Please reform the achievement system

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Maybe some people do, but even then it's only for a few select titles.
XIV has the same problem that WoW has with it's titles and mounts, oversaturation.
You get titles thrown at you for the most benign things to the point where 90% are so meaningless that you stop bothering to look at them.

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Not sure how that has anything to do with what I said. I said that titles mean more to the people using them than everyone else. I don't care how oversaturated titles are, the one I use matters to me. Different titles matter to different people. I don't think there's such thing as too many, lest everyone have the exact same titles (before you say it, ~20% of players using a variant of the legend titles is not the same thing). And no, I don't stop looking at titles because 90% are meaningless. That's you.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

I'd consider swapping titles more often if I could favorite a handful and didn't need to sift through the entire list every time.

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There's a text command for it that you can make into a macro if you want. Just do /title set [insert title here] and it will switch to that if it's one you have. Or you can just do /title for a random one if you're feeling adventurous.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

You do realize it was sarcasm, right?

The /s didn't give that away?

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The /s doesn't even work anymore. This is not good.

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Originally Posted by Sjol

When I saw this, I was hoping people were requesting new kinds of challenges. Right now, it's basically complete X (e.g., Bowl of Embers (EX)) and get the achievement. But there's no complete X with/without Y (e.g., Bowl of Embers (EX) MINE getting DPS check before 50%). I'm blanking creatively on what kinds of sub-achievements could be recorded, but I've definitely seen them in other games, usually based on some core mechanic for a fight.

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I'd say it's less that you're blanking creatively and more about the way this game is designed just doesn't support achievements like other games have. If you look at where they choose to add achievements in this game, it's almost entirely utilized to bolster the numbers of hardcore players repeating content far beyond what more casual players would do. In effect, this makes it so content never really dies and you always have a steady flow of people doing things so that newer players aren't completely cut off.

Some examples:
- Map Dungeon Completions
- Baldesion Arsenal/Delubrum Savage
- Achievement for every Relic weapon (Instead of just 1 like in ARR)
- All PVP
- Deep Dungeon Accursed Hoard

I don't think this design is necessarily a bad thing, even if some of these achievements are completely overkill, but where I do see it being a problem is how it takes over all aspects of the game, particularly solo content. Just to use a recent example, Island Sanctuary's achievements are just straight up garbage. With achievements like gathering 30,000 times and collecting 2500 crops/leavings, you're not making an interesting challenge, you're just creating another potential hook to keep someone subbed. Solo content is the place to have creative one-offs because you're only relying on yourself to complete the challenge and even if every other player completed it already, it'll always be there for you to take on whenever you want. Hence why fishing is the best content in the game :rolleyes:

This would absolutely inflate some egos, but we should be able to display achievement points on our adventurer plates.

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Originally Posted by ShadowNyx3

Achievement for every Relic weapon (Instead of just 1 like in ARR)

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I have a very, very strong suspicion that they use the achievement system as flags for other things. The reason ARR relic recreations require you have the actual weapon on hand to recreate earlier versions. But with one achievement per weapon, they have much more fine-grained control over what to offer you.

I'm 99% sure that most achievements are there just for their own record-keeping.

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Originally Posted by Sjol

I'm 99% sure that most achievements are there just for their own record-keeping.

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they can keep track of what they want without public achievements. Besides, stuff like 20k horde serves is not much of an indication of anything except perhaps obsession. I know someone who spent entire days just entering floor 11 of HoH, popping an intuition and leaving to get the achievement.

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

they can keep track of what they want without public achievements. Besides, stuff like 20k horde serves is not much of an indication of anything except perhaps obsession. I know someone who spent entire days just entering floor 11 of HoH, popping an intuition and leaving to get the achievement.

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But why would they? They could add an additional field in the database OR they could use the existing achievement data and have to store half as much stuff. I imagine a ton of code now is driven off their achievement system to determine what you see.

This just comes down to having more meta-achievement title tracks so people can let you know that they're kind of a big deal. I think that having a list of titles on display runs the risk of having an Adventurer Plate come across as a CV, but they can always give you the option to do whatever you want in the space provided.

I'd personally just be happy if they came up with better sounding titles in general.

I've suggested this before, but what if we can share our achievement score on our adventure plates? Optional of course. There is no way to see anyone's score in the game itself. People would have to search on the lodestone or other websites to find that score. It certainly wouldn't tell us what we have been working at in particular, but it's nice to have a place somewhere in the game to share it. I think the adventure plate is the perfect location without being intrusive to anyone else's gameplay.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

This just comes down to having more meta-achievement title tracks so people can let you know that they're kind of a big deal. I think that having a list of titles on display runs the risk of having an Adventurer Plate come across as a CV, but they can always give you the option to do whatever you want in the space provided.

I'd personally just be happy if they came up with better sounding titles in general.

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My idea was to have armour that you could collect piece by piece based on your achievment score. achievement points and that the final piece would cost say.. 25k points or something. So basically

500 points - guilded earing
1000 points. Guilded boots
5000 points guilded gloves
10000 points guilded crown
15000 points guilded pants
25000 points guilded chest plate
40000 points - guilded mount


Idk if it goes up to 40k rn but that already is a system that could reward people for continued farming

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Originally Posted by Sjol

I'm 99% sure that most achievements are there just for their own record-keeping.

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Gotta agree.
Considering that the mentor system requires you to get specific achievements, and like you mentioned weapon replicas, among other things I think the achievement system is indeed simply the public side of your tracked character stats that SE has on everyone. Slap some points and rewards on a few and suddenly that excel table looks a lot more appealing to the average gamer.

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Originally Posted by ShadowNyx3

I'd say it's less that you're blanking creatively and more about the way this game is designed just doesn't support achievements like other games have. If you look at where they choose to add achievements in this game, it's almost entirely utilized to bolster the numbers of hardcore players repeating content far beyond what more casual players would do. In effect, this makes it so content never really dies and you always have a steady flow of people doing things so that newer players aren't completely cut off.

I don't think this design is necessarily a bad thing, even if some of these achievements are completely overkill, but where I do see it being a problem is how it takes over all aspects of the game, particularly solo content. Just to use a recent example, Island Sanctuary's achievements are just straight up garbage. With achievements like gathering 30,000 times and collecting 2500 crops/leavings, you're not making an interesting challenge, you're just creating another potential hook to keep someone subbed. Solo content is the place to have creative one-offs because you're only relying on yourself to complete the challenge and even if every other player completed it already, it'll always be there for you to take on whenever you want. Hence why fishing is the best content in the game :rolleyes:

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The sad part is, 1.0 had some interesting achievements.
Getting through Aurum Vale without eating fruit.
Killing Myrmidon Princess in Cutters Cry without taking out her guard ant.
Doing a hamlet defense without any battle classes.
Speedrunning dungeons, or Caravan security (old escort type quest), etc for extra rewards would also have an achievement.

Overall now, it's very much cut and dry and kinda boring. And while I agree it gives people SOME reason other than simply being helpful to go back and do old things again, it's not exactly... fun.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

There's a text command for it that you can make into a macro if you want. Just do /title set [insert title here] and it will switch to that if it's one you have. Or you can just do /title for a random one if you're feeling adventurous.

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The random macro title is actually why I'd love a favourite titles feature. I used to have /title macroed to all of my gearsets so it'd change each time I switched job/class but I rarely saw the titles I like most because I have so many. It'd be great if I could assign favourites and then put "/title favourite" in my gearset macros to get a random one from my favourites (like you can do with mount/minion roulette).

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Originally Posted by Canadane

The sad part is, 1.0 had some interesting achievements.
Getting through Aurum Vale without eating fruit.
Killing Myrmidon Princess in Cutters Cry without taking out her guard ant.
Doing a hamlet defense without any battle classes.
Speedrunning dungeons, or Caravan security (old escort type quest), etc for extra rewards would also have an achievement.

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Unfortunately that was back when dungeons were more than a single corridor and mechanics were more than "dodge the cleave, chariot, dynamo and stack/spread", so I don't see them coming back unless they completely shift their design philosophy.

I mean it's a bit too little too late huh? Getting through Aurum Vale without eating fruit is a cakewalk because you could just run it unsynced. Same with being able to instakill the Myrmidon Princess by looking at her. Unsynced dungeons, trials, and raids still give you the achievement for beating them at present.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Please no, we don't need more visual garbage. If they ever add this it better have an accompanying new toggle in settings to turn off for other players.

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I'm having the same reaction. At some point, needing to have a special visual indicator on every player for every little accomplishment does just become clutter. If the goal is simply to share your achievement, not to full on brag about it, being able to add additional titles to your Adventurer Plate seems like a good solution. Plus it encourages people to continue interacting with the Plates and gives them added value to justify further attention from the devs as a game feature.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Unfortunately that was back when dungeons were more than a single corridor and mechanics were more than "dodge the cleave, chariot, dynamo and stack/spread", so I don't see them coming back unless they completely shift their design philosophy.

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Yeah those could come back too I wouldn't complain!

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

[…]Maybe some people do, but even then it's only for a few select titles.
XIV has the same problem that WoW has with it's titles and mounts, oversaturation.
You get titles thrown at you for the most benign things to the point where 90% are so meaningless that you stop bothering to look at them.

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Going off tangent a bit… I personally liked that we have many titles to choose for different purpose.

One example that I could think of was that one time I saw two players standing side by side, one player was on “-of the Stalwart Axe” and the other was “Loved by the Axe” titles. They’re not exactly hard or annoying title to achieve, but IMHO it was a creative use & cute of them to express themselves lol.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

I'd personally just be happy if they came up with better sounding titles in general.

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They peaked with World-class Troller, and it's all been downhill from there.

On the subject of achievements, I really wish they’d do something where trophies on the PS5 would pop if you already have the correlating achievement. It’s seriously annoying that if you did something like obtain the Necromancer title on PS4 or PC, you have to do it all over again on PS5 for it to unlock. Is a simple in game achievement check too hard to implement? On top of that, if you did something like level all trust NPCs to 90 before moving to PS5, then you’re just completely locked out of getting the trophy. The way trophies pop on PS5 needs serious work, otherwise it’s just a huge middle finger to PS5 players saying their accomplishment didn’t matter prior and that they need to do it all over again for it to count.

I think a lot of problems would be solved by showing your achievement score on your adventuerer plate. Maybe let you pick your favorite achievement or a list of titles to display there as well.

Could even delete the worthless GC rank section from Adv plates to make more space for it.

Title should be a field that saves to gearset.

While we're at it, each gearset should be (1) the gearset name, (2) a title to set, (3) a page of actually equipped gear, and (4) a page of glamours.