HOUSING NEEDS TO CHANGE

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Originally Posted by Shistar

lol very fun FC drama right there. I will never get tired of aggressively pointing sprouts at the wikis and official sites before they buy a house. They don't know any better, so we must do what we can to inform them as thoroughly as possible before they make a decision they might be upset about in the future.

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What's that guy on youtube that furiously uses a pointer? I need him to point at the 45 day demo timer, with the caption "use it or lose it"

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Originally Posted by Solowing

What's that guy on youtube that furiously uses a pointer? I need him to point at the 45 day demo timer, with the caption "use it or lose it"

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Haha yes exactly, furiously pointing at all the info out there, please visit your homes guys. I mostly use mine to escape the dreadful Lavender Beds weather.

what a suprise i come back to peek in the forums an still see the usual suspects starting crap with everyone cause their tiny little man baby ego's can't fathom people actually getting what they want cause it would invalidate their poor wittle feelings if they got abandoned for a more favorable system lmao still stalking people too huh SW? oh you~ i thought we over that stuff with the whole plugin drama escapades but clearly he loves to abuse stalking via lodestone an these forums now days

If you hardly set foot in the place it's not that big a loss to lose the house. If you care about the house you'll go into it. You don't need a popup to remind you, that would defeat the purpose of even having the timer as it would become largely useless in it's function of freeing up unused houses.

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Originally Posted by ShadowyZero

what a suprise i come back to peek in the forums an still see the usual suspects starting crap with everyone cause their tiny little man baby ego's can't fathom people actually getting what they want cause it would invalidate their poor wittle feelings if they got abandoned for a more favorable system lmao still stalking people too huh SW? oh you~ i thought we over that stuff with the whole plugin drama escapades but clearly he loves to abuse stalking via lodestone an these forums now days

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By "usual suspects" lets cut straight to the chase. You're referring to anyone that doesn't share your opinion. Youre childish.

Instance housing is available in WoW to appeal to XIV player, and if you're still here complaining about it, then you've pretty much shown your hand that you're not leaving anyway if the system changes or not. You gave up the leverage. They don't need to give you a house since, as you're still posting, your subscription is active and yet theirs still no instanced housing.

We don't like it? Don't engage with the system then, but given its limited and people don't want to lose out. They are going to play the game because that's the only way to get a plot. You have no choice but to engage with the system. And that's why I believe it wont change. Given you have a plot, you keep subscribing in part justifying the system you want removed.

Commenting to move this back to the top of the list. White knights are trying to drown it out.

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Originally Posted by thereal_aliceanders

Commenting to move this back to the top of the list. White knights are trying to drown it out.

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<3 we thank you for the support!

but anyways the wider population knows this system is a joke and needs reforms or overhauls its one of the most popular memes of this game after all cause its been that bad and with other games now starting to pick it apart i dont think SE is going to stay silent on it for too much longer i am expecting them to announce some changes to housing for 8.0 onwards. might not be instance housing for everyone might just be retroactive filling wards that open as necessity demands or it just might be they throw a housing plot onto the island sanctuary to make people do that content again and call it a day we'll see what direction they take but either way something must be done to salvage what reputation they have left after the disaster and failure of this current expansion :P

If a player base wants housing. Wait no not housing. They have access to that already.....even without a plot. No, a Plot.

Don't tell me what you aren't willing to do to get it. Because there are stories of people sitting here for 16 hours a day, clicking a placard trying to win a plot. Those who want a plot will do what they need to to get one.

There's a demand for XIV plots. And they know it. And demand is good. Everybody loves a good limited edition. Housing is available to all, but the plots are a different story. Limited edition things are popular for a reason.

I had someone seriously say they miss the old system of housing and I cannot honestly believe that. You cannot tell me that a system where you had to stand at any given unoccupied small plot for anything between 24-48 hours, constantly clicking in the hopes of purchasing the house, is better than what we have now.
I will gladly take lottery above all else.

At this rate the way people are constantly complaining about "housing" just make instanced housing for the sucks who want that. Leave the wards as is and implement a longer demo timer I GUESS. Cause fact is no one is ever going to be happy with housing. I'm bloody tired of these arguments. Wards are COOL. I love running around my ward, seeing people out, wandering into the open homes seeing how people decorated without them even being there. Removing that would make it bland and basically no one would ever visit. I don't visit anyones island sanctuary, I have no desire to go through that effort, if you do, good for you.

So many people have photo studios that we can just, visit. Without them needing to invite us or needing to be online.

People love limited editions because they tap into core psychological triggers like scarcity, FOMO (Fear Of Missing Out), and exclusivity, making items feel more valuable, prestigious, and desirable as they create urgency and a sense of being part of an "inner circle" or collector's club. These rare items foster strong brand loyalty, generate buzz through storytelling, and offer potential for investment or status, driving impulse buys and passionate collecting.

Psychological Drivers:
Scarcity & Value: Limited quantities make items seem inherently more valuable and important, tapping into the desire for rare things.

Fear Of Missing Out (FOMO): Knowing an item is temporary creates urgency, pushing consumers to buy quickly before it's gone forever.

Exclusivity & Status: Owning something few others have provides a sense of prestige, accomplishment, and being part of an elite group or brand community.


Tangible & Investment Benefits:
Higher Perceived Worth: Rarity can justify higher prices and makes items more desirable as collectibles, sometimes appreciating in value (e.g., art prints).

The Thrill of the Hunt: The challenge of finding and acquiring a rare item is a reward in itself.

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Originally Posted by Nyastra

I had someone seriously say they miss the old system of housing and I cannot honestly believe that. You cannot tell me that a system where you had to stand at any given unoccupied small plot for anything between 24-48 hours, constantly clicking in the hopes of purchasing the house, is better than what we have now.
I will gladly take lottery above all else.

At this rate the way people are constantly complaining about "housing" just make instanced housing for the sucks who want that. Leave the wards as is and implement a longer demo timer I GUESS. Cause fact is no one is ever going to be happy with housing. I'm bloody tired of these arguments. Wards are COOL. I love running around my ward, seeing people out, wandering into the open homes seeing how people decorated without them even being there. Removing that would make it bland and basically no one would ever visit. I don't visit anyones island sanctuary, I have no desire to go through that effort, if you do, good for you.

So many people have photo studios that we can just, visit. Without them needing to invite us or needing to be online.

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I think its because they felt like they have more of a degree of control, and far less competition because your competition is against those who have the time and the drive to also click a placard for 16 hours straight. But now, people asked for fair. Everyone now has an equal chance to win a plot, and its accessible to the general player base. Making the 3-4 dedicated players you have to out-click are easier to deal with then 60+ bidders with no way to influence your own odds on that plot.

And that's kinda what I'm saying. Players been complaining about the homogenization of the game for YEARS, would you then go and homogenize another system. "Because everyone can have one now!" No, I don't want to trade a unique housing ward system, so everyone has it but now its even more difficult to visit people and I cant wander into random houses. Because the housing that is available isn't good enough they feel, so gut the whole system, and homogenize it so we all have a plot! No more Wards, No more visiting random players houses, because its going to require friending, or them needing to be online. But its all worth losing any form of uniqueness because everyone should have a plot! And if you don't agree you're a Gatekeeping, bootlicking, S.E simp, not that I'm indirectly asking to homogenize yet another system and you're arguing against that.

Everything needing to be accessible is pushed this game into the rut its trying to dig itself out of. Its sucking the unique out of it.

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Originally Posted by Solowing

I think its because they felt like they have more of a degree of control, and far less competition because your competition is against those who have the time and the drive to also click a placard for 16 hours straight. But now, people asked for fair. Everyone now has an equal chance to win a plot, and its accessible to the general player base. Making the 3-4 dedicated players you have to out-click are easier to deal with then 60+ bidders with no way to influence your own odds on that plot.

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That's a fair point I didn't think of and it makes sense but also I don't miss losing sleep to win a stupid in game plot (potentially, if I out click the bots).
But yeah, I'm just tired of this argument at this point in all honesty.
I get why people dislike the ward system (on congested servers) and I get why they don't just move, but in the same breath, if housing is that important to you then why aren't you trying to solve that issue first and foremost.

I've bought and lost houses, Larges, Mediums, Smalls. I have given up houses to move servers. People want to make it deeper than it truly is.
Yes losing a home sucks, but it's not the end of the world. I've lost my Mist Large & the gil & ALL the furnishings in it because I wasn't able to be online. I knew this and I accepted it. I came back and purchased another home and redecorated.

On alts where I'm not able to have a home, I make do with apartments and they work just fine. Sure more items would be nice, but I can manage.

I dunno I'm talking in circles right now sorry, because it's just never ending. If we advocate for wards we're SE simps. Bro go have your instanced house I don't care, just leave the wards alone. I'm not friending random people to go take photos in their instanced photo studio.

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Originally Posted by Nyastra

I dunno I'm talking in circles right now sorry, because it's just never ending. If we advocate for wards we're SE simps. Bro go have your instanced house I don't care, just leave the wards alone. I'm not friending random people to go take photos in their instanced photo studio.

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now see this is the compromise i tried to offer SW, we get our instance plot an they can keep the ward system with the removal of the timer because the demand for ward housing would go down an thus more ward houses would be available an open up for those that like it. but they won't hear it lmao cause they like to keep up the grift notice how he/she/they pivoted directly back to their old talking points after i made compromise XD they don't really care that much they just love to argue with people to feel noticed hahaha and all because they are pety and bitter af an want to keep doom posting and fear mongering its all that keeps them going sheer spite and grift.

Solo Wings/Roll Ryuko's biggest fear: the developers will listen to the screaming majority and abandon further development into the crappy ward hostage holding griefing system.

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Originally Posted by ShadowyZero

Solo Wings/Roll Ryuko's biggest fear: the developers will listen to the screaming majority and abandon further development into the crappy ward hostage holding griefing system.

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Let’s keep this about the system, not about dunking on other posters.

I don’t think either side is arguing in bad faith. There are valid pros and cons to wards and instanced housing, and pretending one side is just “griefing” or “fear-mongering” doesn’t actually move the discussion forward.

My concern with a mixed system isn’t the idea itself, but the implementation. We already know from past features and incidents (Island Sanctuary included) that uneven rules, timers, or limitations would immediately turn into another “fairness” argument, just a different flavour of the same problem.

I personally prefer wards because I value the shared space, random visits, and sense of place they create. Others value guaranteed access more. Both positions are reasonable.

This debate has been going in circles for ages because no solution makes everyone happy. Turning it into personal attacks just guarantees that continues.

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Originally Posted by Nyastra

I don’t think either side is arguing in bad faith. There are valid pros and cons to wards and instanced housing, and pretending one side is just “griefing” or “fear-mongering” doesn’t actually move the discussion forward.

that uneven rules, timers, or limitations would immediately turn into another “fairness” argument, just a different flavour of the same problem.

I personally prefer wards because I value the shared space, random visits, and sense of place they create. Others value guaranteed access more. Both positions are reasonable.

This debate has been going in circles for ages because no solution makes everyone happy. Turning it into personal attacks just guarantees that continues.

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oh trust me i'd rather have a sensible debate with you cause you seem alright and not dismissive or taking things personal out of fear or spite.
people have a right to be angry or upset though about this system and thats why they come to these forums to air their grievances and ask for an update/change like you said doesn't mean anyone person is right or wrong but this problem was created by the developers themselves and they need to make some adjustments or changes to meet people in the middle and they have not been doing that which is why people are so heated about it and its why we got things like demolition timers and the lotto system cause alot of people not minority a vast number of people came in and made it a big deal.
and thats what my point is people can make a change happen by continuing to use their voices but unfortunately some hate that as you see here on these forums and probably would if you went too reddit too or other spaces but they can't stop change or progress no matter how much they try.
i'm willing to meet the sensible like you in the middle to find a good compromise and to me what that would be is a seperated housing for others who want to have control over when they play and take breaks, for those who want full control over their own instance and never have to look at an eyesore or bot farmer empty plot with locked doors, or to be harassed by people they would rather not see.

if you're okay with just the aesthetic of having a neighborhood then thats okay don't blame you for that if thats more you flavor of concept then by all means don't let me or anyone stop ya from keeping enjoying that. but if you came here to just derail or make light of or make fun of what others would like or want then expect their to be push back against you. civil debate only happens when both parties can agree on something right? an i think most of us can agree that they way in which they've handle housing distribution and acquirement has been in poor taste and not favorable in the least.

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Originally Posted by ShadowyZero

i think most of us can agree that they way in which they've handle housing distribution and acquirement has been in poor taste and not favorable in the least.

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For me, I’d be happy if wards stayed as they are, but alts (or your main) could have instanced housing. That way the shared neighborhood aesthetic isn’t lost, but people who want personal control for their multiple characters could still have it.

That’s honestly my only real desire here, the rest I’m content leaving as-is. Wards for the community, instances for those who want them, no one stepping on anyone else’s experience. Seems like a reasonable middle ground to me.

But I am not a developer and I do not know the practical implications of such a thing so it might entirely be out of reach and it might not. After all, alts can have Island Sanctuary correct? So who knows.

I have 4 characters on one world, since I'm not spending my fortune on fantasias thank you. But unfortunately, only ONE can have a home and neither can the others share in this home aside from the fact that they are not all after the same fashion. At least if each character CAN have an instanced place, then that allows us to do so.

I would still cling to my wards on main though, besides maybe the random chocobo large in shirogane but ya know. To each their own.

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Originally Posted by Nyastra

For me, I’d be happy if wards stayed as they are, but alts (or your main) could have instanced housing. That way the shared neighborhood aesthetic isn’t lost, but people who want personal control for their multiple characters could still have it.

That’s honestly my only real desire here, the rest I’m content leaving as-is. Wards for the community, instances for those who want them, no one stepping on anyone else’s experience. Seems like a reasonable middle ground to me.

But I am not a developer and I do not know the practical implications of such a thing so it might entirely be out of reach and it might not. After all, alts can have Island Sanctuary correct? So who knows.

I have 4 characters on one world, since I'm not spending my fortune on fantasias thank you. But unfortunately, only ONE can have a home and neither can the others share in this home aside from the fact that they are not all after the same fashion. At least if each character CAN have an instanced place, then that allows us to do so.

I would still cling to my wards on main though, besides maybe the random chocobo large in shirogane but ya know. To each their own.

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I find it amusing you're giving the same reasons I have, and yet somehow you're more reasonable. He doesn't understand giving a exact duplicate of housing with 1 set having a demo timer and another isn't is going to cause frustration between players because of the inconsistent application of rules.

But he never addresses that, he just kinda skips over any point and keeps reiterating his own. Its righteousness to the point it cant be questioned, its fanatical.

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Originally Posted by Solowing

I find it amusing you're giving the same reasons I have, and yet somehow you're more reasonable. He doesn't understand giving a exact duplicate of housing with 1 set having a demo timer and another isn't is going to cause frustration between players because of the inconsistent application of rules.

But he never addresses that, he just kinda skips over any point and keeps reiterating his own. Its righteousness to the point it cant be questioned, its fanatical.

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Because it's no longer about the system, it's personal.

And that's why I stated that we should keep this about the system, not about dunking on other posters.

I completely understand that the inconsistent application of rules will cause an uproar even more than there already is, and that's why I am also saying that I don't know how they would fix this. Despite suggestions.

If they eliminate demo timers, people will be mad they can't get homes in wards.
If they keep demo timers and don't have the same for instanced, people will be mad.

What the solution to THIS would be I don't know.

Keep wards = Good and bad
Add instanced = Good and bad

Two sides of the same coin.

And I have to add that I personally feel if you feel so deeply that you deserve a house, then go where a house is available. Whether it be Small Medium or Large.
Don't sit on your server, complaining it's too full, because there are servers that are not. Is this the ideal solution? No. It's not. Because people are established in their FCs and worlds. I get that. In fact I understand that very well as someone who moved from Aether to Primal to Materia and to Chaos, but I had to decide what my priorities were.

It's all good and well we keep yelling that housing needs to change, but what would be the ultimate solution to this where everyone is happy? I've yet to see this because in my very honest opinion, I don't think there is one true and good solution for this at this point. And both sides keep yapping hating on each other instead of saying hold up we kinda have a common goal here but we don't have an actual solution.

Wards should never have existed if they'd want the just make everything instanced solution, but alas, wards did exist first and now we are at a crossroads where people are going to be mad regardless of what happens.

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Originally Posted by Solowing

I find it amusing you're giving the same reasons I have, and yet somehow you're more reasonable. He doesn't understand giving a exact duplicate of housing with 1 set having a demo timer and another isn't is going to cause frustration between players because of the inconsistent application of rules.

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you've been vindictive and uncompromising that is why i won't take you seriously or see things from your point of view and its not just towards me you've done it to everyone who doesn't share your view. if you would have just said "i don't think things should change all that much because i like how things are but i understand why its frustrating for you." then i wouldn't have any beef with you at all but what i get from or see from you instead is: "lol you don't really want a house if you don't give up convenience or comfort to have what you want you're just trolling go play a different game if you can't tolerate not living in tiny room or sitting in endless ques to visit people or active servers you noob.(which btw those ques have been dog poo alot lately cause of the constant Ddos attacks but did you ever take that into consideration? i doubt it cause your attitude suggests the later.) "

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Originally Posted by ShadowyZero

you've been vindictive and uncompromising that is why i won't take you seriously or see things from your point of view and its not just towards me you've done it to everyone who doesn't share your view. if you would have just said "i don't think things should change all that much because i like how things are but i understand why its frustrating for you." then i wouldn't have any beef with you at all but what i get from or see from you instead is: "lol you don't really want a house if you don't give up convenience or comfort to have what you want you're just trolling go play a different game if you can't tolerate not living in tiny room or sitting in endless ques to visit people or active servers you noob.(which btw those ques have been dog poo alot lately cause of the constant Ddos attacks but did you ever take that into consideration? i doubt it cause your attitude suggests the later.) "

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As I expected, you will not address the last point. Youll do anything but actually address a point, but instead run to validating personal attacks on me lol

You are very much trying to pick and choose who you respond to. Anyone who understands my sentiment. You'll try to be nice to them and change their perspective on the first post. And the second and onward, either you wont reply to not pick potential fights. Or you'll start calling them blind/unaware/gatekeeping lol.

The worst part is realizing they agree with my sentiment, and yet your response to me is vitriolic, but they are logical and reasonable arguing the same exact thing I am LOL. You unfortunately cant separate facts from your feelings.

You rather attack me personally trying to use that as cover for "housing feedback" What a sad little man, all over a virtual house.

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Originally Posted by Nyastra

Keep wards = Good and bad
Add instanced = Good and bad

Two sides of the same coin.

And both sides keep yapping hating on each other instead of saying hold up we kinda have a common goal here but we don't have an actual solution.

Wards should never have existed if they'd want the just make everything instanced solution, but alas, wards did exist first and now we are at a crossroads where people are going to be mad regardless of what happens.

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i don't know how long you've been here for or when you started but housing used to be for Free Companies only because in the developers current mind they thought that sharing a space with your friends would be a decent way to promote community and camaraderie but fc drama exists ofc lol an friendships break or people go separate ways so to fix this alienation an frustration they added smaller homes that could be purchased by individuals and added more house wards and then in HW added even more wards to alleviate shortages cause the game was still continuing to grow.
and then in Stormblood they added Shirogane because when there was no other content to do after weekly caps or dailys they would use their houses to spend time with their guilds and friends or take photo's. and then Shadowbringers happened during a time when games like WoW were in free fall an not doing well which lead to a huge migration over into ffxiv which why housing problems became more apparent when they were largely ignored when the playerbase was smaller. lots of talk was going on about housing not just here but all over the internet an that how we got the changing of the placard spawn camping into the lotto as well as timers for demolition, an well during the end of shadowbringers and start of endwalker we got a pandemic which forced more people to stay home often which lead to an even greater boost in the playerbase and the housing system just couldnt take it anymore so they added new servers to the rosters asking people to move to them with housing and a long lasting exp buff as their motivator to move.

@Nyestra
so you see i've been around alot longer then this forum account i have here and have been with this system for as long as its been a thing and seen how its changed. the server hop thing was never about "go to where the houses are" but more so the developers asking us to please stop clogging up the traffic on certain servers so operations can run smoothly it was never offered as solution to the problems people have with the housing system itself but rather to incentivize people to move from their home worlds an stabilize the traffic flow.

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Originally Posted by Solowing

As I expected, you will not address the last point. Youll do anything but actually address a point, but instead run to validating personal attacks on me lol

You are very much trying to pick and choose who you respond to. Anyone who understands my sentiment. You'll try to be nice to them and change their perspective on the first post. And the second and onward, either you wont reply to not pick potential fights. Or you'll start calling them blind/unaware/gatekeeping lol.

The worst part is realizing they agree with my sentiment, and yet your response to me is vitriolic, but they are logical and reasonable arguing the same exact thing I am LOL. You don't even know who's arguing for what anymore, you're running off emotion and angst lol

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i gave you my answer that they could remove timers from your ward system if they added individual instance to single/solo players but you didn't like that answer if you're expecting me to bend over backwards for you you're gunna have to give me a ring, a mansion, and all of your gil sweetie~ i'm not free ;P

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Originally Posted by ShadowyZero

i don't know how long you've been here for or when you started but housing used to be for Free Companies only because in the developers current mind they thought that sharing a space with your friends would be a decent way to promote community and camaraderie but fc drama exists ofc lol an friendships break or people go separate ways so to fix this alienation an frustration they added smaller homes that could be purchased by individuals and added more house wards and then in HW added even more wards to alleviate shortages cause the game was still continuing to grow.
and then in Stormblood they added Shirogane because when there was no other content to do after weekly caps or dailys they would use their houses to spend time with their guilds and friends or take photo's. and then Shadowbringers happened during a time when games like WoW were in free fall an not doing well which lead to a huge migration over into ffxiv which why housing problems became more apparent when they were largely ignored when the playerbase was smaller. lots of talk was going on about housing not just here but all over the internet an that how we got the changing of the placard spawn camping into the lotto as well as timers for demolition, an well during the end of shadowbringers and start of endwalker we got a pandemic which forced more people to stay home often which lead to an even greater boost in the playerbase and the housing system just couldnt take it anymore so they added new servers to the rosters asking people to move to them with housing and a long lasting exp buff as their motivator to move.

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Nyestra: Theres no easy solution to the housing system because its going to create problems of inconsistent rules

Shadowyzero: Heres a history lesson of the wards they added.

Me: He still hasn't addressed a thing about what they said...

@SoloWing
aww are you getting jealous cause i'm talking with another poster now and not giving you all my undivided attention? pshh come on now babe, you're my day 1 we'll always have that special spark ;P
now you want me to answer others queries on your behalf? hmmm.... idk what will i get in return for that amount of humor and tomfoolery?

Definitely needs to change.
We want house hoarders gone.

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Originally Posted by Solowing

Given your solution creates its own set of problems, what is the solution to that issue?

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the solution would be to completely redesign and overhaul the system but of course you don't want that by your own admittance because you want things to remain stagnant and infuriating for the rest of us who don't like this current system. an if they wanted to be really "fair" then all plots would need to be the same size and all plots would need to cost the same baseline price but we can't have that in your world no god no that would ruin housing's "appeal" and "exclusivity" in your own words. :) truth is you dont want a solution and you don't want fairness we've figured you out now Roll, so that begs the question to me are you a house hoarder? a RMT guy? bot farmer? cause you seem to get very upset over the thought of your plots getting taken down a peg or for everyone else having their own homestead

oh fyi the housing issues have now spread like wildfire to the General Forums and guess what? they are clamouring for changes and instance based housing LMAO what do you have to say that now? i guess its not just this little corner anymore now is it? better buckle up Sweetie its now only a matter of time before a developer see our message an then brings to our loving producer Yoshida-san

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Originally Posted by ShadowyZero

the solution would be to completely redesign and overhaul the system but of course you don't want that by your own admittance because you want things to remain stagnant and infuriating for the rest of us who don't like this current system. an if they wanted to be really "fair" then all plots would need to be the same size and all plots would need to cost the same baseline price but we can't have that in your world no god no that would ruin housing's "appeal" and "exclusivity" in your own words. :) truth is you dont want a solution and you don't want fairness we've figured you out now Roll, so that begs the question to me are you a house hoarder? a RMT guy? bot farmer? cause you seem to get very upset over the thought of your plots getting taken down a peg or for everyone else having their own homestead

oh fyi the housing issues have now spread like wildfire to the General Forums and guess what? they are clamouring for changes and instance based housing LMAO what do you have to say that now? i guess its not just this little corner anymore now is it? better buckle up Sweetie its now only a matter of time before a developer see our message an then brings to our loving producer Yoshida-san

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Let’s stop pretending this is about “winning” or dunking on people and bring it back to the system.

No one here is arguing against instanced housing. What’s being said, repeatedly, is that every implementation has trade-offs, and pretending otherwise is disingenuous.

Instanced housing introduces its own fairness issues (timers, size parity, pricing, social visibility). Wards already have fairness issues. Pointing that out is not resistance to change, it’s acknowledging reality.

“Fair” does not mean “everything identical.” Equal price, equal size, equal plots would remove choice, not create it. Some players want small houses. Some want mediums. Some value location or community spaces. That nuance matters.

An overnight overhaul or removal of wards would cause massive disruption, especially on RP-heavy worlds. Square Enix knows this, which is why changes have always been incremental.

For clarity: my forum account age doesn’t reflect how long I’ve been playing or engaging with housing systems. I’ve been around long enough to have experienced multiple iterations of housing and server moves, which is why I’m focused on trade-offs rather than absolutes.

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Originally Posted by ShadowyZero

the solution would be to completely redesign and overhaul the system but of course you don't want that by your own admittance because you want things to remain stagnant and infuriating for the rest of us who don't like this current system. an if they wanted to be really "fair" then all plots would need to be the same size and all plots would need to cost the same baseline price but we can't have that in your world no god no that would ruin housing's "appeal" and "exclusivity" in your own words. :) truth is you dont want a solution and you don't want fairness we've figured you out now Roll, so that begs the question to me are you a house hoarder? a RMT guy? bot farmer? cause you seem to get very upset over the thought of your plots getting taken down a peg or for everyone else having their own homestead

oh fyi the housing issues have now spread like wildfire to the General Forums and guess what? they are clamouring for changes and instance based housing LMAO what do you have to say that now? i guess its not just this little corner anymore now is it? better buckle up Sweetie its now only a matter of time before a developer see our message an then brings to our loving producer Yoshida-san

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"My idea creates its own set of problems? What the solution? Double down on my own idea"

So suddenly it becomes acceptable to ignore a different perspective, while you B&M about S.E doing the same to you lol.

Pot meet kettle.

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Originally Posted by Nyastra

No one here is arguing against instanced housing. What’s being said, repeatedly, is that every implementation has trade-offs, and pretending otherwise is disingenuous.

Instanced housing introduces its own fairness issues (timers, size parity, pricing, social visibility). Wards already have fairness issues. Pointing that out is not resistance to change, it’s acknowledging reality.

“Fair” does not mean “everything identical.” Equal price, equal size, equal plots would remove choice, not create it. Some players want small houses. Some want mediums. Some value location or community spaces. That nuance matters.

which is why I’m focused on trade-offs rather than absolutes.

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but you do need to acknowledge that there have been people against instance based housing you can't just sweep that under the rug an pretend it didn't happen because it did that would be making light of the actions of one side while favoring another.

and here is the thing we don't need trade offs at all like lets both be real here this is videogame not real life we shouldn't apply real life standards too digital properties
videogames are designed with the concept of fun and entertainment in mind they keep our minds occupied an happy. i am not completely oblivious that there are those like yourself that like the neighborhood feel an communal aspect its why i've never advocated for them to be taken away but rather to be changed up differently and handled differently or for there to just be a separate thing for others who just want to own an reside in a house plot of their own.

you see both parties can get what they want without needing to sacrifice anything or give up anything if you think about this more logically we're the paying customers not the other way around after all, we have the power to bargain with the developers.
and then its on the developers to decide if they can spare the resources an time to test things, an plan them out, to decide if the changes or additions can work without bugs or crashes occurring.

when you bring up stuff like there needs to be a Trade-off thats pivoting into a US vs THEM type of narrative an as you said thats not helpful for the discussion an it just leads to further conflicting views.

We can have both have a Fully instanced housing plot for individuals i.e. single instanced zone, and we can keep and maintain shared instances i.e Neighborhoods side by side without the two needing to intersect or overstep eachother. and as i mentioned previously if alot of people switch over to a private instanced that will free up lots of neighborhood homes so those who want to live in the neighborhood home can an if the developers see this then they'll realize there's not really a need for the demolitions timers anymore people will cycle in or out of housing themselves.

but to address your point of fairness, what you're trying to say is you wouldn't like it if players got to choose their plot size right off the bat while the ward users don't have that luxury so what that does then is put as back to again to what i previously said that for it to be more fair then across the whole entire board is a complete redesign an overhaul where all plots are either the same size and same price. the only other alternative to that is to make the land mass itself all one giant size to accommodate every size of plot: Cottage(S) House(M) and Mansion(L)
so this is what i am getting at here is that this problem can not fix itself without drastic change needing to occur do you agree or disagree on on that?

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Originally Posted by Solowing

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Bro said, my idea creates its own set of problems? What the solution? Double down on my own idea, do it anyway... Also *insert personal attack*

Funny how you're demanding S.E fix your plight, but you are completely indifferent to anyone elses... You're high off your own farts.

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aww did i hit a nail on the head? is that why you replied? or do you just like talking to me here endlessly :P trying to derail the thread which Nyastra is trying now to put back on track? is that what it is? someone comes in with civility to actually counter argue while also understanding the frustrations an anger of the opposing side but you can't tolerate that cause it ruins your little grift show?

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Originally Posted by ShadowyZero

and here is the thing we don't need trade offs at all like lets both be real here this is videogame not real life we shouldn't apply real life standards too digital properties
videogames are designed with the concept of fun and entertainment in mind they keep our minds occupied an happy. i am not completely oblivious that there are those like yourself that like the neighborhood feel an communal aspect its why i've never advocated for them to be taken away but rather to be changed up differently and handled differently or for there to just be a separate thing for others who just want to own an reside in a house plot of their own.

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What I’m pushing back on is the idea that instancing automatically removes all conflict or fairness concerns. History shows it doesn’t.

Saying “this is a game, so there don’t need to be trade-offs” ignores the reality of persistent, shared online systems. Housing in FFXIV isn’t a single-player feature, it’s visible, social, finite by design, and for many players, a primary space of escape, creativity, or community. Those qualities inherently introduce constraints and responsibilities, regardless of intent.

I agree that both ward and instanced housing could coexist. Where we differ is that I don’t think this happens without new friction points: size choice, pricing parity, demo rules, social visibility, and perceived value between systems. Those aren’t moral objections, they’re implementation questions that must be answered.

A complete overhaul may be one option, but it’s not the only one, nor is it a guaranteed fix. Square Enix has consistently chosen incremental changes precisely because drastic resets would invalidate years of player investment and community structures, especially on RP-heavy worlds.

So no, I don’t think this “fixes itself” cleanly through drastic change alone. I think it requires acknowledging that any solution will help some players and frustrate others. That doesn’t mean change shouldn’t happen. It means pretending there’s a zero-cost, zero-conflict solution isn’t realistic.

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Originally Posted by ShadowyZero

so this is what i am getting at here is that this problem can not fix itself without drastic change needing to occur do you agree or disagree on on that?

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I’ve already answered this. I don’t agree with the premise that the only viable path forward is a drastic overhaul. I’m explicitly arguing for acknowledging trade-offs and incremental solutions. Whatever SE decides those solutions should be. Framing this as a binary agree/disagree question misrepresents my position.

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Originally Posted by ShadowyZero

aww did i hit a nail on the head? is that why you replied? or do you just like talking to me here endlessly :P trying to derail the thread which Nyastra is trying now to put back on track? is that what it is? someone comes in with civility to actually counter argue while also understanding the frustrations an anger of the opposing side but you can't tolerate that cause it ruins your little grift show?

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Oh no no I'm enjoying this. You are fine with someone who voices my exact sentiment. But you're trying to stay on their good side. Im watching your inconsistent treatment of the same thoughts, from 2 different people.

So please continue, you're running to insult me, while dismissing my perspective. But your running to Nyastra, while avoiding challenging Nyastra's perspective, which is also my perspective as well lol

You keep trying to play the field through language (Us vs them) (Name Calling) (demonetization) and tailored replies.

I realized that several weeks ago. You don't wanna make too many enemies, you are picking and choosing your battles. Even if they don't echo your sentiment. You'll make 1 attempt to change their mind, and if that doesn't work. Either youll start name calling, or avoid addressing them any farther to not turn them against you. Me however? Im unyielding. You aren't going to butter me up and buddy buddy me into changing my perspective.

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Originally Posted by Nyastra

Saying “this is a game, so there don’t need to be trade-offs” ignores the reality of persistent, shared online systems. Housing in FFXIV isn’t a single-player feature, it’s visible, social, finite by design, and for many players, a primary space of escape, creativity, or community. Those qualities inherently introduce constraints and responsibilities, regardless of intent.

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but you do acknowledge that it still would solve some issues though right? even if its not a permanent one its is still considered one. and i have to mention that ffxiv prides itself on being a game for "everyone" its not just a game thats chasing the MMO market but they also try to bring in other demographs too an why wouldnt they? that helps their capita grow by appealing to broader audiences some may not like that sure but having more players playing the game is a positive regardless if they choose to interact socially or not remember that not all people are not the same some have real life problems that make it difficult to try an talk to others should we shun them for that? i don't think so we should just welcome them an let them learn to be more comfortable they'll take that as a sign they can be themselves an be more talkative an join strangers more often if they are shown continuous kindness and fairness.

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I agree that both ward and instanced housing could coexist. Where we differ is that I don’t think this happens without new friction points: size choice, pricing parity, demo rules, social visibility, and perceived value between systems. Those aren’t moral objections, they’re implementation questions that must be answered.
A complete overhaul may be one option, but it’s not the only one, nor is it a guaranteed fix. Square Enix has consistently chosen incremental changes precisely because drastic resets would invalidate years of player investment and community structures, especially on RP-heavy worlds.

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we know that given SE's track record that may be the case that they only do the bare minimal to bring the systems at a cross roads an that may inventively lead to some disgruntled players here and there.
i dont think anything would be invalidated at all rebuilding doesn't mean something was stripped away it just means you can try new ideas from a fresh start an share those ideas with your community to be proud once more that you made something unique or special

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Originally Posted by Nyastra

So no, I don’t think this “fixes itself” cleanly through drastic change alone. I think it requires acknowledging that any solution will help some players and frustrate others. That doesn’t mean change shouldn’t happen. It means pretending there’s a zero-cost, zero-conflict solution isn’t realistic.

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this kinda sounds a little fatalistic sorry but i will disagree with you on this particular point, things change because people push for changes they are pessimistic, they are unrealistic, unhinged, crazy, or visionary people label them names or downplay their conspiracies or theories but some do listen to them an do follow not far behind. if we want to talk realistic then yes change doesn't happen over night it takes months or even years of planning but when it does land it reaches those who supported it. to those that didn't support yes they may be bitter about it for a while but they do come around and overtime accept it and move on with their lives (at least most do.) an better still there are those who will not be affected by the change at all an will just be happy that someone else has found a reason to be happy.
and thats why i say that both side can be happy for eachother that everyone has a house whatever shape of form that takes that only the introduction of new housing or a drastic overhaul to the current would bring about.
you may disagree still on that but you've been respectful toward the points of those frustrated by limitations or inconveniences that SE has yet to address so i will extend that kindness still to you.
we may not reach a middle but i can respect that you're at least coming from a more civil point of view on this an not trying to dunk or trash on anyone's wishes or be disingenuous or discourteous about the problems people do have. so thank you for that.

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Originally Posted by ShadowyZero

but you do acknowledge that it still would solve some issues though right? even if its not a permanent one its is still considered one. and i have to mention that ffxiv prides itself on being a game for "everyone" its not just a game thats chasing the MMO market but they also try to bring in other demographs too an why wouldnt they?

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As I've said before: I’m not arguing against instanced housing — I’ve said from the start that it could help with some issues. What I am saying is that instanced housing, wards, or a combination all have trade-offs: plot size, pricing, demo timers, social visibility, and perceived value. Those trade-offs don’t disappear just because we want them to, and ignoring them doesn’t make the system magically fair. My point isn’t “no change,” it’s that we have to acknowledge reality when proposing solutions.

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Originally Posted by ShadowyZero

we know that given SE's track record that may be the case that they only do the bare minimal to bring the systems at a cross roads an that may inventively lead to some disgruntled players here and there.
i dont think anything would be invalidated at all rebuilding doesn't mean something was stripped away it just means you can try new ideas from a fresh start an share those ideas with your community to be proud once more that you made something unique or special

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Rebuilding from scratch would by definition invalidate existing player investments, plots, furnishings, and neighbourhood structures. That’s exactly why SE opts for incremental adjustments: it preserves progress while improving the system. Fresh starts sound nice in theory, but the consequences are real and affect hundreds of thousands of players.

Saying “it’s just a game, so trade-offs don’t matter” ignores that FFXIV’s housing is persistent, social, and finite and that many systems in the game are purposely designed around fairness, so constraints are built in whether we like it or not.

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Originally Posted by Solowing

Oh no no I'm enjoying this. You are fine with someone who voices my exact sentiment. But you're trying to stay on their good side. Im watching your inconsistent treatment of the same thoughts, from 2 different people.

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jealous eh? didn't think you were the type sweetums~

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I realized that several weeks ago. You don't wanna make too many enemies, you are picking and choosing your battles. Even if they don't echo your sentiment. You'll make 1 attempt to change their mind, and if that doesn't work. Either youll start name calling, or avoid addressing them any farther to not turn them against you. Me however? Im unyielding. You aren't going to butter me up and buddy buddy me into changing my perspective.

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lol well you're going to pleasantly surprised then aren't you? nah who i'm kidding nothing surprises you at this point. we'll just be keeping at this back and fourth for awhile yet cause your bored just like i am at least we have that in common lmao!!!

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Originally Posted by ShadowyZero

i can respect that you're at least coming from a more civil point of view on this an not trying to dunk or trash on anyone's wishes or be disingenuous or discourteous about the problems people do have. so thank you for that.

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Originally Posted by ShadowyZero

Solo Wings/Roll Ryuko's biggest fear: the developers will listen to the screaming majority and abandon further development into the crappy ward hostage holding griefing system.

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You sir are a hypocrite. LOL

But I guess its ok if you're a hypocrite for the "right" reasons...