DT writing is not even the biggest problem XIV has right now.

My main complaint is that there is little to nothing for a max-level character to do on a casual to mid-core level. The only relevant content is maxing tomes which is 20 minutes a day for 5 days, and normals which if you only play one job you have all that gear already.

I used to be a "play the MSQ and quit until the next MSQ" pre-EW, but now the MSQ itself wasn't really any good. When I run out of jobs to level, which I mostly do as "something to do" rather than actually loving 21 different jobs, I have no idea how I will entertain myself.

There is nothing to really grind on any meaningful level, and no exciting RNG gear drops that would keep me interested in other MMOs. They also have no bonus customization for grinding more XP, and the levelling is pretty fast. The concept of building a character is pretty slim in this MMO compared to many others.

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I agree with a lot of this but also the fact that tanks are overtuned and healers aren't allowed to heal. Heck they could add a new deep dungeon instead of another bozja that would solve the nothing to do issue

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These people love raiding (and there is nothing wrong with that), but the thing is, the raids are developed at the expense of other types of content.

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This is entirely false tho. Do I need to remember how the first thing they cut during the pandemic was the 2nd Shb ultimate raid? Or how in EW we didnt get any 24 man raid outside alliances? That is without mentioning how they haven't increased the amount of Savage raids since they were invented that without mentioning how the amount of casual side activities has actually increased and the job changes are mostly made with casuals in mind

Raids arent designed at the expense of any other content nor raiders have a hold on the game's design.

Also the whole "chores" before raid is a boogeyman you have just invented to blame raiders for something that doesn't even happen. If the devs didn't add the chores before raiding is because they treat raiding as its own separate thing that only affects market boards and materia selling

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Well, for starters, they objectively have more outreach than non-JP players. And some of them are extremely vocal on JP social media, posting stuff that is apparently not always nice. (this is from a documentary aired in Japan, it talks about FFXVI release, but the same reportedly happens for FFXIV as well).

Now, about the raiders in particular, let's do a little thought experiment: imagine that you have to do some kind of additional activity besides MSQ to unlock savage. An attunement quest, a gearing-up effort that involves more than crafting a 710 set and run normal for 710 blue gear, some reputations to unlock etc. That kind of measures would not be popular with some raiders, because for them, it would take time from raiding to do these "chores". How would they react? Well, essentially, see above.

These people love raiding (and there is nothing wrong with that), but the thing is, the raids are developed at the expense of other types of content. And that's where the twist comes: since JP players run Savage much more than EU/NA players, SE sees no qualms about persisting in this logic. The problem is that they turn off a lot of players in EU/NA in the process.

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This is entirely false tho. Do I need to remember how the first thing they cut during the pandemic was the 2nd Shb ultimate raid? Or how in EW we didnt get any 24 man raid outside alliances? That is without mentioning how they haven't increased the amount of Savage raids since they were invented or how the amount of casual side activities has actually increased and how the job changes are mostly made with casuals in mind

Raids arent designed at the expense of any other content nor raiders have a hold on the game's design.

Also the whole "chores" before raid is a boogeyman you have just invented to blame raiders for something that doesn't even happen. If the devs didn't add the chores before raiding is because they treat raiding as its own separate thing that only affects market boards and materia selling

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I agree with a lot of this but also the fact that tanks are overtuned and healers aren't allowed to heal. Heck they could add a new deep dungeon instead of another bozja that would solve the nothing to do issue

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The problem with deep dungeon is that it's lacking reward wise, and give us no reason to (re)do it but the satisfaction to say "I've done it". That's probably why they're mostly ignored. But yeah, with reworked progression system and rewards, a deep dungeon could do the job if implemented right. As I said, it's more about having a content that fills the role of engagement content by giving you long term objectives and keep you occupied and interested (one way of doing that is to regulary unclock new reward like in the tribal quest, opposed to things like farming a bicolor gemstone mounts, that basically tell you "spend 300h and you'll get a mount in at the end, nothing in between"). That's why I think the job balance is another problem, and solving it won't change anything. You could fix all the job problems, and make them more fun, that would not be enough to solve this problem.

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Also the whole "chores" before raid is a boogeyman you have just invented to blame raiders for something that doesn't even happen. If the devs didn't add the chores before raiding is because they treat raiding as its own separate thing that only affects market boards and materia selling

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I don't know about the rest, but calling the whole "chore" before raid a boogeyman is severly lacking in MMO culture. That has been one of the recurring complaints about WoW for... ever (I've heard it so many times from so many people while I never played WoW). FFXIV was specifically designed with the idea of avoiding those problems. Adding them would be a betrayal of the promise of the game, No, FFXIV always has been about avoiding gating things behind anything but the msq and that has to stay. Plus I would argue that giving more things to do to raiders (that are a minority) would not solve the problem at all, since the people would still not do it, since they don't raid.

I would agree the lack of something like Eureka or Bozja in EW or DT (I think they don't have plans... unless the "Cosmic Explorer" thing falls into this) is a let-down.
Eurkea / Bozja as contents still have regular engagement in both NA / JP servers that I play on.

On the other hand, the "Variant Dungeons" are abandoned once people get all the nice shiny items. Square-Enix need to realize the concept was a failure.

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I would agree the lack of something like Eureka or Bozja in EW or DT (I think they don't have plans... unless the "Cosmic Explorer" thing falls into this) is a let-down.

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They announced one, the bermuda triangle thing that was mentionned in one of the early quest of DT. But from how it happened in earlier extensions, it's not happening before 7.25 (nearly halfway through the patch cycle). And as much as I hope this will be a better Bozja/Zadnor, they only communicated about the social aspect of it, people wanting to do things in large group. I can see them doing that while stripping the engagement mechanics to the bare minimum, since they never acknowledge that problem. This one is a big wait and see for me. I hope they will do it right, but I hate being right all the time when it comes to bad feelings.

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I don't know about the rest, but calling the whole "chore" before raid a boogeyman is severly lacking in MMO culture. That has been one of the recurring complaints about WoW for... ever (I've heard it so many times from so many people while I never played WoW). FFXIV was specifically designed with the idea of avoiding those problems. Adding them would be a betrayal of the promise of the game, No, FFXIV always has been about avoiding gating things behind anything but the msq and that has to stay. Plus I would argue that giving more things to do to raiders (that are a minority) would not solve the problem at all, since the people would still not do it, since they don't raid.

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I meant under the context of that argument.
If there is no chores is because XIV devs saw that and decided to avoid those problems not because raiders have the some kind of hold over the content that XIV releases, especially when XIV tries very hard to appeal to a more casual audience.

They just did mental gymnastics to blame raiders for something they are not blame

The main problem is that this "MMO" is not evolving. Its repeating the same formula and cashing in, which would be fine.... but its not complete enough to do that. And now that the story is crap the cracks are showing.

There are currently two options. You either are casual or you're an end content person. Generalizing, yes, but this is the options the gameplay gives us.

There is no inbetween content. No heroic dungeons, difficulty either ramps to max or youre doing cutscene dungeons. And you arent even rewarded anything decent for it. Gearing is non existent, you just craft your gear and go. Open world is just a pretty canvas with Soken music and fates littering the map in an ugly fashion.

Vanilla WoW is a well balanced open world game with challenge and well crafted itemization, sweeping questlines and item gathering leading you to raiding.

Wildstar had the best housing system ever made for an MMO

Combine that with the graphics of FFXIV and some well deserved polish and attention, more voice acted npcs, quest types, QoL and more and youd have the perfect MMO. But honestly. My take. This is an MMO designed for Japanese officeworkers. That have 2.3 hours of gametime per week

XIV's biggest problem has long been the roulette system, but it's taken several years for that to become glaringly apparent. The roulette system incentivizes players to return to irrelevant instanced content by offering them rewards detached from that content: additional XP and tomestones. Because the majority of this content is tied directly to MSQ progression, and much of it cannot yet be completed with AI party members, there must always be a sufficient number of players queuing for roulettes to prevent newer players from being blocked from progressing.

If they added enough other rewarding stuff to do elsewhere in the game such that too few people were queuing for roulettes, it would be disastrous. So every update just feeds the same content into the roulette system. Every dungeon and raid and trial is roughly the same length, because people would stop queuing for certain roulette types if there were a chance they'd get something too long or too unrewarding. It is a prison in which the developers trapped themselves. That's why the post-story gameplay mostly boils down to something more akin to Deep Rock Galactic than a true MMORPG: a lobby where you queue for a game and then play a little instanced content for 10-20 minutes before going back to the lobby.

The solution? I have no idea. I can't really see a viable way out of it.

biggest problems are : the state of that stale formula, sorry but when you can say almost all the content you'll get in the next expansion and being totally accurate on level you get said content etc there is a major probleme. to me for DT the expansion should have been split totally : having the first arc and keep all the sphene arc for 7.1+ (so you release the area related to it at the same time), it could have made the writting breathe more, could have been focusing on world building and character developpement etc

and the second is : that boring gearing system (im here since ARR), for a game that like to remind you that you can play everything, it has the worst way to handle gearing. dungeons gear being totally useless, and even savage gear becoming totally worthless the next patch. only having two real options for Bis (tome and savage) makes it boring too (but the substat system makes it so, crit and DH being way too powerful in the game). that's why i stopped doing savage, to me it became a waste of time because anyway i'll just wait to unsync one expansion later for mounts (if i want them). there isn't any kind of rewards, gear not having enough longevity to it (and not being "interesting" stats wise, the game could litterally throw away all substats it wouldn't change a thing)

and we can add to the problems : all those "concept" left to rot : jonathas and achievements not getting anything added to it since .... well litteraly since it released. gold saucer rewards being updated like once every expansion (and most of the time it's only to add one orchestrion roll). while we're on gold sauce : no update to chocobo racing, to mini games, to vermillion, to the fashion report vendor, etc. Even PvP is left in the dust, you get one map for CC once in a while but frontline, rivalwings got nothings in years, we don't even have anything to spend our trophy crystal on (since, like demonstrated before, vendor aren't updated or only once in years)

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But honestly. My take. This is an MMO designed for Japanese officeworkers. That have 2.3 hours of gametime per week

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100%. I'd take it even further: there is a non-zero chance that it is a game YoshiP and other FFXIV devs designed to be compatible with their own schedules!

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This is entirely false tho. Do I need to remember how the first thing they cut during the pandemic was the 2nd Shb ultimate raid?

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Oh noes! A piece of content that maybe 5% of people will clear is rescheduled for later? I mean, it was a pandemic and all that, they even delayed 5.3 released by 3 months or so?

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Or how in EW we didnt get any 24 man raid outside alliances?

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Well, we didin't get a new Bozja either. So overall it's a neutral impact.

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how the amount of casual side activities has actually increased

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Where? The only fundamentally new activity was Island Sanctuary (which, I admit, was good, but not everyone shares that sentiment). Everything else was more or less around for ages.

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Also the whole "chores" before raid is a boogeyman you have just invented to blame raiders for something that doesn't even happen. If the devs didn't add the chores before raiding is because they treat raiding as its own separate thing that only affects market boards and materia selling

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You should look into WoW's story to see how it went from an awesome world to a lobby dungeon/raiding simulator. The transformation was more or less complete before FFXIV even moved out of ARR. And now FFXIV is repeating the same mistakes again, sadly.

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especially when XIV tries very hard to appeal to a more casual audience.

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"Trying" being the keyword here. The only feature like that we got recently were the character plates (which, I admit, were an awesome idea). And other casual non-combat stuff like Gold Saucer, housing mechanics, chocobo racing etc. hasn't been updated in ages.

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It's why people play for years without tackling even an Extreme, even though Extremes are really not that much of a challenge. Just the idea that it is "harder" content is enough to dissuade people. Happens even on the higher end, where people woujld grind the boring Pandaemonium raids and not even step a foot into the legitimately fun Criterions because a bunch of influencers said Criterion was pointless.

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I think for many people it's not just the point that it's harder. For me for example it mostly feels like nonsense to do extremes when they release. Weapon drops will soon be outdated again and mount drops have such a tiny droprate that it's really crazy. For me personally it just feels like 'time-wasting-simulator' to try farm that stuff. And criterion had nothing really rewarding.

I wished for wingmounts for such a long time. Now they are gated behind extremes. Yeah, no thanks. No matter how much I wanted that, I won't play time-wasting-simulator for a mount. I have already so many mounts, but also so less opportunity to use them in this game. So..., just no. I can waste my time go play other games. Non-SE games!

*grabs switch and plays zelda*

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Oh noes! A piece of content that maybe 5% of people will clear is rescheduled for later? I mean, it was a pandemic and all that, they even delayed 5.3 released by 3 months or so?

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The point is that it was the first thing on the cutting block. If raiders were the ones who say what the game does or doesn't then the most important raids would never be cut, yet look at what happened (while casual content like the firmament stayed)

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That is a false equivalence since XIV never had the same focus on their open world outside ARR and maybe HW yet it thrived. Its simply not one of building blocks of this game contrary to WoW so saying that the game is failing because of that and its because of the JP raiders is plain mental gymnastics.

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"Trying" being the keyword here. The only feature like that we got recently were the character plates (which, I admit, were an awesome idea). And other casual non-combat stuff like Gold Saucer, housing mechanics, chocobo racing etc. hasn't been updated in ages.

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Ye ofc, that + content like variant dungeons, deep dungeons, may more side activities and tons of sidequests I'm probably forgetting, the alliance raids, the overall job changes, trusts... XIV if anything is much more worried about its casual audience than the majority of mmos on the market. In fact it does to a fault seeing how they even added very easy modes so even the lowest common denominator can reach the end without having to learn a bit on how to play the game


TLDR: Raiders are not at fault for the direction of the game, nor casuals, is the devs and pointing fingers to the players is a waste of time. We all want the game to be good again

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XIV's biggest problem has long been the roulette system, but it's taken several years for that to become glaringly apparent. The roulette system incentivizes players to return to irrelevant instanced content by offering them rewards detached from that content: additional XP and tomestones. Because the majority of this content is tied directly to MSQ progression, and much of it cannot yet be completed with AI party members, there must always be a sufficient number of players queuing for roulettes to prevent newer players from being blocked from progressing.

If they added enough other rewarding stuff to do elsewhere in the game such that too few people were queuing for roulettes, it would be disastrous. So every update just feeds the same content into the roulette system. Every dungeon and raid and trial is roughly the same length, because people would stop queuing for certain roulette types if there were a chance they'd get something too long or too unrewarding. It is a prison in which the developers trapped themselves. That's why the post-story gameplay mostly boils down to something more akin to Deep Rock Galactic than a true MMORPG: a lobby where you queue for a game and then play a little instanced content for 10-20 minutes before going back to the lobby.

The solution? I have no idea. I can't really see a viable way out of it.

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I think for many people it's not just the point that it's harder. For me for example it mostly feels like nonsense to do extremes when they release. Weapon drops will soon be outdated again and mount drops have such a tiny droprate that it's really crazy. For me personally it just feels like 'time-wasting-simulator' to try farm that stuff.

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I've been avoiding extremes up to now but decided to step into it this time.

I don't see the point in farming it but I do like that I've learned to do the fight properly from start to finish at a time when people are expecting to learn the whole fight. So I don't think it was a waste of time for the fights to be programmed and added to the game because I enjoyed learning the fight.

Beyond that, I'm regarding it more like a single-player RPG – I beat the hard thing, yay me, now I don't need to touch it again other than maybe trying for a weapon coffer. Farming and fancy wings can come much later when gear and drop rates are higher.

LL is out. It seems 7.1 will continue in the direction of "giving more high end content" hoping people will suddenly jump into them. High end content is the exact opposite of what the game need right now : low barrier entry content with a shelf life. Another hint that goes in the sense that they don't even understand (or choose to ignore) the importance of engagement content/content with longevity.

it seems that Yoshi-P at least mentionned the matter of long term content in an interview in Australia. Let's hope they'll get it right...

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it seems that Yoshi-P at least mentionned the matter of long term content in an interview in Australia. Let's hope they'll get it right...

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Oh he mentions a lot of stuff, but people should start to slowly look at his and the teams track record and wake up from the stupor. Actions matter, not words. He loves his structured releases per patch. I'd like that passion back that he had to rescue 1.0 from oblivion, they even mentioned it in the documentary series, I think it was Koji fox that said "We can't fall into the trap of being relaxed again." well lo and behold, they have. Instead of continuing with innovation full force, it's very very slow. Again normally I wouldnt care, but we are paying a monthly sub for this.

I have never cared about high end content, unless it had a good mount drop or somekind of glam I wanted. Because gearing in this game is worthless, anything you get? It will get replaced in the next patch or by some 2 second craft. Which is pathetic design for an MMO. I get enjoying solving fights with your community, and friendgroup, but I feel like the system just needs to change. Stats need to matter more and be more unique, gear needs to matter more and be unique, rarer, more multifauceted, jobs need to be more unique.

I think this game needs more L's, more disasters for them to wake up. Because its blatantly clear they won't innovate based on the need, but only because the actual company is at risk.

P.S
- Please don't let the Primals near another expansion themesong again, keep them relegated to dungeon OST's if you have to, thanks.
- Put Soken on a leash, he's very much weighing on the line of experimental "it sounds cool" vs what is actually immersive and puts you into the world. Don't even get me started on "Smile" which is the song version of "Show don't tell." Be happy happy happy... lalalala

- Fire whoevers idea it was to turn the MSQ from an adult story that respected you as an observer/listener/player into a Disney cartoon for 12-year olds that hammers its morals into you in the most juvenile way ever, I get that Dawntrail had some dark issues to solve with, but with the dialogue and tone of the story it felt like tossing dead-cenote babies at a screen showing the Emperor's new groove.

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remember that yoship once said that personal housing would be different from fc housing and wards and that they won't go the auto demo timer route. soooooo...

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Oh he mentions a lot of stuff, but people should start to slowly look at his and the teams track record and wake up from the stupor. Actions matter, not words. He loves his structured releases per patch. I'd like that passion back that he had to rescue 1.0 from oblivion, they even mentioned it in the documentary series, I think it was Koji fox that said "We can't fall into the trap of being relaxed again." well lo and behold, they have. Instead of continuing with innovation full force, it's very very slow. Again normally I wouldnt care, but we are paying a monthly sub for this.

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I'm glad they AT LAST talked about the elephant in the room, which is to me the biggest FFXIV problem, but with the all the bad choices of the last 3 years, I'm not gonna rejoice until I see the end result. Trust is not there anymore, and they can still fail the progression of that content. There is a big difference between a long running content with steps where you can see yourself progress and keep you engaged with rewards (those reward can be things like the bozja/zadnor medals) to those steps and a "farm 2500 - 3000 FATES to get one mount". I hope for the best and fear the worst.

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But seriously, even with a good equivalent of Bozja/Zadnor (I like everything but the global art direction for that zone), I'm not sure the cynical point of view toward the game I developped during those 3 years of nothing will ever fade. Something is not there anymore, and it might be too little too late. But I'll still wait and see this time, even if it may be the last time.

Im just slightly afraid this whole "Yoshi-P is tired of telling dark stories" article mightve played into Tural being neutered and disneyfied with extremely jarring dark moments and happy moments that did not vibe with the overall melody of the story. Alá train bomb + happy song for example

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Im just slightly afraid this whole "Yoshi-P is tired of telling dark stories" article mightve played into Tural being neutered and disneyfied with extremely jarring dark moments and happy moments that did not vibe with the overall melody of the story. Alá train bomb + happy song for example

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When there is a light story, there will always be a dark story following up ... ;-)

God I remember saying to people I hadn't done Eureka yet at the end of Shadowbringers and having people time and again tell me to not bother because it's bad and that Bozja wasn't much better lmfao
How times change (I really enjoyed Eureka, btw).

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God I remember saying to people I hadn't done Eureka yet at the end of Shadowbringers and having people time and again tell me to not bother because it's bad and that Bozja wasn't much better lmfao
How times change (I really enjoyed Eureka, btw).

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To me there is 2 reasons to that :
- from what I heard, farm in Amenos, Pagos and Pyros has been made easier : you get more crystals than what you used to during SB. Which makes the whole thing less of a pain (Hydatos still the wrost zone to farm - Pagos is a pain in your first run, but when it comes to farming for weapons, it's not that bad).
- people prefer have a bad content to occupy themselves than a no content at all that fill that function.

It's more about the function of the content than the content itself.

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God I remember saying to people I hadn't done Eureka yet at the end of Shadowbringers and having people time and again tell me to not bother because it's bad and that Bozja wasn't much better lmfao
How times change (I really enjoyed Eureka, btw).

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Everyone is different. Even back when Eureka came out, people loved it and hated it. I personally hated it. I still kinda do. I've learned not to be bothered as much by it. As someone who really bounced off of what FF11 was Eureka to me was just a cocktail of everything, I hated about 11.

But I'm glad you enjoyed it. It's just antithetical to what I enjoy from games.

I don't have any of the chase items from Bozja. I'm just rank 25. I think with Bozja, at least for me, it's the overall player attitudes. Like in Eureka, the system is so convaluted and abrasive that people will meet you halfway with confusion, and in Bozja, you should already know. And I can not stand that mentality, especially as someone with a learning disability. Sometimes, things make sense to everyone, but me. And I have to work harder than you do to learn them, but the irony is I never forget what I learned doing it.

But to make a long rant short, I found Bozja to be much more toxic than Eureka.

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remember that yoship once said that personal housing would be different from fc housing and wards and that they won't go the auto demo timer route. soooooo...

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- Put Soken on a leash, he's very much weighing on the line of experimental "it sounds cool" vs what is actually immersive and puts you into the world. Don't even get me started on "Smile" which is the song version of "Show don't tell." Be happy happy happy... lalalala

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Smile was Sokens first huge "whiff", but it felt so bad it felt like it was on a completely different level. What's funny is that it could be a decent song, but it's really misused. The train bomb was laughable, the end of the game and Wuk's speech are bot hamfisted, and the night version of Tuliyollal while actually nice to listen to doesn't really fit IMO.

I'm not sure if it's Soken's fault that it was used how it was or if that was Hiroi's doing, or even Yoshi-P's, but I hope whoever was in charge of that song's placement learned a valuable lesson.

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Everyone is different. Even back when Eureka came out, people loved it and hated it.

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THe thing is these day when you hear people say they love or hate it, it lacks a lot of nuance and context. For example, these day HW is often sung in the highest praise, but for those of us who played it at launch, outside of the story it wasn't good experience. Over the years, both during a after the expansion there were a lot of polish and fixed that went into it to make what it is today.

It's the samething with Eureka. From what I remember the initial reception was quite positive. Yes, the Netflix train is a meme, but that wasn't a bad thing because it was generally possitive vibe. Chat was always busy, people talked and socialized because the content wasn't demanding. If you were someone enjoy a casual and relax content that you can play and socialize at the same time, it was perfect. And I feel that's what the relic is supposed to be, a casual grind.


The problem is, either because the Dev listened to a few vocal about how Netflix train is a bad meme, or they took offend on how the community was playing the content. in the next two zone they start adding hardcore mechanic, gating system, a lot seem to exist with the sole purpose of punishing the players. And guess what? EVERYONE hate it. People who got killed on the way, people who waited and than missed their kill, people who lost their progress .etc. that positive vibe just turned into a cespool of toxic negativity.


If you played HellDiver 2 recently then it kinda a similar evolution. Game was released and people had fun with good vibe. But instead of connecting with the community vibe, prideful devs insist they want players to play the game they want to design instead, and it almost killed the game. It was so bad that the CEO whose vision was how the game were originally conceptualize had to resign and return to be the creative director so he has more direct involve. They did a hard course correction to return to how it was at launch in order to save the game.