Do the Japanese forums complain about the Viera/Hrothgar hat situation?

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Please ignore the deformed giraffe trying to derail the thread and focus. We get it, these races are easy targets for trolls and morons, don't give either the satisfaction.



Oh you mean the addition of Hrothgar ears back to hairstyles that no one asked for to begin with with a garbage texture mesh around them was a godsend? Please get real. Don't comment on crap that doesn't affect you, Deveryn. It doesn't make you sound like the intellectual you think you are.

I know you don't like people complaining. But goddamn it, there are stuff that are right to complain about. Let it be.



tbh Japanese in general isn't as aggressive as English tends to be, which is why the displeasure would look mild to us.

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Yeah. German is the opposite, to English speakers it sounds hostile even when it isn’t. Different syntax interpreted differently

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

Bro, your trolling is terrible so I wont indulge, now please go back to using that long neck to gather the fruits at the top of the tree peacefully.

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So I noticed a fun interaction between an Elezen and a Hrothgar.

https://i.imgur.com/2Zo7d6u.jpg

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Originally Posted by Conadrium

Yeah. German is the opposite, to English speakers it sounds hostile even when it isn’t. Different syntax interpreted differently

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What do you mean, I find Krankenwagen kind of cute to say :3c

not a cute reality, especially if you happen to need one, but the sound is pleasant ^^

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Originally Posted by Renalt

So I noticed a fun interaction between an Elezen and a Hrothgar.

https://i.imgur.com/2Zo7d6u.jpg

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Renalt nooooo
Fudge, I laughed much harder than I expected.

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Originally Posted by Bunnycake

Renalt nooooo
Fudge, I laughed much harder than I expected.

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Glad you liked. I post on r/shitpost stuff like that about once a week.

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Originally Posted by Vencio

-Grins & sips elegant Elezen wine-

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Bozo doesn't know he's drinking dragon blood.

Say hi to the inquisitors for me.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

Bozo doesn't know he's drinking dragon blood.

Say hi to the inquisitors for me.

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I am in no mood for quarrel thou vile agent of Celes & Kaiten cult!

Alas, it is with great affection that I must dismiss myself from the rest of these tongue talking “Felines & Rabbits” uncivilized Beast tribe folks which lacks sight & passion.

- Royal Elezen bow - my regards to your “Lalafel” imps.

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Originally Posted by Vencio

I am in no mood for quarrel thou vile agent of Celes & Kaiten cult!

Alas, it is with great affection that I must dismiss myself from the rest of these tongue talking “Felines & Rabbits” uncivilized Beast tribe folks which lacks sight & passion.

- Royal Elezen bow - my regards to your “Lalafel” imps.

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Okay heretic.

Yoshi said they were surprised when players complained about missing hrothgar ears. To me this is clear indication they haven't and don't read the forums. Or if they do they'll read only what interests them personally.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

So I noticed a fun interaction between an Elezen and a Hrothgar.

https://i.imgur.com/2Zo7d6u.jpg

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where'd you get that picture of me

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Originally Posted by Brandt_Nunh

where'd you get that picture of me

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I've no idea. That post I made is like 6 months old.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

I've no idea. That post I made is like 6 months old.

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Well, I doubt they're 6 months old o,o unless...

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

No one's saying something like Square should go back and fix pre-existing hats. But it should be expected that any new hat, especially from the cash shop, works for all races, especially if real money is involved.

Just because you don't care about your ears being cut off doesn't mean that this isn't an important issue. All races should work, period. If you don't see fixing issues with the player's character as important then your priorities are really weird.

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For me (and I insist on the "for me"): the gameplay is much more important. It affects the whole playerbase, whether you're a casual or hardcore gamer; whether you RP or not; whether you're a tank, a healer, a jack-of-all-trades or a class obsessive. It's just a matter of priority... And despite the way you end your message, it's not particularly "strange" to work by priority.

@Verdeluck, let me answer you in the same message: I can't answer you in detail about the new equipment, but I suspect it works here like in WOW? In WOW, many hats, new or old, simply removed the hair. Because the game was coded in such a way that wearing a hat was understood as a hairstyle in its own right. So the two were not compatible. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a blockage of that kind here, because as you rightly point out: otherwise it wouldn't make much sense for them to voluntarily exclude the new races.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

Glad you liked. I post on r/shitpost stuff like that about once a week.

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Honestly, you should post it again with a reference to this thread lololol

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Originally Posted by Merrigan

For me (and I insist on the "for me"): the gameplay is much more important. It affects the whole playerbase, whether you're a casual or hardcore gamer; whether you RP or not; whether you're a tank, a healer, a jack-of-all-trades or a class obsessive. It's just a matter of priority... And despite the way you end your message, it's not particularly "strange" to work by priority.

@Verdeluck, let me answer you in the same message: I can't answer you in detail about the new equipment, but I suspect it works here like in WOW? In WOW, many hats, new or old, simply removed the hair. Because the game was coded in such a way that wearing a hat was understood as a hairstyle in its own right. So the two were not compatible. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a blockage of that kind here, because as you rightly point out: otherwise it wouldn't make much sense for them to voluntarily exclude the new races.

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What an incredibly uneducated post. Do you seriously think that the artists and modelers are out here coding the encounters? No, they make the gear and model it. The gameplay and art aspects are completely separated on the development side, as they are with every game. It doesn't take away from Savage raids to have the art team spend a few more weeks actually making the headgear so viera and hroths can wear them. It doesn't take time away from the story dungeon to have the art team make crowns, masks, and hoods, headgear are already in the game and work with viera and hroths instead of another hat that's not usable. They can spend time with their art team to work on the headgear and it won't take away time from any other content because the artists are not the ones coding the encounters.

It's not some zero sum game that you have to come in here to try to tell us we should accept not having a large amount of polish that other races enjoy. The races have been out for a solid 1/4 of the life of the game at this point, and viera/hroth players have been asking the entire time for hats and headgear, as well as the all race hairs to be ported over, so there's really no excuse for any new cosmetics to be released that are incompatible. SE and the dev team choose what to make for new content, and they consistently choose to make things that don't work for 2 of the races instead of working within their limitations. That's the frustration. Also that they have the nerve to charge viera full price for about 75% of a mogstation outfit, since they can't use parts of it. If I'm paying 20 bucks, I better be able to wear every single part of that outfit.

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Originally Posted by Bunnycake

Honestly, you should post it again with a reference to this thread lololol

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Last post I mentioned the forums on was this one.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitpostXIV...ums_there_is_a

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Originally Posted by Renalt

Last post I mentioned the forums on was this one.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitpostXIV...ums_there_is_a

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Fudge, how did i missed that one. Also, I did a reverse search on that comic and from the summary I am very interested on reading it.

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Originally Posted by Bunnycake

Fudge, how did i missed that one. Also, I did a reverse search on that comic and from the summary I am very interested on reading it.

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I can't remember what thread it was but someone said something about housing not having the option for toilets so people started to give their theories why there isn't one.

My favorite was everything is Aether. Makes the most sense lore wise.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

If that was the case then why do they continue to release new gear that is incompatible patch after patch? Why do the new outfits on mogstation released 3 years after these races came out have this restriction when they cost 20 real US dollars?

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It's still happening because it wasn't just a decision to not modify old gear, but seems to have affected how they've programmed the hairstyles.

New hats can work for Viera/Hrothgar if they fully conceal the hair or don't affect it, but not if they only hide the upper half of the hair – which naturally is the majority of hats.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

It's still happening because it wasn't just a decision to not modify old gear, but seems to have affected how they've programmed the hairstyles.

New hats can work for Viera/Hrothgar if they fully conceal the hair or don't affect it, but not if they only hide the upper half of the hair – which naturally is the majority of hats.

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And with that being the case, they can make headgear that hide the hair or show all of the hair. They can work within those parameters instead of making 2 races unable to wear artifact gear and raid reward gear. Nothing says new hats have to hide part of the hair but not all of it other than the art department's stubborn decision to keep making hats that don't work with viera.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

I can't remember what thread it was but someone said something about housing not having the option for toilets so people started to give their theories why there isn't one.

My favorite was everything is Aether. Makes the most sense lore wise.

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It makes some sense, but then they have quests where you have to gather "special dirt"

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Originally Posted by Renalt

I can't remember what thread it was but someone said something about housing not having the option for toilets so people started to give their theories why there isn't one.

My favorite was everything is Aether. Makes the most sense lore wise.

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I thought we all pooped in bushes? I never do it in MY bush, just the neighbours’.

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

I thought we all pooped in bushes? I never do it in MY bush, just the neighbours’.

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I'm gonna be hard pressed to finish my box of Cocoa Puffs.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

I'm gonna be hard pressed to finish my box of Cocoa Puffs.

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Because this is a bunny thread and bunnies do poop cocoa puffs shaped poop
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/XOkAA...93x/s-l400.jpg

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Originally Posted by Renalt

I'm gonna be hard pressed to finish my box of Cocoa Puffs.

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Hey, I put EXTRA love in that box, you enjoy it.
https://media.tenor.com/kSOh2rLpVQAA...iko-rabbit.gif

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

I thought we all pooped in bushes? I never do it in MY bush, just the neighbours’.

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::: opens mouth; pauses; closes mouth and walks away :::

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

What an incredibly uneducated post. Do you seriously think that the artists and modelers are out here coding the encounters? No, they make the gear and model it. The gameplay and art aspects are completely separated on the development side, as they are with every game. It doesn't take away from Savage raids to have the art team spend a few more weeks actually making the headgear so viera and hroths can wear them. It doesn't take time away from the story dungeon to have the art team make crowns, masks, and hoods, headgear are already in the game and work with viera and hroths instead of another hat that's not usable. They can spend time with their art team to work on the headgear and it won't take away time from any other content because the artists are not the ones coding the encounters.

It's not some zero sum game that you have to come in here to try to tell us we should accept not having a large amount of polish that other races enjoy. The races have been out for a solid 1/4 of the life of the game at this point, and viera/hroth players have been asking the entire time for hats and headgear, as well as the all race hairs to be ported over, so there's really no excuse for any new cosmetics to be released that are incompatible. SE and the dev team choose what to make for new content, and they consistently choose to make things that don't work for 2 of the races instead of working within their limitations. That's the frustration. Also that they have the nerve to charge viera full price for about 75% of a mogstation outfit, since they can't use parts of it. If I'm paying 20 bucks, I better be able to wear every single part of that outfit.

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Sigh.

If you had read, before rushing to answer in that dry little tone, you would surely have understood the following: I'm not saying that the same people are working on such different tasks as gameplay and glamour. Since companies are not always keen on new spending, if there is a recruitment in one department (which is obviously necessary here, otherwise the work would not be half done), it will not necessarily happen elsewhere. That's why asking for something specific can impact the development of another department, which won't get the same boost in staffing and may fall behind.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

And with that being the case, they can make headgear that hide the hair or show all of the hair. They can work within those parameters instead of making 2 races unable to wear artifact gear and raid reward gear. Nothing says new hats have to hide part of the hair but not all of it other than the art department's stubborn decision to keep making hats that don't work with viera.

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The flip side of that is that then you're implicitly asking them to never give other players "normal hats" ever again, and that's an unreasonable request. Nobody would get hats, only hoods and wimples.

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Originally Posted by Merrigan

Sigh.

If you had read, before rushing to answer in that dry little tone, you would surely have understood the following: I'm not saying that the same people are working on such different tasks as gameplay and glamour. Since companies are not always keen on new spending, if there is a recruitment in one department (which is obviously necessary here, otherwise the work would not be half done), it will not necessarily happen elsewhere. That's why asking for something specific can impact the development of another department, which won't get the same boost in staffing and may fall behind.

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I don't know why you think Square hiring a couple more people in the art/gear design department suddenly means the game design branch won't have enough people to do the same work they've already been doing.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

The flip side of that is that then you're implicitly asking them to never give other players "normal hats" ever again, and that's an unreasonable request. Nobody would get hats, only hoods and wimples.

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We can argue/discuss this till the cows come home, but at the end of the day, it's on Square, as the company running this game, to not make an entire group of players feel like second rate players. We're all playing the same game, we're all paying the same sub fee. I hate playing the "well in other MMOs..." card, but in other MMOs this would be screamed about until the devs fixed it. All players should be upset by Square cutting corners on gear appearances, yes, even miqo'te players, because this affects nearly every race, and as many players have warned, it's only going to get worse if we don't as a playerbase tell square "NO". It's quite literally already happened. If, as a miqo'te, an au ra, an elezen, or a lala, you don't care about losing racial traits because Square keeps choosing to not design hats properly, then go play a hyur, because that's basically what you're playing already.

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Originally Posted by Merrigan

Sigh.

If you had read, before rushing to answer in that dry little tone, you would surely have understood the following: I'm not saying that the same people are working on such different tasks as gameplay and glamour. Since companies are not always keen on new spending, if there is a recruitment in one department (which is obviously necessary here, otherwise the work would not be half done), it will not necessarily happen elsewhere. That's why asking for something specific can impact the development of another department, which won't get the same boost in staffing and may fall behind.

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Today I learned Square Enix is the Titanic.

Sorry DiCaprio. I know you're working on Viera ears, but this ship can only carry 100 people. You're the 101st. Either we throw you overboard or we need to throw someone else out the deck, and we sure aren't yeeting the programmers.

I assume the iceberg in this analogy is this whole topic.

:rolleyes:

You do understand that there isn't a quota to be met, yes? If they hire on the graphics department they may or may not hire elsewhere. They will hire as they see fit.

We have 1000 problems in this game and 2 races are crying because they can't get / wear hats.
Has it ever occurred to you that Yoshi and his team never intended to give hats to these two races when they created them?

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Originally Posted by Aneshda

We have 1000 problems in this game and 2 races are crying because they can't get / wear hats.
Has it ever occurred to you that Yoshi and his team never intended to give hats to these two races when they created them?

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Most likely that seems to be the case and its unfortunately very shortsighted. How can you release cosmetic items that a portion of the playerbase cant enjoy or wear? Its insulting and its a disrespect to some of their players.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Most likely that seems to be the case and its unfortunately very shortsighted. How can you release cosmetic items that a portion of the playerbase cant enjoy or wear? Its insulting and its a disrespect to some of their players.

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I don't see it as disrespect. Everyone can choose.
2 Races complains about Hats, 1 about Tails which they don't want.

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Originally Posted by Aneshda

We have 1000 problems in this game and 2 races are crying because they can't get / wear hats.
Has it ever occurred to you that Yoshi and his team never intended to give hats to these two races when they created them?

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Has it ever occurred to you there are different teams for different problems? Has it ever occurred to you we have to pay the same amount of money to get one piece less? And please for dear lord don’t come with “hur dur you dont have to play Viera”. I love the race, I pay my sub, Im not ok with getting less than everyone else. Stop making excuses for a massive company, this isnt No man’s sky.

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

Has it ever occurred to you there are different teams for different problems? Has it ever occurred to you we have to pay the same amount of money to get one piece less? And please for dear lord don’t come with “hur dur you dont have to play Viera”. I love the race, I pay my sub, Im not ok with getting less than everyone else. Stop making excuses for a massive company, this isnt No man’s sky.

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The "don't play viera then" is so funny. Yeah, give me the 20 dollars for a name change and a fantasia then SE.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

The "don't play viera then" is so funny. Yeah, give me the 20 dollars for a name change and a fantasia then.

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I really don’t get what is the problem of those people seriously xD like how the frick does it affect your donkey ears if a big company hires a few more people to *gasp* give us hats? Arguing for the sake of it I guess.

I like how they don't even put in the effort for brand new cash shop items that they are expecting you to pay 18 bucks for. Meanwhile modders have the ears turned on within hours if it releasing.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

I like how they don't even put in the effort for brand new cash shop items that they are expecting you to pay 18 bucks for. Meanwhile modders have the ears turned on within hours if it releasing.

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It's up within hours because it's datamined well in advance. Stop acting like they're gods capable of this great magic. That's their sole task for that ample space of time, so of course it's ready by the time it's released.


Since this nonsense has come up again, I'm curious how much time they actually spend on each piece.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

I like how they don't even put in the effort for brand new cash shop items that they are expecting you to pay 18 bucks for. Meanwhile modders have the ears turned on within hours if it releasing.

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Can we please stop giving independent modders that have little to no obligations on their craft such praise unlike people who have to adhere to their work schedules that can most likely do the work they do if given the go?

This is such a dumb statement, "oh if modders can-" They're not special for doing something the dev team can do themselves.

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

Has it ever occurred to you there are different teams for different problems? Has it ever occurred to you we have to pay the same amount of money to get one piece less? And please for dear lord don’t come with “hur dur you dont have to play Viera”. I love the race, I pay my sub, Im not ok with getting less than everyone else. Stop making excuses for a massive company, this isnt No man’s sky.

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Just because you choose to play Viera, it doesn't mean SE intended Hats for your Race. I pay to for this Game so gimme already my House! Cause how dare SE to create so less Wards for 20+ Million Players!