The CODDLING of modern ShB/EW newbies has led to insane player skill stratification

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Originally Posted by hunkygladiator

They can't handle disagreements, and can't handle criticism. They are too sensitive and averse to challenge.

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TRUE. Someone in game tried to report me for making fun of lalafells.

You went from having a point to: "Ok, boomer."

Jokes aside, I agree 100% there should be genuine skill expression for all roles. If casuals wanna casual they can stay in casual content and not worry about optimizing. They shouldn't cry and complain that they are "gatekept" out of harder content when they themselves don't want to improve. If everyone is VIP then no one is.

That being said, your comments on people talking about their feelings and being "coddled" despite growing up in a psychotic environment that is cranking up rates of depression (referring to the USA) made me lol.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Really?
Even the Crafters and Gatherers?

MAN, we need to rise up and demand them to stop coddling the Crafters and Gatherers.
You know what needs to happen? We need a Crafters and Gatherers Ultimate, or a New DoL & DoH Raid Series.
Make the Jobs and Content Hard Again, there is no reason we dont Wipe against High Level Deposits. The Ocean Fishing Alliance Raid was a Good Attempt, but even Sprouts could Clear it without taking damage.

SE needs to do better.
Hopefully the Next Ocean Fishing Raid will be harder.

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Ill bite.
Crafting pre-5.3 was much harder and the rework to allow EVERYONE to be a crafter was a shit decision that literally tanked the marketboard and actual crafting mains got screwed over.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

I'm pretty sure you made the post you linked to in here LOL

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Hunky Reaver, level 90 Botanist.

Hunky Gladiator, level 90 Botanist.

Data Center Aether (both Jenova and Cactuar)

I agree. It sure seems likely they're the same player.

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Originally Posted by hunkygladiator

Things don't need to be unclearable, but an occasional vote abandon and wipe even in casual content helps players get better and appreciate the times when it actually is a smooth experience. We had that in HW and SB and the game grew just fine then.

Having absolutely zero stakes to casual content makes for an incredibly dull experience.

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Don't we already have content that people wipe in? Even during roulettes people still wipe in those, or on the current level 90 casual content.

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Originally Posted by EstelleCere

Don't we already have content that people wipe in? Even during roulettes people still wipe in those, or on the current level 90 casual content.

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Literally who is wiping in Euphrosyne

Meh, ff14 has always been a soft game, its been around too long to change. Its almost year 10, they have their audience, only reason for the peak was asmon. When\if he comes back, It will peak again.

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Originally Posted by EstelleCere

Don't we already have content that people wipe in? Even during roulettes people still wipe in those, or on the current level 90 casual content.

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This tho. When Aglaia was newer, I'd seen my alliance wipe because not everyone fully understood the balance mechanic during the Nald'thal fight, and I see similar things happen in some of the other less frequented raids (both normal and alliance). But funnily enough, I personally experience the most wipes doing ARR content with new tanks/healers.

So... ultimately, this is anecdotal, and any struggle I witness is usually down to inexperience or just, like, "wow, it's been a while since I've done this one," but it still amounts to the same thing. The challenge is still there, just not for players who frequently run the content in question, and especially when said content is less formulaic than the usual fare.

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Originally Posted by hunkygladiator

Things don't need to be unclearable, but an occasional vote abandon and wipe even in casual content helps players get better and appreciate the times when it actually is a smooth experience. We had that in HW and SB and the game grew just fine then.

Having absolutely zero stakes to casual content makes for an incredibly dull experience.

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I feel he's right there, the new raids, trials etc... its way too easy and dungeons became even more of an hallway sim then ever before..

Im not a fan of easy mode for story as well... there need to be points of "you need to be THIS good to continue".

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

Ill bite.
Crafting pre-5.3 was much harder and the rework to allow EVERYONE to be a crafter was a shit decision that literally tanked the marketboard and actual crafting mains got screwed over.

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Imagine being salty that crafting is more accessible.

I vote putting enrages in more(not all) trials. Adds in trials(which they are kind of doing now), More healing checks,(Not mitigation checks, think of Cid thunder God Ivalice Raid), and more reasons for me to position the boss effectively as a tank.

I also add more raid wide damage or special attacks that frequently hit other players besides the tank so that healers always have something to heal rather than dealing damage. They should MOSTLY heal rather than MOSTLY damage.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Imagine being salty that crafting is more accessible.

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I know people who are, for THIS reason

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

the rework to allow EVERYONE to be a crafter was a shit decision that literally tanked the marketboard and actual crafting mains got screwed over.

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Because now they can't control the Market and make people dependent on them, and now they cant make Millions of Gill as easily.

not to put too fine a point on it...

but isnt the OP a Shb/EW "newbie"?

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

Im not a fan of easy mode for story as well... there need to be points of "you need to be THIS good to continue".

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Those points exist. Thankfully, they're much higher than what you might desire. An MMORPG becomes unprofitable when you make it so hard that the players you wish would quit do so..

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

not to put too fine a point on it...

but isnt the OP a Shb/EW "newbie"?

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Given the OP has one maxed out combat job and the rest all gathering and crafting, he's more than likely just another gil farming sockpuppet who's trolling the forum on a throwaway account.

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Originally Posted by Turnintino

This tho. When Aglaia was newer, I'd seen my alliance wipe because not everyone fully understood the balance mechanic during the Nald'thal fight, and I see similar things happen in some of the other less frequented raids (both normal and alliance). But funnily enough, I personally experience the most wipes doing ARR content with new tanks/healers.

So... ultimately, this is anecdotal, and any struggle I witness is usually down to inexperience or just, like, "wow, it's been a while since I've done this one," but it still amounts to the same thing. The challenge is still there, just not for players who frequently run the content in question, and especially when said content is less formulaic than the usual fare.

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Yeah, I'm still in alliances at times where people wipe, because of the reasons you listed. Hell, I still have been in wipes in CT or Stormblood raids LOL

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Literally who is wiping in Euphrosyne

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Many people still wipe there, especially when it was new. I saw alliances (mine included) wipe multiple times before.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

The bait is strong in this thread, maybe you should focus on leveling something else besides your crafters and gatherers? Why is it that forum trolls always have marketboard alts and bot chars?

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So you'd disagree with the following?

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Originally Posted by hunkygladiator

That's why FF14 is so successful. Because it doesn't push people.

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The successful troll operates by revealing what other people are really thinking, not himself. You think the casual and midcore content is challenging? Why not say so? Or, perhaps, you know that he's right and don't want to argue on merit? Because we know the facts are on his side. We know that millions of people started playing FFXIV since 2021 (many of them did not stay). We know that Yoshi-P demanded jobs become more simplified, because he said so. We know that boss hitboxes have gotten bigger to allow for max melee. And we know that "toxic positivity" has been discussed ad nauseam on here and elsewhere. He's not making any of this up.

So what's really going on here? Are you upset at the truth of what's happening to the game? Would you like to pretend otherwise? Why not do so and have everyone evaluate that, instead of mocking the OP? Perhaps people like you are exactly what he's referring to.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Given the OP has one maxed out combat job and the rest all gathering and crafting, he's more than likely just another gil farming sockpuppet who's trolling the forum on a throwaway account.

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If a troll can make a better argument than a regular person, then does that reflect upon the troll's abilities or yours?

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

If a troll can make a better argument than a regular person, then does that reflect upon the troll's abilities or yours?

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I haven't even bothered to make an argument in this thread. It's just bottom-barrel baiting and you're falling for it as hard as anyone. I'm just having a laugh at it all.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Imagine being salty that crafting is more accessible.

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Crafting was always accessible.

You just had to get off your ass and put some effort into it.

The game is so dumbed down that any sense of accomplishment is slowly drained out of every activity.

I mean, the thread you linked saying Dead Ends was too hard ALSO has "hunky" in their character name. That's, uh... a real interesting coincidence.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

I haven't even bothered to make an argument in this thread. It's just bottom-barrel baiting and you're falling for it as hard as anyone. I'm just having a laugh at it all.

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"Words were another sword for the man who wielded them well"

Not a man but I know you well enough that if it came to words...you would be spitting out straight up planet busting nukes.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

Crafting was always accessible.

You just had to get off your ass and put some effort into it.

The game is so dumbed down that any sense of accomplishment is slowly drained out of every activity.

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Lmao ikr. Crafting doesnt test reaction time. It doesn't even test strategic thinking when you can just follow guides and macros. But it still had depth for people who want to play with mechanics like Whistle. And it rewarded people who put in the effort.

FF14 today is like a welfare state gone wrong where everyone is just handed free 90 crafters.