Sometimes, you just want a good 'ol grind

Tonight I just sat down and gathered (and hunted) for every crafting material needed for every single craft that it'll take to make all the tools to crystal.
I'm not sure when I'll sit down and DO the crafting, but I'm ready (including, I think, enough materials to get the 7,000 white scrip I'll need).

Of the 8 crafting tools, the weaver tool is the one that was the most pain to gather for.

40 monster drops in the first, 120 monster drops in the second, with the second monster drop being rather rare.

Good news! If you want a grind, almost every other game on the market offers one.

Personally if I find myself out of things to do in the game, I simply do something else than playing the game. It's pretty weird to be unable to figure something else to do than playing ffxiv and needing a grind to tide you over instead. A game that can be actually played casually and doesn't require to self lobotomize and embark into a grind is refreshing imo.

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

Tonight I just sat down and gathered (and hunted) for every crafting material needed for every single craft that it'll take to make all the tools to crystal.
I'm not sure when I'll sit down and DO the crafting, but I'm ready (including, I think, enough materials to get the 7,000 white scrip I'll need).

Of the 8 crafting tools, the weaver tool is the one that was the most pain to gather for.

40 monster drops in the first, 120 monster drops in the second, with the second monster drop being rather rare.

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Not that it helps you since you already did it, but you can get things like fur and leathers from bicolor gemstones in the expansions since they were introduced.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Yeah I didn't find fishing too hard. Just painful to watch scrips melt away on the !! fish.

Grats, Gemina! Onward to the relic grind!

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Thank you! No relic grind for me right now though. After grinding out so many scrips for two weeks I needed to jump over to something different to avoid burnout. Plus, I depleted all my resources for churning out collectables for white scrips. I shifted my focus back onto PvE and completing Sophia Unreal and Rubicante EX. However, I did start putting the new gear to work with gathering pure glioaethers and crafting the expert recipes so I can make a Smaller Otter Water Fountain for my house. I also crafted some i610 gear for my alt jobs that badly needed upgrades. Oh, and food too. I really enjoy crafting food recipes for some reason.

Funny thing about the scrip grinding though is that I was really enjoying gathering from node to node for collectables for gatherer purple scrips, but took the recommended spear fishing route in La Noscea for Earthbreak Aethersand to save some time. I like it so much that I went back to it to get the materia X's I needed for melds, and I still do it to cap those scrips out instead of Custom Deliveries which I always apply towards crafting scrips. What can I say? It's fun for me xD

Anywho, for those who are either doing this grind or pursuing the relic I do wish you guys good luck and happy grinding. I did do the DoL/DoH relic grind in ShB for my specialists and FSH, and will likely do the same for EW. Just a little later.

If you can't look at another white scrip, a break is definitely a good idea. The relics only use white scrips and we have to buy the base versions after the first quest. Plus an item we used for crafting along with our normal materials and bait for fishing.

I was kind of hoping the second half would use purple so things were a bit more even.

Just have my BTN to finish and then done until the next step.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Not that it helps you since you already did it, but you can get things like fur and leathers from bicolor gemstones in the expansions since they were introduced.

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You think I wanted to spend about 750 bicolour gemstones on monster drops? That's what, 4 or 5 HOURS of fates? The monsters took me 2 hours.

That wasn't an oversight, that was an intentional choice.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

If you can't look at another white scrip, a break is definitely a good idea. The relics only use white scrips and we have to buy the base versions after the first quest.

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Carpenter is nice for making the white scip, both ingredients of it's top white item are from the same place (thul), and it has no monster drops.

Course I've gotten the achivements for gathering with botanist now in endwalker, I'm hoping there's one where all bits are mining bits so I can settle into a nice grind and get those achivements.

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

Carpenter is nice for making the white scip, both ingredients of it's top white item are from the same place (thul), and it has no monster drops.

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Yeah the armillae are my go-to for white scrips. Pancakes and draught also work well if you run out of the other mats.

Best return on monster drops if you want to maintain stores for crafting is a hunting retainer. And it sounds like you got lucky on monster drops because I've had some take a lot longer than 2 hours when I had to go that route.

Wait a second let's see q in takes few seconds to a min even as tank, typical run on fast is around 6-7mins 60 mins in a hour
10 dungeon a hour 24 hours in day.. So if you run dungeon 6min speed constantly that is around 240 dungeon a day if ur up from 00:00 to 24:00 which is possible... So maybe you could make up a good grind

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

You think I wanted to spend about 750 bicolour gemstones on monster drops? That's what, 4 or 5 HOURS of fates? The monsters took me 2 hours.

That wasn't an oversight, that was an intentional choice.



Carpenter is nice for making the white scip, both ingredients of it's top white item are from the same place (thul), and it has no monster drops.

Course I've gotten the achivements for gathering with botanist now in endwalker, I'm hoping there's one where all bits are mining bits so I can settle into a nice grind and get those achivements.

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Out of curiosity, which mob drops are required for the relic grind? I think I'll start sending my retainer after them if I can so I will have plenty on hand for whenever I decide to do one or more relics.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Out of curiosity, which mob drops are required for the relic grind? I think I'll start sending my retainer after them if I can so I will have plenty on hand for whenever I decide to do one or more relics.

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Send them out for Almasty Fur, Ophiotauros Hide, and Petalouda Scales and you'll be covered

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Yeah the armillae are my go-to for white scrips. Pancakes and draught also work well if you run out of the other mats.

Best return on monster drops if you want to maintain stores for crafting is a hunting retainer. And it sounds like you got lucky on monster drops because I've had some take a lot longer than 2 hours when I had to go that route.

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Trick was finding the best path through the places they spawned and keeping my DPS high to rapidly take them out, and perhaps a lot of luck.

So today I finished the offhand greens and I'm making the HQ materials needed to make the crystal items.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Send them out for Almasty Fur, Ophiotauros Hide, and Petalouda Scales and you'll be covered

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Will do. Thanks!

Okay, there we go. That's all crystal tools, just in time for them to announce the next step.

That brings all my crafters to 620 (and my gathers WOULD all be 620 except, well, you know, fisher), so back to the previous crafting grind.

Diadem and Firmament.

I'm slowly gathering tier 2 materials, eventually I will get enough to craft 100 tier 2 expert with each class, and then move on to the NEXT set of achivements.

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

Okay, there we go. That's all crystal tools, just in time for them to announce the next step.

That brings all my crafters to 620 (and my gathers WOULD all be 620 except, well, you know, fisher), so back to the previous crafting grind.

Diadem and Firmament.

I'm slowly gathering tier 2 materials, eventually I will get enough to craft 100 tier 2 expert with each class, and then move on to the NEXT set of achivements.

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Kind of funny for me how little I've touched Firmament. I was already maxed when it came out so didn't need it for leveling and never got into the leaderboard thing when it was current. It's on my list to get back to sometime. Once I finish wasting all my time on the Pagos relic light grind.

I do all my grinding in the Quicksand!

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

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*CHEERJUMP*

I'm very slowly collecting the stage 2 artisan items needed to make my stage 2 expert.

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

*CHEERJUMP*

I'm very slowly collecting the stage 2 artisan items needed to make my stage 2 expert.

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Press on! It's a really awesome feeling to get all of these at last. It's my first expansion being capable enough to make these.
Best of luck friend!

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

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Congratulations! \o/

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Finished the last stage 2 hildi today, so that's all the new tools and all the new hildis. Did the tools from scratch. Did the tomestones from roulettes + the occasional troia. I could have finished the weapons faster if I did hunts, but I had a poor experience with that so I avoid those from now on.

Guess I can get back to work on finishing my first HW Relic. I don't think it'll be too bad since I never used most of my HW BT currency and I got to use that to basically skip the anima step.

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

*CHEERJUMP*

I'm very slowly collecting the stage 2 artisan items needed to make my stage 2 expert.

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Congratulations!

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

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Finished the last stage 2 hildi today, so that's all the new tools and all the new hildis. Did the tools from scratch. Did the tomestones from roulettes + the occasional troia. I could have finished the weapons faster if I did hunts, but I had a poor experience with that so I avoid those from now on.

Guess I can get back to work on finishing my first HW Relic. I don't think it'll be too bad since I never used most of my HW BT currency and I got to use that to basically skip the anima step.

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Congratulations! I'm 4 from finishing off my Amazing Mandervilles myself.

If you're working on relics, ffxivrelictracker.com is a fantastic resource. It helps you keep track of items you need and has links to the quests involved.

Also this site for anima, and there are links to all the others

https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Anima_Weapons

Light farming might be a little tricky on certain classes if you use A9S since you need to use your weapon (at least on the main boss) but it's doable solo. And a cinch if you have a friend or two.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Congratulations! I'm 4 from finishing off my Amazing Mandervilles myself.

If you're working on relics, ffxivrelictracker.com is a fantastic resource. It helps you keep track of items you need and has links to the quests involved.

Also this site for anima, and there are links to all the others

https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Anima_Weapons

Light farming might be a little tricky on certain classes if you use A9S since you need to use your weapon (at least on the main boss) but it's doable solo. And a cinch if you have a friend or two.

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Oh that's neat. I didn't really have much trouble planning it out.

Well I'm working on the WAR relic so it'll be fine solo. Just currently deciding if I want to bother farming poetics or just wait for dailies. Also trying to decide whether ARF or Paglth'an would be faster since ARF is ilvl synced.

I really, really didn't plan ahead for this, but I guess the good news is that like my ARR relic, once I finish this I'll know what to prep ahead of time.

I want to get all of the ARR/HW Relics eventually. Might also do SkySteel sometime too.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

Oh that's neat. I didn't really have much trouble planning it out.

Well I'm working on the WAR relic so it'll be fine solo. Just currently deciding if I want to bother farming poetics or just wait for dailies. Also trying to decide whether ARF or Paglth'an would be faster since ARF is ilvl synced.

I really, really didn't plan ahead for this, but I guess the good news is that like my ARR relic, once I finish this I'll know what to prep ahead of time.

I want to get all of the ARR/HW Relics eventually. Might also do SkySteel sometime too.

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I've gone back to suffering through Eureka because I want all my relics, too. Zetas are done, anima has 4 left, resistance has far too many to count stuck on the timeworn step, and not a single Eureka completed. Then I look at the crystal requirements and just want to cry. The FATE train is so so so so boring.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

I've gone back to suffering through Eureka because I want all my relics, too. Zetas are done, anima has 4 left, resistance has far too many to count stuck on the timeworn step, and not a single Eureka completed. Then I look at the crystal requirements and just want to cry. The FATE train is so so so so boring.

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I'm still doing Eureka weekly and trying to level up. I feel like once I do that I'll actually be able to work on the relics there much easier.

I finished the HW relic though.

I think I've learned my lesson at this point. These things absolutely need to be prepped ahead of time when it involves the poetics or other time gated items like the Alexandrite/Singing Clusters/Umbrite, and it wouldn't hurt to have the items you buy for seals stock piled too. I'm kind of happy I found something to use my White Gatherers' scrips on though since I can dump those into tokens to buy the Crystal Sand.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

I'm still doing Eureka weekly and trying to level up. I feel like once I do that I'll actually be able to work on the relics there much easier.

I finished the HW relic though.

I think I've learned my lesson at this point. These things absolutely need to be prepped ahead of time when it involves the poetics or other time gated items like the Alexandrite/Singing Clusters/Umbrite, and it wouldn't hurt to have the items you buy for seals stock piled too. I'm kind of happy I found something to use my White Gatherers' scrips on though since I can dump those into tokens to buy the Crystal Sand.

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Yep. When I was still working on ARR relics and before the steps where I needed poetics, I would stock up on the HW items I would need.

I've got one more Anemos left and then it's on to Pagos. I have a single Elemental weapon and that's the farthest I've gotten. So lots of FATE farming and light gathering in my future.

Bringing this thread up again to post this... I finished all my EW relics so far

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The Mandervilles took me around 19 days for both steps, since I finished EW MSQ after 6.35 dropped so I had to play catch up, where as the Splendorous tools took 3 days in all, 2 for Crafters and 1 for Gatherers, it was nice grind for both, and led to me develop an enjoyment of Hunt trains.

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

Bringing this thread up again to post this... I finished all my EW relics so far

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The Mandervilles took me around 19 days for both steps, since I finished EW MSQ after 6.35 dropped so I had to play catch up, where as the Splendorous tools took 3 days in all, 2 for Crafters and 1 for Gatherers, it was nice grind for both, and led to me develop an enjoyment of Hunt trains.

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Grats! I got my last Amazing a few days ago so I've been able to chill on roulettes and not feel I had to hit them so often.

I finished my Anemos relics and have been trying to hit Pagos NMs. I never liked Pagos in the first place but it's so much less friendly than Anemos. There's a lot more instance hopping and people who just AFK at the cash NMs while others spawn it so they can instant pull and then bail. I've never seen more than about 30ish people or so even on eastern prime time on Aether. And I shout for groups but never get one or try to start my own and get no takers. From what I've seen from leveling through Pyros and now that I'm in Hydatos, they seem to work similarly though I haven't hit the NM scene as heavily in those since I'm stuck in Pagos for that step.

SE needs to lower the crystal requirements or allow more methods of obtaining because outside of Anemos the zones don't seem to have NMs spawned and focused on a consistent enough basis for the crystals required. I've seen so many zones be active for a few NMs and then just completely die off. I want a bit more than just tomestone grinding with Mandervilles, but I'm glad they didn't bring the Eureka style back. It's not future proofed at all. At least Bozja does have some future proofing built in.

I like how they removed the relic grind because they thought people hated the grind and not the fact that it was just how Eureka/Bozja needed QoL features like not having CLL be COMPLETELY RANDOM AND SCREWING YOU OVER IF YOU DON'T HAVE SEVERAL HOURS TO WASTE IDLING.

"You guys got mad at the grind" no we got mad at de-leveling and the fact that you kept making us run antitower or having to do the stupid kettle light collecting AGAIN even though it was the most despised portion of the OG ARR relic grind.

Just fix it! Don't abandon it because you got a little bruised from the critique just FIX IT.

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Originally Posted by Denji

I like how they removed the relic grind because they thought people hated the grind and not the fact that it was just how Eureka/Bozja needed QoL features like not having CLL be COMPLETELY RANDOM AND SCREWING YOU OVER IF YOU DON'T HAVE SEVERAL HOURS TO WASTE IDLING.

"You guys got mad at the grind" no we got mad at de-leveling and the fact that you kept making us run antitower or having to do the stupid kettle light collecting AGAIN even though it was the most despised portion of the OG ARR relic grind.

Just fix it! Don't abandon it because you got a little bruised from the critique just FIX IT.

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I think it was good not to tie the relic to zones with a definite shelf life. They can still make the adventure zone content. Just let it stand on its own feet as what it is. And let the relic questline utilize that area as a possible option, so those who like that content can get updates there, but still have other options for those who don't like that content. I've seen the argument made that they are doing exactly that with the tomestones and that is true. But that seems a little too broad. A handful of specific choices that have a good spread for a given step would be ideal. Kind of like how WT behaves.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

I think it was good not to tie the relic to zones with a definite shelf life. They can still make the adventure zone content. Just let it stand on its own feet as what it is. And let the relic questline utilize that area as a possible option, so those who like that content can get updates there, but still have other options for those who don't like that content. I've seen the argument made that they are doing exactly that with the tomestones and that is true. But that seems a little too broad. A handful of specific choices that have a good spread for a given step would be ideal. Kind of like how WT behaves.

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I agree with this.

I do enjoy Eureka and Bozja in some ways, but in addition to the faults the content had on release, it also has the fault of being on a time limit. I will never get to experience either of them as content at their best because they're both older optional zones. The relics if anything are what keeps those zones alive in a lot of ways.

I know a lot of the older generation hates the idea of "turning their MMO into a single player game" but that's not really what I'm hinting at. I'm more so saying that developers need to add fail safes to older content that is super group orientated. I know even more people are going to laugh, saying that only current content matters and that if you care so much about older content it's your responsibility to find other willing players for it but... I mean really? It's a game, not a job, and finding players for older content sometimes feels like one, especially when half the players who join you are doing it as charity work or out of pity. It's the developers job to ensure that content is still playable in a similar fashion to how it was intended to be on release when the content was more active, because if they can't do that then they really may as well just delete the content.