Forked Tower very unfortunate incident happened and why I'll quit

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Originally Posted by Rizlee

ok good news is i managed to clear as a phantom sniper, bad news is i got kicked out of a few discords that host runs :'(

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Well it's not illegal for discord mods to kick you from their servers.

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Originally Posted by Rizlee

ok good news is i managed to clear as a phantom sniper, bad news is i got kicked out of a few discords that host runs :'(

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There is no hope for the human race. Unfortunately, we share the same data center, but luckily, I know who to perma-ban from any of my parties..lol.

honestly everyone say I snipe them for forked tower when 3 time wasn't even planned and when I wanted to enter got in and just want with it. I don't use discord for content because I just aren't fan of it x)

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Originally Posted by Rizlee

ok good news is i managed to clear as a phantom sniper, bad news is i got kicked out of a few discords that host runs :'(

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I was in the party when you cleared. You didn't take anyone's spot by the way as we were missing members. The discord you cleared with was CBT FYI, though I don't see why you would have been kicked since you joined the server and voice chat.

Eh, in that case OP is fine tho. I think you can absolutely take open spots if you behave and join discord.

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Originally Posted by 0blivion

The amount of raiders with children and/or jobs is, actually, pretty high. They gotta pay the sub, y'know.

e/: And that's why people like OP do not deserve to be in the content. One discord wronged you, and you snipe several others? Yikes.

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Idk why, but almost every single time I read one of your comments, it's almost guaranteed to be a bad take.

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Originally Posted by Shialan

- uses a private Discord server

- gets kicked out of a party created through that private Discord server

- is mad about Square and Yoshi-P

- make it make sense?

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This entire problem is due to poor content design. The ONLY way you can do this content is using a Discord community to get int a group.

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Originally Posted by Rizlee

ok good news is i managed to clear as a phantom sniper, bad news is i got kicked out of a few discords that host runs :'(

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snip a organized run as a freelancer is also an S-tier idea :)

Whining about the behavior of others, but being an even bigger clown yourself. Good double standard!

Congrats on the clear! I'm glad you were able to clear it the way the devs intended. Don't let those discord plebs get you down.

The host that cut you out of the roster 20 minutes before start when you have already committed the time to be there is no better than the deliberate snipers. The courtesy and respect needs to go both ways.

Funny how some of those against sniping are suddenly saying "it's just how it's designed, blame SE" despite calling out that argument when the snipers were making it. Be consistent.

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Originally Posted by Bitmoar

Congrats on the clear! I'm glad you were able to clear it the way the devs intended. Don't let those discord plebs get you down.

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thanks, its very scary trying to do it solo specially with no callouts and without knowing the exact strat the groups are doing, u have to kinda eyeball and know the mechs beforehand and adjust on the fly, 2nd boss onwards its a bit scary as solo because if u make any mistake u can wipe the raid or if u die u wont get any rezz unless the groups are nice and tries to help u out with rezz

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Originally Posted by Rizlee

thanks, its very scary trying to do it solo specially with no callouts and without knowing the exact strat the groups are doing, u have to kinda eyeball and know the mechs beforehand and adjust on the fly, 2nd boss onwards its a bit scary as solo because if u make any mistake u can wipe the raid or if u die u wont get any rezz unless the groups are nice and tries to help u out with rezz

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So did you resub?

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Originally Posted by Shialan

- uses a private Discord server

- gets kicked out of a party created through that private Discord server

- is mad about Square and Yoshi-P

- make it make sense?

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I'm not mad at Yoshi, I'm not sure if he's the guy but I'm defo MAD.
We shouldn't depend on discords to play content.
Why does this content that people have been waiting for in months, maybe years, turn out to be exclusive to a system that requires EXTENSIVE preparation.
This is a game, not a real life job that needs a big commitment.

I feel the same way with the chaotic raid but at least that one has a way to PUG, albeit with SO MUCH HASSLE.

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Originally Posted by tsuchii

We shouldn't depend on discords to play content.

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Baldesion Arsenal is the same discord requiring song and dance, and people still defend it to this day because it's easier to prog due to being able to PF for it.

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Originally Posted by tsuchii

I'm not mad at Yoshi, I'm not sure if he's the guy but I'm defo MAD.
We shouldn't depend on discords to play content.
Why does this content that people have been waiting for in months, maybe years, turn out to be exclusive to a system that requires EXTENSIVE preparation.
This is a game, not a real life job that needs a big commitment.

I feel the same way with the chaotic raid but at least that one has a way to PUG, albeit with SO MUCH HASSLE.

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I 100% agree with you, just look at all other big games they make it as easy as possible for you to enter and start fighting opponents, this is the modern day gaming lifestyle... discords should always be an optional component for people that wants to find more resources such as strategies, best gear, new friends or like-minded peers for slower prog, it should never be a requirement...

I also feel that FT should have never been inside the instance, it should have been in the duty finder alongside chaotic, with some form of prerequisite like phantom job mastery 12, since its meant for organized groups as the content requires strats for body checks, and the instance should have had a more casual-midcore level fight like CLL or Dalriada to make it a fun timesink for people with friends and relatives

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Originally Posted by Volgia

So did you resub?

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i still have 25 days left, now i m wondering if i should resub for 7.3 msq

Alright, time to clear this up, as it was my run this happened in.

OP did not reply to either prog-role ping nor personal ping on discord from their party leader to them. We decided to invite someone else, who was on the way. Then OP wordlessly joined, so we informed them: Sorry, you weren't on time and didn't react. It would be unfair if we removed the backup player now.

OP wished us good luck and left server.

oh hey! i was there

i was also in the run where OP got assigned a utility role (geomancer), after marking it in google form as "i can do that, yes", and then either forgot or refused to place Battle Bell on our knight MT, constantly receiving autos, and decided to bell themselves, keeping it at 1 stack (and still managed to do lower output than knight MT).

and after boss enraged, which, happens, prog points are prog points, - OP mentioned in party chat, that this could've been avoided, if they were tank/samurai; an option yet unavailable in runs for safety.

so please, do not believe anything you see on the internet. kudos for the clear.

pic partially related.https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...17911d0382ae9&

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Originally Posted by Yeems

Alright, time to clear this up, as it was my run this happened in.

OP did not reply to either prog-role ping nor personal ping on discord from their party leader to them. We decided to invite someone else, who was on the way. Then OP wordlessly joined, so we informed them: Sorry, you weren't on time and didn't react. It would be unfair if we removed the backup player now.

OP wished us good luck and left server.

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I mean, regardless of the explanation the fact that the system demands a Discord organization is a bad thing.

It can get hectic, it can get messy, and it really should not be the norm. Optional? Sure. The norm? No.

And this is on SE to fix, they cannot base their game only by how JP community plays it, given that they use PF a lot and we don't.

Even more that as spoken, and as OP spoken of being there 20min earlier, then obvious miscommunication happened here. Which, again, attribute of the hectic need of organizing Discord for 47 people.

Forked Tower and BA are awful systems, simple as.

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Originally Posted by OMGJesuis66

OP spoken of being there 20min earlier

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The thing is, he didn't reply to raid leader pings. We are not mind readers, we can't magically check if the person is actually there or not unless they tell it in chat. Which they didn't. Also raid lead did give them reasoning for replacement.

I feel like OP just hid or twisted some info on purpose just to get a bigger reaction from people. It seems to be the "normal" thing nowadays on the internet.

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Originally Posted by OMGJesuis66

I mean, regardless of the explanation the fact that the system demands a Discord organization is a bad thing.

It can get hectic, it can get messy, and it really should not be the norm. Optional? Sure. The norm? No.

And this is on SE to fix, they cannot base their game only by how JP community plays it, given that they use PF a lot and we don't.

Even more that as spoken, and as OP spoken of being there 20min earlier, then obvious miscommunication happened here. Which, again, attribute of the hectic need of organizing Discord for 47 people.

Forked Tower and BA are awful systems, simple as.

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OP was not there 20 minutes early. They wordlessly joined the voice chat at some point and never replied to pings or questions, as mentioned before. They weren't in their party by the time we wanted to queue, didn't react when asked if they were coming, and didn't inform anyone that they would be a bit later.

Either way, you can hate FT or BA all you want, I just wanted to correct the false information presented by OP. If the system makes players quit the game, all power to them. I don't, however, want us to be blamed for them not taking the time to tell their party leader they were on the way, and then being angry that someone had taken their spot in our premade parties. They weren't excluded from FT, as it is open content. They simply weren't invited in our 48 man party at that specific point anymore.

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Originally Posted by Yeems

OP was not there 20 minutes early. They wordlessly joined the voice chat at some point and never replied to pings or questions, as mentioned before. They weren't in their party by the time we wanted to queue, didn't react when asked if they were coming, and didn't inform anyone that they would be a bit later.

Either way, you can hate FT or BA all you want, I just wanted to correct the false information presented by OP. If the system makes players quit the game, all power to them. I don't, however, want us to be blamed for them not taking the time to tell their party leader they were on the way, and then being angry that someone had taken their spot in our premade parties. They weren't excluded from FT, as it is open content. They simply weren't invited in our 48 man party at that specific point anymore.

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I understand the want to defend yourself, but honestly? There's no need.

I seriously do not believe anyone here would take the people who are organizing those things in bad faith. As I pointed out, it can be hectic. OP can be saying thing with also bad faith, but I do not doubt the organization stress to make groups can lead to mistakes happening once and in a while either.

And even if it didn't happen, as you are reporting, it still doesn't lift the need to defend yourself. You guys are fine, and the community is thankful that you all go out of your way to make those awful SE created systems playable.

Imo, the focus should still remain on the bad system around those contents (Because the content is good, just not the system) and fix it, than turn into a big clash. Because that is the biggest issue in the room.

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Originally Posted by Rizlee

I also feel that FT should have never been inside the instance

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The problem with Delubrum Reginae, normal or savage, is that you can't hang out in the Southern Front or Zadnor (i.e., "Bozja") while waiting for a party to form.

The fact that you enter Forked Tower from Southern Horn, or Baldesion Arsenal from Hydatos, feels thematically appropriate.

Surely, SE ought to be able to implement a system by which N people assembled together via Party Finder can queue into Hydatos, Southern Horn, wherever, together and then queue as a group for some tied-to-the-instance dungeon/raid.

So conclusion from this is:

- Must discord
- If solo try, you are a sniper.

Amusing.

You cannot, by definition, solo try it. You're leeching off of other people's organization and effort. The only way to "solo" try would be to organize 23 randoms within your instance.

Recent posts made it very obvious that OP, much like the other person with their inane thread, is just incapable of properly communicating and took the easy way out. It's pretty glaring.

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Originally Posted by OMGJesuis66

I understand the want to defend yourself, but honestly? There's no need.

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I feel like there's a need when the OP directly mentions this experience being awful and wanting to quit, saying they were not given a reason for it happening and that they assume it was because the person that replaced them was a friend of the lead.

After that, they shared the discord that it occurred in, which would paint it in a negative light during a time when people love to push the 'casual vs hardcore' narrative and the fact forked tower was implemented as it was.

It can cause the reputation of that community to dwindle, and make people not want to be a part of it or run with them if there's a chance they can lose a spot even after doing everything correctly. What is being told is unfair, and it is understandable why someone would be upset over it.

Yes, the issue is how the developers decided to implement this system, but when someone is trying to fan the flames and makes the situation seem worse than it was I believe the other party has the right to defend themselves and try to clarify.

Both of these things can be true.
It's honestly incredibly disappointing how it was handled given how they handled something like CLL, DR, and Dalriada

Had the developers done that again, providing a 'savage' version of one of them, or all of them, then there would not be as many problems and conflict as we have now.

Of course there are a plethora of other discords that run this content, one could argue, but it still doesn't make it right.

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Originally Posted by Rizlee

over the weeks I made it till boss 4 mostly deathless (unless someone in group causes wipes), despite that and signing up early and showing up 20 mins before the specified time, I was removed from party and replaced with someone else... they didnt really give me a valid reason but most likely they replaced me with one of their friend, but yea this community really isn't as welcoming as it was pre endwalker and they only want u in to fill as bodies to reach their goals...

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Originally Posted by Rizlee

double edge discord in chaos

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Originally Posted by pirosigma

oh hey! i was there

i was also in the run where OP got assigned a utility role (geomancer), after marking it in google form as "i can do that, yes", and then either forgot or refused to place Battle Bell on our knight MT, constantly receiving autos, and decided to bell themselves, keeping it at 1 stack (and still managed to do lower output than knight MT).

and after boss enraged, which, happens, prog points are prog points, - OP mentioned in party chat, that this could've been avoided, if they were tank/samurai; an option yet unavailable in runs for safety.

so please, do not believe anything you see on the internet. kudos for the clear.

pic partially related.https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...17911d0382ae9&

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not true, our party mt wasnt receiving any autos in that specific run and the bell wud have had no effect other than raidwides, i do give bell and the heal effect on mt when i see them taking autos in the enmity list and u can go ahead and ask the other ppl who progged with me

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Originally Posted by Yeems

OP was not there 20 minutes early. They wordlessly joined the voice chat at some point and never replied to pings or questions, as mentioned before. They weren't in their party by the time we wanted to queue, didn't react when asked if they were coming, and didn't inform anyone that they would be a bit later.

Either way, you can hate FT or BA all you want, I just wanted to correct the false information presented by OP. If the system makes players quit the game, all power to them. I don't, however, want us to be blamed for them not taking the time to tell their party leader they were on the way, and then being angry that someone had taken their spot in our premade parties. They weren't excluded from FT, as it is open content. They simply weren't invited in our 48 man party at that specific point anymore.

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not true at all, i was in vc 20 mins earlier since u ppl usually post passwords 15 min prior, and i joined the party as soon as i see the passwords in discord, i was sitting in the party way ahead of the scheduled time and despite that u kicked me and replaced with someone else, u r just playing the victim card and blaming it on me since u wanna save face on the internet

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Originally Posted by Rizlee

not true at all, i was in vc 20 mins earlier since u ppl usually post passwords 15 min prior, and i joined the party as soon as i see the passwords in discord, i was sitting in the party way ahead of the scheduled time and despite that u kicked me and replaced with someone else, u r just playing the victim card and blaming it on me since u wanna save face on the internet

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I don't feel victimized, I'm simply annoyed you're painting the story in a light that makes it seem like you were violently forced out of Fork Tower or pushed into uninstalling the game by a whole community, when in reality, you're mad at me personally for making a decision you didn't like, and now you try to discredit an entire group of people, who had absolutely nothing to do with me deciding to replace at the time I did.
You had been part of multiple runs in our server before that day, it's not like you weren't aware of us sometimes queueing ahead of the scheduled time to try and mitigate clashing with other communities. As I said on that specific time, there were something around four or five groups total queueing at that moment due to it being a Saturday evening.

But then, you're deciding to lie about the Battle Bell situation, where you did in fact put it on yourself rather than the main tank for the majority of the fight, so at this point who knows who is trying to "save face on the internet" here.

Good morning,

Just one thing concerning the OP mentioning "this community is not welcoming as pre-Endwalker and just wants bodies to fill etc...."

As a matter.of fact the mentioned discord did not even exist pre-Endwalker. It was made in November 2023 as an undersized BA server. And I created the server and then we moved on hosting BA there after the biggest Chaos BA server stopped offering runs.

So tldr - this server did not exit in ShB.

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Originally Posted by DullahanDuinn

So tldr - this server did not exit in ShB.

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I think bro was talking about the FF14 community as a whole not your discord :fire: :wilted_rose:

I can see that option. But in that case simply splitting these two unrelated facts is the way. Back to my brekkie.

Toodles.

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Originally Posted by Yeems

I don't feel victimized, I'm simply annoyed you're painting the story in a light that makes it seem like you were violently forced out of Fork Tower or pushed into uninstalling the game by a whole community, when in reality, you're mad at me personally for making a decision you didn't like, and now you try to discredit an entire group of people, who had absolutely nothing to do with me deciding to replace at the time I did.
You had been part of multiple runs in our server before that day, it's not like you weren't aware of us sometimes queueing ahead of the scheduled time to try and mitigate clashing with other communities. As I said on that specific time, there were something around four or five groups total queueing at that moment due to it being a Saturday evening.

But then, you're deciding to lie about the Battle Bell situation, where you did in fact put it on yourself rather than the main tank for the majority of the fight, so at this point who knows who is trying to "save face on the internet" here.

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u think ppl here are stupid that they dont understand wat it means to be in the finalized roster? u think ppl here not understand who gets priority between the main roster and a backup player? that too 20 mins in advance?

everyone's time in ur discord is more important except me ofcourse especially a backup player according to ur logic since i get the kick for watever excuses u r giving, and i think u shud just save urself the embarrassment of defending urself of ur poor management of the runs, its the dev's fault for putting me in this situation in the first place

The said run you were getting "kicked for a friend" was scheduled at 19ST.

You were pinged at 18:26 from the prog role, aswell as personally pinged by your partyleader at 18:37 to join your party.
Another 10 minutes go by without you beeing in your party or saying you were on your way to join it (i do not know about voicechat, if you joined or said anything about beeing there in a moment).

At 18:46 the backup pepople were pinged to fill slots from people who did not respond to either of those pings, it would have been fine if you simply informed the raidleader or partyleader of your estimated time of arrival.

At 18:52 you asked the raidleader why you were kicked off the roster, while still not beeing in your party, which they have given you a reason - not giving them any reason to belive you were here and ready on time, aswell as trying to queue before another 5 groups started queuing who were also scheduled at 19ST - after that, you left the discord without a word, just wishing the raidgroup goodluck.

If you want screenshots of said timestamps, i can provide them.

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Originally Posted by Yeems

Alright, time to clear this up, as it was my run this happened in.

OP did not reply to either prog-role ping nor personal ping on discord from their party leader to them. We decided to invite someone else, who was on the way. Then OP wordlessly joined, so we informed them: Sorry, you weren't on time and didn't react. It would be unfair if we removed the backup player now.

OP wished us good luck and left server.

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Oh, who would have thought that the OP would present a biased, skewed point just to farm a few pitty internet points. I can't never..LOL.

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Originally Posted by Yeems

I don't feel victimized, I'm simply annoyed you're painting the story in a light that makes it seem like you were violently forced out of Fork Tower or pushed into uninstalling the game by a whole community, when in reality, you're mad at me personally for making a decision you didn't like, and now you try to discredit an entire group of people, who had absolutely nothing to do with me deciding to replace at the time I did.
You had been part of multiple runs in our server before that day, it's not like you weren't aware of us sometimes queueing ahead of the scheduled time to try and mitigate clashing with other communities. As I said on that specific time, there were something around four or five groups total queueing at that moment due to it being a Saturday evening.

But then, you're deciding to lie about the Battle Bell situation, where you did in fact put it on yourself rather than the main tank for the majority of the fight, so at this point who knows who is trying to "save face on the internet" here.

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@op I was about to be with you until I saw this absolute cinema.

so you have issue with one random part of the community and it becomes grievances about DRK if you didn't like DRK should have taken a break from FF til you saw stuffs you liked about the rework if not just tsopped playing all together but here you are in goofy content in field ops? FT is not worth running until they fix it and you're crashing out because you could not clear it this one time?

Embarrassing

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Originally Posted by Rizlee

not true, our party mt wasnt receiving any autos in that specific run and the bell wud have had no effect other than raidwides, i do give bell and the heal effect on mt when i see them taking autos in the enmity list and u can go ahead and ask the other ppl who progged with me

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so, like. ask myself and our tank. and 5 more people from our party. and the raid leader, who was in our alliance as well. because those are precisely the people with whom you progged this exact run, as stated in my message earlier

also, granted to [redacted calculator website that shalt not be named], all actions can be double- and even triple-checked, and, unfortunately, this works as a lie detector as well of some sorts

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Originally Posted by Rizlee

everyone's time in ur discord is more important except me ofcourse especially a backup player according to ur logic since i get the kick for watever excuses u r giving, and i think u shud just save urself the embarrassment of defending urself of ur poor management of the runs, its the dev's fault for putting me in this situation in the first place

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so it's the dev's fault that you didn't type anything in any chat channel either? also, uh, you can't really get kicked from anywhere if you're not present, last i checked. might be wrong

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Originally Posted by Rizlee

u think ppl here are stupid that they dont understand wat it means to be in the finalized roster? u think ppl here not understand who gets priority between the main roster and a backup player? that too 20 mins in advance?

everyone's time in ur discord is more important except me ofcourse especially a backup player according to ur logic since i get the kick for watever excuses u r giving, and i think u shud just save urself the embarrassment of defending urself of ur poor management of the runs, its the dev's fault for putting me in this situation in the first place

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I don't think people here are stupid, which is why I'm confident they will have figured out by now you are blowing your anger about a personal decision by one person completely out of proportion to badmouth an entire discord community that does their best to provide organized runs of FT.

It doesn't matter how many times you call it excuses or pretend that I'm embarrassing myself, because matter of fact is I do not regret the decision I made. Neither do I owe you anything, nor do I feel a need to feel bad about making the executive decision to remove you from our parties, especially seeing that your communication skills seem limited to furious forum rants where you shout half truths at anyone willing to listen and pity you.

As was mentioned by someone else, there are timestamps of when what was said, and seeing as I was in the voice chat, I can add that you did not announce yourself there or give us any piece of information on your arrival.

It's perfectly fine that you disagree with my type of management of runs and do not wish to join under those circumstances, but don't make it the problem of the entire rest of the server who are just trying to do the content in peace, by namedropping the entire community name or making of stories about how "a friend was brought in."

Oh, here. One more drama that proves that you should ALWAYS take the time to research both sides of a story before making up your mind.

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Originally Posted by Merrigan

Oh, here. One more drama that proves that you should ALWAYS take the time to research both sides of a story before making up your mind.

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Where's the fun in that?
it's also just he said she said