Separate Au Ra horns from Face

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

While this is something I wholeheartedly support, I wonder how feasible it is, I wonder if the horns are baked onto the model in such a way that separating them would be too much... I mean we still have one and a half incomplete races in the game.

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No more feasible as it is to giving viera & hrothgar copy+paste hairs & fixing hroth ears

It be nice to have an option to pick the horns you want and a slider on the size of the horns.

i think we just need a character creation overhaul that allows more customization, esp with features across faces TvT
including au'ra having whatever horns they want on whichever face
and the eyes they want on whichever face
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nose
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face texture..........???? looks at highlanders
and just everything ig

The day this will come, fem face 3 will rule the world.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

The entire character creator could use an overhaul at this point though.

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It's incredibly dated; probably one of the more outdated ones in an MMO but I can't speak for 100% certainty.
I know WoW is updating their character options & GW2 certainly has to a degree

It would be nice if FFXIV would catch up

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

It's incredibly dated; probably one of the more outdated ones in an MMO but I can't speak for 100% certainty.
I know WoW is updating their character options & GW2 certainly has to a degree

It would be nice if FFXIV would catch up

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WoW started updating theirs a while ago and they are still making regular additions to it. At this point the amount of available options is far and above anything the FF XIV CC has.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

WoW started updating theirs a while ago and they are still making regular additions to it. At this point the amount of available options is far and above anything the FF XIV CC has.

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Even better is you can more or less redesign your character, with the exception of changing race, from the in game barber shop without using real money.

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Originally Posted by Amenara

Even better is you can more or less redesign your character, with the exception of changing race, from the in game barber shop without using real money.

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I wonder if they ever actually would (even if they could), since fantasias are most definitely their biggest earner.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I wonder if they ever actually would (even if they could), since fantasias are most definitely their biggest earner.

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Who knows. They may say it's not possible and then figure it out later or have the resources to do it later at least. But like you said, I'm pretty sure fantasias earn them quite a bit of extra income and why change the system if people are already using it.

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

The reason tails can be customized more than horns is likely because Au Ra are piggybacking off of the system that was already in place for Miqos, in fact I do believe Yugiri originally used a modified Miqo model initially because she was introduced before Au Ra were in the game, so it is probably less that they "take precedent", and more "it was easy to make this part work, the other part... not so much...".

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Yep, Yugiri's model was a Miqo first before the Auri were finished (which is why she wasn't unmasked until 2.5 or whatever). iirc the horns being baked into faces was limitations on going hogwild with character creation and strains on systems loading everyone's character, but that was likely a ps3 limitation if I'm remembering. Especially in crowded areas, I can imagine some older systems or a ps3 really chugging along trying to load stuff, but with updated systems and such, it shouldn't be as big of a problem now.. hopefully if/when they upgrade character creation this can be addressed. I don't expect kmmo in-depth character creation, but I'd like more colours to play with, more face options, stuff like that. Maybe even the ability to have face makeup AND tattoos instead of choosing one or the other.

New graphic update in patch 70 does it give more face choice? Like Highland with eyebrow and Mildland with male face and Roedyne with Garlemalding Third Eye. Floating horn aura it is good idea.

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Originally Posted by Graeham

New graphic update in patch 70 does it give more face choice? Like Highland with eyebrow and Mildland with male face and Roedyne with Garlemalding Third Eye. Floating horn aura it is good idea.

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Nowhere have they said they'd be adding more customization options. Should just be a literal graphical update and nothing else beyond that. They always make it seem like their servers start self destructing at the mere mention of adding more character customization options. So I'm definitely not expecting more, though especially in this day and age the character creator we have is pitiful.

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Originally Posted by Graeham

New graphic update in patch 70 does it give more face choice? Like Highland with eyebrow and Mildland with male face and Roedyne with Garlemalding Third Eye. Floating horn aura it is good idea.

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It won't give us more face choices unless Yoshi-P has said so specifically.
Currently, I can't find anything of him mentioning an updated character creator & only a graphical upgrade that will be limited to PS5 users at 1st.
They won't be adding new customization options unless we ask for them. This is why people use mods because everyone has asked for updates to their characters for years & nothing has happened.

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Originally Posted by rainichan

Yep, Yugiri's model was a Miqo first before the Auri were finished (which is why she wasn't unmasked until 2.5 or whatever). iirc the horns being baked into faces was limitations on going hogwild with character creation and strains on systems loading everyone's character, but that was likely a ps3 limitation if I'm remembering. Especially in crowded areas, I can imagine some older systems or a ps3 really chugging along trying to load stuff, but with updated systems and such, it shouldn't be as big of a problem now.. hopefully if/when they upgrade character creation this can be addressed. I don't expect kmmo in-depth character creation, but I'd like more colours to play with, more face options, stuff like that. Maybe even the ability to have face makeup AND tattoos instead of choosing one or the other.

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This is on point
I also don't expect like black deserts model of character creator but they keep releasing & adding new things to NPCs & where are player characters updates?
I'm not going to "Hope" Yoshi-P gets a wild hair up his butt & just starts adding stuff we have asked for for years, unless he says so specifically- we have to keep threads like this updated & relevant

i would love if au ra would be able to change horns, was thinking about fantaing to an au ra but felt like they lacked customization.. im attached to my character but i dont like her default resting pose! wish she could stand like an au ra. T_T

I'd love if Au Ra could get to cover their full body (except face, maybe face too for people who want it?) with the scales.

We're talking chest, arms, and legs, basically up to neck. Maybe make it a toggle for each body part like Arm 1/2, Leg 1/2, Chest (current)/Full.

I support this. When I made my Mari alt I made an Au Ra since I didn't have one yet. I found something that worked but I really wanted the horns that go back. Would be very nice to be able to put those two pieces together the way you prefer. I imagine it probably is baked into the model, though.

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Originally Posted by Caddo

I'd love if Au Ra could get to cover their full body (except face, maybe face too for people who want it?) with the scales.

We're talking chest, arms, and legs, basically up to neck. Maybe make it a toggle for each body part like Arm 1/2, Leg 1/2, Chest (current)/Full.

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Considering the limits of the system I'd say they could possibly add this in a way that allows for 4 options with 1 being the current default pattern. Other races could have a tattoo option implimented instead so they're not left out.

Personally Id like an option that gives more scale coverage to the limbs and back area, the current default scale pattern is at least to me very hit and miss, theres some mods out there that are quite impressive, would be nice if the devs yoinked them for themselves!

Just gonna come and revive this thread since I wanted to make one myself on this! I would LOVE if this was a consideration while they were working on the model updates, or even if it was just a consideration in the future.

I adore my Au Ra, I will keep her forever, but I wish we could customise the faces and horns separately. I love the fish-fin horns but by now I'm so attached to face 1 that I couldn't change her horns, since it would change her whole face. It would make Au Ra in general look a lot less unrealistic with more variety being available (Au Ra seem to feel same-face more than other races when they're together).

I love what we've seen of the new Au Ra in the graphic update - the scales and horns look SO much better - and being able to have that little more customisation would be the icing on the cake.

Yes please. Really nothing more to add.

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Originally Posted by Tehmon

We are lucky if we get any substantial upgrades in 7.0 with the graphics overhaul, but man, I really like male aura face 2, but I really can't with it's horns, they're the worst in terms of '' how the heck is he going to sleep with those things stuck on the side of his face?! ''

That genuinely bothers me.

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which is aura(m) face2? I only have hroth faces memorized

Yes AGREED. Please make horns separate from preset like viera can choose ears.
I also want more scales colors. A couple options for each clan. With pure black as one of the options for xaela. Please just let me be a black scared xaela. I hate the blue :(

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Originally Posted by Rikizza

Yes AGREED. Please make horns separate from preset like viera can choose ears.
I also want more scales colors. A couple options for each clan. With pure black as one of the options for xaela. Please just let me be a black scared xaela. I hate the blue :(

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Cant Edit the post, ment scaled.

We need more horn and scale patterns, also female xaela not having access to black sclera and tongue make me sad. Why would you prevent racial traits from applying to both sexes aside from the fact it doesn't look "moe"? at least give me the option SE :(

Hopefully one day but I wouldn’t count on it

More face options, square enix please

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Originally Posted by AurumEnjoyer

We need more horn and scale patterns, also female xaela not having access to black sclera and tongue make me sad. Why would you prevent racial traits from applying to both sexes aside from the fact it doesn't look "moe"? at least give me the option SE :(

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Tongue? Does the makes have black tongue???

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Originally Posted by Rikizza

Tongue? Does the makes have black tongue???

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I ment males ^

Sorry, mb it's male raen that have it as seen in this twitter image https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Egk3Ks3X...jpg&name=large

Imo face 3 is the prettiest, but has the ugly af conch shell horns, it's such a pity...

https://i.imgur.com/EE5ViDo.jpg
https://i.redd.it/8stqv33tq5g91.png

I like face 3 also it is the one I have used but the horns are so large they do not look great.

It has been asked a long long time ago, and the reply was they could not do it so I doubt they will change it now and we will be stuck with them.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

People have wanted this for yeeeeeeeears. Speaking as someone who's currently happy with my horns and face, I agree with you OP. More customization options are a good thing. It would be nice to have this. There's no reason not to.
Now, because it's these forums, prepare for people who come in and tell you why you don't actually need this, or why they think it's ugly so nobody else should be allowed to have it, or why SE is simply too small and too indie to even consider it, or that there are other more pressing things for the team to deal with first (why can't they do both?). Bonus points when people who have as much knowledge about the game's programming as you or I come in to try and give a tech explanation of why some QoL feature is "not possible" only for it to get implemented a year later or something (looking at you, guy who told me overmelding couldn't be automated like it is today because of technical debt only for them to implement it; had enough of the LARPing-developer excuses tbh).

Anyway, bumping to show support even though you're literally better off screaming about this in the xiv discord or just @ing the company on twitter since nobody important checks this place.

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This feature already exists. You’d have to use of some tecnology, tho. But it’s a something that can be easily done in a couple of hours…only for pc users.

Just bumping this thread. I really wish they would allow us to choose the horns.

When Yoshi announced the race he said there would be a lot of customisation, we are still waiting lol. I am unsure how difficult it would be to implement and he was asked a long time ago but he said no. I am hoping as time goes on maybe they could do it somehow.

I mean same goes l would like the option to not have face marking on any cat girl faces

Bumping this as well because it genuinely ruins the entire racial customization for me. The face I love has horns I can't stand and so I could never even Fantasia into one for a while for fun. In many ways it feels worse than even Viera customization which was pretty limited on hairstyle selection for years (it's a lot better now so I can't really complain.) At least Viera can choose their ears regardless of face, Au ra are stuck with 4 strict looks and it makes their customization options feel very sparse, almost as sparse as Hrothgar. I know there are probably some spaghetti code reasons for why this can never happen, but it's probably my most wanted change to the entire customization section of any race.

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Originally Posted by Caro178

Bumping this as well because it genuinely ruins the entire racial customization for me. The face I love has horns I can't stand and so I could never even Fantasia into one for a while for fun. In many ways it feels worse than even Viera customization which was pretty limited on hairstyle selection for years (it's a lot better now so I can't really complain.) At least Viera can choose their ears regardless of face, Au ra are stuck with 4 strict looks and it makes their customization options feel very sparse, almost as sparse as Hrothgar. I know there are probably some spaghetti code reasons for why this can never happen, but it's probably my most wanted change to the entire customization section of any race.

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I'm hoping that giving Viera multiple options for ears when they were first developed is a sign that the devs are planning to separate Au Ra Horns from their faces in the future.

Well, only if the spaghetti code or whatever else doesn't prevent that from happening...

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Originally Posted by ronibosch

I'm hoping that giving Viera multiple options for ears when they were first developed is a sign that the devs are planning to separate Au Ra Horns from their faces in the future.

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The choices change; the number and style of choices stay the same.

Viera get to choose their ear shape, plus a length slider.

Au Ra get to choose their tail shape, plus a length slider.

As I understand it, it's because the slot that allows lalafell, elezen and viera to choose their ears is taken up by tails in the case of miqo'te and au ra (hrothgar seem to be a mess all their own). Yoshida did at one point promise they'd at least look into whether expanding customization is feasible or not, I dare to hope that turns out to be the case...

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Originally Posted by Tsiron

(hrothgar seem to be a mess all their own)

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Hrothgar tails would have to also be in the same slot as other tails. Their tangle is reassigning the hairstyle slot (with its linked colour and highlight palettes) to be used for fur pattern + colour instead. Which is why their hair had to be tied to their faces instead.

That said, as I've written in a few places, it seems like whatever trickery they used to add a hairstyle choice – apparently achieved by switching out identical faces with different hairstyles built in – sounds like it would be ideal to repurpose for allowing horn choice.

So much this, I support it as well. I don't mind the other specific customizations, even though it would be nice to have some faint gradient (like some special NPCs have) on the tips of the horns, but separating the horns from the face would be one of my happiest, small dreams for this game.

One of my favorite horns is in face 2, but I just can't bring myself to feel comfortable with it because it looks a lot like a person who bullied me throughout my teenage years, and just the memory of her is enough to make me feel uughhhh...

My favorite face is face 3, all the way, and the one I feel the most comfortable with, but I can't say I'm fond of the avocado horns at all.

Since there are no other adjustments to be made on other models (it doesn't affect hair or head gear), then I don't see why horns being separated from the face are not a thing yet. I may be wrong because I am no dev, but at least having that separation seems like it could be reasonably easy to implement, or so I hope & cope.