Some MMO we have

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Originally Posted by Windfire

Just took a peep at primal, as of this minute 1 dungeon, 6 trials, 5 raids,16 high-end,1 FATE,1 field op and 50 other, yup totally "dead" :p

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Oh my god, a WHOLE 26 parties, on a saturday evening at prime time, and we are happy about that, LMAO

And the "other" tab is literally all venues, there are double the parties for venues than for endgame content

Meanwhile on EU WoW, at 3:40 am, there are about 120 parties recruiting, for endgame content ONLY, at 3:40 AM in the morning.

Unfortunately, the OP forgot to tell us about which world that wonderful DPS actually lived, or why they weren't using the regular duty finder (which is fed by players in the Leveling Roulette).

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Originally Posted by Ath192

The DF isn't the issue. Everyone quit or is using trusts. That PF posting has the very specific goal of wanting company in an MMO, something hard to do when there isn't content to keep players engaged and when the game just pushes you to do the content with bots instead of people.

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False. You dont need PF to form player made groups for basic msq dungeons. Ive used the DF for low level characters on an alt all the time and I havent ran into the situation where the queue is so bad I need to form a PF.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

False. You dont need PF to form player made groups for basic msq dungeons. Ive used the DF for low level characters on an alt all the time and I havent ran into the situation where the queue is so bad I need to form a PF.

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Nobody is claiming that. All I'm presenting is evidence someone felt the need to post a PF and describe it as such. Given I feel the game doesn't have content it reinforces my belief that most people have moved on or are playing solo, hence the post of the title "Some MMO we have". I hope this helps understand the sentiment.

Most people form premades out of FC members and friends list. And they run most content with PUGs rather than premades. Neither of these will use PF. How many PF parties do you want there to be to be considered "not dead"?

Also, someone posted a screen that had 96 high end party listings, so the discrepancy in PF amounts is likely time and location dependent, not content-dependent.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Nobody is claiming that. All I'm presenting is evidence someone felt the need to post a PF and describe it as such. Given I feel the game doesn't have content it reinforces my belief that most people have moved on or are playing solo, hence the post of the title "Some MMO we have". I hope this helps understand the sentiment.

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that still doesnt prove anything though. You're generalizing something you've seen and taking it out of context. If this were the case, you'd see multiple listings of this sort of thing. You cant just pin down one average joe who prolly didnt even try DF to assume what you're arguing about

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Originally Posted by Alleluia

Most people form premades out of FC members and friends list. They run most content with random match parties. Neither of these will use PF. How many PF parties do you want there to be to be considered "not dead"? Also, someone posted a screen that had 96 high end party listings, so the discrepancy in PF amounts is likely time and location dependent, not content-dependent.

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I feel like people are participating in this thread, but not actually bothering to read what others say, just hope someone else does bother reading theirs lol. Its DC dependent. As far as the - How many PF parties do you want there to be to be considered "not dead" - I was actually not hoping to find something like that in PF. It's such a downer TBH.

The Aether one looks alright. Ideally I'd like to see a ratio of more group up for actual game activities than "others". It tells me there is more things to do in the game that people are actively participating in than "made up" events, where people are just using the game assets to make up stuff because the actual game apparently doesn't appeal to them as much.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

that still doesnt prove anything though. You're generalizing something you've seen and taking it out of context. If this were the case, you'd see multiple listings of this sort of thing. You cant just pin down one average joe who prolly didnt even try DF to assume what you're arguing about

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I don't think I'm taking it out of context, seems very explicit to me. Do you have any proof they meant the game was full of players dying to do Haukke Manor with them and he chose to put that PF up instead?

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Nobody is claiming that. All I'm presenting is evidence someone felt the need to post a PF and describe it as such. Given I feel the game doesn't have content it reinforces my belief that most people have moved on or are playing solo, hence the post of the title "Some MMO we have". I hope this helps understand the sentiment.

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People also buy mineral water off the market board when you can walk 10 feet and buy it from the vendor for ten less gil. Someone posting a PF group doesn't mean it was actually the only way they'd get a group. Did you check the DF as a DPS for Haukke at the time?

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Originally Posted by Alleluia

People also buy mineral water off the market board when you can walk 10 feet and buy it from the vendor for ten less gil. Someone posting a PF group doesn't mean it was actually the only way they'd get a group. Did you check the DF as a DPS for Haukke at the time?

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No, I just believed them. What I can tell you I know for a fact though is that I will occasionally fish for insta queues by switching between healer/tank and rarely... DPS and have often found myself waiting a few for several dailies such as 50/60/70/80s and normal raids whereas earlier in the expansion that wasn't a thing.

Your market board point actually benefits me, because people do that out of convenience instead of walking to the store. If that were the case they would be using the DF, I've only seen people use PF when they can't get anyone on DF in my experience.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

I feel like people are participating in this thread, but not actually bothering to read what others say, just hope someone else does bother reading theirs lol. Its DC dependent. As far as the - How many PF parties do you want there to be to be considered "not dead" - I was actually not hoping to find something like that in PF. It's such a downer TBH.

The Aether one looks alright. Ideally I'd like to see a ratio of more group up for actual game activities than "others". It tells me there is more things to do in the game that people are actively participating in than "made up" events, where people are just using the game assets to make up stuff because the actual game apparently doesn't appeal to them as much.



I don't think I'm taking it out of context, seems very explicit to me. Do you have any proof they meant the game was full of players dying to do Haukke Manor with them and he chose to put that PF up instead?

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That's mostly the thing with venues tbh, people have to make their own fun because the game itself is well.. just doesnt provide enough fun.

Also you are not taking it out of context, it makes sense with your OP and also with the title. Nothing wrong with it.

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Originally Posted by Alleluia

People also buy mineral water off the market board when you can walk 10 feet and buy it from the vendor for ten less gil. Someone posting a PF group doesn't mean it was actually the only way they'd get a group. Did you check the DF as a DPS for Haukke at the time?

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You are literally boosting their point, because it would be harder for the person to make a PF for Haukke, instead of just queuing up for it. Are you saying that people are creating inconveniences for themselves for the fun of it ?

I was saying that people don't do the cheaper thing with that MB analogy with cheaper = optimal. They often get fleeced on items on the MB b/c they don't know where to get the item. Most people don't even seem to know the shop price part of the tool tip means you can buy something from a vendor in the first place. People don't always act the most efficiently, jsut the most efficiently they are aware of.

But yeah, okay. DF doesn't provide Haukke parties, so we need new content. Game is dead. /thread

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Oh my god, a WHOLE 26 parties, on a saturday evening at prime time, and we are happy about that, LMAO

And the "other" tab is literally all venues, there are double the parties for venues than for endgame content

Meanwhile on EU WoW, at 3:40 am, there are about 120 parties recruiting, for endgame content ONLY, at 3:40 AM in the morning.

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Why so angry, lots of people (including me) don't use PF just DF? Also if wow's so hoppin', why aren't you there? Here's a different anecdotal evidence for though, my brother picked wow back up two months ago. I watched him run around for a while to see if the new expac would be worth it, there were only around half a dozen people in the MAIN HUB.This was on the weekend during primetime btw.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

You are literally boosting their point, because it would be harder for the person to make a PF for Haukke, instead of just queuing up for it. Are you saying that people are creating inconveniences for themselves for the fun of it ?

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I should think so, because if all the DPS player knew was Duty Support (because it was introduced in Sashtasha), they might not think they could open the Duty window, click specifically on Sastasha and have other non-Sastasha players join in from the Leveling Roulette. That would be my own interpretation, rather than some convoluted belief that nobody was queuing up for a Leveling Roulette at 4 pm in the afternoon on a Saturday.

There is no way a Party Finder queue for Haukke Manor would be quicker than selecting the Duty itself. It would have to have been a new player. And why didn't the OP send a tell to the player telling them that bit of information?

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

That's mostly the thing with venues tbh, people have to make their own fun because the game itself is well.. just doesnt provide enough fun.

Also you are not taking it out of context, it makes sense with your OP and also with the title. Nothing wrong with it.



You are literally boosting their point, because it would be harder for the person to make a PF for Haukke, instead of just queuing up for it. Are you saying that people are creating inconveniences for themselves for the fun of it ?

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it just kinda proves that the playerbase is very dumb to be honest

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Add content to keep the game alive please.

https://i.imgur.com/PGJnqUC.png

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Post what time you searched that at and which server. I think it is normal that on an NA server most people would be asleep when, you know, it is NIGHTTIME!

It's not the games fault that you play at night, lol.

Besides that even at night you can easily get into dungeons and yes with real people. Only problem might be raids cause you know...PEOPLE ARE ASLEEP.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

And why didn't the OP send a tell to the player telling them that bit of information?

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Honestly? Because I'm a normal human being and just got bummed out by it. I'm not gonna launch a full blown investigation and start interrogating people. It's a mystery to me how people haven't noticed just how many people have either taken breaks or left the game.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Post what time you searched that at and which server. I think it is normal that on an NA server most people would be asleep when, you know, it is NIGHTTIME!

It's not the games fault that you play at night, lol.

Besides that even at night you can easily get into dungeons and yes with real people. Only problem might be raids cause you know...PEOPLE ARE ASLEEP.

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Excal, Primal, Saturday 6:00 PM

https://i.imgur.com/fDyCHZY.png

4pm is late afternoon/early evening. Even still a cherry pick is a cherry pick. Stop acting like your picture is something more than the gotch ya you wish it was.

Oh so actual dinner time.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

4pm is late afternoon/early evening. Even still a cherry pick is a cherry pick. Stop acting like your picture is something more than the gotch ya you wish it was.

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It's not, It's just a fact. If people want to spin this to fit their narrative or make excuses so be it. Nobody is acting like anything. You just feel attacked because truth is apparently hard to swallow.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

It's not, It's just a fact. If people want to spin this to fit their narrative or make excuses so be it. Nobody is acting like anything. You just feel attacked because truth is apparently hard to swallow.

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Or could be a bad case of confirmation bias? What you're doing is literally what you're stating here; trying to take something to fit your narrative.

Ok the game is officially dead

Time to cancel our subscription guys. You’re not having fun anyway.

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Originally Posted by Aword3213

Ok the game is officially dead

Time to cancel our subscription guys. You’re not having fun anyway.

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Yup, party is over, goodbye everyone! It was fun while it lasted.


See you all next week or month when we have this conversation again? and again? and again? and -

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Or could be a bad case of confirmation bias? What you're doing is literally what you're stating here; trying to take something to fit your narrative.

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The picture I was asked to post? The picture is just a fact. I mean I didn't manipulate it, Someone assumed it was done at 3 AM or something, asked me to post it, so I did.

As far as the game having no long lasting new content, you could call it a narrative... I view it more as a truth. We could go down a huge legalistic whole about what is long lasting content and what isn't. But I don't feel like it TBH.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Yup, party is over, goodbye everyone! It was fun while it lasted.


See you all next week or month when we have this conversation again? and again? and again? and -

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Until it gets fixed. It worked for the people who wanted everything nerfed, they never stopped complaining did they? Or female hroth, or hair, and they are on going with the hats, and housing.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Until it gets fixed. It worked for the people who wanted everything nerfed, they never stopped complaining did they? Or female hroth, or hair, and they are on going with the hats, and housing.

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Fix what?

SE has more accurate data of active players and their online activities than your screenshot . It doesn’t provide any feedback other than screaming the game is dead to us remaining and active players who are still paying subs despite all the hatred and disgust towards this game.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

The picture I was asked to post? The picture is just a fact. I mean I didn't manipulate it, Someone assumed it was done at 3 AM or something, asked me to post it, so I did.

As far as the game having no long lasting new content, you could call it a narrative... I view it more as a truth. We could go down a huge legalistic whole about what is long lasting content and what isn't. But I don't feel like it TBH.

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Nobody cares about the actual screenshot. Its you using it as a means to instill the narrative that you're presenting when literally there's better ways to prove so. Like the fact that progression in this game is super simple and easy so content doesnt last very long anyway. I dont need a screenshot of somebody making a very specific PF to tell me that.

We are entering a patch lull. It's always like that. Yoshi-P designs the game around how most players check out the latest DLC/patch in a game for a few days and then move on to the next. He knows they will slowly play less and then play other games, then come back for the next patch. This is unavoidable unless they force people to play and grind every day like Blizzard did by making it punishing to take a break, which by many accounts wasn't fun or healthy.

By the way, at the hour this was posted it is an hour before activity picks up for the NA region. I have struggled to get a party going until the hour that follows in the past. Although it is also the weekend where activity is usually higher as well.

I don't know what data center this is but a lot of people are actually going to Aether for raids now which affects the number of parties on other data centers.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Also love how there's more venues in the others tab than the endgame content tab

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Some people define MMO as social content and some people define it by raids. Regardless, the raids tab has a lot of people there too.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Post what time you searched that at and which server. I think it is normal that on an NA server most people would be asleep when, you know, it is NIGHTTIME!

It's not the games fault that you play at night, lol.

Besides that even at night you can easily get into dungeons and yes with real people. Only problem might be raids cause you know...PEOPLE ARE ASLEEP.

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*posts in-game screenshots, steamcharts, quotes from luckybancho etc.*

"YOU NEED TO POST ALL EVIDENCE OF THIS GAME'S DECLINE WITH TIMESTAMPS, HASH CHECKSUMS, SIGNATURE OF AUTHENTICITY FROM YOUR CONGRESSPERSON."

"wait what about your evidence that this game is thriving"

"UHHH UMMM DUTY FINDER POPS???"

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Originally Posted by hunkygladiator

*posts in-game screenshots, steamcharts, quotes from luckybancho etc.*

"YOU NEED TO POST ALL EVIDENCE OF THIS GAME'S DECLINE WITH TIMESTAMPS, HASH CHECKSUMS, SIGNATURE OF AUTHENTICITY FROM YOUR CONGRESSPERSON."

"wait what about your evidence that this game is thriving"

"UHHH UMMM DUTY FINDER POPS???"

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I believe your 70% player base drop off

I believe OP's indication of game being unplayable due to dead Party Finder

I believe someone said FFXIV is dying 5 years ago.

Yet we're still here, paying subs.

And yet last night I was insta-queuing as DPS at 3 am. Limsa packed, GS packed, Radz packed. Doesn't seem all that dead to me. Isn't anecdotal evidence fun? Maybe it feels dead to you because nobody likes you.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Yes, but this is me recommending Yoshi P adding longer lasting content to the game. There could even be revenue in it. Subs are good for business generally.

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Oh, so you literally did everything in the game? Wow. Quite an achievement.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

The picture I was asked to post? The picture is just a fact. I mean I didn't manipulate it, Someone assumed it was done at 3 AM or something, asked me to post it, so I did.

As far as the game having no long lasting new content, you could call it a narrative... I view it more as a truth. We could go down a huge legalistic whole about what is long lasting content and what isn't. But I don't feel like it TBH.

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It was a fine cherry pick to be sure.

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Originally Posted by Aword3213

Yet we're still here, paying subs.

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The activity in this very thread disproves OP's thesis.

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Originally Posted by Bad_Luck

And yet last night I was insta-queuing as DPS at 3 am. Limsa packed, GS packed, Radz packed. Doesn't seem all that dead to me. Isn't anecdotal evidence fun? Maybe it feels dead to you because nobody likes you.

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Totally. The thing is that OP’s picture was taken idk when. Also, who uses PF for a regular dungeon? Normally people us DF for that, not PF.

The fact is that the Primal DC has pretty fast queue times in general when you use DF and Bozja and Eureka are alive too. When I queue for ARs I get a high proportion of Nier and Orbonne raids too. Just went through an entire MSQ and raid unlocks on an alt and even on a dps I rarely waited for more than 10 minutes (of course, I didn’t try to unlock Orbonne raids at 3 am either).

PF has a limited interest/usefulness outside some specific content and even then it can be situational, like hunts for example: it usually is a matter of minutes when train forms (about 3 times/day) or when a boss is announced.

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Originally Posted by Alleluia

.... Who on earth is using party finder to get through Haukke Manor normal? XD That isn't a thing. There's no way.

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Seriously. No one is pointing out that OP's screenshot is tabbed to a section of PF that literally no one uses PF for. Whoever made that PF could easily get a Haukke Manor pop in like 5-10 minutes in DF lol.

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

Totally. The thing is that OP’s picture was taken idk when. Also, who uses PF for a regular dungeon? The fact is that the Primal DC has pretty fast queue times in general when you use DF, Bozja and Eureka are alive too. When I queue for ARs I get a high proportion of Nier and Orbonne raids too. Take tabs like hunts: they are used regularly but it usually is a matter of a few minutes when train forms (about 3 times/day) or when a boss is announced.

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Not to split hairs but I see/have seen people posting first time clears on PF for dungeons & trials in most if not all the original 3 NA DCs to attract help via the new person bonus you can get. I also see it on Dynamis as well but that should probably be obvious as to why.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Seriously. No one is pointing out that OP's screenshot is tabbed to a section of PF that literally no one uses PF for. Whoever made that PF could easily get a Haukke Manor pop in like 5-10 minutes in DF lol.

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I noticed that. I think OP is doing social experiment just to see how stupid could people be to actually defend that screenshot

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Originally Posted by Bad_Luck

Oh, so you literally did everything in the game? Wow. Quite an achievement.

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So much to do!

https://i.imgur.com/q5ZRq9a.png

Such great content like..

https://i.imgur.com/cbaHHi0.png

OH AND

https://i.imgur.com/kPUf1SL.png

What I actually don't get is the venue hate. Every MMO ever made tends to become a bit of a social hub with time. The way XIV does housing lends itself to people opening places for those that want to come hang out. It's just the nature of an MMO. I get what you're saying with the other tabs, but where a venue can happen any day at any time, battle content depends on a lot of varying factors such as time of day, DC, time of week (reclears) and a lot of content gets match made via Duty Finder rather than PF. Some people also legit dislike using PF to do EX/SVG and prefer to do premades, even just casually. It varies.

I guess some may call me a shill, and go ahead if that's what floats your boat. I just don't like using single graphs/images to make absolute statements about the game's health. I think the best opinions are built upon different sources of data, doing some analysis, and considering as many variables as possible, though you're free to post whatever you feel like, of course. Maybe you just have a hate boner or something? I don't know, I may be wrong and I do apologize if I got the wrong idea, but it comes across a bit like that. And with how much people antagonize each other (for seemingly no reason) I usually find posts like this to be rather... "dull" I think it's the word I'm looking for? A single image doesn't tell the whole story of any game, and any meaningful conversation gets lost in the middle of often times simplistic absolute statements.

*Edit: I miss HM Dungeons, honestly. They were perfect as Midcore content, and allowed for new stories to be told in remixed dungeons that we got to explore with some unique mechanics here and there. I wish these made a comeback.