How i kicked the habit (FFXIV).

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

*typical Vel stuff*

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Unless you can show proof where and when and who said the things you quote, your quotes are meaningless. I am not doing homework and trying to find where you got your imaginary speeches

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Originally Posted by AlexiaD

what the hell is wrong with yall lmao

you people complain that people dont play other games and that they should just quit, and when they do and they post that they finally took the jump and change to a different game, also thanking people making them understand that it would be better to play something else, yall still shit on them because "ok bye no one cares" "ok but who asked" "stop bragging"

this community seriously

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The people who are told that they should try new games cus they seem unhappy here *are* the people telling off the OP for actually doing just that and making this post to say so. It’s not the people who think you *should* do this who are complaining.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

I couldn't care less for my house at this point, I've given up 3 large houses this year just moving around datacenters trying to keep the game feeling fresh.

Housing is pretty stale as it is.

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That is so true. My house is a total waste of time. I'm done with this game, as well

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Theyve announced that theyre stopping the Living World content idea and just going for buyable mini-expansions from what Ive heard at least.

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good to hear. That was the worst part of GW2. I may try that again.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

What a nice blog post.

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Should've put it on lodestone blog instead of forum smh...

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

Should've put it on lodestone blog instead of forum smh...

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I forgot this exist tbh.

Why do you need validation to quit?

Lol this forum community...

Somebody: "This game has problems and SE isn't doing anything about it."
Community: "If you don't like playing then go play something else!"
Somebody: "Aight, Imma just head out and play something else then, thanks all!"
Community: "WTF? The nerve of you! Stop bragging! Stop having fun elsewhere!"

Are we really at a point as a society where we have to brag about how we managed to (evidently not completely) ween ourselves off of a video game? OP feels like an underhanded complaint against the game and nothing more to be honest. But in the off chance thats wrong, congrats on finally finding something fun to do.

Now if certain other forum dwellers could only learn from your actions and go find something fun to do.

For many of us, FFXIV is still fun and offers literally years worth of content in store for us. Guess I understand if one had been playing for 10 years they probably dont have a lot to look forward to though. If that does ever happen to me, I too will play other games or find something else to do that is fun. If the game changes fundamentally from what I liked about it when I started, I will also simply quit or do other things. I learned my lesson from years on the WoW forums, yelling about all the problems there in a vain effort to make a game something that it isn't, doesn't work, and it isn't healthy.

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Originally Posted by OM3GA-Z3RO

Lol this forum community...

Somebody: "This game has problems and SE isn't doing anything about it."
Community: "If you don't like playing then go play something else!"
Somebody: "Aight, Imma just head out and play something else then, thanks all!"
Community: "WTF? The nerve of you! Stop bragging! Stop having fun elsewhere!"

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I get it, and some people definitely go too far, but to be fair I read the OP and it's just business as usual for me.
Log in once or twice a week, sometimes go a few without logging in at all.

Maybe this is a new exceptional norm for the OP, but for me personally it's kinda unremarkable.

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Originally Posted by OM3GA-Z3RO

Lol this forum community...

Somebody: "This game has problems and SE isn't doing anything about it."
Community: "If you don't like playing then go play something else!"
Somebody: "Aight, Imma just head out and play something else then, thanks all!"
Community: "WTF? The nerve of you! Stop bragging! Stop having fun elsewhere!"

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Well sorry no one is taking a post that reads like a caffe machiato post seriously.

Keep showing how rotten to the core this community is guys, keep it up lmao

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

Are we really at a point as a society where we have to brag about how we managed to (evidently not completely) ween ourselves off of a video game?

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Are we really at a point as a society where we have to call ourselves "survivors" and "refugees" because we managed to ween ourselves off of a videogame?

Oh wait, that's you!

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

Also was a 16 year WoW survivor

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:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

Are we really at a point as a society where we have to call ourselves "survivors" and "refugees" because we managed to ween ourselves off of a videogame?

Oh wait, that's you!

:rolleyes:

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Gottem lmao

Happy for you OP! If FFXIV got to the point where it was a habit that needed to be kicked, I'm glad you took steps. There's so much fun to be had out there - from amazing devs with all new stories to experience. Enjoy your time!

I also divide my time among various interests and through that have had little issue with XIV myself.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

Yeah!

I got all my heart of thorns mastery points from a big train with like 100 people, the community is so active in the open world :D

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Indeed , and with the blending into super servers we all probably ran with the same guilds running them . I last did my mastery point/catch up on expansion story GW2 binge late last year into jan and took a break.

I wil say tho the vanilla OW stuff is pretty boring and its hard to find stuff other than mentor zerging in the zombie shores areas unless you dedicate yourself to a guild or keep up with stuff on discord and i hate doing both but im old and miserable


bah humbugs n , get off ma lawn/garden patio and stuff !

The whole point of FFXIV is to let you play other games. That’s why we all love it. We do the MSQ once or twice a year and then play other games. In fact, FFXIV is a great way to meet people to play other games with. Square Enix WANTS you to stop playing so you can buy FF16 (which has been confirmed GOTY and GOAT).

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

YoshiP: You're Welcome.

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So true. FFXIV was never intended to be a competitor to WoW, GW2, PSO2, Genshin, or any other live-service game. It’s simply a companion app to those. It lets you find people to play those “main games” with. Think of it like Discord: you don’t just type on Discord all day, you leave it on in the background while doing other stuff. No wonder people are getting burnt out, they’re treating a side dish like an entree.

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

For many of us, FFXIV is still fun and offers literally years worth of content in store for us.

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Factually incorrect. Please read the above-quoted post. FFXIV was never meant to feed your addiction. If this game has “years” of content, then OP is full of shit and is just trolling us, in which case you should report him. That also means Yoshi-P is wrong, and you wouldn’t disagree with him, would you?

Uh... Good for you I guess. No, really...

It's important to anyone unsatisfied beyond a certain point that the game direction may not still be catering to them. Granted, this shouldn't be used to dismiss feedback, but rather there's a certain point where you're screaming into a void. I've had it in countless other games, and have just opted to move on, just as I would with this game if/when that happens. Especially if it gets to a point where you feel it noticeably affects your mental health.

So, again, good on you, and I wish you all the best in other games.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Well sorry no one is taking a post that reads like a caffe machiato post seriously.

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I am so sorry that you are so jaded. Never to be able to see the good in things ever again.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

I just stopped logging in.

That was the secret to kicking the habit, to just walk away.

Years of pent up frustrations with the direction the game has taken, catering all content to people that want to turn XIV into IMVU, and don't want the be challenged by even the smallest difficulty.

It's been 3 weeks, i am a much happier person. I have explored multiple other games, even picked up some side games to play in the 6 months between content patches that XIV has.

Guild Wars 2, Fantastic MMO, the world actually feels alive, people constantly active in old and new zones alike, actual world content with rewards that makes it worth completing.

Diablo 4, Another good story, although post 70, the game is utter repetitive garbage and I've already stopped playing it at level 92. Hopefully seasons improve the game, or else that will just be dropped in general.

ARAM games with friends on LoL, nothing serious, just messing around having fun.

This is the true way to play XIV and remain happy with the game, and i finally understand that. NOT playing the game is the secret to enjoying the game over a long period of time.

For 9 years i have been blinded by the simple truth that XIV is not a main MMO. it is made to be played a few times per year, catching up with content and then moving back onto other games.

Thank you to whoever told me to go play other games, because XIV will not change regardless of how much feedback you throw at it, and coming to that realization has allowed me to move on and improved my mental health significantly.

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SE has an insane fear of developing an MMO that can be played 24/7 for fear of people becoming addicted and losing their real lives. The warning messages in XI and 1.0, as well as their punishment system in 1.0 made this obvious, wherein if you played too much you couldn't progress anymore. This crucial fear hampers them from producing a game at its full potential and also fails at keeping people from becoming addicted to this crippled MMO and or other things.

In other words, it doesn't prevent anything and it could be much better. But yes, indeed, the solution is to play this as a side piece for as long as it entertains you.

As a single play through story game this is an 8/10, as a game as a live service this game is a 3/10. Categorically awful to play year round and pay the sub the whole time.

GW2 is good for new players, bad for veterans like me (I've been playing since beta). It gets like 95% less content than XIV, lol. I only stick with GW2 because I'm attached to my Sylvari, my favorite MMO race ever.

I feel that. Been playing old mmo private servers and having a blast. Basically holding out for 6.5 to maybe have some draw to it but beyond that idk.

I think it's reasonable to assume that Yoshi knows how MMO players think, since he's admitted to have played MMOs himself for decades. And as the lead developer of FF14, I think it's also reasonable to assume that Yoshi oversaw the creation of a housing demolition system that nukes your hard-to-obtain personally-designed limited-edition housing space if you're gone longer than 45 days. And since this timer has been removed in the past and then brought back, I think it's safe to assume that they didn't simply implement this system and then forget about it. There was a conscious effort to maintain it. I think it's also safe to assume from what island sanctuaries have achieved, that instanced housing was not the technical impossibility people here thought it was. It simply wasn't implemented for reasons we can only speculate.

Given all of these things, when Yoshi smiles and tells players to take a break, I can't take him at his word. I think he knew when he said that, that players wouldn't quit, or that at the very least a set amount of them would have an extremely difficult time walking away for an extended period, because there are systems in place, on purpose, to make unsubbing for several months into a difficult process. And that's really what he meant. Walk away, sure. But stay subbed. Keep the game installed. Log in every 40 days for your house or whatever. Keep the shareholders happy. Keep paying us for month after month of 0 content. Maybe a 10 minute seasonal "event" but that's the best we can do. It's so barren right now. I have no idea why the devs pretend to be so against people modifying their client, when those are the most consistently active players. The grown men turning this game into Second Life are the ones online 24/7 and building content for other players, while the A-Team fucks off to make some real memorable bangers like forespoken, or finalize ff16, and Yoshi can't even stop playing his nintendo switch long enough for a live letter to end. And let's not forget the reliable monthly cash shop releases of items people assumed would be in game rewards. It's all kind of a joke right now. I don't know how some people can look at this game's current state and not just see a cash shop maintained at the minimal level for funding Square's other ventures. I own a house and wouldn't want to lose it, but if 6.5 sucks I'm gone out of principle.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

I feel that. Been playing old mmo private servers and having a blast. Basically holding out for 6.5 to maybe have some draw to it but beyond that idk.

I think it's reasonable to assume that Yoshi knows how MMO players think, since he's admitted to have played MMOs himself for decades. And as the lead developer of FF14, I think it's also reasonable to assume that Yoshi oversaw the creation of a housing demolition system that nukes your hard-to-obtain personally-designed limited-edition housing space if you're gone longer than 45 days. And since this timer has been removed in the past and then brought back, I think it's safe to assume that they didn't simply implement this system and then forget about it. There was a conscious effort to maintain it. I think it's also safe to assume from what island sanctuaries have achieved, that instanced housing was not the technical impossibility people here thought it was. It simply wasn't implemented for reasons we can only speculate.

Given all of these things, when Yoshi smiles and tells players to take a break, I can't take him at his word. I think he knew when he said that, that players wouldn't quit, or that at the very least a set amount of them would have an extremely difficult time walking away for an extended period, because there are systems in place, on purpose, to make unsubbing for several months into a difficult process. And that's really what he meant. Walk away, sure. But stay subbed. Keep the game installed. Log in every 40 days for your house or whatever. Keep the shareholders happy. Keep paying us for month after month of 0 content. Maybe a 10 minute seasonal "event" but that's the best we can do. It's so barren right now. I have no idea why the devs pretend to be so against people modifying their client, when those are the most consistently active players. The grown men turning this game into Second Life are the ones online 24/7 and building content for other players, while the A-Team fucks off to make some real memorable bangers like forespoken, or finalize ff16, and Yoshi can't even stop playing his nintendo switch long enough for a live letter to end. And let's not forget the reliable monthly cash shop releases of items people assumed would be in game rewards. It's all kind of a joke right now. I don't know how some people can look at this game's current state and not just see a cash shop maintained at the minimal level for funding Square's other ventures. I own a house and wouldn't want to lose it, but if 6.5 sucks I'm gone out of principle.

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So much truth in that post tbh, agree with everything, couldnt have said it any better myself

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

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There is a simple reason for the limited housing. Asian players really like prestige stuff in games, like limited housing for example. Even more so when other players can see it, thus the wards and not solo instanced houses like in the western MMO Wildstar. (R.I.P.).

Scarcity, whaling and swiping your credit card is just normal for asian players. The fault for that in my eyes is their work system, they don't have much time at hand and overwork themselves easily so they pump money in a game cause ofc they all don't have time to grind for weeks. Especially in Korea this is a real thing.

The western players see that ofc differently, we usually don't like prestige things that cost money. Like the statues that give emotes, extensive ingame shops and pay to win tho that has changed over the past too and the west is more adapting to that idea cause it's a cheap quick high. Thanks brain for being a junkie.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

I own a house and wouldn't want to lose it, but if 6.5 sucks I'm gone out of principle.

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Sounds like that'll be a good move for you. I can't imagine too much is going to change in 6.5 if your issues are really what you mentioned.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

SE has an insane fear of developing an MMO that can be played 24/7 for fear of people becoming addicted and losing their real lives. The warning messages in XI and 1.0, as well as their punishment system in 1.0 made this obvious, wherein if you played too much you couldn't progress anymore. This crucial fear hampers them from producing a game at its full potential and also fails at keeping people from becoming addicted to this crippled MMO and or other things.

In other words, it doesn't prevent anything and it could be much better. But yes, indeed, the solution is to play this as a side piece for as long as it entertains you.

As a single play through story game this is an 8/10, as a game as a live service this game is a 3/10. Categorically awful to play year round and pay the sub the whole time.

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I wouldnt say it was just because of fear of addiction, while I believe its partially true considering even back in FFXI, the launcher always had thay warning message to play sparingly.

But its also most likely that people have started to move on from obvious grindy retention systems where it turns the game into a job. Thats probably a major part for why FFXIV lacks longer retention content.

I mostly log in for an hour or two to wind down after work, then go play something else. Been working through my backlog. Horizon Forbidden West was awesome. Think I'm gonna go back to Tales of Arise next.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

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Wait what's this about YoshiP playing his switch during a live letter?

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Wait what's this about YoshiP playing his switch during a live letter?

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Last live letter yoship was playing the new zelda before they started.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

I just stopped logging in.

That was the secret to kicking the habit, to just walk away.

Years of pent up frustrations with the direction the game has taken, catering all content to people that want to turn XIV into IMVU, and don't want the be challenged by even the smallest difficulty.

It's been 3 weeks, i am a much happier person. I have explored multiple other games, even picked up some side games to play in the 6 months between content patches that XIV has.

Guild Wars 2, Fantastic MMO, the world actually feels alive, people constantly active in old and new zones alike, actual world content with rewards that makes it worth completing.

Diablo 4, Another good story, although post 70, the game is utter repetitive garbage and I've already stopped playing it at level 92. Hopefully seasons improve the game, or else that will just be dropped in general.

ARAM games with friends on LoL, nothing serious, just messing around having fun.

This is the true way to play XIV and remain happy with the game, and i finally understand that. NOT playing the game is the secret to enjoying the game over a long period of time.

For 9 years i have been blinded by the simple truth that XIV is not a main MMO. it is made to be played a few times per year, catching up with content and then moving back onto other games.

Thank you to whoever told me to go play other games, because XIV will not change regardless of how much feedback you throw at it, and coming to that realization has allowed me to move on and improved my mental health significantly.

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Im genuinely happy for you, just one thing: avoid LoL summoner rift like the plague, you have not seen True Toxicity until you play summoner rift with randoms.

From my part im a very casual ffxiv player so I take my time to complete all the content, hell I didnt even still finish all post Endwalker MSQ or pandaemonium, right now im in the relic weapon grinds.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

I mostly log in for an hour or two to wind down after work, then go play something else. Been working through my backlog. Horizon Forbidden West was awesome. Think I'm gonna go back to Tales of Arise next.

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Ah that explains why I've never been able to find ya when I do log in. The rare moments I do.

Yes I'm stalking you. Well trying. Sorry. If you don't want to be found let me know and I'll stop here and now.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

Yes I'm stalking you. Well trying.

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You just know this is going to be taking out of context sometime in the future.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

I wouldnt say it was just because of fear of addiction, while I believe its partially true considering even back in FFXI, the launcher always had thay warning message to play sparingly.

But its also most likely that people have started to move on from obvious grindy retention systems where it turns the game into a job. Thats probably a major part for why FFXIV lacks longer retention content.

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I disagree. The game could very well put more effort into its content. After all it took about 3 years from the game launching, failing, and getting completely destroyed, rebuilt, and re-written from 2010-2013. In the present every 2 years we get 6 disposable zones and the same style raids with some slightly different content on the side.

People haven't moved on from retention systems, the game has simply stopped putting out content and the positive marketing spin on it is that it has moved on from grindy retention systems. If there were interesting content in the game then these complaints wouldn't be getting raised.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

Ah that explains why I've never been able to find ya when I do log in. The rare moments I do.

Yes I'm stalking you. Well trying. Sorry. If you don't want to be found let me know and I'll stop here and now.

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I'm usually on around 3-5 PM Eastern. Sometimes a bit later, mostly on Tuesday.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

You just know this is going to be taking out of context sometime in the future.

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Oh for sure it will

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

I'm usually on around 3-5 PM Eastern. Sometimes a bit later, mostly on Tuesday.

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I'll take that it's OK. Cool. Hope to see you sometime soon.

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Originally Posted by DayHealer

Im genuinely happy for you, just one thing: avoid LoL summoner rift like the plague, you have not seen True Toxicity until you play summoner rift with randoms.

From my part im a very casual ffxiv player so I take my time to complete all the content, hell I didnt even still finish all post Endwalker MSQ or pandaemonium, right now im in the relic weapon grinds.

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Oh yeah, i played league from beta until season 4, and hard quit any normal/ranked games on league. Its a toxic cesspool of people tilting over the smallest stuff, riot really aughta offer counseling as part of the game experience.

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

Are we really at a point as a society where we have to brag about how we managed to (evidently not completely) ween ourselves off of a video game? OP feels like an underhanded complaint against the game and nothing more to be honest. But in the off chance thats wrong, congrats on finally finding something fun to do.

Now if certain other forum dwellers could only learn from your actions and go find something fun to do.

For many of us, FFXIV is still fun and offers literally years worth of content in store for us. Guess I understand if one had been playing for 10 years they probably dont have a lot to look forward to though. If that does ever happen to me, I too will play other games or find something else to do that is fun. If the game changes fundamentally from what I liked about it when I started, I will also simply quit or do other things. I learned my lesson from years on the WoW forums, yelling about all the problems there in a vain effort to make a game something that it isn't, doesn't work, and it isn't healthy.

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Is it really that hard to be happy for someone who has finally learned some of the lessons about gaming that we had already learned?

The OP sounds a lot more positive now that they've taken a risk and followed the advice that other posters were giving them to try other games. They've found that there was value in that advice. There's a big difference between the tone of the posts they were making when they were still trying to force FFXIV to be their one and only game and the one at the start of this thread.

They also mention that they see themselves coming back to play FFXIV in the future when there are major new content releases.

Up to you if you want to see their post as a backhanded complaint. I see it as someone experiencing personal growth by trying something new. I've got no problem being glad they've found happiness trying other games while I continue to enjoy playing FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

As a single play through story game this is an 8/10, as a game as a live service this game is a 3/10. Categorically awful to play year round and pay the sub the whole time.

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While I agree with it being maybe a 3/10 as a subscription mmo/live service game, at least since quite some time, I have to disagree with it being an 8/10 as a single player story game.

Because if I were to treat it as a single player story-focused game then I would inevitably have to compare it with other AAA single player games and compared to those it often also falls woefully short, mostly due to the gameplay that the MSQ offers but especially when it comes to story presentation. Even if I were to go as far as to only compare it to story-focused single player games from around 2013 when ARR released.
As a single player game it simply gets dragged down by it's mmorpg design.

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

The whole point of FFXIV is to let you play other games. That’s why we all love it. We do the MSQ once or twice a year and then play other games. In fact, FFXIV is a great way to meet people to play other games with. Square Enix WANTS you to stop playing so you can buy FF16 (which has been confirmed GOTY and GOAT).

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Yes and no. If I appreciate the "not too much farming, short dailies, which takes you max a month to finish", there are a lot of time where the game seems to forget it's a mmo, and as such, it needs to give player long running content to do. With EW, if you're not a raider and are up to date with the older content, game is kinda boring right now.

And if the "Square Enix WANTS you to stop playing so you can buy FF16 " is true, it's not the best move. Before 6.3, I was planning to buy a PS5 for FFXVI on day one. After 6.3 and 6.4, I waiting to have the opinion of people not matrixed by FFXIV. The state of XIV for the past 6 month is the reason why I don't plan to anymore. Why would I trust people that seems like they can't deliver anymore. The state of XIV did kill my hype for XVI. I don't know how average or not this feeling is, but I know I'm not alone to feel that.

Well, XIV is not the only MMO I play.

I am an 80s baby; it is instilled in us to beat games we start lol......

....I don't love XIV perse, 6.9/10 game.....but I gotta beat the main story.......However long it takes...

...Anyway, back to Shredder's Revenge.