Seigneur's glamour set

If the Cape had a Toggle...100% Immediate Buy.
Both my Alt and my Main

Yeah-Yeah it requires money, but Ive spent more for worse.

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Originally Posted by Deo14

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This argument has come up multiple times. And certain players get mad when you call it out. They like to say it is fine people pay it free blah blah... Guess what people pay hundred of dollars for other stuff that shouldn't cost that either. Doesn't make it worth defending.



I 100% agree with you the pricing is just wonky. Not even taking full games into account. Some cash stuff isn't even account wide and costs more then other free2play game sets.

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Originally Posted by Deo14

Just to put it in perspective, Steam has summer sales right now, for those $18 (to be fair, for me it says 13.5 euro, idk what's the deal with this pricing), you could get either of these games and still have few bucks left:

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I really like this outfit but this right here is why I probably won't be buying it. It's a really good outfit and I'd be willing to buy it for a lower price, but I can't justify paying $18 for it when I can get one of these full games for less. (multiple of them for less depending on which ones I pick) Maybe I'll get it when it goes on sale whenever that happens but the full price for this is just an outright scam. Don't buy this outfit at full price. Your money is more valuable than that. At least show some restraint and wait for it to go on sale. At least then it might be a remotely fair price.

I seriously question the sanity of anyone who thinks they're getting a good deal on this.

Not my cup of tea but props too those that like it.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

I really like this outfit but this right here is why I probably won't be buying it. It's a really good outfit and I'd be willing to buy it for a lower price, but I can't justify paying $18 for it when I can get one of these full games for less. (multiple of them for less depending on which ones I pick) Maybe I'll get it when it goes on sale whenever that happens but the full price for this is just an outright scam. Don't buy this outfit at full price. Your money is more valuable than that. At least show some restraint and wait for it to go on sale. At least then it might be a remotely fair price.

I seriously question the sanity of anyone who thinks they're getting a good deal on this.

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Generally I don't care what people do with their money, but... this is just depressing. People paying this much for cosmetics that aren't even account-wide, outright remove parts of certain races' anatomy, AND have an entire piece that is unusable by two races (while still being full price by the way) just tells SE that this is acceptable. I just don't get it.

For the WoW players, I haven't really played much in a while, were there ever gear pieces that removed tails or horns from the different races? I'm pretty sure that wasn't a thing in ESO or GW2 at all, from what I saw. I don't know why it's acceptable here.

Reminds me of the Llewellyn/Drang set from Dark Souls.

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Originally Posted by Deo14

I'm not even strictly against MTX in general, but $18 for a glamour set is laughable, no matter how many justifications you try to pull. Just to put it in perspective, Steam has summer sales right now, for those $18 (to be fair, for me it says 13.5 euro, idk what's the deal with this pricing), you could get either of these games and still have few bucks left:

Halo: Master Chief Collection - 10
Need for Speed: Heat - 14
Hades - 12.25
Dragon Age: Inquisition - 10
Mafia 1 remake - 14
Divinity: Original Sin II - 18
Metro Exodus - 6
Yakuza: Like a Dragon - 15
Monster Hunter Rise - 16
Subnautica/Below Zero - 9.89
Teraria - 5
Skyrim:SE - 10
Witcher 3 - 9 (GotY 2015)
It Takes Two - 16 (GotY 2021)
Ark - 4.19
Anno 1800 - 15
Valheim - 12
Assassin's Creed: Odyssey - 12
Horizon Zero Dawn - 16.49
Doom Eternal - 13.19
FFXV 17.49

If you want to go slightly over $18, you can get:
Red Dead Redemption 2 - 19.79
Nier: Automata - 20
Stray - 21
Detroit: Become Human - 20

... and much more.

So it's up to you if you want to spend your money on single mediocre set in FFXIV, or buy something like Witcher 3 or It Takes Two, both of which were GotY, or even FFXV, which gets a lot of flak, but nowadays it's honestly 7/10 at it's worst, but realistically still 8+/10 game.

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I wouldn't even be super opposed to these things if they were fairly priced. like 5 dollars for a armor set, 8 dollars for a mount etc but these prices (that wow started to be fair) are criminal

It's cool but not my preference, also it has a cape and a hat which means the dev team ignores their races with animal tails/ ears, even thought they designed these races.

Looks like winter attire for Sephiroth.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

https://onlinestore-img.finalfantasy...ub1_detail.jpg

Always nice to get more fantasy gear instead of all modern stuff!

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This.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...4704/image.png

I'm all for more fantasy gear instead of kpop outfit number 250 but can we stop it already with the capes. I get it, you really like capes, but just because you gives us nothing but capes they don't magically become any better.

I wont be purchasing this. I dont think it looks that good. The price is $18. How does anyone justify this? This should of been a dungeon set. It would of fit in somewhere.

Why does the shop get so much updates with prices from the damn moon itself ? Loporrits conspiracy ? Lopo-Gate ????

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Nice set, but dying all in one color like that looks terrible.

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Yeah - purchased it for my Alt char, as thought it would suit her (and I feel it really does):
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...180805_721.png
But immediately applied dye to the top :)

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

For the WoW players, I haven't really played much in a while, were there ever gear pieces that removed tails or horns from the different races?

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Some helmets would chop off the horns (tauren), tusks (trolls), ears (worgen, elves, goblins), or snouts (tauren, worgen, pandaren) in order to fit within the helmet model. There were also some that would leave the snouts sticking out of an open helmet, with awkward to terrible results. And most headgear that covered the top of the head, like a hat, would remove your hair entirely except for a small patch at the back. But not all pieces would do any of that, it was oddly inconsistent.

Other racial features (tails, odd feet, exposed bones on the undead) were usually left alone, though.

Who?

/10char

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Some helmets would chop off the horns (tauren), tusks (trolls), ears (worgen, elves, goblins), or snouts (tauren, worgen, pandaren) in order to fit within the helmet model. There were also some that would leave the snouts sticking out of an open helmet, with awkward to terrible results. And most headgear that covered the top of the head, like a hat, would remove your hair entirely except for a small patch at the back. But not all pieces would do any of that, it was oddly inconsistent.

Other racial features (tails, odd feet, exposed bones on the undead) were usually left alone, though.

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I just don't remember that happening at all, and I played a tauren. I remember my horns always poking through helmets. Not saying you're wrong or anything like that at all, it's just been so long since I've played (outside of like two weeks of Dragonflight...) that I don't remember if I ever noticed any of this happening.

I wish they would stop selling glamours in one set and/or allow us to pick up individual pieces.

That being said, I've been itching for this one lol.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

I wish they would stop selling glamours in one set and/or allow us to pick up individual pieces.

That being said, I've been itching for this one lol.

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I think we would all love to be able to buy individual pieces, but we also all know why they're not doing it.

If we could only pay for the parts of a set we actually want then SE would lose out on a lot of money. For pretty much every outfit I've bought on the mogstation I've had 0 use for some of the pieces which I simply would've never bought in the first place had I the option not to.

This head gear will not be displayed when equipped by Hrothgar or Viera characters.

Absolute garbage as far as I'm concerned. The hat might look awful but that's really besides the point.

IT'S BEEN 4 YEARS!!!!!!

Charging $18 for that is a joke. There's better stuff you can get in game from quests or drops. >_>

Holding my breath for an insanely well designed and detailed costume put on the store that will be only wearable by Hrothgar or Viera..

I mean if they're not goona give us a discount on costumes with hat pieces that we cannot wear... which is locked per character btw.. not to mention selling the product at the same price as a whole when 1 part of it is missing.. is just bad lol Normally when a piece of a whole product is missing, its marked at a discounted price.. why cant it be the same in this case?

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

Meh. I like it.

And I have very little interest in opinions pertraining to how I should and shouldn't spend the wages I work my arse off for every month, as have done for the past thirty years.

No regrets :)

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Doesnt make her less right about you being gullible and having no self control for a overpriced product that should of been ingame while enabling them to do this stuff.

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Originally Posted by Narissa

Holding my breath for an insanely well designed and detailed costume put on the store that will be only wearable by Hrothgar or Viera..

I mean if they're not goona give us a discount on costumes with hat pieces that we cannot wear... which is locked per character btw.. not to mention selling the product at the same price as a whole when 1 part of it is missing.. is just bad lol Normally when a piece of a whole product is missing, its marked at a discounted price.. why cant it be the same in this case?

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Square afraid of the min-maxxers that would fantasia to Viera, buy all the glam they want, and then swap back /s

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Originally Posted by Shinkuno

Square afraid of the min-maxxers that would fantasia to Viera, buy all the glam they want, and then swap back /s

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On the other hand, all those fantasia sales.

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Originally Posted by Nyxs

Doesnt make her less right about you being gullible and having no self control for a overpriced product that should of been ingame while enabling them to do this stuff.

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Well, overlooking the fact that you, and the person you referenced, felt it necessary to resort to insults aside - you're entitled to your opinion.

However, I'll say this: Gullible? Lacking control? Nope. If you want to pin those lables on anyone, look no further than those players addicted to buying lootboxes in just about any game that is committed to a business model with no qualms about encouraging gambling addiction. Game players who then post on forums/social media bemoaning how they spent all their money and didn't win anything worthwhile..... and then go back and do the same thing all over again when their wages are next paid.
Compared to that, I have no problem with buying an item I like, for a fixed price, and getting exactly what it says on the proverbial tin.

Again, I'll spend my hard-earned money how I wish. If you choose to vote with your wallet where the cash shop is concerned, that's your prerogative - and I won't resort to insulting you for that choice.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

I think we would all love to be able to buy individual pieces, but we also all know why they're not doing it.

If we could only pay for the parts of a set we actually want then SE would lose out on a lot of money. For pretty much every outfit I've bought on the mogstation I've had 0 use for some of the pieces which I simply would've never bought in the first place had I the option not to.

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Actually, I think SE would actually make MORE money. More people would be willing to buy individual pieces, and there are always going to be people who want the whole set. Plenty of hrothgar/viera players likely don't buy this stuff at all (I know I don't) because they are being ripped off and can't use one of the pieces, but if we could buy the individual pieces, there's money SE wouldn't have made otherwise. Plus people who might not want the whole set but like, say, the gloves might choose not to buy an $18 outfit for one piece, but would be more willing to pay like $3 or whatever for one piece.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

Well, overlooking the fact that you, and the person you referenced, felt it necessary to resort to insults aside - you're entitled to your opinion.

However, I'll say this: Gullible? Lacking control? Nope. If you want to pin those lables on anyone, look no further than those players addicted to buying lootboxes in just about any game that is committed to a business model with no qualms about encouraging gambling addiction. Game players who then post on forums/social media bemoaning how they spent all their money and didn't win anything worthwhile..... and then go back and do the same thing all over again when their wages are next paid.
Compared to that, I have no problem with buying an item I like, for a fixed price, and getting exactly what it says on the proverbial tin.

Again, I'll spend my hard-earned money how I wish. If you choose to vote with your wallet where the cash shop is concerned, that's your prerogative - and, unlike you, I won't resort to insulting you for that choice.

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I mean everyone knows lootboxes are predatory and unethical, I don't think anyone's arguing against that, it's just these glams are ALSO pretty predatory as well, but in a different way. It's just frustrating seeing people buy this stuff and further enabling SE to screw over certain players in the process.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Actually, I think SE would actually make MORE money. More people would be willing to buy individual pieces, and there are always going to be people who want the whole set. Plenty of hrothgar/viera players likely don't buy this stuff at all (I know I don't) because they are being ripped off and can't use one of the pieces, but if we could buy the individual pieces, there's money SE wouldn't have made otherwise. Plus people who might not want the whole set but like, say, the gloves might choose not to buy an $18 outfit for one piece, but would be more willing to pay like $3 or whatever for one piece.



I mean everyone knows lootboxes are predatory and unethical, I don't think anyone's arguing against that, it's just these glams are ALSO pretty predatory as well, but in a different way. It's just frustrating seeing people buy this stuff and further enabling SE to screw over certain players in the process.

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Fair comment, and at least more reasonable than the previous.

I don't know - I mean, I'll concede that, where the cash shop is concerned at least, it does seem - at least at face value - that the only language they understand or care about is 'Credit card'.

It's a tricky one, though. I mean, I spend the vast majority of my time at work. When not at work I have family commitments and what little time I get to myself is late evening, when I log into FFXIV and switch off from all the stress and responsibilities that revolve around working in healthcare and having a family. Therefore, if I want to spend some of what I earn on the only thing I really get time to do that isn't work/family related, I really don't see why I should feel guilty for that nor concern myself with other people's spending habits.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

Fair comment, and at least more reasonable than the previous.

I don't know - I mean, I'll concede that, where the cash shop is concerned at least, it does seem - at least at face value - that the only language they understand or care about is 'Credit card'.

It's a tricky one, though. I mean, I spend the vast majority of my time at work. When not at work I have family commitments and what little time I get to myself is late evening, when I log into FFXIV and switch off from all the stress and responsibilities that revolve around working in healthcare and having a family. Therefore, if I want to spend some of what I earn on the only thing I really get time to do that isn't work/family related, I really don't see why I should feel guilty for that nor concern myself with other people's spending habits.

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Actually indirectly you do have an impact on what the company does, doesnt really matter if you accept or not, the more you purchase stuff from said company, the more you enable them to make more "premium" stuff instead of putting it in the game, it's not about being guilty or being concerned, it's about the fact you indirectly have an impact of the game, and people have the right to call you out for it.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

Fair comment, and at least more reasonable than the previous.

I don't know - I mean, I'll concede that, where the cash shop is concerned at least, it does seem - at least at face value - that the only language they understand or care about is 'Credit card'.

It's a tricky one, though. I mean, I spend the vast majority of my time at work. When not at work I have family commitments and what little time I get to myself is late evening, when I log into FFXIV and switch off from all the stress and responsibilities that revolve around working in healthcare and having a family. Therefore, if I want to spend some of what I earn on the only thing I really get time to do that isn't work/family related, I really don't see why I should feel guilty for that nor concern myself with other people's spending habits.

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Hey, if it didn't come at the cost of telling SE it's okay to screw over Viera and Hrothgar players, while also giving a middle finger to miqo'tes, au ra, and, if their ears get cut off, lalafells and elezen, I'd completely agree with you. As it stands, IMO people should be instead clamoring for SE to either fix this crap or add glamour items to the game itself instead of asking for more than the freaking sub we pay for them. Not gonna harp on it though, I've stated my view and I'm done.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Actually indirectly you do have an impact on what the company does, doesnt really matter if you accept or not, the more you purchase stuff from said company, the more you enable them to make more "premium" stuff instead of putting it in the game, it's not about being guilty or being concerned, it's about the fact you indirectly have an impact of the game, and people have the right to call you out for it.

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"Call out"? Yeah, perhaps.

Insult? Not so much.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

If you want to pin those lables on anyone, look no further than those players addicted to buying lootboxes in just about any game that is committed to a business model with no qualms about encouraging gambling addiction. Game players who then post on forums/social media bemoaning how they spent all their money and didn't win anything worthwhile..... and then go back and do the same thing all over again when their wages are next paid.
Compared to that, I have no problem with buying an item I like, for a fixed price, and getting exactly what it says on the proverbial tin.

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Literal textbook whataboutism. People buying lootboxes in other games doesn't make my argument any less true. Make whatever financial decisions you want, but if you're dropping $18 on a full price mogstation outfit, I have the right to criticize you for making a poor decision.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Actually indirectly you do have an impact on what the company does, doesnt really matter if you accept or not, the more you purchase stuff from said company, the more you enable them to make more "premium" stuff instead of putting it in the game, it's not about being guilty or being concerned, it's about the fact you indirectly have an impact of the game, and people have the right to call you out for it.

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^ This. The enablers are upset that they're being called out for what they're doing.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Hey, if it didn't come at the cost of telling SE it's okay to screw over Viera and Hrothgar players

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I'm far more concerned with the absolutely ridiculous prices than whether a hat works on certain races. Although to be fair, I'd prefer it if Hrothgar had never gotten added to the game at all, (primarily because they consume dev resources just to give them features other races already have) so take that with a grain of salt I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

if their ears get cut off, lalafells and elezen

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Helmets that show the ears for elezen typically look worse for doing so, so honestly if the ears get cut off, I see that as a plus.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

I'm far more concerned with the absolutely ridiculous prices

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Well I did address that in the later part of that post you quoted. It's absolutely ridiculous that we have to pay more for a glamour set than for the actual subscription for the game, which is expounded upon by certain races not being able even use parts of the sets and the sets removing anatomical features (fair on the ears, but removing a tail is freaking wild).

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Well I did address that in the later part of that post you quoted.

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I know, I'm just expressing how I think one part of the issue is much more egregious than the other.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

It's absolutely ridiculous that we have to pay more for a glamour set than for the actual subscription for the game

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I agree 1000%.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Too bad I have zero faith that this situation will ever be fixed because too many people don't actually see an issue here... ._.

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That's unfortunately a great many issues with the game these days. There's a genuine issue that will never get fixed because people would rather plug their ears and pretend it's fine.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

I know, I'm just expressing how I think one part of the issue is much more egregious than the other.



I agree 1000%.

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To be fair, it was less about one part being worse and more "we have to pay THIS much for something that 1. doesn't fully work for some people and 2. removes parts of other peoples' characters". Too bad I have zero faith that this situation will ever be fixed because too many people don't actually see an issue here... ._.

At the very least, they should offer a discount if you plan on sending it to a Viera/Hrothgar character. Same with anything that has unequipable parts like the Aymeric set.

I like the set quite a lot, a bit unfortunate it dyes so intensely it sort of makes you look like a crayon but the undyed is already top-notch so not that big an issue

First up, there's a misunderstanding that's getting compounded here and in danger of turning into a "fact".

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

Has a cape.

*Angry Miqo'te noises*

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

While some may not care, I actually am not going to spend cash on items that remove core features of my race - in this case a tail that otherwise would not be confined in the pants of this outfit.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

It's absolutely ridiculous that we have to pay more for a glamour set than for the actual subscription for the game, which is expounded upon by certain races not being able even use parts of the sets and the sets removing anatomical features (fair on the ears, but removing a tail is freaking wild).

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The initial post said nothing about the cape removing tails, and it does not. Tails are visible with this outfit. It's just the usual can't-win-either-way issue that the tail clips through the cape rather awkwardly.

I feel like it would have looked better with a half-cape if they insisted on adding one.

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Originally Posted by Luluna

It is nice I do prefer the more fantasy style than modern. but why does the female set always get awful looking trousers...it would be nice to get a skirt now and then. And the hat is very similar to what we have been getting lately so I think the designer must love that style lol...whereas I am not fussed.

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I feel like the base problem is that they keep coming up with outfits that call for boring trousers for both genders lately, and they just keep putting in ever more pairs of boring trousers just so they can have a full set and not have people complain that it didn't come with pants.

Either they need to start leaving pants out of sets (in this case they could have given the capeless tunic as an alternate piece instead) or they need to start doing more wild and interesting things with them. The Boulevardier set comes to mind -- people complained about the frilly pantaloons, but at least it was something different and if you didn't like them, you could just substitute more conventional trousers into the set.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Basically this tbh, tired of most in game glams just looking terrible while the "HQ" ones are on the mog shop

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Personal opinion is personal. I love the in-game gear.

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Originally Posted by Rokke

iirc they don't include sets into sales until the set is like 6+ months old. I wouldn't expect this one to get discounted till maybe a xmas/new years sale if they have one.

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I think they might have shifted somewhat in their sales logic -- I recall recent Rising sales being more about "all non-seasonal gear in the shop" rather than the older approach of "everything in the shop except recent releases".

There was something -- I think it was the Lord/Lady Errant sets? -- that went on sale surprisingly soon after release. I remember it because I rarely buy things and I decided to just go for it because it wouldn't be cheaper for a long time yet, and then of course it was the one time that it actually was cheaper shortly after.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

This is exactly what my first thought was. Dungeon set, will not buy. Which is not a bad thing imo, it's good to have nice dungeon sets for free. Maybe someone else finds this suitable enough for their character that they will spend money on it.

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Dungeon sets are my favourite sort of sets. I want them to be making more things in the realm of dungeon sets, not just "fantasy is for dungeons, modern gear everywhere else" like they've been doing lately.

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Originally Posted by Eraden

Is dyeable? Is nots onesie?

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Only the NPC costumes get the undyeable onesie approach.

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Originally Posted by Deo14

I'm not even strictly against MTX in general, but $18 for a glamour set is laughable, no matter how many justifications you try to pull. Just to put it in perspective, Steam has summer sales right now, for those $18 (to be fair, for me it says 13.5 euro, idk what's the deal with this pricing), you could get either of these games and still have few bucks left:

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The thing is, firstly you still have to want to buy those specific games for them to be valuable, and secondly those are generally prices that have dropped over time. They're in the virtual equivalent of the bargain bin now, because anyone willing to pay full game price for them already did so long ago.

Thirdly, if I did feel like buying any of those games, I would weigh up that decision independently of deciding whether to buy glamour sets or not, because I am well off enough that I can choose to buy both if I wish to. (And if I wasn't, and wanted both, then yeah I would probably go for a full game over a digital outfit. But that's not a choice I need to make.)

It would be nice if the outfits here were cheaper, but they're not, and games aren't the only thing to weigh the comparison against. I can spend $10-15 on a meal, I have to spend $30 a week on train tickets, a few hundred dollars trickle out of my bank account monthly to pay regular bills... life is expensive and a lot of things cost far more for less lasting benefit than the one-off purchase of a digital outfit that is potentially going to get a lot of use over time.

I don't just leap to purchase every new set as it comes out. I only buy things as I have a specific use for them in mind. A few were mistakes, but so are other things, like games I've bought and then not liked. But the good ones get used a lot and that $18 cost gets spread out over many many hours of playtime.

Despite having started this thread, I haven't actually bought the Seigneur's set, but if it existed five years ago then I would have bought it entirely for those knee-length boots that are exactly what I was wanting at a point in the game where it seemed like the mage classes didn't get any boots in that style even though physical classes did. And then I would have gotten five years' wear out of those boots by now, which is probably more than I can hope for from any real pair of boots at that price.

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Originally Posted by Shinkuno

Square afraid of the min-maxxers that would fantasia to Viera, buy all the glam they want, and then swap back /s

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Ya but the point is, it would be locked to only those 2 races.. so switching back would render their purchase useless.. like 90% of the costume purchases on there is for a Viera/Hrothgar right now.

They can race lock, as we've already seen via the starting outfit, so this isn't impossible.

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Originally Posted by Nihility

I like the set quite a lot, a bit unfortunate it dyes so intensely it sort of makes you look like a crayon but the undyed is already top-notch so not that big an issue

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A brave admission, considering the response I received for saying similar!