Plot Locking for Blacklisted Players

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

I gave my stance on this already, you could get blacklisted without even upsetting the owner of the venue directly, all it needs is one of the owners friends to not like you and you're blacklisted off of the entire venue even though you might not have done anything.

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You have 0 right to enter venues. It's not in the tos. It's not anywhere.



Why do you think you have this right?

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

I gave my stance on this already, you could get blacklisted without even upsetting the owner of the venue directly, all it needs is one of the owners friends to not like you and you're blacklisted off of the entire venue even though you might not have done anything.

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Why would anyone want to go to a venue that does something like that in the first place. The player base needs more mechanisms to deal with player harassment and trolling. Plot locking for blacklisted players is such a feature that could easily be implemented, and the community could easily call out venues that abuse this.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

You have 0 right to enter venues. It's not in the tos. It's not anywhere.



Why do you think you have this right?

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Keep your house closed.

I fixed it for you, was my pleasure.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

I gave my stance on this already, you could get blacklisted without even upsetting the owner of the venue directly, all it needs is one of the owners friends to not like you and you're blacklisted off of the entire venue even though you might not have done anything. It's too open to personal bias.

The focus should be on the other issues I mentioned because they are major issues.

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Well, one major issue you seem to disagree with them fixing is individuals owning multiple houses or even entire wards.





Your excuse is "it's not against the tos". You know what else isn't? Being blacklisted. You know what else isn't? The right to enter venues.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Well, one major issue you seem to disagree with them fixing is individuals owning multiple houses or even entire wards.





Your excuse is "it's not against the tos". You know what else isn't? Being blacklisted. You know what else isn't? The right to enter venues.

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Sad the gif didn't work on mobile, ill just write it down myself.

Blah blah blah multiowners bad blah blah blah

Zzzzzzzz

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Sad the gif didn't work on mobile, ill just write it down myself.

Blah blah blah multiowners bad blah blah blah

Zzzzzzzz

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Blah blah blah people don't like me so I got blacklisted from venues blah blah blah


Same energy.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Blah blah blah people don't like me so I got blacklisted from venues blah blah blah


Same energy.

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Oh no you hurt my fee fees, whatever will i do.

Lmao, do better buddy.

Let me go to my m35 to cry about it. Then maybe I'll go to some of my other ones too and shed a little tear at each of them just for you.

Hey I can be petty too.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Oh no you hurt my fee fees, whatever will i do.

Lmao, do better buddy.

Let me go to my m35 to cry about it. Then maybe I'll go to some of my other ones too and shed a little tear at each of them just for you.

Hey I can be petty too.

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I have a house I'm perfectly happy with. I'm just pointing out the hypocricy of your stances. No blacklisting from venues because I don't like it so it's not an issue, but I have multiple houses so while others see that as an issue it's not because it's not expressly forbidden in the tos.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Blocking people out of venues is not a priority no, sorry, nor should it be implemented at all to be fair.

Venues are open spaces, and as for individuals, they can just close their house. That's what I personally do too, I dont need random people in my house.

The lodestone issues which lead to cross region stalking and the friend list issue which lead to actual in person stalking as people know where you are,are the actual issues.

Also fyi it ain't being contrarian, we just disagree, idk why it's riling you up this much.

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It comes off as contrarian because you gave an initial reasoning that people quickly pointed out wasn't good enough, so you immediately jumped to a case of whataboutism.

I don't see why you would use whataboutism in this case, considering you agree that almost all of these are issues and that you want the game to be better. Since you want the game to be better, why not just support having all of the issues fixed eventually instead of attempting to paint some issues as more important than others?

Also, something odd I remembered. Weren't you one of the people that had issues with Renalt creeping around in people's houses uninvited? That wouldn't happen if people could block blacklisted people from entering their houses or if people had better housing privacy settings such as only allowing friends to enter.

Here's a refresher by the way:

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Probably for him to not open his mouth about Aveyond when he's as terrible of a person as Aveyond is. And yes people like that should be shamed, or do you think creeping up in people's houses and watching them ERP hiding in a side room is okay too ? That added to the whole Aveyond harassement and stalking is not normal behavior

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I have a house I'm perfectly happy with. I'm just pointing out the hypocricy of your stances. No blacklisting from venues because I don't like it so it's not an issue, but I have multiple houses so while others see that as an issue it's not because it's not expressly forbidden in the tos.

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Or maybe just maybe I have myself dealt with stalking in this game because of the very same reasons I mentioned. I didn't get followed to random venues, but I was watched, basically hunted and the person could literally follow me everywhere I went thanks to the amazing friend list system, and when I tried to "flee" and go away by changing world and even dc, I was tracked down thanks to my lodestone and they found my new name.

This forum on mobile is something else but I'll respond to you as well Neko, the solution in that particular scenario would have been to have the house closed if you are doing those kind of things. I don't see why a blacklist would help except if the person repeats the same thing multiple times, at which point they can be reported to SE (which probably won't do anything but that's another topic)

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Or maybe just maybe I have myself dealt with stalking in this game because of the very same reasons I mentioned. I didn't get followed to random venues, but I was watched, basically hunted and the person could literally follow me everywhere I went thanks to the amazing friend list system, and when I tried to "flee" and go away by changing world and even dc, I was tracked down thanks to my lodestone and they found my new name.

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So you should be pro-blacklisting keeps you out of housing then. So you can have friends enter but not others.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

So you should be pro-blacklisting keeps you out of housing then. So you can have friends enter but not others.

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I just keep my house closed, always have, always will, if a friend has to come in, I close it behind them, I guess that's why we don't agree, I am just used to closing it by default because there's no need to have random people in my house.

On the topic of venues though I stand by my opinion that it would be abused due to biases. I know you disagree, and it's okay to disagree. We all have a right to our opinion in the end. And no it's not because I'm "disliked" but having an argument with a single person that knows a lot of people in the venue scene could literally land you in multiple blacklist, why ? Because most people won't even bother to ask the person for their version, they'll just assume the version they have is right.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

I just keep my house closed, always have, always will, if a friend has to come in, I close it behind them, I guess that's why we don't agree, I am just used to closing it by default because there's no need to have random people in my house.

On the topic of venues though I stand by my opinion that it would be abused due to biases. I know you disagree, and it's okay to disagree. We all have a right to our opinion in the end. And no it's not because I'm "disliked" but having an argument with a single person that knows a lot of people in the venue scene could literally land you in multiple blacklist, why ? Because most people won't even bother to ask the person for their version, they'll just assume the version they have is right.

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So make your own venues? You have a zillion houses by admission.





Why prevent adding harassment prevention abilities because you might get removed from player driven optional content?

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

So make your own venues? You have a zillion houses by admission.





Why prevent adding harassment prevention abilities because you might get removed from player driven optional content?

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I really think we can keep going in circles, fact is we're not going to agree lol, and it's okay really.

Also no thank you. The venue scene on NA is way too saturated, that'd be a massive waste of time

Pretty sure I'm out of posts btw will respond later if you do

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

So make your own venues? You have a zillion houses by admission.





Why prevent adding harassment prevention abilities because you might get removed from player driven optional content?

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They know they would be affected by this directly based on what I've seen in this community lol. I'm for additional privacy measures, both for the topics Stormy is trying to shift the conversation away toward and OP's idea.

Good stuff OP, I support it.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

I really think we can keep going in circles, fact is we're not going to agree lol, and it's okay really.

Also no thank you. The venue scene on NA is way too saturated, that'd be a massive waste of time

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So then it shouldn't be an issue if you get blacklisted from a few of them. There's thousands right. Lol.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

So then it shouldn't be an issue if you get blacklisted from a few of them. There's thousands right. Lol.

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There really is no winning is there lmao we both have our opinion let's just agree to disagree

Just like you should be able to blacklist people crossworld in DF, you should also be able to specifically lock stormpeaks out of your house. And other people too I guess.

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Originally Posted by Bellsong

Just like you should be able to blacklist people crossworld in DF, you should also be able to specifically lock stormpeaks out of your house. And other people too I guess.

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That said, being able to lock out weirdos (Stormy not included in that group) would be a positive imo. *shudder* imagine all those pizza guys trying to interrupt my erping.

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Originally Posted by Bellsong

Just like you should be able to blacklist people crossworld in DF, you should also be able to specifically lock stormpeaks out of your house. And other people too I guess.

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Too bad for you that won't happen, but what I'll do is lock you out of my house because I keep my house closed ;)

But please do me the favor of bookmarking my post and come back to it in a few years when it's still not implemented, i'll be the one laughing.

Yall are being petty, ill do the same, doesn't bother me

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Too bad for you that won't happen, but what I'll do is lock you out of my house because I keep my house closed ;)

But please do me the favor of bookmarking my post and come back to it in a few years when it's still not implemented, i'll be the one laughing.

Yall are being petty, ill do the same, doesn't bother me

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Looks p. bothered to me

The Wards is public space in FFXIV, with exceptions of inside where you can entirely lock the door shut, however an option to have friendslist/party/FC being able to enter if it is locked down would be a nice feature, if we could have that, that is.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

The Wards is public space in FFXIV, with exceptions of inside where you can entirely lock the door shut, however an option to have friendslist/party/FC being able to enter if it is locked down would be a nice feature, if we could have that, that is.

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Seems fair to me tbh, far better idea than this whole blacklist stuff.

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Originally Posted by Impia

They know they would be affected by this directly based on what I've seen in this community lol. I'm for additional privacy measures, both for the topics Stormy is trying to shift the conversation away toward and OP's idea.

Good stuff OP, I support it.

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Thanks! I like the idea.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

The Wards is public space in FFXIV, with exceptions of inside where you can entirely lock the door shut, however an option to have friendslist/party/FC being able to enter if it is locked down would be a nice feature, if we could have that, that is.

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Yes, since we have the option to allow friends to teleport to our plot, it would be nice to also have the option to allow friends to enter your house regardless of lock status so you don't have to be online to open the door for them.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

The Wards is public space in FFXIV, with exceptions of inside where you can entirely lock the door shut, however an option to have friendslist/party/FC being able to enter if it is locked down would be a nice feature, if we could have that, that is.

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I think it's pretty important to have access to a measure to let the general public in but exclude select individuals you've blocked.

I think adding a blacklist to housing would be a nice feature to keep people out of your house that you don't want in there while letting others you do want in. I am capable of two thoughts sometimes and also agree with the point that the friendslist and blacklist features also need an overhaul and the friendslist needs something like when you remove someone from your friendslist you are removed from theirs as well.

Y'all are describing a 'Whitelist' if you only want to allow select people to enter. Opening and closing the place all the time sounds tedious and like a very determined player could slip in while it's briefly open even if unwelcome.

If the current situation has people posting threads about it not being sufficient, it can probably be improved. Just because they choose not to address it doesn't mean a curmudgeonly player is 'right', only vindicated in their jadedness. But, not every thread calls for jadedness, cuz it doesn't always constructively add to or inform people's outlooks. It just kinda deservedly makes folks laugh at/be annoyed with you.

I think it's crazy that people have such negative experiences as stalking in this game, frankly. I suppose I've been lucky to not have anyone give enough of a shit about me in the decade I've been playing, but I don't think that means that those suffering for it couldn't be given more tools to deal with it.

I kind of get the sense too that some people want more out of the blacklist than they get. Like, at some point, the game's an MMO and they're going to exist in it, their choices are going to affect you indirectly even if you completely remove them from your game from being able to see them in chat, the world, joining any parties, randomly created or otherwise. The market's gonna have their stuff and other people are going to know them. That's just how social structures work, right? Keeping them specifically out of 'your spot' doesn't seem too extreme, though. They could even just show a closed door on the map like it would be if it's private so the blacklisted player doesn't have to feel particularly slighted. Sure, it'd be easy to dispel that appearance but then they only have themselves to blame, like spoiling themselves on the story.

I can definitely see people abusing the blacklist to enact fantasy racism or sexism, though, so it's a good thing nobody's paying money to go to these venues... Right?

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

The Wards is public space in FFXIV, with exceptions of inside where you can entirely lock the door shut, however an option to have friendslist/party/FC being able to enter if it is locked down would be a nice feature, if we could have that, that is.

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This would be alright, but they'd also need to update the friendslist and fix it so that if we remove someone from it then we're removed from their list too.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Seems fair to me tbh, far better idea than this whole blacklist stuff.

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Surprised you agree. You know a lot of venues will likely lock themselves down and require you to be escorted inside by having someone invite you into a party, right?

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

Surprised you agree. You know a lot of venues will likely lock themselves down and require you to be escorted inside by having someone invite you into a party, right?

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Shhh, don't tell them the thing they're agreeing to would just be a blacklist with more steps! You might confuse them and all their telling concern about being barred from venues.

Only in this game would you get 7 pages of people arguing about whether people should be forced to have somebody they don't want in their house, in their house.

Some of y'all have switches in your heads labeled "chronic denialism" that's taped, glued, and clamped 'On' and for the sake of the game I wish it weren't so, but here we are.

Blacklisting should generally have much power in general. It should avoid you having ANY kind of contact with that person. It's called blacklisting for a reason.

Yeah, people made mods called "voidlists" that just yeets someone from existence (well, from yours, at least). It's a good solution for stalking and general misbehaviour, but it doesn't work everywhere, as you can still end up with them in the duty finder or the party finder (if they're not the owner). And of course, they can still visit your house if you leave it open. I don't socialise a lot in this game, so I don't participate in venues and stuff, but I clearly see why the inability to kick someone out of your house is an issue. Owners of real-life events are allowed to kick people out if they deem necessary. They're the owner, they can do whatever they want (as long as they don't break any laws).

As someone who was stalked: I wouldve loved to be able to have that person just disappear or NOT be able to enter my garden.

Bump. HAIL YOSHI-P

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Too bad for you that won't happen, but what I'll do is lock you out of my house because I keep my house closed ;)

But please do me the favor of bookmarking my post and come back to it in a few years when it's still not implemented, i'll be the one laughing.

Yall are being petty, ill do the same, doesn't bother me

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Per your request.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Or how about we dont have a system like that ?

Yeah that sounds better, and that's the way it works and it aint changing.

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Why? It just sounds like you don't want to get blacklisted from a venue and you're upset someone can do it? Does your server have a single night club or something where everyone goes? Like it's legitimately a non-issue but you're acting like it could be a horrible thing that some random bar owner goes: "I don't want Stormpeaks at my bar." and then blacklists you from the bar?

Am I missing something?

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Originally Posted by Boa-Noah

Why? It just sounds like you don't want to get blacklisted from a venue and you're upset someone can do it? Does your server have a single night club or something where everyone goes? Like it's legitimately a non-issue but you're acting like it could be a horrible thing that some random bar owner goes: "I don't want Stormpeaks at my bar." and then blacklists you from the bar?

Am I missing something?

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If I had to guess, the missing link is "No one wants Stormpeaks at their venue"

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Originally Posted by Menriq

Per your request.

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Menriq, can we be friends? I like your determination.

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Originally Posted by Menriq

Per your request.

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Normally im anti-necro bumping(yes, i know you werent the one to actually bring this back). But in this case...