I'd be fine with the rewards from Chaotic if it wasn't too late, DT has a pacing issue with content release and it's showing horribly. To fix a lot of the issues they either had to: Release Savage + Field operations + Relic or Savage + Relic with Field operations and Chaotic raid late Nov after ultimate. By the time Chaotic 730 gear comes out Savage will be unlocked meaning that we coulda used it *now* instead of later as it helps XIVs terrible gearing of alts in Savage even if it is a treadmill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Menriq
You're fine to have an opinion but the issue I have isn't a self induced problem, there isn't much DT content (not including old raids/savages/ultis etc), as it stands there is MSQ with Savage and normals since it came out and now they're telling us to wait longer? I'm all for waiting for good content but give me current Xpac content that's meaningful, my friends hardly log in, people just raid log, the rest are AFK in Limsa or at clubs/RPing but you say it's self induced? Why can't I blame the company who I pay monthly among others who also pay a sub?
I can't speak on WoW but I know it's even having it's own issues with new content and people are also voicing their concerns just like XIV is.
This has to last till APRIL btw
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11-02-2024, 01:51 AMAwful
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11-02-2024, 01:52 AMForteNightshadeWhile Criterion itself was innovation, it took them the entire expansion to actually address a complaint that arose when it first released. Chaotic having better rewards isn't a compliment, it just highlights the glacier pace at which they acknowledge and actively address feedback. Criterions reward should have been adjusted by the time Mount Rokkon released. Although, it's genuinely baffling they thought anyone would be satisfied with the initial rewards to begin with. Now they did add the glow weapons to Aloalo Island but even that was clearly done as a last minute panic given you were forced to waste 500 capped tomes and clear P11S for your reward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Menriq
As for this being a self inflicted problem to blow through the patch quickly? How? Purposely not doing content in order to artificially stretch it out doesn't magically add longevity. There's simply not enough being added in 7.1. -
11-02-2024, 02:14 AMAneshda
The new Trailer is so extreme boring, that leaves me speachless.
The Musik is not even good. The new Gears, I don't know what they thought when they choosed it. 1 Gear Set all in Black, ugly. 1 Gear Set divided into 2 Parts, 1 in White Gold, 1 in Black Red.
The Entire Patch will be stretched from 12.11 up to 21.1.25.
We get new Weapons, for Tokens I guess. Those Weapons are the crazy ones that we missed the last time. Like the Ninja Weapons 1 Fork and 1 Knive.
12 Nov. Patch 7.1
26 Nov. Patch 7.11 Futures Rewritten (Ultimate)
17 Dec. Patch 7.15 New Custom Deliveries - Nitowikwe + Additional Wachumeqimeqi Quests + Inconceivably Further Hildibrand Adventures
24 Dec. The Cloud of Darkness (Chaotic)
21 Jan. Patch 7.16 Additional Role Quests -
11-02-2024, 02:16 AMZephyrMenodoraNot really excited for the all-black gear set, or the goofy/comedy weapon designs. Hope the raid is at least good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aneshda
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11-02-2024, 02:19 AMDaraliiYou can now get the Scions to commentate your mahjong matches with voiceover. This is a feature that they spent time and money on.Quote:
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11-02-2024, 02:21 AMWolferey
Props for alliance not having weekly restrictions, but it's way too late. With no savage/current tome unlock it's grind until you get mount cause gear means fuck all and even with the glam dresser thing you'll be struggling for space. Add in the worst release schedule of all time. Yeah see ya'll in 7.25 when we get something meaningful.
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11-02-2024, 02:22 AMMenriqThese are very valid questions. I can't speak for them, but I have worked at several different companies as a software developer. My guess would be that while we are getting 7.1, 7.2 is already in development, and 7.3 is probably in planning stages. So while it appears they are not listening to feedback, it could just be that taking that feedback into actionable results could be longer than expected. Was the glowing weapons planned all along, or a response to the feedback of rewards not being worth it? I don't know the answer. What I was trying to convey is that they heard the feedback, so when they did their next "innovation", they made sure to account for the previous feedback instead of repeating the same mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForteNightshade
I wanted to respond to Awful as well, but the issue of not enough being added in a patch is highly subjective. For example, those who don't raid are probably going to see the release of the Chaotic raid, FRU, and possibly Unreal and say there is very little content for them. Those who don't have a house could consider the changes to the interior changes of houses to be useless. Since everyone plays different content, and at a different pace, I'm not sure what benchmark someone can use for saying there is not enough content being released in a given patch. WoW was mentioned as having the same issue, and they release on a quick cadence. So I'm not trolling, but legitimately asking, what game out there delivers enough content in each patch that you would find satisfactory and delivers on a good cadence? -
11-02-2024, 02:37 AMShikiseki
I always have to think of that gif where Mickey has to split an already thinly sliced bread even thinner, that's what it currently feels like lol.
But yall gotta cut that one intern some slack that probably has to develop all those features on their own... /shrug - the real MVP while the rest is probably busy developing FFVII-R3 -
11-02-2024, 02:38 AMSekundessounetThe gear is double-channel dyable, so it should be fine color-wise.Quote:
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11-02-2024, 02:41 AMRarakaWarframeQuote:
Originally Posted by Menriq
Even with the last mainline pach, Koumei and the five fates, that was recieved as a bit lackluster. The communication they provide and insight into developement is light years away from any other Dev team
In XIV people complain classes are samey, radio silence
In Warframe people complain loki is useless nowdays, DE responds that they want to rework it but they are struggling with keeping its very unique playstyle, so they put it in the backburner while adjusting the other frames
In XIV people complain Relics in EW were too easy to get, radio silence
In Warframe people complained the Railjack and Necramech were too grindy and it felt like a bump in the road to get into the New War quest, DE responds saying they may have gone overboard, and resource creep is something they have to adress, lowered the requisites for those grinds and later they DID make a rework on resource costs (Ex: Vauban prime was on 15k Cryotic or something, so it was getting ridiculous to ask for new players to grind that much)
Even if its not direct content in the form of game modes, the patches they do to the sandbox, such as, the rework of how enemy armor works, the rework to all pets that were outdated, adressing how "Charm" made other pets redundant, ROTATING EVENTS WITH ACTUAL REWARDS THAT MATTER, etc... makes it so the game feels fresh despite not having the most content filled updates -
11-02-2024, 02:44 AMmissTori
I just find it odd that the major battle content yoshida promised is not even there at expansion launch. By next year so many people will have lost interest even if a new eureka comes out. it's just really egregious because i also quit for a year in endwalker
but don't worry guys, 8.0 will have another remixed world of darkness raid!!!!1111 -
11-02-2024, 02:54 AMAwfulI do agree that XIV people play for different reasons, I think it's great and I don't speak for every player but I do think that's a blessing and a curse for XIV as now they haven't been able to find a middle ground for people who enjoy hard content vs easily accessible content where both can co-exist. As Forte said with the Criterion weapons being upgraded too late + the 500 tomes and p11s clear for the weap upgrade it was too little too late. I'd love to do all the content but I don't just like most don't either and I understand that, the issue is the pacing of the content as I said before it should of been staggered instead of this "hey guys we're working on this still look at it!" only to get blue balled, again to waiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Menriq
Do I know the benchmark to release content? No, I don't get paid to do that nor do I know but I'll tell you that waiting 6+ months for content that is sorely lacking is really frusterating. I love this game, and I respect anyone who enjoys all forms of content but we deserve better is all I'm trying to say, I agree with most of your points to be honest you just can't satisfy everyone and I'm responding genuinely as I'm just...I guess finally at my breaking point where the game I loved is becoming stale and boring that it's become more of a time waste vs a fun hobby I had as it doesn't respect my time anymore story or gameplay wise. -
11-02-2024, 02:55 AMKisshu
If the exploration zone is in the .25 patch, we're looking at around 6 months from now, or around 10 months from DT launched. That's an insanely long time for some longer-lasting content to drop for people (excluding savage/ultimate raiders).
Also, very tonedeaf to drop Chaotic on December 24th. They moved savage raiding so people could enjoy the NM story, then get a few weeks before Savage dropped. Guess they don't care about Chaotic. Everything they talked about it, like entering with 12 people, bonus reward for all first-timers and even the periodic bonus times, just tell me that they already know it will be dead within a month. -
11-02-2024, 03:02 AMValenceDoesn't seem to bother them when they release ranked pvp at the same time than savage tiers and they'll keep doing it this expansion as well apparently. Two types of content that are insanely time consuming and on a limited time window to progress through. But somehow when it's about ultimate raiders having conflicting releases it's the end of the world.Quote:
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In an ideal world though, yes, they should try to spread release of content, but they don't seem to be very amenable to that idea because of their precious holy schedules. -
11-02-2024, 03:06 AMAlice_RiversStar Trek Online used to be good about this when I played it. you got a story arc, some pve queues and associated gear every six months like clockwork. They've since introduced a system where-by there is almost always some event on that gives you either a cash shop item or a lootbox item. While STO's ship equipment slots are kinda samey they still manage to look distinctly different from one another (FF gear designer).Quote:
Originally Posted by Menriq
If I were going to set up this sort of thing though, I'd probably have an A team, B team and a C team where the A team is producing main story chapters every six months or so, aiming perhaps for half of DT's MSQ offering, maybe have them work on a yearly big feature (Eureka/Island/Diadem). Then the B team can flesh that out in coordination with the A team with monthly patches along the lines of the existing X.Y system giving us a little story drip, duties/extremes, new gear, etc and C team does miscellaneous stuffs like events, glams, balance, bug fixes, maybe they do the ARs and savage stuff, slotting into monthly patches as and when. That way there's always something new to be doing. -
11-02-2024, 03:06 AMSneakyotter
I still don't understand why they decide not to release exploration zone in 7.1 and I bet that they gonna put every major content in 7.2 New Raid/V&C Dungeon/Relic/Cosmic Exploration/Shade's Triangle
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11-02-2024, 03:25 AMCNitsahSquareEnix has a record of dumb decision since it exists. For a while FFXIV was exempt of them. Not anymore. They were probably sniffing glue while making the content scheldule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sneakyotter
More seriously, I would bet on a problem from SE side that refuse to allocate the budget needed to FFXIV because "It brings a lot like that", and not realisizing their customers are really unhappy, and when it will show in the sub numbers, it will already be too late. They don't understand the MMO public.
They don't understand videogame players at all, if you want my opinion. You remember the "wait people actually like turn based game" after Bravely Default released... Then proceed to butcher the western release by pressing so few copies that if you hadn't bought it day one, it was out of stock for 4 months. Or their whole NFT obsessions. SE suits are out of touch... -
11-02-2024, 03:30 AMSensuiAll the content should have been dropped on day 1. But there isn't enough substance to keep you occupied for 2 years so they trickle feed the life support to keep you barely hanging on.Quote:
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11-02-2024, 04:16 AMForteNightshadeLet's not forget agreeing to a Sony exclusivity deal on the PS5, a console with less than a quarter of the install base of its predecessor, for FFXVI's release only to then be all Surprised Pikachu when sales didn't meet expectations. GEEZ I WONDER WHY. Total mystery that!Quote:
Originally Posted by CNitsah
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11-02-2024, 04:24 AMAth192Another way to look at this is how much you are paying for that content. Since it starts Nov/dec/jan/feb/mar/apr times a base sub of 12.99 x 6 = $77.94Quote:
Originally Posted by IvoryHawk
No matter how you spin it. This is a ripoff. Big time. You pay less money for the expansion itself.
This game is not a good value to stay subbed to. -
11-02-2024, 04:30 AMKurenXIV
This LL helped remove any reservations I had about unsubbing. What an absolute joke.
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11-02-2024, 04:37 AMovIm
Honestly, I am not even surprised - the writing that this patch would be a nothingburger was absolutely on the wall.
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11-02-2024, 07:04 AMMenriqThat is interesting. I'm assuming sandbox is kind of like a PTR? While not directly related, it sounds like from what I'm reading is not so much the content, but better communication is what would help. I think that is very fair. Maybe as part of the 1st LL, they could go into more detail of what they are thinking and why. Maybe even acknowledge the feedback, and either explain how they are going to address it, or why they are going the route they are going. People might not like the answer, but at least they can't say the feedback is not being listened to.Quote:
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11-02-2024, 07:12 AMTurtledeluxeI unsubbed months ago and I can't recommend it enough. It really gives you perspective.Quote:
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11-02-2024, 07:21 AMAbsurditySandbox changes are usually overarching changes to the environment you're playing in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Menriq
As Raraka said, it would be something like how enemy armor works because it affects everyone.
In XIV it would be something like increasing the tomestone cap or increasing item drop rates for example, because it affects everyone engaging in PvE content.
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11-02-2024, 07:43 AMMenriqWas this a separate environment, or the live game? Sandbox to me means something different as a developer. Sandbox means it's a place where I can test changes to see how they work in action versus how they work on paper. I'm sure we've all had things we thought sounded great, but once you started actually seeing the changes, ended up scraping them because they didn't pan out the way you thought they would.Quote:
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11-02-2024, 08:09 AMAbsurdityIt's not a test environment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Menriq
I'm sure they test these changes within a developer build before the updates go live, but in this case the sandbox is just the world, and all it's attached systems, that the game exists in.
Let's take Destiny 2 for this, since I have a better understanding of that game than I do of Warframe.
A PvE sandbox change in D2 would be something like "Increased damage of Hand Cannons against combatants (PvE enemies) by 30%" because it affects everything within the sandbox, meaning dungeons, raids, open world content, etc.
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11-02-2024, 08:12 AMMenriqGot it. So it's just changes (patches) to the game. What are changes they'd make that aren't considered sandbox then?Quote:
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11-02-2024, 08:33 AMsylphlandsThis is weird to me too, especially seeing people who defend Squenix no matter what using it as a gotcha against anyone with any sort of expectation for the game we're paying for monthly. "Yoship said to touch grass!" As if it's a personal fault to want new content in a live service game?Quote:
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11-02-2024, 09:16 AMHallarem
Can't wait to play Fantasia, that's probably where like half the dev-team focused on including Yoshi P and whatever other projects they had (I wont play it)
Can't wait to buy a 250 dollar bracelet of Grand Companies that arent even relevant in the game anymore and aren't being developed
Can't wait to buy FFXIV themed overpriced outdoor camping merch
Can't wait to buy FFXIV THEMED SHAMPOO
Can't wait for them to cater to the 5% playing endgame and not developing anything in the open world
What the hell is happening and how do we make it stop -
11-02-2024, 09:57 AMKurenXIVWhat is happening:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hallarem
SE has some of the worst leadership in the industry, plain and simple.
Regardless of who is at fault here, the problem with XIV is that they reached a level of success they felt comfortable with and cut back on content tremendously. In other words, they are making tons of money so why bother investing in the game?
For players that means we're not only stuck with the same kind of content we are used to but we're getting less of it and at a slower rate.
A company run by people who understand their products and what makes them successful (or unsuccessful) would understand what to do to continue having successful products be successful and learn from what makes their unsuccessful products fail.
One aspect that is killing the game is the patch cadence. On a surface level there's the argument that "Well the team was working too hard for too long to make the content for patches to deploy every 3 months so they made the patch cycles longer and cut back on the content being delivered"; and there's those that would say "Well yeah that makes sense, the devs are humans too!".
However, behind the scenes what *should* have happened is they should have recognized the pace was unsustainable and staff up to meet that patch cadence. You do this because you put your cash cow at risk if you don't. It's just common business sense.
Ultimately they clearly don't want to invest in what makes them money, they want to ride it out as long as they can until they are forced to act. What that action may be is anyones guess, maybe they fix the issues, maybe they cut back even more and just consider the game a lost cause . . . I don't know.
How do we make it stop:
Unsubscribe. Vote with your wallet. There's no other message that they will get. Once the money is gone then and only then will they be forced to act. -
11-02-2024, 10:04 AMAnnRamQuote:
Originally Posted by IvoryHawk
yooooooo the hypeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
ffxiv saved thanks yoshi always placing the haters in check.
omg omg omg omg A NEW DUNGEON? A NEW RAID? NOBODY EVER COULD SEE THAT COMING! hoping mare lamentorum update its available before patch dropping:o:eek::cool: -
11-02-2024, 10:13 AMAbsurdityAnything that isn't a core change to the game and specific to only parts of it.Quote:
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The change to P8S that reduced the Boss' HP back in Endwalker would be one example, since it only applies to that one boss in a single raid instance. -
11-02-2024, 11:01 AMSinstrelI'm pretty shocked as well tbh. I don't know how Yoshi can honestly do the live letter in full confidence with this meager content, even scheduling out this bare-bones content as a drip feed... I'm not a dev so I really don't know but... do beast tribe quest turn ins and custom delivery turn ins really take 4-5 months to develop? When I find myself doing those content it feels like it could be created in a week or less if a full team was working diligently on it.Quote:
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This is insane.
Is there something terribly bad happening at Square Enix behind the scenes that is being covered up? Like is the FFXIV team actually only 3 employees or something? -
11-02-2024, 11:13 AMOgruMogru
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11-02-2024, 12:23 PMSensui100% the feels.Quote:
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11-02-2024, 01:21 PMVerdeLuckThis is so strange because 7.0 and 7.1 does not seem to have a little bit for everyone, it seems to be topheavy on the raiding side compared to how things usually go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuri_Love
Unless they legitimately think people who don't raid watch a ton of streams of the raid or only care about glam and housing.
I'm assuming this is because they got a lot of feedback about "midcore" and raiders being unhappy with nothing to do while casual players had a backlog still, they overcorrected and stacked all their high end content in the first 2-3 patches, and now there's nothing for casual players to do.
Cue 8.0-8.2 where they overcorrect and heavily stack all their casual content early on and raiders have nothing to do until 8.3 when their ultimate comes out. -
11-02-2024, 01:27 PMTheGrimaceI busted out a huge gut laugh at this. I'll be damned if it don't feel like that.Quote:
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11-02-2024, 01:35 PMxxmiamorecadenza
I took a hard look at my calendar and scratched my head. I don’t get it.
How is this suppose to last until April?
And the fact that Yoshi p urged us to take our time and try other games clenches it.
I’ve been stubborn about not unsubbing for the past five years. But I’m going to have to pull the trigger here.
I can’t justify wasting 50+ bucks for minimal content. This genuinely just sucks. :( -
11-02-2024, 02:48 PMSylnPerfectly on point, Goofy represent the casuals, Donald represent the raiders and the little piece of bread represent the total amount of content Dawntail will have until the end 2026 (estimated window for the release of the next expansion) every slices representing "major" patches.Quote:
Originally Posted by OgruMogru
Only the Erp/modder aren't there, they came with their own food and are eating good off camera :3