Cultural-Appropriate Voice Actors in Dawntrail, for once.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Play in Japanese.

I mean, this is a troll thread but I'll take any excuse to urge people to just use the Japanese dub.

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Or german, we dont do that either, except for very very rare occasions lol

I'm South American (brazilian) and honestly, I don't understand that weird, obsessive push for "cultural appropriate voice actors". It's *voice acting*.
It doesn't - it shouldn't - matter what the person behind the voice is, where they come from or looks like, what should matter is the quality of the acting, how the voice sounds, and how well it fits the character. Why do people care so much about it?
I play with JP voices, so I don't know, but from what I've heard, Bakool Ja Ja's voice was well received because the actor did a good job. That's what matters most. The majority of people wouldn't go out of their way to research the VA's background and change their opinion on the acting they just heard if they don't align with the "expected" culture. Also, it's a fantasy world, inspired by many different South American cultures mixed together to make a new one - it's not a documentary. It doesn't matter.

For us, that obsessive push for cultural sensitivity is such a weird, north-American thing, that fails to understand the situation and pushes for the wrong solutions for problems they just created and we don't actually care about.
Just...don't be maliciously offensive about another culture. Don't pretend to know them better than themselves. That's it.
And also, don't use "latinx".

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Originally Posted by chizLemons

For us, that obsessive push for cultural sensitivity is such a weird, north-American thing, that fails to understand the situation and pushes for the wrong solutions for problems they just created and we don't actually care about.

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You are right, it very much is.

"I don't care what they taught you in school -Cleopatra was black" - that is the perfect example of their "attitude".

Unfortunately, most of US based corpos are infected with this virus and considering their reach, it's rapidly spreading all over the world.

I don't understand what half the things mean OP mentioned but why does it even matter what is going on the the personal lives of the voice talents? I like the performance of both characters that have been mentioned but why does it matter where they are from or what their personal views are on things. For example, Phil LaMarr voiced Samurai Jack and last time I checked he isn't Japanese but does he have to be to voice a character based on a samurai? I don't think so. If you have the talent to do so, you should be able to voice any character that suits your range because that is part of the job, you are a voice actor and a good actor can play many different roles. And isn't that the beautiful part of voice acting in particular, the fact that only your voice matters? Meaning that no matter what you look like, your voice can be lend to any kind of character. Like an adult would probably have a hard time portraying a child character in a movie whereas an adult could 100% voice a child character and make it sound believable.

Tell me, OP, what your opinion on Dragon Ball? My friend asking. From Mexico.

Culturally appropriate voice acting contributes to a richer, more inclusive delivery of the story. When diverse cultures are represented with the respect and authenticity they deserve, overall the ability to deliver the story improves.

Also, avoiding harmful stereotypes when engaging in a story with BIPOC characters is important in celebrating the culture respectfully. Someone already mentioned earlier, the characters with "Jaja" in their names... That would have been a disaster had SE not gone the extra mile to actually include diverse voices in the playing of these characters.

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Originally Posted by Medodo

Culturally appropriate voice acting contributes to a richer, more inclusive delivery of the story. When diverse cultures are represented with the respect and authenticity they deserve, overall the ability to deliver the story improves.

Also, avoiding harmful stereotypes when engaging in a story with BIPOC characters is important in celebrating the culture respectfully. Someone already mentioned earlier, the characters with "Jaja" in their names... That would have been a disaster had SE not gone the extra mile to actually include diverse voices in the playing of these characters.

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Originally Posted by chizLemons

For us, that obsessive push for cultural sensitivity is such a weird, north-American thing, that fails to understand the situation and pushes for the wrong solutions for problems they just created and we don't actually care about.
Just...don't be maliciously offensive about another culture. Don't pretend to know them better than themselves. That's it.
And also, don't use "latinx".

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This so much. BOTH sides of politics in the USA seem so completely radicalised in their beliefs and the hatred of "the other". As an European reading discussion/the news it's so baffling how the masses embrace the nonsense.

Can you please fight this dudess fight on Twitter? Does everything Bryer posts have to be spread across all platforms?

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Originally Posted by LLamaPie

Wrong.

Woke Lamut should have been voiced by an actual cat.

The lizard people should have been voiced by actual lizards.

This is unacceptable.

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"The lizards and cats communities approve this message" :3

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Play in Japanese.

I mean, this is a troll thread but I'll take any excuse to urge people to just use the Japanese dub.

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It’s kinda funny that zoraal ja his japanese voice actor Daisuke Ono also voiced jotaro kujo and both are dead beat father's and also the moment I heard his voice using Japanese dub my reaction was like “holy shit that’s so freaking cool” only for the character to be meh.

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Originally Posted by lolnotacat

Every time I hear it in Spanish I die a little. The worst is when it's someone here in the US doing it and speaking Spanish (I've never heard anyone from LATAM do it unironically), because I completely lose track of the conversation. My Spanish isn't the best so hearing a made up gender on a word takes all my processing power to figure out WTF they're trying to say.

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The only time I've heard or saw the attempt of the gender neutral one, the one ending in "e", it's usually from politicians or companies, and every time the response I see it's "habla bien" followed by a swear word.
If I heard someone using it in conversation, I'm pretty sure I would walk away. I'd rather appear rude than hear that.

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Originally Posted by Medodo

Culturally appropriate voice acting contributes to a richer, more inclusive delivery of the story. When diverse cultures are represented with the respect and authenticity they deserve, overall the ability to deliver the story improves.

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Please, for the love of all that's unholy, find a new way to deal with your personal sense of guilt.

One that doesn't include being condescending to anyone "below" you.

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Originally Posted by Midare

Please, for the love of all that's unholy, find a new way to deal with your personal sense of guilt.

One that doesn't include being condescending to anyone "below" you.

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I think it is hardly condescending to draw attention to something objectively good for the community. Especially in light of the question being posited.

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Originally Posted by Medodo

I think it is hardly condescending to draw attention to something objectively good for the community. Especially in light of the question being posited.

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No, it is "objectively good".

You're trying to colonize my language.

Please, kindly, go away.

I guess all it takes is one good bite

https://media.tenor.com/Yyc8h2frQlEA...hlberg-smh.gif

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Originally Posted by Medodo

I think it is hardly condescending to draw attention to something objectively good for the community. Especially in light of the question being posited.

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Just food for thought - when someone from a society you want to help tells you that your way of helping is doing more harm than good, it may be time to reevaluate the way you are helping.
This message is written this vague on purpose.

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Originally Posted by Magikazam

As a Quebecois who follow french politic, Trust me, you would be surprised how much France as ingrained modern brainrot. The main difference is that French people do love to complain, like a lot so there a big push back mouvement to that.

In Quebec it more tame, for the simple reason we where already inclusive before the whole US brain rot began. So when some SJW mouvements try to lecture people, they quickly get called out on their bs. A good exemple is that we don't get some SJW bubble kind of mouvement in our university. Reason is we got tons of french-speaking foreigners who come to study here. Since they are away from home, they get an extra economical pressure from the fact they have to pay rent and food and that make them generally outperform the rest of the class, since they put more effort in their work. So you know, these people don't really like when some random keyboard warrior come and try to speak on their behalf about the hardship of being a minority.

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I just want that Iel shit out of the french language. It doesn't feel natural, but moreso like it's being forced upon us.

People should be cast based on skill. Not skin. I think this is something every culture can agree with, because if you only look for people of xxx culture, you unwittingly exclude all the other cultures just because they're ethnically different.

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Originally Posted by Medodo

I think it is hardly condescending to draw attention to something objectively good for the community. Especially in light of the question being posited.

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Oop. Someone got their wires crossed and confused 'subjective' with 'objective' again. Easy mistake.

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Originally Posted by Mortex

It’s kinda funny that zoraal ja his japanese voice actor Daisuke Ono also voiced jotaro kujo and both are dead beat father's and also the moment I heard his voice using Japanese dub my reaction was like “holy shit that’s so freaking cool” only for the character to be meh.

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Damn, daisuke ono is doing him? Guys a legend

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Play in Japanese.

I mean, this is a troll thread but I'll take any excuse to urge people to just use the Japanese dub.

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The voice direction in English is really bad in this expansion but the japanese voice acting is one of the best XIV ever had.

Funny that a certain youtube idiot (ProJared) said everyone who thought that way didn't know what good voice acting was and "only liked hearing cute noises we don't understand". And I know other English speakers who think that way too.
Imagine thinking you need to understand the exact words of a language to distinguish emotions and intonation. That's such a typical "ENGLISH! DUB ONLY!" american mentality.

Good voice acting has little to do with the words you say and a lot more with how you make characters sound for appropriate moments.

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Originally Posted by Medodo

not trying to sound rude but i included those because that is who the original tweet was addressing... or did u not even try to read the post?

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People are just tired of HC's that try to force their will on others by associating/mixing up FANTASY GAME Characters/Assets with Real life People/Communities.

Most people play Games to take a break from Real life, not to have yet another Drama going on because someone wants to feel offended.

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Originally Posted by Araxes

People are just tired of HC's that try to force their will on others by associating/mixing up FANTASY GAME Characters/Assets with Real life People/Communities.

Most people play Games to take a break from Real life, not to have yet another Drama going on because someone wants to feel offended.

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THIS so much...

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Originally Posted by Medodo

I think it is hardly condescending to draw attention to something objectively good for the community. Especially in light of the question being posited.

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If it is "objectively good," then why is it a demonstrable, and more to the point by now entirely predictable, negative?

You will, one day, be forced to reckon with these failures produced so regularly I can practically set my watch by them, and reconcile them with your assertions as to their excellence. Hopefully, you are made to do so before I go to meet my maker, because that will be fucking hilarious to witness.

The cast is really diverse this time around.

Wuk Lamat is voiced by Ayaka Shimoyamada
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vi...himoyamada.jpghttps://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...U68BbDJ_tQ.png

Erenville is voiced by Rikuya Yasuda
https://image.tmdb.org/t/p/w500/eZCx...9Xp4zNDlY3.jpghttps://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...AQR2gpho7Q.png

Koana is voiced by Kaito Ishikawa
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/pr...kawa_Kaito.jpghttps://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...WaQzACR2W0.png

Zoraal Ja is voiced by Daisuke Ono
https://static.jojowiki.com/images/t...no_Infobox.pnghttps://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...Pjgd1_dyRw.png

Bakool Ja Ja is voiced by Shunsuke Takeuchi
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/tt...keTakeuchi.jpghttps://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...dzsZ00ByKQ.png

Gulool Ja Ja is voiced by Kenichirou Matsuda
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/ja...8D_Matsuda.pnghttps://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...GuHzlE8r3A.png

Queen Sphene Alexandros XIV is voiced by Lynn
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/hot...1680931083.jpghttps://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...kSdY0PNRXk.png

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Originally Posted by Benjo

The cast is really diverse this time around.

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Never stops being funny.

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Originally Posted by Medodo

Culturally appropriate voice acting contributes to a richer, more inclusive delivery of the story. When diverse cultures are represented with the respect and authenticity they deserve, overall the ability to deliver the story improves.

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What does this even mean? And where were you during Heavensward and Stormblood.

Blatantly looking through an american lens.

Moooom, the weird people are trying to turn a fantasy world into the real world again, moooooom

I nominate my cat for new Wuk Lamat Voice actor

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Originally Posted by Medodo

Culturally appropriate voice acting contributes to a richer, more inclusive delivery of the story. When diverse cultures are represented with the respect and authenticity they deserve, overall the ability to deliver the story improves.

Also, avoiding harmful stereotypes when engaging in a story with BIPOC characters is important in celebrating the culture respectfully. Someone already mentioned earlier, the characters with "Jaja" in their names... That would have been a disaster had SE not gone the extra mile to actually include diverse voices in the playing of these characters.

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What culture are you talking about? You do realise this is a game right? Just a fantasy game, talking elephants, faeries, weird orange cat...bunny and cat people...and lizzards.

https://i.imgur.com/ZRYoyKN.jpeg

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Originally Posted by Mecia

What does this even mean? And where were you during Heavensward and Stormblood.

Blatantly looking through an american lens.

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Oh, that an easy one, You see, the virtue signaling gang are just a bunch of racist who only care about victims mentality. So you know, since they consider white people to be the ''majority'' they strip them of their cultural identity and just decide that what they would call a ''white role'' is just a normal role. So you know, anyone can play it.

For Stormblood it even worst, You see, the stereotype about Asian is that they are good at math and technology, and sucessfull in live, so they get stripped of out their ''minority'' status and it okay to ignore them like they don't exist.


I wish this was a joke, but trust me, after years of seeing their clown shows all over medias. You would be surprise how weird they are. For people that pretend to care about inclusivity, they are quick to strip out your culture the moment in convenient to them. I've seen some of them go as far as tell some people that they ain't ''real *insert minority here*'' cause they disagree with them.

The virtue signaling club just care about creating a culture war, rather than solving the issue they claim to fight against.

Latinx needs to die. Anyone who uses that term unironically needs to get out of their house and talk to actual real people.

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Originally Posted by lolnotacat

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Did you just make this up to be angry about it?

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Originally Posted by Volgia

Did you just make this up to be angry about it?

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Make what up? The shoop version of the comic that's been floating around since DT dropped or the original comic that's like 4 years old?

I avoided other threads.
BUT DONT EVER CALL HISPANICS "LATINX"

if you even had any reason to stand on.

That alone would make anything you said worthless.
(If there was anything of worth but bait to begin with.)

that is all. il outta here. didn't even bother to read anything asides page 1. and whatever I saw of the last page when replying. Good Comic Conversion BTW.

(It's like some ppl forget how Hispanic Culture is at times, for better and worse. Yet Wash it away under a guise of peace.)

So, just to stir this stupid pot even more, I was under the impression that the term 'Latinx' was created by Latin Americans themselves. Is that not correct?

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

So, just to stir this stupid pot even more, I was under the impression that the term 'Latinx' was created by Latin Americans themselves. Is that not correct?

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I'm lazy so here's a snippet from Wikipedia:

https://i.imgur.com/yCD8tak.png

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Originally Posted by Maxilor

I'm lazy so here's a snippet from Wikipedia:

https://i.imgur.com/yCD8tak.png

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that says nothing at all about how it first started...

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

that says nothing at all about how it first started...

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https://i.imgur.com/HaUGaMn.png

or are you asking us to verify what the ethnicity of the anonymous internet users that first started using it?