Emote Monetization needs to Stop.

I would ok if it was $2-3 but $7 is just no. Maybe $7 if it was account wide but even then I wouldn't get it. This isn't an emote for fun, it's an emote fro greedy companies to profit off of.

You can buy entire games for $7.

I would LOVE the sunder emote but you know, I can't get it because of what it's locked behind. I like collecting some figures too but wasn't to crazy about this one.

It's a real gut punch when they do sheet like this to a lot of people.

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

Look, it's Final Fantasy XIV published by Square Enix. This is a poor company that just lost 70% of its revenue last year and is essentially bankrupt. They can't afford to give you more right now. If you had a homeless person sleeping outside your house who was at death's door, would you give him money? Of course you would. So why wouldn't you help Square Enix? We live in rough times right now and we need to think about those who are less fortunate. If Square Enix goes bankrupt, hundreds of people will be unemployed. They might even become homeless. How would you feel if that happened to you? Try being more charitable to the less fortunate instead of grandstanding about $7.

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are we suppose to care? There is a huge difference of invidual who falls into that postion due to things outside their controll being against them, and a company with multiple titles who is honestly making alot more money then anyone here will see in 10 life times combined, The company bankrupts out of their own stupid choices which is their own fault, big difference between some.



Booo hooo I'm big company that is going bankrupt because i make shitty choices and horrible designs, and havent made anything decent in years ... im going bankrupt boo hoo who gives a damn, its their own fault so I dont really care. They choice to go bankrupt big difference between that and avarage joes who end up there with no choice of their own.

funny thing is they put effort into mogstation yet for the event we getting is just pure recoloring lazy effort lol

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Originally Posted by Zakuyia

You do realize pso2 ngs has a sub.... you need a sub to even use the store to sell items that cost real money locked behind a loot box with a chance ur ok with those emotes being 60 - 100 yet your here crying about an optional emote many ppl could careless about.... man ff14 player quality is crap.... XD i need to remember this is same forum that was crying dawn trail was too hard.

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"Another game has worse predatory monetisation, therefore the predatory monetisation in this one doesn't exist." And the moment someone points out that your argument makes no sense, you turn to insults. Another one for the block list, then.

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Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

To you it probably is, but it's getting to a point where new players are going to find having to dig into their wallets for some better quality emotes if they aren't already fine with what they have to express themselves. If they want it, they'll have to work for it as always - but more often than not, if they hate doing it they quit mid-way before they get to the reward.

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Serious question.

Can you provide a scenario in which being able to fry an egg is integral to one's character being able to fully express themselves? Particularly given that for the entire history of the game, nobody has been able to?

To put it another way, I don't think new players are having their game experience curtailed because a digital egg costs seven bucks. What they may benefit from is the revenue produced by whales buying an overpriced breakfast staple.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

Serious question.

Can you provide a scenario in which being able to fry an egg is integral to one's character being able to fully express themselves? Particularly given that for the entire history of the game, nobody has been able to?

To put it another way, I don't think new players are having their game experience curtailed because a digital egg costs seven bucks. What they may benefit from is the revenue produced by whales buying an overpriced breakfast staple.

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The fact that the defenders of this focus on one specific emote and keep pointing out how silly it is is quite telling, to be honest. It's annoying how much effort they clearly put into Mog Station content and not much else. They could have made the animations in DT cutscenes better, for example. Instead, they're just NPCs doing basic emotes and the resources to go a stupid fried egg emote that goes on the Mog Station.

Yeah forget the eggs, what about the Heroic entry or whatever its called in english, or others like that? So many lazy Emotes instead of making the DT animations better, yet so many even 2.0 old emotes we still dont have...

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Originally Posted by PercibelTheren

The fact that the defenders of this focus on one specific emote and keep pointing out how silly it is is quite telling, to be honest. It's annoying how much effort they clearly put into Mog Station content and not much else. They could have made the animations in DT cutscenes better, for example. Instead, they're just NPCs doing basic emotes and the resources to go a stupid fried egg emote that goes on the Mog Station.

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I'm not defending anything. I just lack the business expertise to assess the revenue implications of resources applied to Mog Station products.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

Serious question.

Can you provide a scenario in which being able to fry an egg is integral to one's character being able to fully express themselves? Particularly given that for the entire history of the game, nobody has been able to?

To put it another way, I don't think new players are having their game experience curtailed because a digital egg costs seven bucks. What they may benefit from is the revenue produced by whales buying an overpriced breakfast staple.

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Lets see Mount of alexander raid boss: granted to just buying

Mount of shadowwolf from shadowbringers r aids: granted from just buying...

Multiple outfits that could realisticly be earned from multiple dungeons, questlines and connections in game


and multiple emotes inlucindg this one that could be rewards for crafters .... This does highly disencourage people to give a damn about in game both new and old, because why would i care when in game the rewards are meha to trash and most we get is a new glowy glowy in comparasion.



I think people like you know its screwed up many things emotes, some of the mounts and some of the outfits in mogstation do effect in game play through and the amount we should care about in game content goes down hill each time they add something to mogstation that SHOULD BE EARNABLE IN GAME. Idc about the school girl outfit or stupid things like that being on the mogstation, are things like princess dress thats fine but things like the emote or the scion outfits, the knight outfits from heavensward, gaia outfit etc these are things should be earned in game, same with this emote and many of the mounts on mogstation.


There is a level where its okay, like a stupid thing like a snickers bar or something lame with real world reletaionships to it is fine on mogstation, things that realistcly can be earned in game it does harm the playerbase because it makes us care less about the game, and content in the game why would i care to enter a raid on any level if they are just going to add a mount from it in mogstation in 2 months lol..



I mean what mogstation should be is just stupid things like keyblades, blitzballs maybe random weapon and outfit glamors from dragon quest and other connections to other se games, maybe throw in a final fantasy 7 weapon collection, I'm fine with mogstation existing and being used it being here isn't the proplem its how they are using it.

With these things that should be IN GAME EARNABLE, and not with things they could random collap with the mogstation such as hello kitty, kingdom hearts (with their assests non of disneys) like organization 13 weapons, maybe historical final fantasy outfits from past games, maybe random furinture from older ffs, and connections to other se titles thats all fine...

However mogstation has started to do it more and more throw in things that should be earnable in game to sell which does harm the playerbase and the amount of care we have. Sure we can pretend its just silly, and doesnt really matter and to a point thats right however we are way past that point

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

Serious question.

Can you provide a scenario in which being able to fry an egg is integral to one's character being able to fully express themselves? Particularly given that for the entire history of the game, nobody has been able to?

To put it another way, I don't think new players are having their game experience curtailed because a digital egg costs seven bucks. What they may benefit from is the revenue produced by whales buying an overpriced breakfast staple.

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Perhaps if the in game glams from content and from buying in game didnt look absolutely terrible that would be fine, but basically 90% of in game gear (minus some of the level 1 stuff) looks absolutely atrocious, while glams that look decent or good are locked behind the mog station

Also emotes should come from the game, not from the mog station, some very rare ones could come from the mog station sure, but this isnt some very rare ones, it's a big majority of them if not almost all of them.

Stop defending the indefensible.

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Originally Posted by Teah_Kaye

Wouldn't mind more cool emotes being available in-game, seeing as I collect them, but this:



I find it a little hard to care about, if you don't want to do most of the content you should expect to get fewer rewards no?

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Ridiculous argument when there is nothing to get even if you do content since basically everything is on the mog station.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

Serious question.

Can you provide a scenario in which being able to fry an egg is integral to one's character being able to fully express themselves? Particularly given that for the entire history of the game, nobody has been able to?

To put it another way, I don't think new players are having their game experience curtailed because a digital egg costs seven bucks. What they may benefit from is the revenue produced by whales buying an overpriced breakfast staple.

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"Its just a cosmetic horse armor, who cares" and look at where we are now

Its not about the product (in this case, the fry egg emote) but about the practice. The goal of threads like this is to push back against bad faith practices

First its a 7 bucks emote, and then what, the Saint Wake outfit going to the store when the event is live instead of the event reward?, the MSQ opening the mogstation for you to buy the Alpaca mount?, Having 10 glamour plates and unlocking the rest by paying?

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Originally Posted by Kikoten

I would agree, up until not just emotes, but aesthetics in general, get gated behind content nobody or their second cousin wants to run anymore, and finding a group for it would require you to go so far off the beaten path that it'd just make running said content for said aesthetics not even worth it.

I get that some aesthetics, such as Lyon's hairstyle, can be considered a trophy. At the same time, that's what is contending with cash shop. What would a majority of people rather do? Bust their ass for a hairstyle they want? Or just pay 7 buckaroos to get it?

And, fortunately or unfortunately, depending on how you look at it, the cash shop option is going to win, and so it's never going to end because of that.

Having said that, I would like to see more emotes and hairstyles get put in the game as something you can acquire through gameplay. I'd also like the effort I'd have to put in to get them to be reasonable. If I have to start hopping onto discord channels and rousing people to form a party on a specific day, at a specific time, to run a specific piece of content, all because I want a specific aesthetic, then I'd rather just buy it on the cash shop. I can't live in the game, I get limited time to play.

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I agree, I think the option to acquire in game should absolutely be there. Right now a lot of exclusive cash shop stuff. Likely tho they would make the good stuff so impossible to get you would, out of frustration, open the coin purse and buy it.

Sorry for double posting. Use mobile and it doesn't let you edit.. but..

Also, I would 100% do Ultimates for the floaty omega dude emote and glamours. I could care less about a glowy weapons, but it would add to the variety. This games reward priorities are so out of touch. I think great emotes and outfits add to the prestige people look for in titles and glory weapons as well,.

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Not just emotes either. There's plenty of monetization of gear, mounts, etc. too. There's a reason why this meme exists:


https://i.imgur.com/51AMert.png


From what I remember, the devs came out and said all the money from the cash shop goes back into the game, but I don't believe that for a second. A good chunk of that cash probably flows into the pockets of SE shareholders if anything. It's really just as believable as the time Yoshi P said the "scary baroness lady" was the person in charge of the cash shop and he has no say whatsoever in how its run.

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Originally Posted by Teah_Kaye

Okay but that's patently false, there's a lot of emotes you can earn via in-game means especially if you do limited content like seasonal events and PvP battlepass when it comes around. There's also a bunch you can get from the Gold Saucer or tribal quests or straight up buy off the market board. Some side quests reward them. Among other stuff like Bozja and variant dungeons.

You're not totally starved of new emotes if you do content. More nice emotes you can earn in the game without having to pay money on the Mog Station or buy expensive figurines would be great, obviously, but if they've released new emotes and you consciously choose not to do the content that rewards them you can't then complain that there aren't any emotes for you to get.

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Let me just make a time machine and get all of the seasonal things they added before I started playing...

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Originally Posted by PercibelTheren

Let me just make a time machine and get all of the seasonal things they added before I started playing...

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or they just add them to the even shop when the even comes again so you can reget them ;p beside those are fine because they from old events, there a difference between old events you had an option to earn in game, that was fine when it was just this from old events.. noone had an issue with that although tbh they should just be brought back in game when the event rolls around again

The monetization is getting quite eggcessive.

What a shame, I could've see the emote being part of a short side quest to discover the 100 different ways to cook an egg. I don't like this 'horse armor DLC' timeline, can we go back.

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Originally Posted by Krojack

I would LOVE the sunder emote but you know, I can't get it because of what it's locked behind. I like collecting some figures too but wasn't to crazy about this one.

It's a real gut punch when they do sheet like this to a lot of people.

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I think all those emotes tied to a figure etc should be put in the shop after say 2 years.

Gonna bring it up again but the implementation of the second dye channel to all dyeable cash shop sets but skipping over so many in-game sets (even some jobs neglected outright like WHM/BLM ARR) is proof that cash shop items do come at the cost of in-game items

Not only do cash shop items come at the expense of in-game items and emotes, it comes to the detriment of the game and the player base. I know of three people who left FinalFantasyXIV because as very hard core players they were displeased that they couldn't use their own skill to access the content. They felt spurned that it is, unequivocally behind a paywall, and the endwalker plot wasn't enough to get them to stay when they felt disrespected as long-time players.

To the point that they're not accessible for the average person to buy, that cash shop feels malicious. Let's see: "Egg fry" is $7, "Joyious Leaping" is $12, Eat Pizza is $7... that means those three emotes alone is $26. To play FFXIV for 2 months, I buy the $30 Crysta package... so here is my question. Why are three emotes almost the price of two months of playtime?!

For a "must have subscription" model game, meaning you must pat a subscription fee to stay "on content", that's not only backwards and twisted, it's a slap in the face. Mount prices? Even worse... and if you are a person that does like to immerse yourself in this game and collect emotes and other side content you are being completely and entirely devalued and leached off of. Yes, I know a person doesn't *have to* buy them... but let's also demand reasonable pricing for junk like that. NOTHING should cost you half of the cost of your subscription fee, certainly not an emote, that's for sure... I could see exclusive packages with armor, emotes, and a mount or something included to beef up the price to something substantial.... but don't try to sell me a single emote for $12.

That's just neglectful of those who would like to earn the emotes... it's not my thing, but I don't like that it's behind such a large paywall either. That's not player friendly design, and highlights a lot of the poor choices we've all been concerned/annoyed about recently as a widely spread community. I suppose that's my main issue about it.

It's just a symptom of a larger problem we've run into as players. The devs aren't thinking about us anymore... not with the way they've been acting... let's be honest. In general new content is on a drop-feed as it is. Don't put what little else you do have behind such a difficult to attain paywall. Some people don't have that kind of money, so it's not about lacking effort or skill. It's about not being able to justify the expense... games shouldn't remind you of your own level of income (or lack there of) so perniciously.

Edit: unpopular opinion, and possible soultion... I would happily pay a $20 monthly subscription fee if I was guaranteed that nothing was behind a paywall for me as a consumer, and these objects would come in the form of side quests and unlockable content instead. I do like this game, it's fair for the devs to ask for a fair and equal compensation, and the subscription price has been around without inflation for a very long time. If they are hurting for money, maybe it's time to offer a higher priced subscription model. I'm in a position that I could pay more, and I'd be very happy to do. I'd have only one catch; the content NEEDS to be in-game and accessable to all somehow. If it meant a better game and community for players as a whole, I would offer more monetary support. I do think that many in the FFXIV community feel the same way, but we aren't given the option, and we're not given the perks for why that higher subscription model would be justified to be on-offer.

Personally I don't mind this at all as long as emotes don't bring any additional buffs / benefits to the character. I couldn't care less.
I assume Squenix gains something when they collaborate with other companies to generate emotes such as the pizza eating emote and chicken eating emote -- both originally introduced in collaboration with other companies.
They would not be able to release those for free in the future -- that would be unfair to the original paying customers who bought those collaboration items, which also paints the other party in negative light.
Likely there's some legal issues as well in Japan when you do such things. We also don't know what type of contract Squenix had with the companies they collaborated with -- they may be required to provide some sort of payment / download to them... who knows.
In such cases it would make sense for Squenix to charge players for such emotes (only for those that were developed as a part of a collaboration).

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Edit: unpopular opinion, and possible soultion... I would happily pay a $20 monthly subscription fee if I was guaranteed that nothing was behind a paywall for me as a consumer, and these objects would come in the form of side quests and unlockable content instead. I do like this game, it's fair for the devs to ask for a fair and equal compensation, and the subscription price has been around without inflation for a very long time. If they are hurting for money, maybe it's time to offer a higher priced subscription model. I'm in a position that I could pay more, and I'd be very happy to do. I'd have only one catch; the content NEEDS to be in-game and accessable to all somehow. If it meant a better game and community for players as a whole, I would offer more monetary support. I do think that many in the FFXIV community feel the same way, but we aren't given the option, and we're not given the perks for why that higher subscription model would be justified to be on-offer.

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You're right. This is a very unpopular opinion. You're asking to penalize those players who don't suffer from some weird completionist complex. You're basically suggesting a $5/month fine for those of us who don't buy the junk in the cash shop.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

You're right. This is a very unpopular opinion. You're asking to penalize those players who don't suffer from some weird completionist complex. You're basically suggesting a $5/month fine for those of us who don't buy the junk in the cash shop.

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I mean, they have more than one subscription option as it is.. so my thought was if they offered that higher priced model for those who do actually want to support the game and the player base of the game, those who wished to could go to that higher model, on the condition that content would be accessible to everyone. That's the part you neglected to take notice of in my post. Not that everyone MUST be lifted to the $20 price... but, much like a Patreon or Buy Me A Coffee model, offering a higher tiered option isn't unheard of and sometimes people really just do want to support the genuine product... I am one of those people who could afford it, and therefore do feel its a duty onto myself to empower the collective whole of this mmorpg community...

People are saying SE is going bankrupt, and if that's true, perhaps they do need more funds... funds I would happily pay, under the condition players weren't restricted from getting things like emotes in the game. You just didn't see the nuance in my post because you assume I think everyone should be put to that higher price point, which I never said...

But no, clearly any kind of nuanced discussion about freedom of choice can't happen on the internet...

Instructions unclear, ended up with World of Warcraft's monetization system.

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Originally Posted by KernCadfan

I mean, they have more than one subscription option as it is.. so my thought was if they offered that higher priced model for those who do actually want to support the game and the player base of the game, those who wished to could go to that higher model, on the condition that content would be accessible to everyone. That's the part you neglected to take notice of in my post. Not that everyone MUST be lifted to the $20 price... but, much like a Patreon or Buy Me A Coffee model, offering a higher tiered option isn't unheard of and sometimes people really just do want to support the genuine product... I am one of those people who could afford it, and therefore do feel its a duty onto myself to empower the collective whole of this mmorpg community...

People are saying SE is going bankrupt, and if that's true, perhaps they do need more funds... funds I would happily pay, under the condition players weren't restricted from getting things like emotes in the game. You just didn't see the nuance in my post because you assume I think everyone should be put to that higher price point, which I never said...

But no, clearly any kind of nuanced discussion about freedom of choice can't happen on the internet...

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I'm guessing SE knows their business model better than we do, and find a cash shop a better option than two-tiered subscriptions. I also imagine there would be howls of protest when those on the lower tier saw, for example, emote-awarding quests from which they were locked out, and the usual nonsense about the game becoming pay to win.

I do thank you, however, for injecting some fiscal reality in this thread. Nearly all subscription-based games have a revenue balance between subs and micro-transactions. Those entitled souls here yelling "just give it to me for free" might like to take that idea on board. Less funds from the cash shop = higher subs.

I think the cash shop would be dramatically improved if stuff was account wide. I ain't buying a $7 emote for several characters.

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Originally Posted by KernCadfan

I mean, they have more than one subscription option as it is.. so my thought was if they offered that higher priced model for those who do actually want to support the game and the player base of the game, those who wished to could go to that higher model, on the condition that content would be accessible to everyone. That's the part you neglected to take notice of in my post. Not that everyone MUST be lifted to the $20 price... but, much like a Patreon or Buy Me A Coffee model, offering a higher tiered option isn't unheard of and sometimes people really just do want to support the genuine product... I am one of those people who could afford it, and therefore do feel its a duty onto myself to empower the collective whole of this mmorpg community...

People are saying SE is going bankrupt, and if that's true, perhaps they do need more funds... funds I would happily pay, under the condition players weren't restricted from getting things like emotes in the game. You just didn't see the nuance in my post because you assume I think everyone should be put to that higher price point, which I never said...

But no, clearly any kind of nuanced discussion about freedom of choice can't happen on the internet...

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"look guys i have money let me throw it at a multi billion company so i can save them from being bankrupt !!"

Well what do you know: We actually got something account wide on the store recently. Now do it for all of them, Square, and maybe your price tag may actually matter.

Still, I find it a bit funny a week after making this thread they actually made something account-wide. I'm still going to advocate for that to apply to the rest of the store, at minimum, and also give us more earnable emotes in-game through story(because we do need more stuff that isn't tied to the store, honestly). Also, going to update the OP with a different thread that is tied to this.

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To the point that they're not accessible for the average person to buy, that cash shop feels malicious. Let's see: "Egg fry" is $7, "Joyious Leaping" is $12, Eat Pizza is $7... that means those three emotes alone is $26. To play FFXIV for 2 months, I buy the $30 Crysta package... so here is my question. Why are three emotes almost the price of two months of playtime?!

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Leaping is 5 different emotes in one.

Taking a look at the emotes in the stores, they either cost £4.20, £1.15, or £7.44.
The £4 ones are relatively animated ones that are exclusive to the Online Store.
The £1 ones are from previous ingame events. (The cheers with different colours count since they're recolours)
The Ranger Poses cost £2 despite being from ingame events since there's two emotes per book.
Joyous Leaping, and Megaflare, cost £7 due to having 5 different emotes and being an absurdly large animation respectively.

The real question is why the Meister Figurine emotes are locked behind buying that instead of just being for £7 in the store.

The most ironic part is that Guild wars 2 also added a new emote recently. It is break dance emote. If You choose to swipe, It only cost 5 dollars and is account wide. If You choose not to swipe, You can grind gold to buy it... And l would argue that break dance is much more complex than frying an egg. It made a stark contrast with square enix.

Okay, as we build up cash shop emote library, can we have a /spit emote, please? With a proper "hawk-tua" to it, with fluid physics and everything. I will pay top dollar for it to use it on anyone who is trying show me their fake, pay-to-win egg cooking skills.

Not an emote, but still a monetization issue:

Wind-up Zero is in the game now and linked to an EndWalker OST. Wind-Up Erenville was just announced, and he's a bonus for a Dawntrail Artbook.

CS3, you need to stop putting major party-member character minions as bonuses for outside purchases. If you absolutely insist on doing it this way, minions like this need to be account-wide unlocks.

Time to update the thread. We got a new Emote this patch - and thankfully it is obtainable in-game. This brings up the % very slightly, but it is a drop in the bucket.

gona be real. if you pay 5 pounds for an emote of frying an egg. that's genuinely hilarious

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Not just emotes either. There's plenty of monetization of gear, mounts, etc. too. There's a reason why this meme exists:


https://i.imgur.com/51AMert.png


From what I remember, the devs came out and said all the money from the cash shop goes back into the game, but I don't believe that for a second. A good chunk of that cash probably flows into the pockets of SE shareholders if anything. It's really just as believable as the time Yoshi P said the "scary baroness lady" was the person in charge of the cash shop and he has no say whatsoever in how its run.

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the funny thing is i keep saying to myself, doesnt SE want my money? because i want this game to be so much better lol. id pay for new costums on the mogstore, id pay for nice QOL changes, and id happily stay subbed forever if they did better content. but i think they do not want me money lol

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Time to update the thread. We got a new Emote this patch - and thankfully it is obtainable in-game. This brings up the % very slightly, but it is a drop in the bucket.

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We got like four, /water, /shakedrink, /ohokaliy, and /attend

I am honestly starting to wish we hadn't got /shakedrink...

If anything I'm surprised /shakedrink wasn't mogstation exclusive given how many people were wanting it
I'm not surprised about the hanu hanu emote being free though, they typically give emotes like that out with beast tribes granted it's usually reserved for the end if memory serves correctly

edit: oh wait I forgot about laliho and probably a few others

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If anything I'm surprised /shakedrink wasn't mogstation exclusive given how many people were wanting it
I'm not surprised about the hanu hanu emote being free though, they typically give emotes like that out with beast tribes granted it's usually reserved for the end if memory serves correctly

edit: oh wait I forgot about laliho and probably a few others

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Wasn't Laliho a regular quest in the village, and then Lalihop was the emote reward from the tribe quests?

Looking at all the emotes added this patch, only 1 is unaccounted for and could be Mogstation.

It's a very different issue with outfits, 2 new original outfits (but one is more street style), 2 collab outfits and 2 NPC outfits. All of them Mogstation.

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Wasn't Laliho a regular quest in the village, and then Lalihop was the emote reward from the tribe quests?

Looking at all the emotes added this patch, only 1 is unaccounted for and could be Mogstation.

It's a very different issue with outfits, 2 new original outfits (but one is more street style), 2 collab outfits and 2 NPC outfits. All of them Mogstation.

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Yeah I had forgotten that you unlocked laliho very early on and is required to greet villagers with which I imagine is what we'll need to do with this one.

I would need to look through the questline again, but I do think you get it from a blue quest from one of the dwarves which I believe does lead into the beast tribe.
I could be completely wrong there, it's been years.