Time to Remove Ward FC/Individual Restrictions

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

Agreed. But as I just said in another reply, there will never be a perfect solution. As far as new FCs being locked out, I would hope that the FC only wards are protected to some degree to prevent that from happening. To be fair, I don't think private only wards should even exist. I think it should be hybird OR FC. But that's another topic. As far as a solution to new FCs being locked out-- on my server I have noticed that demolishing has opened up some availability per bidding round. Maybe new FCs could get some kind of priority queue based on new availability that happens in the middle of a bidding period instead of shuffling those new lots directly to bidders. And you may say "Well then all the new plots that open up will go to FCs" -- ok. Well at least then every ward will be full and everyone will have fair shot. At worst, both new FCs and private buyers will be waiting in that case.

This issue I have with several posts going on is you guys are relying on a theoretical that we are not observing currently. And no, no solution will be perfect because there are too many private buyers. Hence why I am suggesting why don't we figure out some way to get more private buyers in houses and then, as I said, worry about who is waiting. It doesn't matter if it's 5% or 10% more private buying opportunity, any % is better than current despite the fact new lots will be filled faster than we can blink.

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Except fcs SHOULD have priority because they have more players than personal housing, private buyers should wait, not fcs, private buyers are one person, fcs are multiple

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

It already is balanced in favor of private buyers, the fc wards are only 7 (1 to 6) and ward 30 for fc only, that makes it 7 wards out of 30 are fc only, the rest is hybrid or personal only. And as the post you quoted said, those houses will fill in a single round, it's not a solution.

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That's because they already converted a whole lot of those FC-only wards to allow private buyers as well, because there weren't any FCs buying those plots after months. When Empyreum released 18 out of 24 wards were FC only, this was retroactively applied to all housing districts and then had to be changed again, turns out there aren't actually that many FCs that wanted a plot.

It also just gave rise to a massive amount of 1 person FCs because why would I compete with 30+ people per private plot when I can just make an FC and easily get one in the exclusive wards?

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

That's because they already converted a whole lot of those FC-only wards to allow private buyers as well, because there weren't any FCs buying those plots after months. When Empyreum released 18 out of 24 wards were FC only, this was retroactively applied to all housing districts and then had to be changed again, turns out there aren't actually that many FCs that wanted a plot.

It also just gave rise to a massive amount of 1 person FCs because why would I compete with 30+ people per private plot when I can just make an FC and easily get one in the exclusive wards?

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In a way, we can see this as an effort made by the developers to "encourage" social interactions between players through the need for more FCs to be made :)
At least that's one way of looking at the problem...

I think they should have created instanced housing within the island. The island area is already instantiated anyway and would at least partially reduce this problem. But, I think they will continue to encourage social interactions by forcing people to have FCs before they have houses xD (yep, i'm just kidding). I really can't see how and what they could do to fix the problem.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

I "defend" FC only wards ? What ?

All I said is that it's nice to not have wards be overloaded with paissas carbuncles chocobos and gingerbreads, and not opening to personal does just that, apparently you took it to heart for some reason, not sure what to tell you

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My FC on Excalibur had a Moogle house for a very long time.

Large one, too.

FCs are not immune to goofy houses. Mine's the florist shop.

https://frinkiac.com/gif/S01E02/7978...lPVSBET04nVC4=

I think this is something the team would have to look at individually, world by world rather than a sweeping game change.

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Originally Posted by Imora

My FC on Excalibur had a Moogle house for a very long time.

Large one, too.

FCs are not immune to goofy houses. Mine's the florist shop.

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The florist shop one is very cute though especially in LB,but it also fits in other areas.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

The florist shop one is very cute though especially in LB,but it also fits in other areas.

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It's in Shiro.

And if you want to go on about houses, the bright cherry pink Shiro houses in Empy are tackier than even the paissa house to me.

That said, I'm using the new bathhouse walls.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

turns out there aren't actually that many FCs that wanted a plot.

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That want a small plot. Considering my neighbor is sitting on a personal large that he does nothing with (said he got it just because he could), I am cool with FCs having a bit of protection for a few months until things balance out. There are so many indiv buyers out there. Of course I am also on Mateus, so empty wards on other DCs leave me gobsmacked.

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Originally Posted by winter_rose

That want a small plot. Considering my neighbor is sitting on a personal large that he does nothing with (said he got it just because he could), I am cool with FCs having a bit of protection for a few months until things balance out. There are so many indiv buyers out there. Of course I am also on Mateus, so empty wards on other DCs leave me gobsmacked.

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Then they should make wards with special, different restrictions, with only medium and large houses that are restricted to FCs only.

One per account per server. I'd go so far as restrict to so that those with multiple accounts can't do it.

FC must have X amount of people in it. X being subjective, but definitely not 4 low level alts.

Anything to prevent people from hogging the entire ward.

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Originally Posted by Imora

Then they should make wards with special, different restrictions, with only medium and large houses that are restricted to FCs only.

One per account per server. I'd go so far as restrict to so that those with multiple accounts can't do it.

FC must have X amount of people in it. X being subjective, but definitely not 4 low level alts.

Anything to prevent people from hogging the entire ward.

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People who don't want to be in a large FC shouldn't be punished for that nor should they be forced to socialize with people they don't want to for the sake of a house. People who suggest this just bring jealousy as a motivator to my mind since it feels like they want everyone else to be in the same boat as them since they cant/won't leave their own FC. People who have a small friend group have the same right to own a house as those with a large one.

Also, I had a thought. If we drop ward restrictions, wouldn't the problem just be worse since instead of only having private buyers in one ward and FC buyers in another, you'd have both colliding to bid on houses in the same ward, i.e. providing more competition?

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

People who don't want to be in a large FC shouldn't be punished for that nor should they be forced to socialize with people they don't want to for the sake of a house. People who suggest this just bring jealousy as a motivator to my mind since it feels like they want everyone else to be in the same boat as them since they cant/won't leave their own FC. People who have a small friend group have the same right to own a house as those with a large one.

Also, I had a thought. If we drop ward restrictions, wouldn't the problem just be worse since instead of only having private buyers in one ward and FC buyers in another, you'd have both colliding to bid on houses in the same ward, i.e. providing more competition?

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It was a suggestion based on the fact that people are making shell FCs to get personal houses, which should not be a case if they make a ward for FCs only with larger houses in it.

My FC has a medium house and I have a small that I'm quite pleased with, so there's no jealousy here. Only serious suggestions.

It's time to update housing. I lost the most recent lottery to an FC. Given the context of this discussion this is ridiculous. My world has tons of vacant 0 bid houses for FCs. Something needs to change. I would rather have no hope than some hope in a system that makes no sense.

And it is an FC not a private buyer who made an FC just to get a Sm house.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Except fcs SHOULD have priority because they have more players than personal housing, private buyers should wait, not fcs, private buyers are one person, fcs are multiple

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This is a non response. I have already outlined a strategy that would still give your theoretical onslaught on new FCs (that we have not observed for months) a way to access housing (by demolishings) or even in worst cases an extra FC exclusive ward could be added. Yes this may result in some waiting but you're taking about waiting days (demo houses open up next period) and depending on how long the queue grows weeks to months. Private buyers are waiting exponentially longer than that while houses simply aren't being bid on. You are here posting, another period has gone by, I still see wards and wards of unused fc houses and even open spots all the time due to demolishings.

Please tell us when the current model is going to work. Because it doesn't work. All I see is resistance to models that would work because you seemingly just don't want more people to have houses. You want the most people waiting all the time just in case some exponential and unlikely uptick in fc house requests occurs. As I just learned in my own lottery-- FCs have plenty of options and don't want them (presumably bc their own neighborhoods are less populated in some cases). What we are doing makes no sense. Not only are FCs not bidding on their houses, they're bidding on hybrid wards first.

You're also not accounting for the myriad players ITT and that I know personally who double dip and have their FC house and personal house. You're claiming it's about number of players when it isn't. It's just about owning the property. Players do not care about efficiency or fairness.

Everyone grab your pretzels and carrot sticks because its time for me to repeat these magic words that will solve all of our problems. Clap your hands together and say it with me, ready on 3? One ,two and three!

"Instanced Housing"

Very good!! Im so proud of all of you :)

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Everyone grab your pretzels and carrot sticks because its time for me to repeat these magic words that will solve all of our problems. Clap your hands together and say it with me, ready on 3? One ,two and three!

"Instanced Housing"

Very good!! Im so proud of all of you :)

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Why not have both options?

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

Why not have both options?

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I would like both for sure, just please add in Instanced Housing so everyone can have access to this content.

Another way to ease demand for people who want a house for spacing purposes is to perhaps introduce two floor apartments. You wouldn't have a yard or exterior but I assume some people don't care about that.

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

Another way to ease demand for people who want a house for spacing purposes is to perhaps introduce two floor apartments. You wouldn't have a yard or exterior but I assume some people don't care about that.

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Actually they do, since you dont have access to a gardening that way.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Actually they do, since you dont have access to a gardening that way.

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Technically you just need to unlock Island Sanctuary for that now. They're going to allow IS plots to work with non-IS crops iirc

So two-story apartments could work.

*w* more space to decorate too... Though I wonder if they'd increase furniture space too.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Technically you just need to unlock Island Sanctuary for that now. They're going to allow IS plots to work with non-IS crops iirc

So two-story apartments could work.

*w* more space to decorate too... Though I wonder if they'd increase furniture space too.

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We still have no clue what they mean about gardening in a future IS update since they were being pretty vague about it. Its possible they do mean to just copy the feature into IS which would be great but for now we can only speculate

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Actually they do, since you dont have access to a gardening that way.

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But there have to be SOME players who don't care about the exterior. That's my whole point. Obviously it wouldn't work for people who want gardening or outdoor furnishing etc but for people who are just into decorating house sized spaces it would be appealing.

And under these conditions imo SE should be doing more, anything they can, to get the demand for housing satisfied. Don't see what's so hard about making a percent of apartments two floors and a bit pricier.