I'm not giving them a free pass on anything because they're not clearly doing the same thing as WoW. Like I said earlier, cash shops are necessary for the survival of these games. There was a time I would say necessary evil, but there's nothing to be lost by completely ignoring the store. Your claim of them hemorraging players is baseless and ignores the fact that there's more competition for people's time than there used to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raoabolic
fomo is in your head.
I have no problem defending the dailies as they serve the purpose of actually helping other players and keep the older content fresh. It's not just about getting people to login for a prize.
Could they do some things better? yes... but I'm gonna call bullshit where I see it. The idea that this cash shop is some malicious predatory entity and WoW's isn't is the biggest steaming pile.
Feeling really down about no mog gifts for Christmas
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12-04-2022, 01:27 PMDeveryn
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12-04-2022, 02:08 PMAword3213DudeQuote:
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Event is called event for a reason
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12-04-2022, 03:42 PMVelKallor
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Lets be clear, when it comes to Blizzard and FOMO, just rememberQuote:
Ion Hazzikostas said in an interview that around 2012, he was in a meeting where it was decided that going forward, the game would have less evergreen content (content that stays relevant) and a big focus towards short-term content/systems. THIS in my opinion was the likely the single WORST decision in the games development history.
Legendary cloak: WIPED OUT. ALL OF IT. Quests, scenarios, world content - obliterated.
Legendary ring: WIPED OUT. ALL OF IT. Quests, scenarios, world content - obliterated.
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12-04-2022, 04:03 PMPirateRyanGI can't wait to earn last year's FF14 Christmas cosmetics in-game this year! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by VelKallor
Or to keep my house without renewing my sub! -
12-04-2022, 10:24 PMLianaThorneTo be fair, you already can cancel your sub and keep your house since demo has been off for like a year. A friend of mine hasn't resubbed in 7 months and still has his.Quote:
Originally Posted by PirateRyanG
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12-04-2022, 10:54 PMVelKallorThe bottom line here is they will be available, which is nowhere near the same thing.Quote:
I can't wait to earn last year's FF14 Christmas cosmetics in-game this year!
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After a brief investigation, an internet user discovered that patch 9.1 has quietly removed 13 quests related to Torghast Tower, including those requiring us to find Jaina and Thrall in The Maw. The former character has also received a changed dialogue when we talk to her in the city of Oribos: the sorceress informs us that she was saved by another hero (i.e. the player character). This proves that the sudden disappearance of these quests (which are automatically marked as completed) was intentional on the part of the developers. In fact, they confirmed this in response to Lenestar's submission (via Reddit).
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It should be noted that along with these quests, events that are relevant to the storyline have also disappeared, whether in the form of cutscenes or in-game dialogues. Even if their importance is considered minimal, players see no reason why Blizzard should remove these quests entirely. To make matters worse, there was no mention of these quests in patch 9.1, as you would expect from such an important change.
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...r_new_players/
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They started doing this in BFA. War of Thornes was probably the coolest pre-patch event in the game in terms of lore and it was axed. All those dev resources wasted and if you missed it Then they deleted all Heart of Azeroth quests for Magni, getting Mother, etc. They had been catchup quests but they all got axed with each patch making the Heart of Azeroth story non-sensical if you jumped in at 8.3.
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Imagine starting WoW blind in 2021:
step 1: start a new character on a boat that crashes and you fight ogres raising a zombie dragon. Why? where is this? what were you doing? who knows!
Step 2: now bad news kid, its war, you are going off to bfa where the planets blood is a powerful crystal, why? who knows you sure dont know about the sword in silithus as you dont get the heart quest till level 40 if you even bother. Now cross these zones, maybe two max gearing up for a war.
Step 3: too bad you hit lvl.50 so forget that war, now you are going to this frozen castle you dont know to go into the afterlife which is in the sky, dont question it, to rescue people who outside jaina you have never met. Enjoy questing through these floating bowls re-meeting people you have never met and dont understand the significance of to stop sylvanas. Who? doesn’t matter if you are alliance you never met her.
Step 4: Those people you came to rescue? yeah that part was patched out they are fine NOW LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT SIGILS
That will be 15 bucks a month. Welcome to World of Warcraft in 2021. Don’t forget to preorder the sylvanas novel.
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12-04-2022, 10:59 PMVictorTheed
Sorry you're feeling down friend, hopefully you & your FC can find some way to have a secret santa party that you guys can still enjoy.
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12-05-2022, 03:09 AMRenalt
The best gift one can receive this Christmas is the gift of me. Let me know if I'm able to transfer to your server and I'll pop in and do some sit-ups and you can watch.
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12-05-2022, 04:38 AMAtelier-BagurHas anyone actually ever caught pressured of staying subbed solely for their house? Hasnt auto-demolition already been turned off for like a year now? Isnt this why available plots are extremely scarcer than usual due to this being a limited plot system?Quote:
Originally Posted by PirateRyanG
Why are people still bringing up the retention for housing? As far as I'm aware this hasnt been an issue at all.
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12-05-2022, 04:40 AMDeverynWe're getting more wards and more island features. Please look forward to it (deal with it). :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur
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12-05-2022, 05:05 AMMeowdyjSteam, google, paypal, playstation store gift cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rockette
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12-05-2022, 07:34 AMcaffe_macchiato
Some people think that Final Fantasy XIV exists to "dunk" on World of Warcraft like Digimon did to Pokemon and Android does to iPhone. To them, our identity as a game community comes in large part from "not being WoW", and yet that can change from day to day. It can come in such forms as:
- We might have to buy holiday gear like a F2P gacha game, but....World of Warcraft took some storyline quests out of the game! They're worse!
- We don't have content to grind...and that's a good thing! It lets you play some other game! WoW FORCES you to play!
- We're not as toxic in-game as WoW...because everything happens on Discord instead!
- Our story is WAY better...because you have to play through all 200 hours of it! Just like a single-player game!
Square Enix Holdings Co., Ltd. is a multi-billion dollar corporation. They pay their marketing staff a full salary, likely more than yours. No player should feel pressured to advertise for free on their behalf. It's okay to disagree with the company sometimes.
Let's just say they made one decision that was a bummer. The game isn't bad, but they did something that's a tad inconvenient. See how easy that was? -
12-05-2022, 12:28 PMRaoabolic*stares at the lackluster ending of EW*Quote:
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Nah, I would say there are parts of the game you can't talk bad about. The worst part is that they do it for free. They are worse than any marketing department. -
12-05-2022, 02:44 PMVelKallorSome?Quote:
but....World of Warcraft took some storyline quests out of the game! They're worse!
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12-05-2022, 03:13 PMkevin_satron
yeah it sucks.
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12-05-2022, 03:35 PMDeverynSomeone can actually get something useful and/or tangible with cash.Quote:
Originally Posted by kevin_satron
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12-05-2022, 03:48 PMRocketteSorry, can you elaborate? If someone is just a pc player, no steam or playstation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meowdyj
I can see Paypal gift cards seem to be US only and it doesn't look like you could gift anything from SE?
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12-05-2022, 04:41 PMDixieBellOCE
Send them $5 bank transfer and let them buy what they want, no problem there.
its 2022, not 1800's. -
12-05-2022, 06:22 PMShibiA lot of us have had problems with insane people and stalkers in the past. Generally it behooves one well not to leak your personal information too much in a game.Quote:
Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE
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12-05-2022, 08:22 PMReinhaPeople buy gifts with real money for people they don't know personally? Lol I don't even spend Gil on strangers. A good policy in hindsight, as someone I played with for 6 months asked me to buy them an 8 mil mount (I refused) and later blew up over something totally pointless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shibi
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12-05-2022, 09:22 PMMeowdyjYes gift cards in general. The best option you have to gift items from the store is people who use the steam version as you can make purchases with steam wallet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rockette
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12-05-2022, 09:38 PMSassyAssassinFunny story, I had a guy in ffxiv sending me pictures that were taken like early 2000 trying to pass that this is him *now* sure buddy, I recognise the emo clothing from back then (not proud of it) and you can check the exif file data rather easy. Be safe out there everyone, especially if you want to spend actual money on someone you only know through the game and nothing else. And yeh if you don’t trust a person enough to use the gift card on mogstation items instead whatever else then what the hell are you doing wanting to spend money on people you don’t even trust?Quote:
Originally Posted by Reinha
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12-06-2022, 04:44 AMRenaltDunno why people catfish. The other person is going to know the second they see you and starting out with a big lie isn't doing them any favors.Quote:
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12-06-2022, 04:53 AMSassyAssassinOf course, I think for them it “makes sense” in order to get what they want in the digital world since its very unlikely you’ll meet them in real life at any point so they take advantage of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renalt
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12-06-2022, 05:03 AMBurmecia
Do we have any information when/if the mogstation mounts come back as being purchaseable as gifts?
I was 100% prepared to buy the Lotus for my mount crazy friend last month. At first, when i noticed I simply can't, I thought maybe you cannot gif it because it's so new, but all the mounts are still no-go as gifts.
Read the lodestone note about the shop being in under bit of an update - ok, fine.
Heard all sort of legends about this being FF14 teams attempt to stop rmt - way to kill a fly with bazooka if that's true. -
12-06-2022, 05:20 AMRenaltThat's just selfish and creepy. If I want someone to like me...I want them to like ME.Quote:
Originally Posted by SassyAssassin
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12-06-2022, 05:38 AMThemarvin
just add your friends to your friendslist.
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12-06-2022, 05:43 AMSassyAssassinOh yes, I think it also comes with immaturity or just insecurity in general, with everyone having access to everything thanks to the internet, being a “normal” human being is no longer enough, you are constantly bombarded with amazing people, be it by looks, intelligence, talents you name it, and when so many people (especially picture-wise) fake who they are, you feel as if you have no choice but to do the same hence the immaturity and insecurity. What they don’t realise is that yes, they will attract the wrong people and the relationships will never be genuine but for so many having the choice between that or nothing, they pick whatever they can get. As for me, I love humans from a distance, I really couldn’t give two turds to belong anywhere. I had a friend who used to mimic personalities depending who we would hang out with, especially in online groups, it was very unsettling, needless to say we are no longer in contact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renalt
And to keep it on topic, it’s everyone’s choice to give gifts, but please think twice before you spend money on an online person you met through game, another good thing to keep in mind, friends that care for you won’t ask you for mogstation items or even hint at for that matter. -
12-06-2022, 06:12 AMDPZ21. Set up a zoom session with your friendQuote:
Originally Posted by Burmecia
2. Have friend log into the Mogstation store as themselves
3. Have friend purchase Lotus mount while you watch
4. Have friend turn over payment to you in zoom session, so you can input your CC number
5. Hit "purchase" and be done with it
See how easy that was? Don't like that one?
1. Purchase gift card at local retail store
2. Send gift card to friend (or the numbers ... you choose)
3. Friend uses gift card to purchase stuff on Mogstation
Or how about:
1. Find mount/minion/glamour item on Market Board at reasonable price (one that Friend does not have)
2. Purchase mount/minion on Market Board
3. Send to Friend
"Reasonable price" can be anywhere from 2,000 to 200,000 gil. Anemos gear is fairly inexpensive for glamour. Most of the 'ilevel 1' clothing glamours are going to cost between 100,000 and 500,000 gil. Should be relatively easy if you participate in Treasure Map runs for a bit.
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12-06-2022, 06:25 AMArzalisI think you missed the part where they just totally disabled a bunch of items from being gifted permanently, regardless of friends list status. With a pretty weak reason too, imo.Quote:
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12-06-2022, 07:29 AMDrWho2010Square Enix as a whole being threatened with being DE-LISTED by major credit providers is a weak reason?Quote:
Originally Posted by Arzalis
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12-06-2022, 08:01 AMRaven2014And your point being?Quote:
Originally Posted by Renalt
As a single child Asian, I can speak with confident I'm taking care of my parents 365 a day better than most Westerner I know do on their parents birthday. But I always look forward to occasions to kick up a not to celebrate and make it even extra special for them, like birthdays, anniversary, holiday.
Have you ever attend an marriage anniversary? like 20years, 40 years, or heck even 60 years? I'm 101% those couples know and practice "caring for others" far more than you ever preach in your life ... doesn't stop them from celebrating on the occasions doesn't it?
No disrespect, and while I agree with you in spirit, I can't help but think people whenever making their grand statement are hollow and empty. Now if you say it to people who never give a damn about each other except for that one day per year, then I understand. But in general human for the most part are social creatures, and they also say "change is the spice of life". If people want to celebrate with each others, that's always a good thing, and for a celebration to be special, it's usually mean doing something that you don't do everyday. -
12-06-2022, 08:42 AMRenaltPoint being what I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven2014
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12-06-2022, 09:12 AMSassyAssassinI admire your confidence however just because you’re asian, doesn’t automatically mean you are better at taking care of your parents, shocking I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven2014
I wont deny the cultural difference in the west where people aren’t indoctrinated since young that gifts and money equals love and care. So I can agree with you on that.
Making kids to have them take care of you when you’re old is not something noble to boast about, putting the worth of people on par with what they can provide for you is selfish and rather weak. Loving your family and friends for who they are will always be greater than loving someone because they can offer you what you can’t offer yourself.
When people in the west say it should be about the people, it means exactly what it means, that many are happy with the company of others without worldly things which ironically a very big asian religion tries putting into practice.
While I agree that doing something “on the day” is supposed to be special, you see when you focus on the people you love everyday, those days happen at random and probably even more often and it matters not when someone up top decided it was something you are supposed to do otherwise you dont “care”.
It’s not a plan of “Ill love you so much on that day by buying you stuff”, because with a good job buying stuff is easy, being there, genuinely, for people on a daily basis proves more difficult.
So what you regard as hallow and empty, has far more meaning than any money you can spend.
Plus, as far as Im aware you don’t know him personally in real life, so saying he doesn’t practice what he preaces is a statement you must have pulled out of your ass.
And before you say something banal because I too must be a westerner, Im far from it. -
12-06-2022, 09:21 AMBurmeciaDid I touch a nerve?Quote:
Originally Posted by DPZ2
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12-06-2022, 09:50 AMRaven2014You missed the part where I specifically said " most Westerners that I know".Quote:
Originally Posted by SassyAssassin
If that's the case my parent should have made more than one kid, you know ... for insurance. Just because this is a narrative stereotyped by China's one child policy doesn't mean that's the reason. The reason I take "good" care of my parents because I acknowledge all the scarify they made raising me. I would not "offload" them even if I have the opportunity to do so. And since our family is in the US, I have plenty of opportunities to do so.Quote:
Making kids to have them take care of you when you’re old is not something noble to boast about,
I don't see them as obligation or duty, but privellege. My mother passed a few years back, and that's one of the biggest regret I had was she didn't live long enough so I can repay her in full.
I'm 100% I didn't pull that out of my arse. You know why? Because I didn't say that at all!Quote:
Plus, as far as Im aware you don’t know him personally in real life, so saying he doesn’t practice what he preaces is a statement you must have pulled out of your ass.
I said I'm confident people who had married for life and celebrate it know far more about the subjects at hand than he or anyone here do. Are you saying I'm wrong? And that fact still does not obsolete their cause for celebration. And I believe that's an objective fact unless you want to argue otherwise.
And I asked because I need elaborate. Because I don't see the point. I noticed some people these day often say this one others talking about celebration, that I can't help but see as a cynical view.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renalt
In fact, in my own experience, when you truly care about someone you would want to find every opportunities, or excuses even, to celebrate together. The people who say "well I don't need these random celebration because I already do 100% everyday", are usually the people who think they already do enough so they don't need to do more. But like I said, when you truly care about someone else, you always want to do more.
Maybe that's just me. But as a kid, I remember don't give a damn about my parents birthdays and just my own, hell I didn't even remember when they were. It's only when I realize how much they had done as a adults. That's why even giving them 100% 365 a day still doesn't feel enough, and always look forward to opportunities to do more.
Maybe my original response is a bit it's uncalled for: but you can use it as a reflection of how people gonna feel when they were simply talking about the want to celebrate, and you just waltz in delivery a grand statement about life. So at least, you can treat this exchange as a taste of your own medicine. -
12-06-2022, 10:53 PMDPZ2Nope. The "I can't show my [love|infatuation|friendship|pick something else] by purchasing a digital gift" crowd doesn't think outside the box. Your particular post was a simple enough entry point.Quote:
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12-07-2022, 05:42 AMRenaltI don't see the point to elaborate. What I said was as basic as it can get. You don't want me to ELABORATE...you want me to DEBATE it.Quote:
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I won't. -
12-07-2022, 09:00 AMkeichirouImagine telling someone how they should celebrate holidays....Quote:
Originally Posted by Renalt
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12-07-2022, 09:29 AMRaven2014I understand what you said perfectly fine. And I actually don't disagree that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renalt
I'm asking you to elaborate on why you feel the need to give a grandstanding statement when someone simply expressing their desire to celebrate.