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Originally Posted by Astronema
All WoW has to do is add Kitsune / Fox Girls and XIV is doomed, Give them super hq models and it'll bring all the boys to the yard.
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03-16-2025, 11:42 PMAshtonCrowe
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03-17-2025, 12:32 AMXapapetsu
I'll say this, you can't trust blizzard devs to follow through with what they claim. Prime example overwatch 2.
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03-17-2025, 12:40 AMSupersnow845I’d rather devs that promise 100% and end up delivering 70% than devs that promise nothing and somehow send us backwards every second patchQuote:
Originally Posted by Xapapetsu
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03-17-2025, 01:17 AMAshtonCrowe
https://youtu.be/Mqdg6kVF7zk (Warframe)
Warframe has had this for years, You can think of it? It can be made and no scarcity of ownership you just need to pay the initial founding fee + your stuff stays if you stop playing for a couple months, I still have a ton of stuff unfunded in my Ps4 solo dojo. (Warframe End)
https://youtu.be/siCFkbl9sVc (WoW)
What WoW is working on, SE still clueless . . This system if its even 30% of what's shown will completely blow XIV's version outta the water. (WoW End)
https://youtu.be/jDQYbGwVdcQ (Guild Wars)
Then we have Guildwars, Which is just another middle finger cause XIV's ain't even close (Guild war 2 end)
https://youtu.be/eJjlKWZjnxg (Mabinogi)
Y'all remember that old anime mmorpg called "Mabinogi"? Even that has better housing systems. (Mabinogi End)
https://youtu.be/anByAnxx8EA (XIV)
Meanwhile, We are STILL dealing with issues from 2 years ago regarding housing, Are still using outdated construction methods, Still unable to save presets, Unable to modify EVERYTHING only some things are modifiable.
They should replace all housing zone musics with https://youtu.be/NNv2RHR62Rs until further notice. -
03-17-2025, 02:40 AMBastealaOh a scandal might change that. It's easy to boycott a game you're already unhappy with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wired-Lain
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03-17-2025, 02:52 AMRolder50Another thing that would launch WoW into the stratosphere is an actual scene for cosmetic mods.Quote:
Originally Posted by AshtonCrowe
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03-17-2025, 03:15 AMRed-thunderThere is a genius in the way SE presents their promises.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supersnow845
They promise extremely vague ideas like "better encounter design" that is prone to all sorts of interpretation and leave people to fill in the blanks.
Then when the real thing comes and it was disappointing, the vagueness allows them to get away with it because they never promise anything concrete. The white knights are sicced on the community and use the refrain that "they never actually promised that" as a baton to discipline the rowdy unhappy population. -
03-17-2025, 05:55 AMRithy255As someone who actually still plays overwatch 2 I can say at least the game tries new stuff and sometimes does actually deliver a lot of the time (Yes PVP was a big loss but it being repurposed into stadium actually feels more interesting to me). The game gets a bad rep but despite that I actually do see the devs try to listen to the playerbase when they mess up. I don't want to defend ow2 here but if you were to ask me which game I'm more hype about currently it would easily be ow2 Unironically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xapapetsu
With ff14 it's mostly radio silence and avoiding to listen to any sort of possible negative feedback, I doubt they will even address the black mage changes anytime soon, the only hope we have is that 8.0 will somehow fix the mess of job design and that occult crescent will hold us over until 8.0 -
03-17-2025, 03:32 PMAshtonCroweQuote:
Originally Posted by Red-thunder
And the sad thing is, People still haven't clued in. Years of them doing the same stuff with no exception and people take everything SE says as gospel, They're just overworked that's why "X" is missing!!!!!!
Atleast now some of the turbo white knights are starting to see the writing on the wall and leave for other games, Zepla used to CONSTANTLY spit shine Yoship's boots but now can't stand him half the time.
You know it's bad when your biggest shills can't defend you. -
03-17-2025, 04:47 PMRolder50That’s not even necessary since WoW added Warbands, which makes anything relevant shareable across all characters. Between that and how easy leveling alts is there, having multiple characters is actually better, since they all have different loot lockoutsQuote:
Originally Posted by Astronema
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03-17-2025, 09:03 PMSylphariaBased on how they acted for the last few years there isn't much pretending now is there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nadda
Indeed, they looked at the market, saw the strong suits of competitors and decided to implement it into the game. A strategy 14 should try to adopt once in a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nadda
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03-17-2025, 09:20 PMAshtonCroweSquare Enix - YoshiP . . Adapt to a competitor for once? That'll be the day! Yoshi is living in his own little world with an ego through the roof, Criticism? From anyone that isn't my echo chamber? Impossible, Just haters!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylpharia
. . Anyways, I'm a simple man. I see bnuy? I pet bnuy.
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03-18-2025, 01:13 AMAuro_SeldarisArthars said in his Save Point podcast with Quazi that Yoshida doesn't want FFXIV to be the BEST MMO, that is not his goal, and I completely agree with it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fagotura
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03-18-2025, 09:58 PMAshtonCroweYoshi is just concerned with making it passable enough that people accept it, Everything else is just . . "Not my problem!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Auro_Seldaris
Oh, You don't think game has enough content? Go play something else :^) BUT Don't forget to stay subbed or your house is GONE MFKER -
03-18-2025, 10:28 PMKazuke_MisoThat's actually beyond sad. Did they start with that attitude? Or is this something recent?Quote:
Originally Posted by Auro_Seldaris
Honestly I can't imagine having so little ambition. Maybe he needs some testosterone therapy LOL -
03-18-2025, 10:37 PMNegativeS"Doesn't want to be the best"Quote:
Originally Posted by Auro_Seldaris
Yea, he wants it to be the most profitable so the shareholders don't peel him like a cenobite. Gameplay quality is always second to money, and the current content release/maintenance schedule is pretty much optimal money-to-effort. -
03-18-2025, 10:42 PMMisutoraruThe start out quite enthusiastic, saving the mess of 1.0 to become ARR required a lot of work and commitment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazuke_Miso
Just when the game get bigger and bigger, yet the team don’t get expanded.
More playable races to model, more jobs to balance, more mechanics to add.
From what I read in the forum, not only the dev team didn’t get expand they actually got more projects. -
03-19-2025, 10:29 PMAshtonCrowe
I don't believe them when they say 1.0 is the reason why (X)
WoW has been going for years, Has no issues constantly adding new mechanics, New options, Updating old systems, Taking content from other games, ETC
It's not a 1.0 issue it's a "I don't feel like putting that effort in" issue, You make hand over fist in revenue from all your options you can afford to innovate. -
03-19-2025, 11:29 PMLizzit
just unsub then dude no one is forcing you to keep playing. Also these changes aren't going to happen instantaneous, what we're seeing in WoW is probably because of a response to when all the WoW players migrated to FFxiv and now they're implementing strategies to get them back. It's just the ebb and flow of the market, competition creates better products. Give it time and SE will respond with their own strategies. It's not gonna happen overnight it's a video game and a massive one at that. It's not gonna take a couple of patches to fix everything. Am i saying ffxiv is the most perfect game ever? no i'm hardly done with hw post quests but i'm really enjoying my time so far. Also I don't think dawntrail was supposed to be some revolutionary expansion. From my understanding, endwalker was the end of a huge story arc so where do you even take the story after that?
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03-19-2025, 11:40 PMSupersnow845To be fair how would you know about the flow of the games feedback if you started so recently you are in HWQuote:
Originally Posted by Lizzit
Like “you can’t fix it overnight”
Sure but some of these criticisms are 5 years old and they have been completed ignored -
03-20-2025, 08:36 PMKazuke_Misoyou ain't even playing the same game (endgame) as everyone else LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Lizzit
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03-21-2025, 02:55 AMAshtonCroweLmao, As if that person is in HW and is talking about Dawntrail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazuke_Miso
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03-21-2025, 02:57 AMAshtonCroweDon't talk till you're in Endwalker at minimum my guy, You don't know what you're even talking about if you're in Heavensward. Spend less time on the forums, SE will not give you a cheaper sub for defending old content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lizzit
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03-21-2025, 03:16 AMAuro_SeldarisNot trying to bash you, you're new and you're having fun. But, people are being characterized as "Demanding and impatient with SE" when in reality, many of these issues are chronic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lizzit
Viera, for example, were made playable in Shadowbringers, almost 6 years ago. When they were released, they were unable to wear hats. Or glasses. Despite SE knowing this was an issue with players, and despite players continually being frustrated and annoyed and requesting this be fixed on the forums and elsewhere... SE continues to release headgear that Viera - and Hrothgar, by the way - cannot wear.
For six years.
Some of it coming with expensive cash shop purchases that Viera and Hrothgar are somewhat being shafted on, since they can't even use the full purchase. This is especially galling when a modder can datamine out the gear, and mod it to be usable with Viera/Hroth, sometimes before it's even officially released. The only way any significant amount of headgear was made wearable by buns and tigers was that some of the devs took it upon themselves to work on making it usable for Viera/Hroths without Yoshida's authorization or permission, most likely after hours or in their own free time, which is an absolutely pathetic situation.
It's been a known and ongoing issue for 6 years now, people have given them enough time and patience over this issue. I know you're trying to be optimistic, but, on certain issues, you don't know what you're talking about.
Again, I'm glad you're enjoying yourself, I really am. However, that doesn't mean there aren't massive, ongoing problems that are being ignored by the dev team. -
03-21-2025, 06:00 AMDPZ2
To the OP:
It seems more like two companies going down similar, but separate, paths, neither a competition nor a There Can Be Only One moment. -
03-21-2025, 06:21 AMZarkovitch
WOW have to suffer to get good and microsoft loves to close studio. So blizzard have step it up for theyre sake. Good for them.
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03-21-2025, 06:45 AMKazuke_MisoSomehow the biggest white knights of this game are people who haven't even finished the MSQ.Quote:
Originally Posted by AshtonCrowe
There was another guy a while back who not only did not finish the MSQ but argued that there was content because they were doing the MSQ 4 times on different alts (and did not finish any of them). Like be for real rn LMAO -
03-21-2025, 07:57 AMgrinkdaboy
yeah this is my big thing with xiv is that it just has not innovated at all. back when i started playing in earnest in 2018 the appeal to me was that it was better than bfa and the developers didn't have this mentality of being hostile towards players in how they designed things (forced grinds, excessive timegating, character specific progression vs player progression) and now that those issues have been worked on and improved, xiv is still kind of the same. the biggest changes to endgame progression i've seen is that they added chest coffers to the 3rd floor fight and reduced the price of buying stuff with pages. criterion/savage dungeons were an interesting experiment but they forgot to put anything in them to motivate players into doing them until the last one.
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03-21-2025, 11:20 PMGunz_ZbestestThis is why they have dividers at the public restrooms. Keep your eyes on the road buddy. No wonder why some people can't aim properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazuke_Miso
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03-22-2025, 03:01 AMDakimakuraWoW is definitely not an example of how long it takes to "course correct ". They have shown that they can be just as out of touch and stubborn on changing things for the players benefit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nadda
Housing is just one positive thing it's done out of the many other things it does that still turn people from playing or even returning. (Lore butchering and character assassination of long time favourites)
If people don't start asking for innovation in FFXIV now, then you can't really expect much more than the status quo.
People have every right to compare 2 of the biggest MMORPGs on the market competing for a ever shrinking user base, those still willing to pay a sub for a single game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kandraxx
FFXIV should start taking things that WoW has done well and try and make it work. I would love "Job set bonuses" to gear that uniquely alter or change how jobs play for example. Saying "IT CANT/SHOULDN'T BE DONE!" is how you get the same standard of content while your competitors take your stuff and make it better. -
03-22-2025, 10:39 AMBoblawblah
It can run as many laps as it wants. The problem with WoW is...well, it's WoW.
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03-22-2025, 10:50 AMOliverQ
I played WoW for a long time, but going back to it recently, I just can't handle those cartoon graphics anymore. I way way prefer FFXIV's graphic style.
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03-22-2025, 11:24 AMThaciscokiddThis is right. People need to remember that WoW has been dying since TBC. It took WoD to make the player base realise that they didn't have to stay for it and Shadowlands when there was another place to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nadda
WoW being good right now, even if you don't intend on playing it, is perfect for 14 fans who want better thing for 14. 14 being so good saved WoW because players had a place to go during Shadowlands vs WoD and enough of them did to get Blizz to course correct. If WoW was still in a bad spot Squenix would have to power just like WoW has had for so many years.
Where at the point where people take any complaints about 14 as a personal attack and that is just weird. Some people need to get off there high horse and realise that someone being critical with complaints means that they still care about the game and want it to get better. When someone wants something fixed they're gonna complain, you should worry when you do the same thing and they don't complain anymore its usually a good sign that they have given up. -
03-22-2025, 02:44 PMWired-LainWell... No not really. Wrath was enormous. The playerbase peaked there and it only started dipping with MoP (which was the expansion that served as the basis for Yoshi Ps reinvention of XIV), with only Legion coming close to those Wrath levels again. The game started dying with the one two punch of BFA and Shadowlands being terrible, but it recovered to a stable place thanks to Classic being a huge success and Dragonflight being pretty decent. We'll probably never see subscriber counts like Wrath again though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thaciscokidd
I will say though that while it took blizzard forever to eat humble pie and admit maybe they were wrong the course correction when it happened was pretty swift and sweeping. Comparing Shadowlands to Dragonflight its a whole other game on almost every level. These dramatic changes in philosophy and design can happen, and happen fast. I just don't want to see XIV take babysteps for 8.0 yknow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dakimakura
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03-22-2025, 03:25 PMThaciscokiddQuote:
Originally Posted by Wired-Lain
I know that it was a meme. I wish the OG WoW forums were still around so people could re experience the level of unhinged posts about BE's coming to the Horde and how they were going to ruin the Horde and now they're the most played race in the game.
Reminiscing aside, that meme (before WoD) is what people would point to dismiss people complaints as nonsense, I don't want FF 14 players to do that with people that voice complaints. -
03-22-2025, 04:18 PMNadda
I’ll say this much: I do have confidence things will get better.
And no, saying that isn’t copium. It’s not worshiping at the altar of Yoshi-P, either—whatever that’s supposed to make me. You’ve got to believe things can improve and still have a critical lens. One doesn’t cancel out the other.
But this constant mourning, this vitriolic tone everywhere? That’s wasted energy. I get where people are coming from; I even agree with most of the points. But the package people are putting it in? It’s ugly. It’s demoralizing. And honestly, it’s not healthy. Not on a personal level.
Don’t burn yourself out over something that isn’t real yet. Don’t wear yourself down mentally and physically for what might be.
If I felt even half as miserable as some of these folks act, I’d have quit already.
I wouldn’t waste money on something that made me feel awful. I wouldn’t engage with a game I had zero hope in.
And I sure as hell wouldn’t compel or guilt-trip others into being as miserable as me. That’s weird. Like, fricken weird.
White-knighting and pretending everything’s fine is weird, too.
But this “you’re a cultist if you’re not as miserable as we are” schtick? Grow up.
And before someone hits me with, “Can’t I express my opinion?”
Yeah, dude. So can I. And telling you to chill out isn’t white-knighting. It’s being a human being who’s tired of the black hole of negativity.
I’ll do you one better:
You want to be a rebel? You want to go against the player base narrative?
Say something positive about Dawntrail and watch hell rain down on you.
I’m not suppressing anybody when I get dogpiled by eight people just because I won’t enable their Negative Nancy nonsense.
Yes, the game is in a rough state. The content cadence needs work. The story needs help. Jobs need identity.
Yadda yadda, to the heat death of the universe.We’ve been over it.
But you know the one thing I think this game desperately needs right now?
A message. From Yoshi-P.
Telling us it’s going to be okay— more than that how they plan on fixing things.
That’s the biggest flaw right now: no community interaction.
I remember a few years ago, Yoshi-P cried when they couldn’t deliver a small QoL upgrade on time. That wasn’t just for show—this team cares. And I know they can make changes, not out of blind faith, but because it makes pragmatic sense. Maybe the game needs to lose a little before it learns how to win again.
But man, even when I’m not looking for it, everything feels negative.
At least in the West. And we need some kind of ‘proof of life’—a signal that the dev team gets it.
Even just saying something would help.
It wouldn’t shut everybody up, sure. But it’d be something.
Even with the Blacklist incident—credit where it’s due—they laid out a short-term fix and told us a permanent one’s coming in 7.2. That’s what I expect from them. But the rest of this critique? It’s overwhelming. If I were on the dev team, I’d feel forced to respond by now, because it’s deafening.
So no, I don’t buy this “White Knight” or “Cult of Yoshi-P” crap. The criticism is overwhelming. It’s cutting, it’s ugly, and it’s exhausting.
And before anything else, what I want most is just… A response.
I need to know things will get better. And I need to know there’s a plan in motion. That won’t fix everything. It won’t silence everybody. But it’d be something. -
03-22-2025, 09:43 PMArdeth
Wow in general, is in a better spot with a brighter future. It's not even an argument at this moment. Wow players have something to look forward to while we wait for more of the same.
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03-22-2025, 10:06 PMRithy255
After playing wow's free trial I'm actually likely to buy and play it when i got the money to now, My main cons about wow is that the graphics are really blah and how the synching system works (though ff14 isn't great at that either). I dislike that you can't play more then one class too.
I really liked the class customisation In ff14 its very bland compared to WOW where you can even change into healer/tank depending on what you picked and have totally different gameplay styles, I much enjoy the idea of being a healer Paladin, but ff14 doesn't allow me to do that.
Gear system also was a pretty nice upgrade I hate having ugly pauldrons on every armor tank set, capes not being tied to gear, theirs just a lot more moving parts to gear that actually lets you tailor them way more.
Though my thoughts on wow are very limited right as the free trial isn't really a lot. Now I can at least see the appeal a lot more then I used to, makes me really wish ff14 had a better class system in all honesty. -
03-22-2025, 11:51 PMMAJRIS
the saving grace of wow is "what you see is what you get" type of combat without purposely mismatched telegraphs from enemy cast bars and actions, and the encounters designed to make use of class identity (e.g. AMZ, turtle shell, cc) giving your class specific task rather than dance revolving doing calculus in your head.
the problem with feedback is that they can't read alphabet. only numbers - for example yearly revenue numbers, they can read it and reflect on it pretty well.
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03-22-2025, 11:52 PMAshtonCrowe
Meanwhile, Square enix "7.2 will have dungeons, trials ETC! (More of the same)
Meanwhile WoW " https://youtu.be/YXDdl5IDdKE COMBAT RACING ANYONE? NEW HOUSING? A THRIVING COMMUNITY? MEMES!? https://youtube.com/shorts/V5-GEIw3N2g?feature=share "
Even further Meanwhile, Square Enix " 7.25 in a couple of months will have the new zone everyone wants, Content yourself with our slop till then :^)" "Just go play other games!"
They should really hire CBu3 And Yoshi for the Circus, Some quality jokes.