The next "Oh, shit its Ranjit" post...

And yet In from the cold still didn't work for many.

due to even though you are playing as your WoL. You don't have your abilities. Which would defeat the purpose of you having been slapped into a dead Garlean's body. The OP will probably also dislike the This is Thancred bit before us as well. If not more as it's not only a play as X but try and do your best Soild Snake impression.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Towards the end she got serious and didnt manage to crack our defense.

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Like I said, if the mentor judge that you can fight agaisnt 30% of their power, them getting serious is more like they have to use an extra 5% on top of that. Venat thought we can handle a 250lb bomb, and at the end she may decided to lob a 500lb bomb at us. But she's a being that can certain use a Nuke if needed. You can't be thinking that sparring match was her going full power ... do you?

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As is the fight against hades in shb.

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here is the point, the argument isn't about fighting a superior being a win. It's about it happening with good reason. Hade did completely overpower us (and the entire scion) in that fight:

- Then G'ahra showed up and literally summon an entire army of esterial warriors.
- Then we receive a power-up from Albert.
- Then we gang up on him again.
- Then the SCion use White Auracite to drain and restrain him. (The Auracite is like the DeusEx Machina against the Ascian in this game)
- Then we nuke him with the aether from all the most powerful lightwarden on the planet.

Unlike Ranjit where it go from nothing to everything with hardly any explanation or context at all.

Yes we spared against Venat but she literally uses a Limit Break that looks akin to what Ryne does in E8. Even Raubahn does something similar during our this is just for fun match back in HW. To me anyone who pops out their ultra special move and tries to get the WoL into a winded if not needing a few days of bed rest with it has moved the spar from friendly and fun to what the actual heck were you thinking territory. I think the only spar we got where it stayed 100% friendly was our spar with Lyse during SB since she didn't try to use Final Heaven on us.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

And yet In from the cold still didn't work for many.

due to even though you are playing as your WoL. You don't have your abilities. Which would defeat the purpose of you having been slapped into a dead Garlean's body. The OP will probably also dislike the This is Thancred bit before us as well. If not more as it's not only a play as X but try and do your best Soild Snake impression.

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And this is why people sometimes complain about boring msq gameplay. Because of people like you, good job

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Originally Posted by SannaR

Yes we spared against Venat but she literally uses a Limit Break that looks akin to what Ryne does in E8.

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Except at the end of EndWalker it's implied LB is Dynamis, something that is exclusively unavailable to the Ancient. The only Ancient can use it is Eledibus when he assum the role of the first WoL and tab in the emotion and hope of the common people.

So Venas wasn't limit breaking anything.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

And this is why people sometimes complain about boring msq gameplay. Because of people like you, good job

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Right because there wasn't an overwhelming clamoring for more after the first one where we played as Alphinaud. Or that about the same thing didn't happen after we played as Y'shtola, but that if they did more they'd give us a melee job. Which is probably how we got Hien. Where I feel was the first push back as the only major complaint was about the kit feeling very incomplete for the job you were rping as. I mean sure, it sucks to not have a complete skill set but then these would just get a different crowd complaining about them. It would be about needing to know a basic rotation of a job they don't main or barely ever play if they have it leveled. With those who either don't feel they have enough time to read what the skills do or just don't even do so in the first place piling ontop of it. The fact we keep on getting more of these and some with checkpoints now must mean that the devs see or hear enough praise of them to feel their worth putting in.

Now the other thing they introduced in EW I didn't mind them too much but those if they ever come back could be tweaked a bit. Ok the one with the Garlean kid can go eat a bag full of rocks. One of the few times I ever wanted to clobber a child who's helpless and in semi distress.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

Except at the end of EndWalker it's implied LB is Dynamis, something that is exclusively unavailable to the Ancient. The only Ancient can use it is Eledibus when he assum the role of the first WoL and tab in the emotion and hope of the common people.

So Venas wasn't limit breaking anything.

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Then what would you call it? As a bar does fill the Limit Break going off sound plays and if you don't have enough HP to survive it you end up dead. And afterwards you're shown to be in a winded state. Also Venat doesn't fly her self she's on her dog that's capable of flight and seems to be able to fly fairly fast Argo not her that is. Ancients can use Dynamis but it's harder for them to do so. Otherwise Hermes wouldn't have been able to create a being that's mostly made out of the stuff. The need to fly to distant plants is the main reason Meteion is made out of it for the most part. So that she and her sister can soak up any needed extra Dynamis as that's what most of space consists of.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

Right because there wasn't an overwhelming clamoring for more after the first one where we played as Alphinaud. Or that about the same thing didn't happen after we played as Y'shtola, but that if they did more they'd give us a melee job. Which is probably how we got Hien. Where I feel was the first push back as the only major complaint was about the kit feeling very incomplete for the job you were rping as. I mean sure, it sucks to not have a complete skill set but then these would just get a different crowd complaining about them. It would be about needing to know a basic rotation of a job they don't main or barely ever play if they have it leveled. With those who either don't feel they have enough time to read what the skills do or just don't even do so in the first place piling ontop of it. The fact we keep on getting more of these and some with checkpoints now must mean that the devs see or hear enough praise of them to feel their worth putting in.

Now the other thing they introduced in EW I didn't mind them too much but those if they ever come back could be tweaked a bit. Ok the one with the Garlean kid can go eat a bag full of rocks. One of the few times I ever wanted to clobber a child who's helpless and in semi distress.

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Literally no reasonable point being made here. Still going to blame you and others whom whine about scenario battles and how omg "hard" and I can already see the dev team please people like you by either taking away such quests or never bother improving. Again you are the problem for discouraging stuff like this.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

Then what would you call it?

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Uh ... a non-LB ability?

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Otherwise Hermes wouldn't have been able to create a being that's mostly made out of the stuff. The need to fly to distant plants is the main reason Meteion is made out of it for the most part. So that she and her sister can soak up any needed extra Dynamis as that's what most of space consists of.

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You seem to conflate knowledge and physical manifestation here. We're been LBing all years long way before we know about Dynamis. All Herme did was creating a being with an extreme thin aether, and that's enough to let Metion to freely use Dynamis. Human history are filled with invention people create way before understanding the science behind it. Like, you know a sponge absorb water, so you make a sponge if you want to drain water even if you have no idea why a sponge absorb water.

And saying it's difficult for the Ancient to use is severely understate it, and here you kinda conflict your own point, or rather your point conflict itself.

- If it's difficult to use ... then how and why Venat just casually use it against us in a sparring match?
- If she can just causally use Dynamis in such a non-consequence way like that, it would make no sense for the Ancient to lost the battle of the final day as bad as they did. Venat already gain and retain that knowledge, it's unthinkable she didn't try take that route if it was an option.

It's a basically a catch 22 for your argument.

Herme did not specifically create a dynamis being, he created a thin aether being, and that just happens to meet the condition for a being to use Dynamis. You made it sound like he's someone "harness Dynamis" as a material for Metion and her sisters, that's not the case. The Ancient can't use Dynamis not because they lack the knowledge, it's because being such a dense Aether being they can't just use it, period. That's one the main reasons why Venat sundered the ancient, she recognize fighting Dynamis with aether is unsustainable, and the only way to do it is making the inhabitants able to use Dynamis directly by thinning their aether concentration many fold.

I mean ... not sure what else to say here, this is the main theme and you can even assert the whole core of the story up to this point. You can only insist of Venat - as one of the most powerful ancient (which is somethign work against, not in favor of her able to use Dynamis) - casually LBing in a non-critical situation by rectoning the lore, just to make your point ...

A common issue with those instanced story fight is just that the bosses got waaaaaaay too much health. You could slash it in two and they would be fine.

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Literally no reasonable point being made here. Still going to blame you and others whom whine about scenario battles and how omg "hard" and I can already see the dev team please people like you by either taking away such quests or never bother improving. Again you are the problem for discouraging stuff like this.

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I never said I didn't like these or thought they were hard. I enjoyed all of them. The only solo instance I had trouble with was the Naadham and that's due to me trying to Unga Bunga it on whm as up until then everything was hitting me like a wet noodle and I could take on huge packs without being turned into mincemeat. Only after forcing myself to get out of that mind set did I clear it.

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I never said I didn't like these or thought they were hard. I enjoyed all of them. The only solo instance I had trouble with was the Naadham and that's due to me trying to Unga Bunga it on whm as up until then everything was hitting me like a wet noodle and I could take on huge packs without being turned into mincemeat. Only after forcing myself to get out of that mind set did I clear it.

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Ah ok my bad, I was being a little stinker with that last post then.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Literally no reasonable point being made here. Still going to blame you and others whom whine about scenario battles and how omg "hard" and I can already see the dev team please people like you by either taking away such quests or never bother improving. Again you are the problem for discouraging stuff like this.

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Good. "You" took skill ceiling from our jobs. It's only fair if "we" use your favourite weapon - incessant whining - to ruin something you enjoy. Enjoy your visual novel with no combat duties whatsoever in 7.0.

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Originally Posted by Azuri

Good. "You" took skill ceiling from our jobs. It's only fair if "we" use your favourite weapon - incessant whining - to ruin something you enjoy. Enjoy your visual novel with no combat duties whatsoever in 7.0.

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Maybe then they can finally implement dating mechanics lol

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Originally Posted by Azuri

Good. "You" took skill ceiling from our jobs. It's only fair if "we" use your favourite weapon - incessant whining - to ruin something you enjoy. Enjoy your visual novel with no combat duties whatsoever in 7.0.

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Ok, this pop up so often that I will make a pledge: can we stop with these Visual Novel non-sense please? I guess this must a STEAM thing when it makes VN more expose to mainstream, and I feel like people just casually use it as a beating stick. Like, guys, heavy cutsceen JRPG is not a new nor a rare thing. Xenosaga was a triology of 3 games came out in 2006 and it was literally a movie. Trail of Cold Steel is a series that started in 2013 that just recently had its 5th and last entry. The 5th games hasn't come out in English but you can find youtube series that have all the cutsceen in the 4th games and it'll add up to 20+ hours. And guess what? It's the most successful series NIS ever release, so much that they're going back to localize the older games of franchise while the Japanese developer already start release the next series.

And no, none of those are comparable to an actual visual novel. And I'm saying this as a person had started reading Visual novel back in the 90', and read the first tittle from TYPE-MOON (once of the biggest company in the VN scene currently) when they started out as just a doushijin writer. VN with gameplay is a very specific thing, you can go play Eien no Aselia (Aselia of the Eternal in English) if you want to see what it looks like, most of them actually very similar to the classics SRPGs on the NES back in the day.

So ...

Point 1: FF14 is no where near what an actual VN is.

Point 2: you'll be surprise at how many people enjoy that kind of games. Who know, maybe that's one of the reason why FF14 is enjoying its current success?


Those kind of games exist, and the people who enjoy them exists too!. I personally can never get into the Diablo type of game, but I would never go around ditching on those game or the people playing them.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

Ok, this pop up so often that I will make a pledge: can we stop with these Visual Novel non-sense please? I guess this must a STEAM thing when it makes VN more expose to mainstream, and I feel like people just casually use it as a beating stick. Like, guys, heavy cutsceen JRPG is not a new nor a rare thing. Xenosaga was a triology of 3 games came out in 2006 and it was literally a movie. Trail of Cold Steel is a series that started in 2013 that just recently had its 5th and last entry. The 5th games hasn't come out in English but you can find youtube series that have all the cutsceen in the 4th games and it'll add up to 20+ hours. And guess what? It's the most successful series NIS ever release, so much that they're going back to localize the older games of franchise while the Japanese developer already start release the next series.

And no, none of those are comparable to an actual visual novel. And I'm saying this as a person had started reading Visual novel back in the 90', and read the first tittle from TYPE-MOON (once of the biggest company in the VN scene currently) when they started out as just a doushijin writer. VN with gameplay is a very specific thing, you can go play Eien no Aselia (Aselia of the Eternal in English) if you want to see what it looks like, most of them actually very similar to the classics SRPGs on the NES back in the day.

So ...

Point 1: FF14 is no where near what an actual VN is.

Point 2: you'll be surprise at how many people enjoy that kind of games. Who know, maybe that's one of the reason why FF14 is enjoying its current success?


Those kind of games exist, and the people who enjoy them exists too!. I personally can never get into the Diablo type of game, but I would never go around ditching on those game or the people playing them.

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Hmmm. No.

Sorry, not sorry.

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Originally Posted by Azuri

Hmmm. No.

Sorry, not sorry.

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A man plays a story-focused MMORPG, hates story, blames everyone but himself and his choice of game for game having different priorities from other MMORPG.

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Originally Posted by Azuri

Hmmm. No.

Sorry, not sorry.

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Don't be. I already know your answer would be a no lol.

But someone just have to say it.

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A man plays a story-focused MMORPG, hates story, blames everyone but himself and his choice of game for game having different priorities from other MMORPG.

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There is a good way to tell a story in a video game.

And then there is whatever XIV is doing.

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Originally Posted by Azuri

There is a good way to tell a story in a video game.

And then there is whatever XIV is doing.

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*sigh*
you don't understand.
*sigh*
there was a bird and it was sad. The hamburger was symbolic.
*sigh*

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There is a good way to tell a story in a video game.

And then there is whatever XIV is doing.

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Yeah by going to point A to point B just like how it is with every other FF game. If were gonna start dissecting the series's formula.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Yeah by going to point A to point B just like how it is with every other FF game. If were gonna start dissecting the series's formula.

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Revival of the story hater megathread lets goooooooo!