Dawntrail is the first expansion where I started skipping cutscenes. The story is bad

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Originally Posted by justausername

are you for real? Getting all whiny and upset because you aren't the center of attention 24/7? You know the character we are is supposed be mentoring others, right? We have been to the edge of the universe and back, we are taking a goddamn step back and fostering the souls of others. Everyone around could tell we shouldn't be messed with. Constantly making comments about how scary we are even if they don't know us.
If that makes you want to quit playing then bye bye. No one will miss you. You've honestly missed the point of the story from the very beginning of the game.

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What mentoring do we do? We don't coach Wuk Lmao or train her. We kinda just stand there and watch her the whole expansion. None of her power is gained from us, but rather a random power spike in Yak Tel. We are a glorified NPC bodyguard to an annoying nepo baby.

If you removed the WoL from the story, nothing would change. You could swap us out for Y'shtola or Estinien and the story would be identical. That is the problem.

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Also (imo) purposefully cultivating a game where a gigantic portion of the player base is attached to their own character after 10+ years and then effectively Thanos snapping their characters out of the narrative is certainly a choice.

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

What mentoring do we do? We don't coach Wuk Lmao or train her. We kinda just stand there and watch her the whole expansion. None of her power is gained from us, but rather a random power spike in Yak Tel. We are a glorified NPC bodyguard to an annoying nepo baby.

If you removed the WoL from the story, nothing would change. You could swap us out for Y'shtola or Estinien and the story would be identical. That is the problem.

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Also (imo) purposefully cultivating a game where a gigantic portion of the player base is attached to their own character after 10+ years and then effectively Thanos snapping their characters out of the narrative is certainly a choice.

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It would be more honest if they forced us to create a new character for this ‘brand new adventure’, where there at least could be an excuse why no prior knowledge is used to solve the Endless problem and our character is dumb and invisible. But eating the cake and having it is very strong here.

I didn't skip the cutscenes originally but on my second character naturally I am. It's lead to some funny moments like being in front of a train ready to board, and then teleporting back to the main city with Wut Lamat's dad dead on the floor. All in one cutscene. Talk about a tonal shift.

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Originally Posted by justausername

are you for real? Getting all whiny and upset because you aren't the center of attention 24/7? You know the character we are is supposed be mentoring others, right? We have been to the edge of the universe and back, we are taking a goddamn step back and fostering the souls of others. Everyone around could tell we shouldn't be messed with. Constantly making comments about how scary we are even if they don't know us.
If that makes you want to quit playing then bye bye. No one will miss you. You've honestly missed the point of the story from the very beginning of the game.

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Me when I'm in don't be insane competition and my competitor is Bucky Buns from Midgardsormr
https://i.imgur.com/zvK5beG.jpeg

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

Also (imo) purposefully cultivating a game where a gigantic portion of the player base is attached to their own character after 10+ years and then effectively Thanos snapping their characters out of the narrative is certainly a choice.

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Having now finished the story + done all side quests in DT can safely say that , yeah , in 1 expansion they managed to completely alienate me from my WoL I've had for 9 years with their combined effort of completely stripping me of the facial features I had that made him what he was for all that time with the graphic update AND with the terrible choices they forced on me for the entirety of the expansion lmao. FFXIV was the first mmorpg that really compelled me to care for my character that deeply since unlike every other mmorpg they actually had you as the tether to all the characters and the world itself and for whatever reason threw that out the window completely this time. Being Wuk's lackey made me feel like I was going through WoW again where I was just the grunt for whichever world leader had the center stage at the time and it was just odd to experience in this game after a decade.

Only excitement I ever had the whole time was getting to see the Cornservant pop up with a quest in a new area. At least he cared for me when nobody else seemed to LOL.

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Originally Posted by SongOfTheWind

It would be more honest if they forced us to create a new character for this ‘brand new adventure’, where there at least could be an excuse why no prior knowledge is used to solve the Endless problem and our character is dumb and invisible. But eating the cake and having it is very strong here.

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I started feeling this when in the 6.x patches when my WoL was brainwashed of every single person and quest I was involved with concerning the void/13th shard and was just there staring blank like a clown for most of it. Sad to see it applied for the entirety of DT aswell. :(

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Originally Posted by justausername

are you for real? Getting all whiny and upset because you aren't the center of attention 24/7? You know the character we are is supposed be mentoring others, right? We have been to the edge of the universe and back, we are taking a goddamn step back and fostering the souls of others. Everyone around could tell we shouldn't be messed with. Constantly making comments about how scary we are even if they don't know us.
If that makes you want to quit playing then bye bye. No one will miss you. You've honestly missed the point of the story from the very beginning of the game.

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I feel like this "your a mentor now!" thing is just cope written by insane people trying to do the writer's jobs for them.

This is the expansion I cancelled my subscription. No faith in the Devs or people running the show.

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Originally Posted by justausername

are you for real? Getting all whiny and upset because you aren't the center of attention 24/7? You know the character we are is supposed be mentoring others, right? We have been to the edge of the universe and back, we are taking a goddamn step back and fostering the souls of others. Everyone around could tell we shouldn't be messed with. Constantly making comments about how scary we are even if they don't know us.
If that makes you want to quit playing then bye bye. No one will miss you. You've honestly missed the point of the story from the very beginning of the game.

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Looks like you completely missed what happened to all of the characters in DT in the presence of the black hole that was Wuk Lamat.

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Originally Posted by MatthiusAbysswalker

This is the expansion I cancelled my subscription. No faith in the Devs or people running the show.

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I was already an occasional player for some time, coming back from time to time for the expansions and some friends that still play this game. I enjoyed all the past expansions , they all had some weaker moments along the road but were still pretty good and enjoyable, but with DT I had really to force myself to go through this poor written story. I read a lot of discussions about Wuk Lamat, but her character is just a consequence of this poor writing quality, even the older characters are just shadows of themselves.

I started skipping cutscenes in the last area of the game, I dont know, killing kids just aint doing it for me, I know, I'm weird that way.

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Originally Posted by DaveFishnomer

I started skipping cutscenes in the last area of the game, I dont know, killing kids just aint doing it for me, I know, I'm weird that way.

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I know what you mean, the game force you to accept the fact that there is no other way, telling you that these people are not alive. Yet for the all last part of the story you interact with them and treat them as they were alive, this entire part is so ambiguous that you can consider it either just an AI wipe, as well as a genocide, and we all doing this without even think about it too much. After all Cahciua told us there is no other way, so that's fine, right? But then, even her could be just an AI , or was she still alive? Who knows, in doubt we wipe all of them anyway.

The thing is we KNOW there is another way, Otis is living proof of that, it uses a 2000 year old model to sustain it's soul, you're telling me they cant create the same or even a better model now and move all of the endless into them? sure they will no longer be endless but they will keep living how many years they have left.
The story is just lazy and writers wanted to shove their agenda up our back side.

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Originally Posted by SongOfTheWind

It would be more honest if they forced us to create a new character for this ‘brand new adventure’, where there at least could be an excuse why no prior knowledge is used to solve the Endless problem and our character is dumb and invisible. But eating the cake and having it is very strong here.

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They must know that making people make a new WoL would go down like a sack of bricks. So it's crazy to me that they basically did it anyways by forcing our character to be a Wuk Lover (they give us options to approve of/deny literal villains so why do we have to worship her and call her Llama Tea) and then hitting them with the stupid stick to the point you wonder if they were even conscious during the previous expansions.

Harken unto me forum, for a moment lend me thy ear so that I may tell thee a tale. Nae not a tale of epic porportions no nothing of the sorts. Tis a legend on pass from sire to sire a legend of the wol ooops wrong character nae the legend is of fair wuk lamat and her journey to take over one whole expansion with a force far greater than any calamity ever could.

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Originally Posted by justausername

are you for real? Getting all whiny and upset because you aren't the center of attention 24/7? You know the character we are is supposed be mentoring others, right? We have been to the edge of the universe and back, we are taking a goddamn step back and fostering the souls of others. Everyone around could tell we shouldn't be messed with. Constantly making comments about how scary we are even if they don't know us.
If that makes you want to quit playing then bye bye. No one will miss you. You've honestly missed the point of the story from the very beginning of the game.

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Emphasis mine. But highlighting because of a reply below about mentoring in a different thread. (Also had to re-upload TheJamJam's image to imgur...wouldn't show up in quoting it since it was a discord image)

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Originally Posted by TheJamJam

I've put together some responses we as Wol give, and I'd like your opinion. Do these sound like the advice of a mentor, what many people use as an argument about our role, or do they come off as overly flattering and insincere? Like something a massive simp would say whenever Wuk is around?

I'm curious what everyone thinks.

https://i.imgur.com/XLxcp3E.png

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Originally Posted by therpgfanatic

I finished the MSQ on my PLD and also finished the lv100 dungeons. I've been playing since ARR and I have to say, Dawntrail is the worst expansion. For the first time ever I've completely skipped cutscenes because I do not care whatsoever about any of these characters. I reached my level of patience with Wuk Lamat by the third zone and basically didn't start watching cutscenes again until the big story twist around lv 95. Even this part I have to say is not really that interesting to me. Most of the story is just plain boring.
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Non-voice over content, I always skipped. I usually will watch the voice over scenes. Many of those cut scenes in DT i skipped, either I was bored, annoyed, etc. its bad when I sleep through VO cut scenes and not even tired.

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Originally Posted by Papayatar

Emphasis mine. But highlighting because of a reply below about mentoring in a different thread. (Also had to re-upload TheJamJam's image to imgur...wouldn't show up in quoting it since it was a discord image)

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Oh God, I knew I wasn't crazy when I thought we were purposely written to worship Wuk Lmao.
What in the blazes were the writers, and the one who ultimately signed off on this, thinking?!

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Originally Posted by justausername

are you for real? Getting all whiny and upset because you aren't the center of attention 24/7? You know the character we are is supposed be mentoring others, right? We have been to the edge of the universe and back, we are taking a goddamn step back and fostering the souls of others. Everyone around could tell we shouldn't be messed with. Constantly making comments about how scary we are even if they don't know us.
If that makes you want to quit playing then bye bye. No one will miss you. You've honestly missed the point of the story from the very beginning of the game.

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I mean, we are the Protagonist of the story, like we're supposed to be the center of attention for the vast majority of an xpac. It just basic good story telling that the story and plot advance by the action and reaction of the protagonist. In DT we're just a cameraman for Wuk.

Also we're not mentor, we're chearleader with those horrible dialogue options. Like imagine for a second if after the crystal braves betrayed us we would just turn to Alphinaud and go ''You're amazing Alphinaud, you'll get it next time!''.

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Originally Posted by Keldion

The Iifa Tree

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I thought it was interesting they both integrated the idea of the Iifa Tree and name-dropped it directly when you were talking to the (Millala I guess he'd be) from Conde Petie.