EX mount drop rates still trash.

To be fair, upping the drop rate would probably push players to try extreme more often. At the same time, they want players to engage in difficult content more, and then they go "You see the mount you might want to do the extreme for, well, you have very low drop, and if you do it 99 times, you can have the mount in 8 month". Of course they won't bother. Mount should be the carrot that will push players into extremes, not the reward for those who're gonna do it anyway.

Sometime I feel they simplify things everywhere but at the place they should.

Dang. I got the EX 2 wings on my first clear. I guess I’m just super lucky.

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Originally Posted by Heavenchild

Just because it's 'always' that artificially scarced does not mean that this is good.
Often they talk about respecting the player's time. And then they make such low droprates and make people farm 99 totems and wait a long time.
Droprates should be minimum 33%. Would be still timeconsuming enough.

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drop rates are increased when the next one releases, just farm it later then

I like to think of it this way.

On average, it takes ~10 minutes per run. With a good group, you can get it to under 9 minutes reliably. With a meh group, 10:30 is enrage, I think. Give or take. I digress.

Assuming 10 minutes per run and 99 clears, which assumes a lot of lost time even with efficient kills finding groups, loading in, breaks, etc, that's still ~16.5 hours to get enough totems for 1 mount.

To put some perspective on this number, it is above the time it takes to grind an entire zeta efficiently from beginning to end (ignoring open ended grinds like poetics,) about the amount of time you might unreasonably wish to spend grinding the entire delubrum reginae step for all ShB relics (assuming 20m completion times, which was doable, this is also very estimated and based on fuzzy memory,) and is about 60% the time of 1 eureka relic from start to finish (hey, devs, can you please make eureka relics not eye-watering grinds? It's been over half a decade, please nerf the grind already.)

A player might reasonably want to grind all 6 extreme mounts as it comes out, and get awful luck never getting a single mount from RNG. Which comes out to a cool, even 100 hours. Which is...about the grind time of the original zeta relics from start to finish, but also estimated because luck was a major factor.

This is optimized, no downtime, no wasted runs, 10 minutes average. Which is far from real world conditions.

Personally, I'd be okay with this cut in half, third, or even a quarter of this value. ~100 hours idealized is a bit ridiculous considering the hidden costs not factored in and the frustration of losing yet another RNG drop.

I get it, the devs want it to be a grind. This is 'Clearing an ultimate for the first time' levels of commitment and it's a bit silly for a special mount.

That's just my 2 cents, would be nice if the devs made the grind less silly now and going forward for all future extremes. This is temporary content that is not specifically supposed to be a major long-term grind, so it would be nice to just not be a major long-term grind.

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Originally Posted by SaitoHajime

For the love of god please increase the drops rates. Do the devs really think it’s fun, running the same trial repeatedly, possibly 99 times is fun? Just to roll single digits when they do drop? When people can be doing other content or leveling other jobs..

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Honestly i'd love even just to have the mount buyable from day one, even if it had to be 300 totems or so, then going down to 99 later, a friend in my FC spent over 800 clears going for Zeromus mount, this time i just decided to put a PF up for 2m per person on mount drop and the wings dropped on the first damn clear, everyone came away with gil, and it's totally legal to do so before anyone starts yapping.

The stupid thing is that you can't even buy them on release. You just have to wait 6-8 months. Which is absurd.

Generation instant gratification taking another L. You love to see it.

I like the idea of exclusive and hard to get items, its kind of cool to see people hanging around with those things, I guess bragging rights items they call it?

It's part of the lifeblood of an MMO, and you get it down the line once you have your 99 totems, so this is just a non-complaint.

Maybe I'm getting old but is that supposed to be fun to run content 100+ times that require you to watch a super mario double dash conga hector lector HTTMLDPSSPS PF strat, only to show it off to.. whom exactly? Those few gatherers on the overworld? Level 5 sprouts in lower la noscea? Waiting for snek?

I could get behind it if battles were a bit more dynamic and random in this game but it's basically the same dance a hundred times over lol. Nice for those who like it but honestly a whole lot of wasted time on mindless repititon for a piece of data. I think 50 runs was the max I could tolerate tbh but even that is really pushing it...

I feel there ain't much "bragging rights" in just getting lucky on your 10th try, while some poor sod got it on their 150th.

Sitting on 99 myself, and okay 1 patch later fine. but 2 patches later? why? No rush I guess, but still.

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Originally Posted by Shikiseki

Maybe I'm getting old but is that supposed to be fun to run content 100+ times that require you to watch a super mario double dash conga hector lector HTTMLDPSSPS PF strat, only to show it off to.. whom exactly? Those few gatherers on the overworld? Level 5 sprouts in lower la noscea? Waiting for snek?

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I can't imagine what it must be like to only ever do things for people other than yourself to look at them. Seems miserable.

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Originally Posted by Shikiseki

Maybe I'm getting old but is that supposed to be fun to run content 100+ times that require you to watch a super mario double dash conga hector lector HTTMLDPSSPS PF strat, only to show it off to.. whom exactly? Those few gatherers on the overworld? Level 5 sprouts in lower la noscea? Waiting for snek?

I could get behind it if battles were a bit more dynamic and random in this game but it's basically the same dance a hundred times over lol. Nice for those who like it but honestly a whole lot of wasted time on mindless repititon for a piece of data. I think 50 runs was the max I could tolerate tbh but even that is really pushing it...

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This is the worst, usually its the ONE way to do it and no one dares to even try anything else, usually first guide is becoming the default lol
...it gets really boring after a few dozen times...

Yeah, I do think 50 is like the absolute limit, especially when there are 2 EX released at the same time. I think SE knew people gonna want the wing because it's something completely new comparing to the usual mount, and they decided to milk it as much as possible.

all i want is the totems to be useable first patch the ex is out

Sitting at 101 valigarmada totems and 100 zoraal'ja totems. Between both of the bosses, I saw the mount from valigarmada about 10 times and the mount from zoraal'ja about 8 times.

The entire farming process wasn't bad, but the waiting period to buy with totems is far too long imo.

This I agree with. At least let ppl be able to buy the mount right away or the following mid patch. But to have to wait for so long is silly..

Please decrease the drops rates.

I don't understand what all the fuss is about. I've seen plenty of players who have these new ex mounts. Maybe you folks just need to put more time into farming them.

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Originally Posted by SaitoHajime

For the love of god please increase the drops rates. Do the devs really think it’s fun, running the same trial repeatedly, possibly 99 times is fun? Just to roll single digits when they do drop? When people can be doing other content or leveling other jobs..

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Lol correct ex- 99 ballads - 50 times

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

all i want is the totems to be useable first patch the ex is out

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Why? Just farm your totems, wait until you can buy it and let the people who got lucky drops enjoy their shiny mounts for a while.

People whining because they don't get instant gratification at every turn is the reason that patch content lasts 2 days and then there's nothing to do for 4 months. You don't need everything immediately.

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Originally Posted by BigCheez

Why? Just farm your totems, wait until you can buy it and let the people who got lucky drops enjoy their shiny mounts for a while.

People whining because they don't get instant gratification at every turn is the reason that patch content lasts 2 days and then there's nothing to do for 4 months. You don't need everything immediately.

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99 runs is absolutely not instant, or fitting what instant gratification is or would bring. It takes time, a lot of it in fact. It should be rewarded too.

Don't know how people can defend waiting months and months and months just to be able to BUY the mount from the shop.
Just make it instantly available to buy, an 8 month wait is just not a good feature at all.

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Originally Posted by Doragan

99 runs is absolutely not instant, or fitting what instant gratification is or would bring. It takes time, a lot of it in fact. It should be rewarded too.

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It's 50 runs and you are rewarded because that's enough runs to get the mount. You just have to wait a few patches.

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Originally Posted by Doragan

99 runs is absolutely not instant, or fitting what instant gratification is or would bring. It takes time, a lot of it in fact. It should be rewarded too.

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This so much, i had to buy most of em, to the point it just feels pointless doing em, cause why torture during release when you wait months anyways and could as well wait for nerfs...

All of my bought ones have that... ik its silly, but they feel tainted to me, not earned, all i feel using em is the surrender to the droprate and waiting for ages...

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Originally Posted by KillaKilala

Please decrease the drops rates.

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Don't you mean increase? Lol.

Drop rates are not even the only issue. It's the fact that those low drop rates still need to be divided by 8 in order to get the actual chance of winning the mount, when farming via party finder, because people understandably leave after they won.

I stopped hunting them after HW. They will get released for free later.

Nice! I got ex1 mount on my 22nd run and saw it one other time. Rolled a 94! Still have t got the other EXs yet..

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Originally Posted by BigCheez

Why? Just farm your totems, wait until you can buy it and let the people who got lucky drops enjoy their shiny mounts for a while.

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Why would anyone farm the totems for a mount now? They actively incentivize players not to do the latest extreme. Can't buy the mount, but when you can buy the mount over half way through the expansion the drop rate is increased and by that time you can already clear it faster with better gear. And if you don't give in to instant gratification by waiting just a little longer you will soon be able to do it unsynced. Or you can wait to get it for free in a future mog tome event.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Why would anyone farm the totems for a mount now? They actively incentivize players not to do the latest extreme. Can't buy the mount, but when you can buy the mount over half way through the expansion the drop rate is increased and by that time you can already clear it faster with better gear. And if you don't give in to instant gratification by waiting just a little longer you will soon be able to do it unsynced. Or you can wait to get it for free in a future mog tome event.

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That's what makes it special. The whole point of it is as a symbol of bragging rights. The fact that you were persistent enough to beat the odds (or lucky enough) and get the mount. Once it's older, then more people have a chance to get it, and it's less prestigious. Thus, they raise drop rates and add the pity buy.

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Originally Posted by GartredZW

That's what makes it special. The whole point of it is as a symbol of bragging rights. The fact that you were persistent enough to beat the odds (or lucky enough) and get the mount. Once it's older, then more people have a chance to get it, and it's less prestigious. Thus, they raise drop rates and add the pity buy.

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I get that but the only people who benefit are the ones who actually do their 435 runs to get the drop. The people who stop at 99 totems as suggested have just wasted their time with nothing to show for it. There is no reason to do that on launch.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

I get that but the only people who benefit are the ones who actually do their 435 runs to get the drop. The people who stop at 99 totems as suggested have just wasted their time with nothing to show for it. There is no reason to do that on launch.

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ok, no one's forcing you. Either keep going to get the mount, or know that you'll get it a couple patches down the line. Like I said, it keeps the mount rare and prestigious.

Thread gives me elegon and anzu farming ptsd flashbacks from wow. I still don't have those it's been decades. I No longer care. The practice of making these mounts so hard to get eventually makes people give up.