or like, and I even like Mesoamerican fantasy settings.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I love how this is somehow worse of a situation than them responding to feedback with 2 upvotes

Releasing a build you know you are going to change then ignoring calls to not change it

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Just not going to address your blatant lie huh? They didn't follow feedback with two votes like you said, now you complain about something else to distract from your bald faced lie.

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Just not going to address your blatant lie huh? They didn't follow feedback with two votes like you said, now you complain about something else to distract from your bald faced lie.

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The only feedback on the forums that lines up with the changes they made was a post on the JP forums with like 2 upvotes, it’s just we found out after the fact they were always planning on changing it

There was a window where everyone was like “yo square why did you decide to do that” and people found that post and since it was so similar it lined up. Square just decided to tell us later that our feedback was pointless and they were going to change it regardless of what we do

Somehow comically both statements are actually true and it just makes square look even worse

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Originally Posted by Selsix

No, it's definitely that bad.

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It's really not that bad. Sure the story is cheeks. To me that's whatever as I skip story. The jobs are as boring as they've been since Shb. No one complains about EW being bad, despite having the same issues.

DT has good Trial bosses, some of the better ones in recent years for sure. The 24man is far superior to that muck Nier and Gods of the Realm crap we had the last 2 expansions. The NM/Savage raids were kinda cheeks this time around, but people like that furry stuff for some reason, but overall the mechanics were pretty good. So battle content is pretty much the same or better.

We have a Deep dungeon, a Relic exploration zone, an Ultimate, Hildibrand, Cosmic Exploration and Variant dungeons. We're already getting more content than EW. EW Post launch was absolutely awful in comparison.

We also finally got and are getting more QoL changes that are long overdue.

There is absolutely no universe you can say DT was that bad unless you are strictly talking about story or you are blatently ignoring the games issues we've had for years now.

Quantity of content is a near meaningless measure when the quality (whether by itself or by virtue of being dragged down by the jobs) is bad and really only useful for comparison to EW which had neither quality nor quantity.

DT’s volume of content simply isn’t helping it at all because it all just dies basically on launch, DT is just the worst victim of this because it can’t paper over the problem with a good story. DT is bad because it cannot support its content and saying it has more content with no support than EW is a basically empty statement

If they want people’s perception of DT to turn around they need to actually fundamentally redesign content and how the game interacts with it. Reading off a list of content and going “see more than other expansions” doesn’t change how bad DT is

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Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora

I don't see as much copium in XIV as I do in, say, World of Warcraft. In this game, people feel the negative impact of an expansion very severely. The forums get really nasty and players just stop playing.

With that said, I think Yoshi P needs to either wake up and fight for this game, or step down. I don't want him to step down, but he needs to resurrect this game the same way he did in A Realm Reborn.

If he doesn't have that passion to fight for the game, then it's game over for all of us.

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Huh? Wow players openly criticize the game when things are bad
other than the official reddit but those are hugboxes for every game lol
You should've seen it during shadowlands

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Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe

So, if Yoshi-P is stubbornly stuck in the mindset of 'Healers SHOULD be about standing around waiting for someone to get hurt' it goes a long way to explaning how the SHB pruning of damage actions went ahead

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At the time, it was needed. Healers were being asked to heal, do max dps and complex raid mechanics. That’s three jobs while everybody else had two. Now in the current expansion, the need to heal is a laughable joke so the lack of dps options is now more glaring. I’d rather be tasks with more healing or support roles such as buffing than do more dps.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Yeah so weird the thing that gets linked when you navigate the in game menus to leave a suggestion for how to improve the game leads you here all so the devs can ignore it and pander to JP forum posts that have 2 upvotes

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The developers do not change things in the game because of a random forum post with two upvotes. They change things because they want to and may use "feedback" as justification.

Sometimes, they do implement things people want (such as the glamour unlock) and sometimes they implement things that people haven't provided a lot of feedback on (sudden Kaiten removal mid expansion). The changes to DRG and BLM in the current expansion, for instance, were met with a lot of criticism, especially considering how many posts there were asking against simplification... and they went through with them anyway.

Sometimes the feedback they use may not even be from the players but their internal testers, QA or the developers themselves. We can never truly know but I highly doubt it's a random post with two likes, especially when JP players in the forums tend to provide feedback in huge megathreads with plenty of posts and varying amounts of likes.