Please, can we get....!!!!

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Originally Posted by Rowde

The issue is The Hunt itself, and the developers not taking action to address the content based on how players are interacting with it... completely optimizing the fun out of the activity. They continually fall back on the excuse of "the content was not designed for 300 ppl", but hey, that's how the community has been doing it now for nearly 3 expansions... so maybe that needs to be considered in the design process going forward.

Why even give Hunts mechanics anymore? a Training Dummy might as well spawn and players just have to click on it once for full rewards and leave.

IMO, The Hunt needs to be completely reworked
milestones for the Mount Achievements should be lowered to sift out ppl only doing the Hunt for them faster
overall rewards also need to be nerfed to for the amount of effort each individual player puts into trains, materia is so easy to get via spirit bonding and as dungeon drops... clusters honestly should probably just be removed along with Tomes, make it Seals/Nuts only and have that be it's own exclusive economy

Every Hunt, including the older hunts, should be given a handful of rare drops (a mixture of Non-tradable/and things that can be sold on Market), similar to Eureka/Bozja/Zadnor mobs with incredibly low drop rates so that there is an additional reason for SOMEONE to fight them. Whether it be a cosmetic, a furnishing, a Triple Triad card... it'll brainworm somebody and give them an incentive to track down and fight specific Hunts. and things 'anticipated' to be more desirable should be given to older hunts as a way to repopulate those zones with higher level players...

BUT they'll only be showing up when Windows are open... give Hunts interactivity with FATEs in each Zone. Keep the long windows, but make it to where each FATE completed in the zone knocks off a random amount of time from the spawn window. So you create a loop of Players doing FATEs for a bit, checking spawn conditions, back to FATEs, etc.

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If it's not happening on JP, it doesn't happen as far as SE is concerned.

I haven't seen any EN speaking players on the JP worlds complaining about 300+ S ranks and trains so it clearly doesn't happen as far as SE is concerned.

Adding in rare drops to S ranks wouldn't change anything other than more early pullers. Most S ranks are getting spawned close to their release time.

Adding in rare drops to A ranks might change things for a short period of time but then it would go back to trains because more would have a chance at the rare drop instead of having to pay marketboard prices to get it. If you want to break up trains, the best thing to do is change the respawn window. A 2 hour window makes trains way too convenient. A 6 hour window would leave everyone scrambling.

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Originally Posted by Luluya

As someone who regularly spawns S ranks and is in both discords as well as hunt linkshells/CWLS on Dynamis, its not hard to see that Centurio has the blatant cheating as often when the micro-second I spawn a node the discord bot will post a message with exactly where it is, even if its in a remote area of the map.

I'm basically only in Centurio at this point just to keep up as their bot pings it and then people rush to it, even when there are already S ranks up and we're waiting to relay until after, so that more people get a chance.

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I'm sorry but Faloop has them just as much as Centurio. Like I said the hypocrisy was laughable when I encountered it as we were trying to initially organize the community on Dynamis when the data center opened and the zones were usually empty when we spawned because the majority of players were leveling alts from level 1. They avoid discussing their Sonar use in Faloop channels because they don't want to be kicked from the app but it's obvious they're there and they're hoping that other mod users keep their own use from being discovered.

What's even funnier is all the Faloop users that are very open about their use of other mods. They just don't mention this one single hunt-related mod. Against ToS is against ToS. Why complain about one mod when you're openly using others?

Would you prefer to remain ignorant of S ranks spawned by those not part of Faloop or approved for the privilege of reporting on Faloop? I know when we were setting things up on Dynamis, it was decided that we'd give everyone who asked the permissions to report on Faloop but I don't know if it's still that way after last summer's implosion or if the elitists who detested everyone getting access finally gained control and put a stop to it.

All Centurio has done is taken away the advantage a few had kept to themselves by relaying to all when the spawn is picked up by the mod.

You don't get rid of cheaters by pretending they don't exist. They don't care what you think or believe. You get rid of the advantage cheaters have by leveling the playing field and giving everyone else the same advantages.

If you're thinking that it should be up to the Faloop inner circle to set the rules for the Hunt, sorry. Square Enix hasn't given Faloop the authority to control the game play available to all FFXIV players. If Faloop members want to voluntarily give up their rights to make their own choices about game play and leave it in the hands of those vetted by the Faloop inner circle, that's their personal choice. They don't have the right to make that choice for others. Square Enix has been very blunt that the majority doesn't overrule the minority when it comes to game play and the rules that SE has set. Most of us were cooperating and getting along quite well before Faloop came along. We can continue to do so without Faloop. All Faloop did was bring a lot more drama into the Hunt by trying to control other players it had no right to control.

an other easy way to make people decide when to pull is enable open world pvp, every MMO game need open world pvp, let us kill whoever we don't like is a key to cultivate community

I'd stop complaining if I were you. It's not going to change, hunts have been like this since ARR. People are always going to do whatever they want. They are not obliged to wait for others, especially if they were the ones that spawned it. You'll save yourself a massive headache if you just let it go. S rank Hunts are just one of the terrible ideas in this game that never got addressed. On paper it sounds like a great idea however it's just poorly implemented.

If you're not using a third party program like Discord you aren't going to get access to most of them.

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Originally Posted by Asako

I'd stop complaining if I were you. It's not going to change, hunts have been like this since ARR. People are always going to do whatever they want. They are not obliged to wait for others, especially if they were the ones that spawned it. You'll save yourself a massive headache if you just let it go. S rank Hunts are just one of the terrible ideas in this game that never got addressed. On paper it sounds like a great idea however it's just poorly implemented.

If you're not using a third party program like Discord you aren't going to get access to most of them.

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no it's not terrible idea if it has open world pvp, this idead is not new idea, many MMO has that, but other MMO has open world pvp, where people can free to kill whoever they doesn't like, this game just lack of that wonderful thing, make troll has free ticket to do what they want, image if troll can't never set foot outside of sanctuacy because they will be killed instantly will make community better

i used to be in MMO that we can make a team of player and block exit of spawn point, i missed these day

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Originally Posted by ShariusTC

an other easy way to make people decide when to pull is enable open world pvp, every MMO game need open world pvp, let us kill whoever we don't like is a key to cultivate community

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Strange. Every MMORPG that has tried to involve the entire player base in open world PvP has either collapsed or had to remove true open world PvP by putting it into separate zones ( or "shards"
as Blizzard like's to call WoW's version).

The easy way to get people to decide to pull is to spawn and relay another S rank. Works every time.

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Originally Posted by ShariusTC

no it's not terrible idea if it has open world pvp, this idead is not new idea, many MMO has that, but other MMO has open world pvp, where people can free to kill whoever they doesn't like, this game just lack of that wonderful thing, make troll has free ticket to do what they want, image if troll can't never set foot outside of sanctuacy because they will be killed instantly will make community better

i used to be in MMO that we can make a team of player and block exit of spawn point, i missed these day

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See my response above. This game doesn't have it because it's a MMORPG killer. The servers may stay online for a few more years but you stop getting new content as the player base disappears, or the developers remove it from the game to try to get players to come back so their corporate overlords can make more money.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Strange. Every MMORPG that has tried to involve the entire player base in open world PvP has either collapsed or had to remove true open world PvP by putting it into separate zones ( or "shards"
as Blizzard like's to call WoW's version).

The easy way to get people to decide to pull is to spawn and relay another S rank. Works every time.



See my response above. This game doesn't have it because it's a MMORPG killer. The servers may stay online for a few more years but you stop getting new content as the player base disappears, or the developers remove it from the game to try to get players to come back so their corporate overlords can make more money.

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i wonder if you really belive in what are you just saying? is it wow dead? also fornite, pubg, lol they are all pvp focus online game and they are even more popular than FF14

Getting open world pvp in this game would mean changing the combat system entirely which likely opens a can of worms of other things that would have to be addressed so I don't see them ever doing that. It would also make open world events like fates a nuisance if you're not already in a party.

Endwalker hunts are one of the most frustrating things to deal with mainly because people lost the courtesy to wait just a tiny bit longer to let people at least tag the target.

WoW mentality in ff is the absolute worst to be reminded.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

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Clearly something happened to you with faloop and you're holding a grudge.

There are always going to be some bad apples who will still use sonar in faloop yes but if they ever get found out then they lose all their perms. I'll take that system over straight up promoting the use of sonar.

Just wanted to point out too. The other day you said centurio stopped holding s ranks from going public. I doubled checked it and it still has the default hold when first pinged so users can manually hold it if wished. Although apparently it is under review for some changes as we speak.

You also argue it's an unfair system and it favors it's users. I agree it does favor spawners but it also makes sense. They put in the work for the S ranks to even exist at all. It rewards those who put in work.

Either way, if you use centurio or faloop, both work.
If you don't like the use of mods and want to hit as many spawns as possible, faloop is the way to go.
If you don't care about mods, centurio is fine and still works. It just misses a lot more marks overall.
If you wanna maximize how many you get to, think of using both.

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Originally Posted by ShariusTC

i wonder if you really belive in what are you just saying? is it wow dead? also fornite, pubg, lol they are all pvp focus online game and they are even more popular than FF14

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I can remember the days of real open world PvP in WoW. Tarren Mill vs. Southshore. Gurubashi Arena (the FFA zone where you could beat up your same-faction friends - or enemies). The Eastern Plaguelands Towers. Raiding the faction capitals to kill the faction leaders. Those days are long gone.

Real open world PvP doesn't exist in WoW anymore. It was destroyed by players who weren't interested in fair fights and didn't want to be on the losing side. PvP realms might have started off well enough in Vanilla and Burning Crusade but the faction imbalances that developer during Wrath (thanks to Wintergrasp and racial reworks) and got worse during later expansions effectively killed world PvP. Blizzard tried to fix it with cross realm shards introduced just before Mists of Pandaria. All that did was prove that players weren't really interested in open world PvP as the imbalances changed from bad to extreme across groups of realms. What they were really interested in was being bullies and beating up on those weaker than they were.

Fortnite - not a MMORPG.
PUBG - not a MMORPG

Understand that MMO includes many game types, not all of which are MMORPG. Open world PvP has not been successful within MMORPGs even if it's been successful in other MMO types.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

Clearly something happened to you with faloop and you're holding a grudge.

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What happened to me was Faloop users from other data centers transferring characters to Crystal to grief our hunt community toward the end of Shadowbringers. When we tried reaching out to them to compromise and get some communication going, the response we got was "use Faloop". When we said that Crystal didn't use Faloop and Faloop didn't support Crystal, the response was "not my problem".

Getting tired of the drama, I reached out to Moo to find out more about Faloop and see about getting Crystal supported on it. I wanted a general conversation that included the other concerned Crystal spawners and conductors. Moo didn't. Moo would only talk to me at first. I was stuck acting as go between, copying/pasting questions from Crystal to Moo then copying/pasting Moo's answers to Crystal.

Strike one - why would you not want to have those most impacted by the system a part of the conversation?

Moo peppered the conversation with words like "privilege" and "meritocracy". Such words didn't sit well with me or the others in Crystal. That's not how we came together when world visit was added. Sure, those of us spawning, scouting and/or conducting put more effort into the Hunt than those that just show up to kill things but we weren't asking for more than basic courtesy and cooperation in return. We enjoyed the Hunt and we wanted to share that love with the greater community.

Strike two - elitist system

After about 2 months of intermittent conversation (Moo does very work hard and doesn't always have the time to answer questions, I'll give him that), Moo finally agreed set up a channel in the Faloop discord for Crystal spawners/conductors to come ask their questions and get answers from some of the Faloop assistants. For those on Crystal who joined, it was like talking into a void.

Strike three.

We finally said thanks but no thanks, we're doing fine with Horus. Suddenly, Moo was more than happy to agree to support Crystal after we decided that Faloop wasn't for us. WTF? Of course it turns out that Crystal hunts were already supported in Faloop during all of that time - but access was reserved for a privileged few that were already part of Faloop, such as the person who had transferred to Crystal to grief our community. It was the Crystal community that was being denied access to what already existed.

(To be fair to Moo, he did apologize that the player causing most of the issues on Crystal had been given Faloop permissions in the first place. They hadn't realized what a problem he would be when the permissions were given.)

But honest, oh man am I out.

Sure, the bad apples are going to be everywhere. Like I said, the hypocrisy I've come across was laughable instead of something that was making me angry. Did I snitch on those I discovered were using the mod so they would lose their Faloop privileges? Nope. They were using it responsibly. Hypocritically in most cases because on the Faloop side they would openly complain about the mod users but still responsibly.

My issue with Faloop is the control hierarchy. The privilege granted to some but not all because everyone is guilty until they've been raked over the coals and proven innocent. Make an honest mistake and you were likely to be tossed back in with the guilty.

That's a terrible way to treat your fellow players. Even worse is Faloop trying to act like their rules are the official rules of the game when they aren't.

Want a really choice piece of commentary that I've only shared with one other person? While we were trying to get Dynamis hunts organized and trying decide if the Faloop bot (Discord bot not FFXIV mod for those thinking the wrong things) should be integrated into the Starbird Discord, Moo joined us in channel we used for organizing things and talked about some of the issues that would be involved in the integration. He went into some detail about what he intended with Faloop. He said Faloop was designed for worlds with "fully unified" hunt communities and that Crystal was a mistake.

Obviously I agree on the latter. I also think he's a dreamer if he thinks any world's hunt community could ever be truly unified let alone entire data centers. There are always going to be those players without an interest in being part of an organized hunt community and prefer to hunt on their own. Faloop prefers to ostracize those types of players in an attempt to force them under Faloop's thumb instead of acknowledging their right to hunt as they want and wishing them "good hunting".

No thanks. To me, attempting to control how others play the game is a worse violation of the ToS than mod use.

The Faloop app is nice enough when it comes to tracking and mapping even if I still prefer Bear for aesthetic reasons. I like to do mapping on S ranks in advance of S rank day and I'll crosspost the mapping on both apps so spawners have the information regardless of which they rely on. But the hierarchy behind Faloop is one of the ugliest things I've encountered in gaming.

Again, your mileage is going to vary depending on what data center you're playing on. Not every data center is as Faloop centric like Primal is.

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Originally Posted by ShariusTC

an other easy way to make people decide when to pull is enable open world pvp, every MMO game need open world pvp, let us kill whoever we don't like is a key to cultivate community

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You made a blithe assumption that everyone likes PvP.

If FFXIV went all PvP, I'd leave or at least suspend until they thought better of it...