What is more important, protect JP DCs or make NA seethe with macros?(CrossDC travel)

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

I can't read Japanese, what is supposed to be being said here?

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someone who posts the logs of twitter ffxiv players alongside their opinions
basically the scrubquotes.txt of JP ffxiv

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Is it another time when we pretend that only NA has trolls and problematic players and ignore that they exist *literally everywhere*?

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Honestly, having jumped on NA servers on many different MMOs (including FF14)

The discussion is MUCH more intense. It trends heavily towards politics, abuse, etc.

There is a MASSIVE culture difference between NA and European servers (for instance).

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Originally Posted by PirateRyanG

Honestly, having jumped on NA servers on many different MMOs (including FF14)

The discussion is MUCH more intense. It trends heavily towards politics, abuse, etc.

There is a MASSIVE culture difference between NA and European servers (for instance).

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Stay away from Balmung Ul'dah and all is gucci.

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

yeha but nobody cares about EU
you are not japanese
you will never be japanese
you are at the same bottom rung of the social hierarchy as NA

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Dunno we are mighty fine and nice over here to each other, something i never experienced while switching 2 years over to NA to play with a friend back then in stormblood.

But yeah, we are not japanese, duh. That isn't as shocking to us as you might think, though i have some few japanese friends over here on EU. But you are right, Europeans are not japanese, usually. You should get a Nobel prize for this shocking revelation.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

Hey Peter, remember the time the JP doxxed a streamer for using add-ons? That was freakin' sweet, lol.

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were those being doxxed NA players too? xD

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Originally Posted by PirateRyanG

There is a MASSIVE culture difference between NA and European servers (for instance).

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:x I only know about the macros thing in PF. Are things really that different between NA and EU?

I mean, we don't have a half as crazy Ul'dah as Balmung does, but...

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Originally Posted by hagare

were those being doxxed NA players too? xD

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https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ter_months_of/


I'd consider even the most toxic EU/NA player I've ever met so far to be a well-adjusted adult in comparison.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Dunno we are mighty fine and nice over here to each other, something i never experienced while switching 2 years over to NA to play with a friend back then in stormblood.

But yeah, we are not japanese, duh. That isn't as shocking to us as you might think, though i have some few japanese friends over here on EU. But you are right, Europeans are not japanese, usually. You should get a Nobel prize for this shocking revelation.

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"you are not japanese"
"ok yes I understand I am not japanese"

ok then you also understand you are not really all that different from NA in the eyes of the public right?

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

"you are not japanese"
"ok yes I understand I am not japanese"

ok then you also understand you are not really all that different from NA in the eyes of the public right?

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I mean we kinda are though. <shrugs> Alone for the fact that many people on EU are not english speaking players. But hey i can only speak for myself and my own experiences. And i can say that, out of my own experience, EU is muuuuch nicer~

And if that hurts your feelings then well tough luck. I am happy over here. And happy that SE seem to listen to their JP playerbase, which perfectly aligns with my wishes.

But hey if you have any valid arguments after all, would be happy to hear them. I mean if you try hard enough i bet you can produce something more eloquent than "You are not japanese". Cause to be fair you are also not French nor German. Shocking i know but well many of EU players are in fact well Europeans! But yeah i leave you to that, you are onto something i guess! Can't wait for your next thesis, maybe that cheese isn't bread! Or that water is wet!

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

:x I only know about the macros thing in PF. Are things really that different between NA and EU?

I mean, we don't have a half as crazy Ul'dah as Balmung does, but...

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By 'culture' difference, I mean beyond the realms of gameplay.

Americans, as a whole, tend to be very loud and abrupt. A lot more offensive stuff in their chat. Racism in their Free Companies, etc. etc. Americans place a much bigger 'focus' on politics. I have seen people get kicked out of guilds on MMOs because they didn't share the same political views as the guild owner. That has never happened in any of my European guilds. Why? Cos people just don't give a crap about discussing politics with others, nor judging people on it like it is a team sport.

Lots of political discussion when you have a world chat on a server (which luckily FF14 does not)

Americans are also very me-centric. The world has to revolve around the individual. That is actually one of the reasons why panel shows haven't worked in the US but have in every country. Everybody is in it for themselves rather than the good of the group. This me-centric thing is something that really has an impact on gameplay. Note how the vast majority of World 1sts in MMOs are from Europeans and not Americans. Europeans tend to work better as teams.

You wouldn't get that on European servers.

The only American server I can stomach playing is ESO NA on Xbox, and that is only because nobody actually uses the chat system there.

It is actually quite a surprise, because Europe is filled with multiple countries that know how to work together, and the US (despite what Americans believe) is a single country with fairly unified beliefs across the board, and yet still can't work together in anything.

The rest would be a MASSIVE culture clash. It would be a complete shit-show, like it is on Black Desert Online (which brings American and European servers together).

Happy for Europe to share servers with Australia and Canada (as their ideals are very British), but Americans need to be kept out of it.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

:x I only know about the macros thing in PF. Are things really that different between NA and EU?

I mean, we don't have a half as crazy Ul'dah as Balmung does, but...

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Unless FF14 is some weird phenomenon, no, not really. Cultural differences IRL sure, but in game EU and NA are largely the same, based on the various online games I've played over the years. This idea that EU doesn't have any toxic players/trolls is delusion at its best. And that's nothing against EU players, it's just a matter of fact that crappy people exist everywhere. There are plenty of good people on both NA and EU as well.

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Originally Posted by PirateRyanG

By 'culture' difference, I mean beyond the realms of gameplay.

Americans, as a whole, tend to be very loud and abrupt. A lot more offensive stuff in their chat. Racism in their Free Companies, etc. etc. Americans place a much bigger 'focus' on politics. I have seen people get kicked out of guilds on MMOs because they didn't share the same political views as the guild owner. That has never happened in any of my European guilds. Why? Cos people just don't give a crap about discussing politics with others, nor judging people on it like it is a team sport.

Lots of political discussion when you have a world chat on a server (which luckily FF14 does not)

Americans are also very me-centric. The world has to revolve around the individual. That is actually one of the reasons why panel shows haven't worked in the US but have in every country. Everybody is in it for themselves rather than the good of the group. This me-centric thing is something that really has an impact on gameplay. Note how the vast majority of World 1sts in MMOs are from Europeans and not Americans. Europeans tend to work better as teams.

You wouldn't get that on European servers.

The only American server I can stomach playing is ESO NA on Xbox, and that is only because nobody actually uses the chat system there.

It is actually quite a surprise, because Europe is filled with multiple countries that know how to work together, and the US (despite what Americans believe) is a single country with fairly unified beliefs across the board, and yet still can't work together in anything.

The rest would be a MASSIVE culture clash. It would be a complete shit-show, like it is on Black Desert Online (which brings American and European servers together).

Happy for Europe to share servers with Australia and Canada (as their ideals are very British), but Americans need to be kept out of it.

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LOL Let's just ignore that there are crappy EU players that do all this stuff you're attributing NA to as well.

Wait, I gotta remember who I'm talking to, one of the known trolls of the board, not worth spending my time on.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

LOL Let's just ignore that there are crappy EU players that do all this stuff you're attributing NA to as well.

Wait, I gotta remember who I'm talking to, one of the known trolls of the board, not worth spending my time on.

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I have played a LOT of MMOs, and I have experienced it a lot more often on American servers. It is much more open there. Not saying it doesn't happen on European servers, just that it is rarer.

I am not a troll. Being critical of a game is not trolling. None of my posts are trolling.

Handy hint (which may also apply if you are a Redditor). Not all apply in this situation, but good advice for the future:

- If somebody doesn't agree with your opinion, they are not a troll.
- If somebody doesn't agree with your opinion, they are not Russian/Chinese.
- If somebody doesn't agree with your opinion, they are not a bot.

People just have different opinions about things. You aren't the main character where everybody has to follow what you want.

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Originally Posted by PirateRyanG

I have played a LOT of MMOs, and I have experienced it a lot more often on American servers. It is much more open there. Not saying it doesn't happen on European servers, just that it is rarer.

I am not a troll. Being critical of a game is not trolling. None of my posts are trolling.

Handy hint (which may also apply if you are a Redditor). Not all apply in this situation, but good advice for the future:

- If somebody doesn't agree with your opinion, they are not a troll.
- If somebody doesn't agree with your opinion, they are not Russian/Chinese.
- If somebody doesn't agree with your opinion, they are not a bot.

People just have different opinions about things. You aren't the main character where everybody has to follow what you want.

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In the words of Firemage, your post history is available for all to see.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Unless FF14 is some weird phenomenon, no, not really. Cultural differences IRL sure, but in game EU and NA are largely the same, based on the various online games I've played over the years. This idea that EU doesn't have any toxic players/trolls is delusion at its best. And that's nothing against EU players, it's just a matter of fact that crappy people exist everywhere. There are plenty of good people on both NA and EU as well.

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EU has in fact a nicer culture overall. From greeting in dungeons over patience with players and being overall nice to each other. Most prominent example is how Eureka is handled. On NA Eureka "fates" are instantly pulled from my experience. On EU people wait for like 10min, at least i experienced that a couple times, for people to arrive and literally NOBODY trolls and early pulls the bosses.

Also EU uses shout and yell chat not for conversations, which NA does frequently. Which is all great tbh but people on EU and JP don't really like that and find it impolite. Especially towards the console players cause the chat just well auto scrolls, thanks to SE tho.

But yeah as i said i can only speak from my own experience, i played 2 years on NA overall and the rest on EU which is like 4-5 years. EU has also their weird and bad players, can't deny that. I also had bad experiences on EU. But i can say the overall atmosphere is much nicer over here, it's a bit less meme and troll heavy. NA feels more like the wild west, which is not bad many players probably prefer it that way and i find some of it also funny.

But that's why it is good that we don't have region travel. Cause now people can choose where to play, be it on the more wild NA, more calm EU or well really polite and orderly JP. Or the dead OCE servers. (They are new tho, just needs time to build their population.) No need to homogenize everything tbh.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

In the words of Firemage, your post history is available for all to see.

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The only post that could even come close to being trolling is when I said Bards need to be nerfed as it is unfair that they get Peloton and Bard music.

Nothing else is trolling. It is being critical of a game, which is not trolling.

Notice how you didn't like my opinion (and overall experiences) and dismissed it as trolling.

If you are dismissing something that you don't like as trolling without actually listening to what I am saying, you must lead a bloody sorry life.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

EU has in fact a nicer culture overall. From greeting in dungeons over patience with players and being overall nice to each other. Most prominent example is how Eureka is handled. On NA Eureka "fates" are instantly pulled from my experience. On EU people wait for like 10min, at least i experienced that a couple times, for people to arrive and literally NOBODY trolls and early pulls the bosses.

Also EU uses shout and yell chat not for conversations, which NA does frequently. Which is all great tbh but people on EU and JP don't really like that and find it impolite. Especially towards the console players cause the chat just well auto scrolls, thanks to SE tho.

But yeah as i said i can only speak from my own experience, i played 2 years on NA overall and the rest on EU which is like 4-5 years. EU has also their weird and bad players, can't deny that. I also had bad experiences on EU. But i can say the overall atmosphere is much nicer over here, it's a bit less meme and troll heavy. NA feels more like the wild west, which is not bad many players probably prefer it that way and i find some of it also funny.

But that's why it is good that we don't have region travel. Cause now people can choose where to play, be it on the more wild NA, more calm EU or well really polite and orderly JP. Or the dead OCE servers. (They are new tho, just needs time to build their population.) No need to homogenize everything tbh.

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People greet in dungeons in NA.
People are generally patient in NA, unless it's a clear party or you're not reaching a prog point of a practice party (which is understandable).
People wait in Eureka and get pretty annoyed when people instapull.
Shout/yell in non-Limsa zones are dead.

Everything you've attributed to EU happens in NA too, on a regular basis. This is why anecdotal evidence isn't entirely reliable.

And to your final point, absolutely not. Separating friends from being able to play together will never be okay and the goal should be for them to be able to play together, and you will never convince me that it's an acceptable restriction. The entire point of MMOs is playing with other people, and restricting people from doing that is not great. You're also forcing people to choose between ping and friends.

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Originally Posted by PirateRyanG

The only post that could even come close to being trolling is when I said Bards need to be nerfed as it is unfair that they get Peloton and Bard music.

Nothing else is trolling. It is being critical of a game, which is not trolling.

Notice how you didn't like my opinion (and overall experiences) and dismissed it as trolling.

If you are dismissing something that you don't like as trolling without actually listening to what I am saying, you must lead a bloody sorry life.

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Notice how you're dangerously close to resorting to ad hominem attacks, which is a common tactic of trolls lmao.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Notice how you're dangerously close to resorting to ad hominem attacks, which is a common tactic of trolls lmao.

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You have absolutely no argument against what I said other than:

"You're a troll"

Simply because you did not like what I said.

There is absolutely no evidence I am a troll (despite what you and your gang says), other than the fact I say things that you may not necessarily agree with.

Every single time, I have paid attention to the criticism and given my response. Except against FireMage, where he consistently pulled fake stats out of his arse and said my provable stats (which I had evidence for) were bullshit. No sense in arguing with that shit.

I may not always say the smartest thing, but everything I say is thought out in my head, and I don't troll deliberately.

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Originally Posted by PirateRyanG

You have absolutely no argument against what I said other than:

"You're a troll"

Simply because you did not like what I said.

There is absolutely no evidence I am a troll (despite what you and your gang says), other than the fact I say things that you may not necessarily agree with.

Every single time, I have paid attention to the criticism and given my response. Except against FireMage, where he consistently pulled fake stats out of his arse and said my provable stats (which I had evidence for) were bullshit. No sense in arguing with that shit.

I may not always say the smartest thing, but everything I say is thought out in my head, and I don't troll deliberately.

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Notice how I'm responding to another poster who I also disagree with? I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "my gang", but with your post history, if you're 100% not a troll, maybe instead of having a meltdown over being accused of one or having a meltdown whenever someone says something YOU don't like (which has happened before), maybe take a step back and think about how you come across in your posts.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Notice how I'm responding to another poster who I also disagree with? I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "my gang", but with your post history, if you're 100% not a troll, maybe instead of having a meltdown over being accused of one or having a meltdown whenever someone says something YOU don't like (which has happened before), maybe take a step back and think about how you come across in your posts.

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You are the one that is having a meltdown, and you were responding to me.

I gave solid reasons as to why the European and American culture is different and you essentially said:

"NOT LISTENING. UR A TROLL"

And I am pissed off, because you and your gang are deliberately bullying me for absolutely nothing other than not always being happy with your precious game.

You know your name gets frequently brought up on Reddit as one of the worst people on this forum, right? As one of the bullies?

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Originally Posted by PirateRyanG

You are the one that is having a meltdown, and you were responding to me.

I gave solid reasons as to why the European and American culture is different and you essentially said:

"NOT LISTENING. UR A TROLL"

And I am pissed off, because you and your gang are deliberately bullying me for absolutely nothing other than not always being happy with your precious game.

You know your name gets frequently brought up on Reddit as one of the worst people on this forum, right? As one of the bullies?

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If you think my posts are a "meltdown" then lol wow. And again, I have no idea what you mean by "my gang".

Also, regarding reddit, freaking LOL REALLY? Not that I remotely care about that cesspit, but that's absolutely hilarious. Feel free to share them here, though I doubt these supposed posts exist.

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Originally Posted by PirateRyanG

I gave solid reasons as to why the European and American culture is different and you essentially said:

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*looks across the pond*
...Nah, we are pretty much a mirror of each other now. Now, let's all stop and apologize profusely, lmao.

So, um, what was actually meant by the term "make NA seethe with macros?" ... was it just a dumb off-hand reference to nothing, much like the rest of the OP's first post?

Was it to invoke disgust at the way NA players use macros in-game? Is such macro usage really "seething"? Does the OP have some statistics of which I am unaware?

Inquiring minds want to know ...

So... reading the umm... dialogue that came out of me asking about the cultural differences before, I don't think there's that many differences between NA and EU?

I mean, we're not loud, sure, though it does depend on the country and culture. Often the louder communities are from countries that didn't teach english until very recently, so there's little point in trying to communicate. Those that have taught English for longer tend to be communities that usually are known for being quiet. But that's me resorting to stereotypes. Obviously I can't confirm this in any way.

What I do know is that Zebraoracle's comparison to NA is a bit more accurate. People may or may not speak in EU as they do in NA. People here are patient but grow absolutely riled if someone early pulls. And if it's a clear party but you're clearly still practicing, some people can very much get toxic with you. Most just disband the party after a pull or two of not getting to the agreed-upon goal.

And to refer to whenever I mention my bad experiences with the game's community, they all happened in EU. I barely interacted with NA since starting the game. There are DEFINITELY a lot of people here that I would not wish on NA. Easily half my blacklist.

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Originally Posted by PirateRyanG

You know your name gets frequently brought up on Reddit as one of the worst people on this forum, right? As one of the bullies?

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tbf a quick google search only yielded one result and it was a thread where they called him a gigachad. I think that's a compliment? -._.`

Taking the XIV reddit seriously was your first mistake.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Taking the XIV reddit seriously was your first mistake.

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Fixed it for you. ♥



Cheers

Let's bring up rule breaking behaviour and act like it's only prevalent in one region, far as I know there is an universal TOS as to what's allowed and what isn't ;), or pretend like EU doesn't know english, not like the vast majority communicates in it aside from the handful german FCs in /shout.

Either way, some of you are really really sad, hope you find friends someday.

:o

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

So, um, what was actually meant by the term "make NA seethe with macros?" ... was it just a dumb off-hand reference to nothing, much like the rest of the OP's first post?

Was it to invoke disgust at the way NA players use macros in-game? Is such macro usage really "seething"? Does the OP have some statistics of which I am unaware?

Inquiring minds want to know ...

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well basically the idea from EU and JP players that if you post a macro in a NA savage/ultimate PF that they will have an immediate meltdown and provide you with tons of screenshots you can post on tales from duty finder

The elitism around macros has always been funny to me.

People are out here seriously pretending like there aren't constant stupid arguments over the minutiae in macros all the time.

mmm popcorn!

https://media2.giphy.com/media/EBDXQI8mRX1u0/giphy.gif

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

tbf a quick google search only yielded one result and it was a thread where they called him a gigachad. I think that's a compliment? -._.`

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Because those posts don't exist and TC is likely just making stuff up or confusing me with someone else lol. Notice how when I invited them to link the posts here they went silent. The gigachad thing is really funny though.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

The elitism around macros has always been funny to me.

People are out here seriously pretending like there aren't constant stupid arguments over the minutiae in macros all the time.

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Right? It's almost like people will always find something to argue over regardless of region lol

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Originally Posted by Shibi

mmm popcorn!

https://media2.giphy.com/media/EBDXQI8mRX1u0/giphy.gif

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I made a horrible mistake in buying the wrong popcorn the other day when I bought groceries. It was bland, unsalted, unbuttered. I was devastated. Made sure to buy kettle corn popcorn this time, I'm so excited. Also as a vet tech that gif is tilting me, that cat should not be eating that popcorn, I assume most people like having a bunch of salt and/or butter on their popcorn, which makes it very unhealthy for cats whereas bland popcorn (why would anyone eat this???) is technically fine for them to eat.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Also as a vet tech that gif is tilting me, that cat should not be eating that popcorn, I assume most people like having a bunch of salt and/or butter on their popcorn, which makes it very unhealthy for cats whereas bland popcorn (why would anyone eat this???) is technically fine for them to eat.

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I think it's just warming it's face!

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

The elitism around macros has always been funny to me.

People are out here seriously pretending like there aren't constant stupid arguments over the minutiae in macros all the time.

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Or maybe and just maybe EU and JP found a neat way to raid and it works very well while NA has to fight each other over which streamers strat they actually want to use while wiping to world first raiders strats cause they are not optimal and well full of sweet cheese. But whatever works for you fellas i would say, just stay over there with your stuff and we stay over here.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

I assume most people like having a bunch of salt and/or butter on their popcorn, which makes it very unhealthy for cats whereas bland popcorn (why would anyone eat this???) is technically fine for them to eat.

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Asshole human put a can of tuna in the bottom.