Since they put barrier on new ARR MSQ instance...

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Originally Posted by dspguy

Lots of dungeons are part of the MSQ. It is still strange to me that Castrum/Prae are treated differently.

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Other MSQ dungeons don't have multiple cut scenes that keep interrupting the action throughout and usually only have one long cut scene at the beginning or before the end boss if something significant is going to happen storywise. Castrum doesn't have as much of that as Prae still does, but both are still an exception to regular dungeons.

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That's not an answer.

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It is the answer, only its one you dont like.

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very expansion has a "last dungeon" or trial. Every storyline has a last trial/dungeon/raid. None of those cutscenes are forced. Nearly 10 years of FFXIV - these are the only dungeons with forced cutscenes.

If the reward isn't great enough, players won't run it more than once. Cutscenes or not.

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Which is why the rewards are commensurate with the time expectation.

Its really this simple: accept the cutscenes and time commitment, or dont queue.

I've not had a new guy in the MS roulette for about 6 months.
The solution is pretty simple - whenever you do a dungeon when someone s new, the game recognizes it and gives a bonus. Since the game knows if people are new or not, then if no one in the group is new, allow the videos to be skipped.

Though honestly, Praetorium is the least of my issues - boring cutscenes for 15 mins I can handle, it's the Ultima Weapon fight that needs addressing - the whole first phase is just so boring, the mob is just a punching bag and it goes on too long. Remove the whole phase, let the fight start with the long vid and just do the second phase....or just massively reduce its hp for the first phase

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

Mentor roulette gave me MSQ instance whenever I queue as healer, and I see others don't have first time bonus so it's kinda nuisance.

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That comes with the territory of being a mentor...its not supposed to be for your convenience.

what barrier are we talking about? I think i missed something

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Originally Posted by ErryK

turn off chat or report? idk girl, y'all blow things outta proportion.

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You're delusional. Sprouts will just straight up quit before reporting.

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Originally Posted by Bukachu

what barrier are we talking about? I think i missed something

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The barrier you spawn into at the beginning of the dungeon. It doesn't drop until everyone is loaded in and finished watching the opening cutscene.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

It is the answer, only its one you dont like.



Which is why the rewards are commensurate with the time expectation.

Its really this simple: accept the cutscenes and time commitment, or dont queue.

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Just seems like bad design on their part. They probably should have just removed MSQ roulette entirely and make those dungeons run with the scions or something. For full disclosure, I abused the hell out of Castrum/Prae before it was changed. New expansion drops - run that daily. 45-90% of a level plus poetics that I use to buy the augmented gear to take new jobs to 90. Eventually I had the cutscenes down to a science. CS-> make coffee, kill boss, CS -> clean a room in the house, kill boss, CS -> clean another room. My house was never cleaner than when I was running the old Praetorium.

I know the updated MSQ roulette aren't going to change. It just doesn't make any sense to force cutscenes when no one needs them.

If they wanna see the cutscenes there's trust. No one will rush them that way. Yes get rid of the forced locked in cutscenes.

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Originally Posted by Bsrking5

If they wanna see the cutscenes there's trust. No one will rush them that way. Yes get rid of the forced locked in cutscenes.

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Honestly, I run with Trust first time I run any dungeon (when it is an option). It is mostly so I can watch cutscenes and not feel pressured. I also appreciate the extra dialogue the NPCs throw in there. Frankly, it makes more sense to do it with the Trust the first time. We walk up to a dungeon with the Scions in tow. Then they disappear during the dungeon and show back up after we beat the boss? That's how it was from ARR through SB. It was finally addressed in ShB and carried into EW. I think it is a great option.

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If they wanna see the cutscenes there's trust.

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Want to not see cutscenes, dont queue.

To people who want the MSQ cutscenes to be skippable - the moment that happens, MSQ roulette and its reward disappear. The only reason its got such great rewards compared to other roulettes rn is to compensate for the time investment. If time investment to accomodate sprouts is removed, so will be rewards. And at that point the dungeons will probably just be rolled into Lvl 50/60/70/80 roulette. If thats what you want, then yeah, MSQ dungeon cutscenes could be made skippable. People demanding both roulette and its rewards being kept; and cutscenes being skippable just want to both have their cake and eat it.

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Originally Posted by Heroman3003

To people who want the MSQ cutscenes to be skippable - the moment that happens, MSQ roulette and its reward disappear. The only reason its got such great rewards compared to other roulettes rn is to compensate for the time investment. If time investment to accomodate sprouts is removed, so will be rewards. And at that point the dungeons will probably just be rolled into Lvl 50/60/70/80 roulette. If thats what you want, then yeah, MSQ dungeon cutscenes could be made skippable. People demanding both roulette and its rewards being kept; and cutscenes being skippable just want to both have their cake and eat it.

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Nailed it.

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Originally Posted by Heroman3003

To people who want the MSQ cutscenes to be skippable - the moment that happens, MSQ roulette and its reward disappear. The only reason its got such great rewards compared to other roulettes rn is to compensate for the time investment. If time investment to accomodate sprouts is removed, so will be rewards. And at that point the dungeons will probably just be rolled into Lvl 50/60/70/80 roulette. If thats what you want, then yeah, MSQ dungeon cutscenes could be made skippable. People demanding both roulette and its rewards being kept; and cutscenes being skippable just want to both have their cake and eat it.

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It doesn't need to have it own roulette. Stuff it back into leveling, remove the cutscene lock and ask first timers really hard if they wanna do it in trust. It shouldn't going into 50/60/70/80. It only got those rewards because it was so bad they had to bribe vets extra hard to do it.

I don't know why people demand it be cutscene-pruned. If you don't like the cutscenes or don't care for rewards you can just not run the roulette. It's really that simple. I only run it occasionally when I know I have time and patience to put up with the long monologues, and I think more people should be more casual about their approach to it, rather than "I have to run ALL roulettes and I hate MSQ".

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Want to not see cutscenes, dont queue.

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Group over solo, if you want otherwise theres trust and party finder. Healer doesn't want to dps, vote kick, tanks is slow and says you pull you tank, vote kick. Wanna watch an hour movie in between a 10 minute dungeon, vote kick.

I'd say:

1) Remove the MSQ roulette entirely; add the final two dungeons to normal roulette.
2) Rework both roulettes entirely to...
--A) "Main Story Roulette"; This includes any/all dungeons run for main story, regardless of where they are now; this would include some 50/60/70/80.
--B) "Side Stories Roulette"; This includes most of the older Hardmode dungeons, things like Aurum Vale, a lot of the current 50/60/70/80.
3) Ensure that ALL dungeons in the #2A series can be done solo with NPCs
4) Allow all cutscenes to be skippable.

TL;DR IF you want to watch cutscenes, you should be able to do it with NPCs..but subsequently there is no need for an additional roulette for JUST the final two dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Bsrking5

Group over solo, if you want otherwise theres trust and party finder. Healer doesn't want to dps, vote kick, tanks is slow and says you pull you tank, vote kick. Wanna watch an hour movie in between a 10 minute dungeon, vote kick.

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That kind of behaviour is straight up against the rules by the way, and is something one might eat an ingame punishment over. Just saying that last time someone in dungeon I was running tried telling a healer how to play they were one who ended up kicked instead; AND GM support replied pretty fast. And if you see anyone trying to kick people over wanting to watch the cutscenes, always make sure to use support desk to report those behaviours. Helps improve the community.

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Originally Posted by Heroman3003

That kind of behaviour is straight up against the rules by the way, and is something one might eat an ingame punishment over. Just saying that last time someone in dungeon I was running tried telling a healer how to play they were one who ended up kicked instead; AND GM support replied pretty fast. And if you see anyone trying to kick people over wanting to watch the cutscenes, always make sure to use support desk to report those behaviours. Helps improve the community.

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It's actually intentional by the devs. Group over solo, if one person doesn't fit with the group. Remove the one and try for another like minded one. Your example proves it too.

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Originally Posted by Bsrking5

It's actually intentional by the devs. Group over solo, if one person doesn't fit with the group. Remove the one and try for another like minded one. Your example proves it too.

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Its never group over solo in cases where something is against the rules. Its a 'breaks the rules' or not. Telling other people they are playing 'wrong' is AGAINST the rules. Kicking them for gasp, daring to watch a cutscene is same way. If group did support the original kick, it'd just be situation to report not one but several players.

Contrarian Dodo, hehehe, been on the forums too long, but the MSQ dungeons can stay as is. I remember being new, getting to this point, and being absolutely disappointed with the ending because I missed everything that was happening. I kind of resented the game because of that. No one new needs to experience what I experienced and it's fine as is. You know what you're getting into when you queue up for that - long ass cutscenes and an exp bonus.

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Originally Posted by Bsrking5

It's actually intentional by the devs. Group over solo, if one person doesn't fit with the group. Remove the one and try for another like minded one. Your example proves it too.

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Guess what

Your attitude is why they are unskippable. Kicking new players because they want to see cutscenes is griefing, and to put it bluntly, utterly selfish, entitled , just plain rude.

If and when you get reported, try that schtick with a GM in Mordion...who will NOT be kind to you.

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Originally Posted by Bsrking5

It's actually intentional by the devs. Group over solo, if one person doesn't fit with the group. Remove the one and try for another like minded one. Your example proves it too.

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I feel like you're not helping with this situation, basically I just want those instance with circle barrier should've available to skip cutscene so they can just run around while waiting inside, not kicking new players...

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Originally Posted by Bsrking5

Group over solo, if you want otherwise theres trust and party finder. Healer doesn't want to dps, vote kick, tanks is slow and says you pull you tank, vote kick. Wanna watch an hour movie in between a 10 minute dungeon, vote kick.

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This attitude is why the cutscenes became unskippable to begin with. And it's an attitude like yours that will guarantee that they're never going to make it skippable again.

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Wanna watch an hour movie in between a 10 minute dungeon, vote kick.

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I have to ask: is this what you do to new players on a regular basis?

This discussion again for - what? - 350 poetics?

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

if you cant make the time commitment, dont queue.

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Simple.

Cope, seethe and mald because SE is never gonna let prae be skippable. You either deal with the cutscenes and get your tomes and exp or don't do roulette and stay quiet.

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Originally Posted by EnigmaticDodo

Contrarian Dodo, hehehe, been on the forums too long, but the MSQ dungeons can stay as is. I remember being new, getting to this point, and being absolutely disappointed with the ending because I missed everything that was happening. I kind of resented the game because of that. No one new needs to experience what I experienced and it's fine as is. You know what you're getting into when you queue up for that - long ass cutscenes and an exp bonus.

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It's pretty sad when the 8 man variant existed, the answer to the problem was just "lol, just watch the CS in the inn!". I'm not 100% happy with the solution but considering what the problem was, I can easily see why the devs did what they did.

I did ultima weapon this morning. 2 people in the group were in the same FC.

They relogged during the curscene because they didn't realise a barrier was there. They wanted to kill the second half of ultima before the curscene had finished.

They said they used to do this with all the bosses in msq.

I said it was unfair on the newbies. They said 'the Inn exists'

They couldn't get it into their thick little skills that this story needs to be seen on the context of the dungeon. The three dungeons flow into a major ending cut scene. There is no time to go back to the Inn. If you miss one cut scene, you have to skip them all or the story makes no sense.

You also cannot replay chunks of story in the Inn from this part.

So, if you don't see everything when it should be seen, you miss out on the ending of ARR.

For that reason alone, I'm so glad there is a barrier.

Don't want to watch cutscene? Don't do MSQ roulette.

My first time running Praetorium was before the changes.
My first time running Praetorium was effectively me stuck in multiple cutscenes in a row because half the party decided to speedrun it with the log-out skip, and telling me "KYS" when I asked them to please stop.
Great Community, By The Way.

edit: okay the snark at the end there was mildly uncalled for, but it did put me off actually getting invested into the game for a solid year.