Leveling is pain

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Originally Posted by Rueby

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Thank you so much for the advice I really appreciate it

The game def need to reward player with more xp. in GW2 and WoW, you can easily reach level cap whitin like 1-3 days whitout tryharding or using the most efficient mechanic. In here if you don't do the fastest content (roullete) you're just slowed even more down.

I only focus on 5 jobs for each expansion for their role quest story. :)

Tank/Healer/Melee/Magic Range/Physical Range.

If that expansion is really really boring I will only max the first 3 jobs. Currently on my 5th job melee dps for DT.

Honestly, road to 90 should just apply to anyone who visits a new/preferred world. It would get established players to server travel off congested worlds when they want EXP.

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Originally Posted by Syln

Now imagine if they had released the new "open field" content right now instead of waiting 8 months, you wouldn't be here complaining, you'll be playing the game.

But nooo let's dilute the content so much even the expansion release feel like a glass of tap water, sticking to the usual formula is such a miss play after Endwalker content drought + the awful 7.0 msq at that point it feels like someone in Square Enix is trying realy hard to sabotage the company :D

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people in here thinking content needs no time to be developed. LMFAO

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Originally Posted by NailBach

people in here thinking content needs no time to be developed. LMFAO

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People think it takes 4 months for the devs of the second biggest MMO on the market and the companies cash cow to push out 2 hours of story and an alliance raid

The 7.1 content release will be a joke. They need to up the amount of content they release, it’s beyond a joke at this point

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Originally Posted by NailBach

people in here thinking content needs no time to be developed. LMFAO

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Everyone is aware that players consume content faster than it takes for others to create it.
But Square Enix is a big company, and FFXIV is very much their only load bearer at this point. It would be smart to invest into more teams that work independently to make more content available each patch than ever before, I believe.

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Originally Posted by Magikazam

The game def need to reward player with more xp. in GW2 and WoW, you can easily reach level cap whitin like 1-3 days whitout tryharding or using the most efficient mechanic. In here if you don't do the fastest content (roullete) you're just slowed even more down.

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I don't know GW2 very well (I tried it out for a few weeks, wasn't terribly impressed, haven't touched it since), but in WoW, the endgame is the main focus and leveling is just the time sink to get to it. In FFXIV, the story is the main focus, so leveling faster doesn't really matter much unless you also buy a story skip, because the story is gonna gate the content anyway.

It's been less than 2 months. Leveling isn't "slow" just because you haven't finished something that is supposed to take up your time for the next two years. You can do savage, treasure maps, hunting, rare fates, crafting and gathering, side quests, sightseeing, jumping puzzles and bicolor farming when you get bored of leveling dungeons. It's ok to save some leveling for when they release the new large scale content or deep dungeon. It's not like people play 21 jobs regularly, so they don't all need to be capped ASAP.

I have whiplash from this topic going from 'leveling is pain' to 'make the hardest content in the game a viable leveling option'.

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Originally Posted by Zyvex

All my side Jobs sitting at 90, being neglected like the middle children...

Leveling is such a repetitive pain and unsatisfying grind, that burns out any sane mind... Why not make it a little more interesting and rewarding?

My proposal:
Make Ultimates give an ungodly amount of exp. Specifically make them give perfectly enough exp to bump you +10 levels from the Ultimate's original level.

So UwU and UCoB push you from 70-80,
TEA from 80-90,
DSR and TOP from 90-100.

That way there is actual incentive to do it and to learn other jobs.
It would reward being good at the game, increase job diversity as more people would actually learn more jobs and cause an outrage among casuals for everyone to enjoy. No downsides.

What do you think? Make this post blow up or be forgotten... Whatever it shall be, SqEx ignores it anyway...... UNLESS?

Edit: Let me add, that ofc u have to be gatekept somehow, otherwise this wouldn't be ffxiv! So to unlock the exp feature on a patch n.1 / n.3 ultimate you will have to finish the n+1.0 patch MSQ

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way too many "casual" players that'd bitch and moan about this, they complained about an axolotl mount for gods sake...

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Originally Posted by IvoryHawk

way too many "casual" players that'd bitch and moan about this, they complained about an axolotl mount for gods sake...

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Tbf, I'm working through savage and I think they dropped the ball with the axolotl mount lol. Would have made a better island sanctuary mount imo.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

I don't know GW2 very well (I tried it out for a few weeks, wasn't terribly impressed, haven't touched it since), but in WoW, the endgame is the main focus and leveling is just the time sink to get to it. In FFXIV, the story is the main focus, so leveling faster doesn't really matter much unless you also buy a story skip, because the story is gonna gate the content anyway.

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The story is the main focus but it not like we get to experience it and get msq exp with more than like, 2 classes at best for each xpac. I don't mind leveling like, 2 classes with the story, since the MSQ xp is fine and make you progress, well, with the story. But when it time to level the like, 16 others classes in the game you basicly just have dailies and after that the xp gain is painfully slow.

why do you have to level all the jobs right away? The next expansion comes out in two years.

It'll be much quicker once the new field operation is released
Someone else already went over the different ways to quickly level, so I won't go into too much depth there
Running Aglaia nonstop though is very tedious, but I've only done that a handful of times

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Ultimates giving EXP is one thing, but them giving +10 of their unlock level is completely broken, at the very most I would have them give 3/4 a bar of a level.

Most people aren't going to be incentivized to learn an entire ultimate for the sake of levelling a job.

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Wait, what? Your statements conflict. If most people won't do an ultimate to level, why is +10 broken then? If they only get 3/4 of a bar like you say yeah they wouldn't be incentivized. Which statement are you trying to lean on here?

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Originally Posted by Sivante

Wait, what? Your statements conflict. If most people won't do an ultimate to level, why is +10 broken then? If they only get 3/4 of a bar like you say yeah they wouldn't be incentivized. Which statement are you trying to lean on here?

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They don't conflict.

Players that don't do ultimate won't be incentivized, but this does not detract from how broken a levelling method it would be for those that do the content and have learned that content, as you would effectively be giving people 10 levels worth of level-relevant exp for those that engage in that specific content. I am not averse to ultimates granting exp, just the rate of EXP that OP proposes.

My only issue is I really don't want to spam roulettes anymore, and that's kinda the easiest way. It's just that after 11 years, I just don't want to anymore.

It's not as bad in EW. In EW, it felt like getting to 85 was a chore. After that was much easier, but getting past 85 made me want to stop doing it a few times. But I haven't had any issues from 90 to 100 besides general boredom and the woes of leveling up in synced combat, so your class never changes. But that's more an issue with the game in general rather than a complaint towards the leveling experience.

Frontline gives almost half xp bar, plus the tomes. Not bad for not even 20 minutes a day.