Incapacitation in 2.0

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Originally Posted by Estellios

Like 90% of the incaps that are currently in-game not only have no visible change on the enemy, they don't seem to much, if anything, for doing it

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No, all incaps were worth it, the problem is like with medicine (someone requested we get medicine we already have) the general playerbase didn't care for it.

Incap chimera > go the fuck to town.

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Originally Posted by Valmonte

Heat it up with fire, shatter it with ice :D.

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Originally Posted by NefGP

I would LOVE to see some kind of elemental synergy implemented. For example, if you hit a mob with some water magic, and then follow up with Lightning, it will do extra damage. But that might be too complicated to handle in an MMO I dunno ^^; (At the very least, I'd like to see BLM have access to all elements instead just the basic 3)


Glad to see magic can incapacitate now as well. This could create some interesting applications for Ninja - perhaps make Ninjutsu specifically designed for enfeebling or quick incapacitation? It would certainly fit with the Assassin motif of the job. It also helps with job overlap, which was a bit of a problem in FFXI - too many jobs filling the same role with slightly different flavor.

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Would be nice if specific elements are used to trigger incapacitations on targets. Like having thunder spells being able to split the horns off enemies (head), and Fire magic being able to 'burn' the upper limbs of enemies, Ice magic when comboed could hinder enemy movement/change the monsters behaviour (most likely lower limbs), etc. Would give incentive to use all the elements rather than just having to shout THUNDAGAAAA 24/7 (Heck even if the mobs doesn't have weakness to the certain element, the incaps could make it worthwhile).

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Originally Posted by Elexia

No, all incaps were worth it, the problem is like with medicine (someone requested we get medicine we already have) the general playerbase didn't care for it.

Incap chimera > go the fuck to town.

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Pretty much. Through incapacitation Monk was able to safely be included in that fight, no longer having to worry about that dreadful poision.

Thank you for the reply Okipuit, I really appreciate the further confirmation. Hopefully the team has some really creative ideas for Incapacitation.

This sounds awesome!! Can't wait to esperience it!!

Perhaps there can be jobs that are better suited for monster incapacitation, giving them more abilities to exploit these things, such as Samurai or Dark Knight for Physical incapacitation and Red Mage for Magical.

Of course, everyone can do this. There would just be a job that has a bigger chance than others. I think Samurai might be the best fit for this since they're a more tactical job and Dragoon already seems more Skill-heavy. That would let them have their unique purpose in parties.

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Originally Posted by Kagato

Perhaps there can be jobs that are better suited for monster incapacitation, giving them more abilities to exploit these things, such as Samurai or Dark Knight for Physical incapacitation and Red Mage for Magical.

Of course, everyone can do this. There would just be a job that has a bigger chance than others. I think Samurai might be the best fit for this since they're a more tactical job and Dragoon already seems more Skill-heavy. That would let them have their unique purpose in parties.

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this would lead to favoritism and exclusion of classes from partys and runs.

Okay, I just suffered a huge case of Deja Vu .. isn't 'limb' targeting something which V1 was supposed to have, along with character/mob positioning like 'side' attacks?

Or am I dreaming?

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Originally Posted by Kagato

Perhaps there can be jobs that are better suited for monster incapacitation, giving them more abilities to exploit these things, such as Samurai or Dark Knight for Physical incapacitation and Red Mage for Magical.

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No, just no.

We don't need the insanity in Abyssea .. "only jobs capable of proccing red/green/blue/rainbow required" .. applied to XIV V2 thanks.

Job shouldn't be homogenised, but haven't we learned innumerable times in XI that events, fights, whatever where only the 'chosen few' jobs having such-and-such a specific skill are needed is a Bad Thing, forcing players to level jobs they hate simply to be able to be 'wanted' for critical-path encounters?

I would like to go off topic ever so slightly, but regarding the small enemies that don't really have parts to incap, would it be possible to stagger them then launch the buggers into the air, ala XIII?

Could we launch things like Marmots and bombs then have attacks where melees jump in the air and attack?

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Originally Posted by KraggyKor

Okay, I just suffered a huge case of Deja Vu .. isn't 'limb' targeting something which V1 was supposed to have, along with character/mob positioning like 'side' attacks?

Or am I dreaming?

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Your not dreaming and the original list of abilities that included which area it targeted for damage were actually well suited for the roles they were supposedly made to be like skullsunder targeted the head when that area was hit (and still does for those that farm goat horns know) and when your tanking it the head is normally right there. I don't believe any of the limb targeting moves were removed but i could be wrong. But as Elexia said people just choose to skip it. Just like the original ogre strategy of forcing a back drop and dodging so you get a free 10~15 sec window of going crazy on it before you have to get back into tank formation was left by the wayside until it was required IE Ifrit EX with the horns (which I believe people duck that as well closer to the last save choosing to focus on more output of damage instead of ensuring high chance of survival from lower hellfire damage). Now the visible damage was removed from alot of the mobs to reduce server stress but I know goats horns still get broken and skeletons heads are still removed from skullsunder if hit enough times because even if you break the damage cap for it many of them require getting hit twice.

I think the design team is still interested in it but I could be wrong but if you look at some of the mob designs you see a part break down like with tiamat and damaged design for Leviathan

http://conceptartworld.com/wp-conten...sy_XIV_06a.jpg

The red sections while could be highlighted because they will have a animation besides that of movement but it does seem like breakable sections

http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy...an_Artwork.jpg

And unless Leviathan looses pieces when he rages it's chest head and tentacle like extremity are all broken.

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Originally Posted by NefGP

I would LOVE to see some kind of elemental synergy implemented. For example, if you hit a mob with some water magic, and then follow up with Lightning, it will do extra damage. But that might be too complicated to handle in an MMO I dunno ^^; (At the very least, I'd like to see BLM have access to all elements instead just the basic 3)

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Glad magic incapacitation has a big role to play now, but BLM won't get access to Water/Aero/Stone because those are "Astral" elements, which is why only WHM can use them =/ I hope they re-evaluate that, but I don't think they will.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

"Were"? We did/do xD.

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Ya, I know for the little monsters and some HNM. But wasn't it supposed to be even more than that?

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Originally Posted by Fantasia

Water/Aero/Stone because those are "Astral" elements, which is why only WHM can use them =/

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Water, Ice and Stone are Umbral elements. Air, Fire, and Lightning are Astral elements.
Conjurer can use natural elements, elements of life. Water, Earth, and Air.
Thaumaturge can use elements that destroy, elements of death. Fire, Ice, and Lightning.

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Good evening!

We checked in with the monster team and they let us in on some interesting incapacitation details!

In A Realm Reborn it will be possible to incapacitate some bosses and this will play a role in the overall battle strategy. As an example, we are currently looking into features where if you break off a monster's horn, their attack pattern will change, etc.

We are also reviewing options that allow users to target parts of the monster that can be incapacitated and make it so the graphics will change if you successfully incapacitate that part.

Finally, incapacitation can be accomplished through both physical attacks and magic attacks. :)

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Um looking into changing attack patterns?

Isn't this already the case for Ifrit Extreme? Bad game, have bad dev.

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Originally Posted by Stufoo

Water, Ice and Stone are Umbral elements. Air, Fire, and Lightning are Astral elements.
Conjurer can use natural elements, elements of life. Water, Earth, and Air.
Thaumaturge can use elements that destroy, elements of death. Fire, Ice, and Lightning.

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Ah yes, you're right. I assumed it was the other way so that BLM uses Umbral elements whereas WHM controls the Astral elements.

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Originally Posted by Xmbei

this would lead to favoritism and exclusion of classes from partys and runs.

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ARR has a system that works against this, it'd take a special kind of asshole usually of the end-game variety to exclude jobs on the new system.

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Originally Posted by Kagato

Perhaps there can be jobs that are better suited for monster incapacitation, giving them more abilities to exploit these things, such as Samurai or Dark Knight for Physical incapacitation and Red Mage for Magical.

Of course, everyone can do this. There would just be a job that has a bigger chance than others. I think Samurai might be the best fit for this since they're a more tactical job and Dragoon already seems more Skill-heavy. That would let them have their unique purpose in parties.

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Yeah, no thanks. I think they're good sticking with the specific skills hurt specific parts system, or at least that those do significantly more damage than all others with limb targeting. Your suggestion would only allow Samurai to have a unique position in parties. The current system allows all classes/jobs to have a unique position in parties depending on the monster.

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Originally Posted by Xmbei

this would lead to favoritism and exclusion of classes from partys and runs.

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I would really enjoy fights that were ballanced for every class, for instance a MNK or a BRD was practically useless vs Ifrit.

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Originally Posted by Cedri

I would really enjoy fights that were ballanced for every class, for instance a MNK or a BRD was practically useless vs Ifrit.

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More specifically, a useless MNK and BRD were useless against Ifrit.

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Originally Posted by Siegtaru

Incapacitation via magic? Finally ;D

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Yay, now meee can have even less purpose

It's great magic will count this time, but I think SE should make it more interesting. SE should make it so we can combine two spells and make magic burst (not like in FFXI, where weapon skills make MB).

Awesome /10char