Yes, the OP had a point, but obviously you and the brigade go way above that and just call it "bait" and try and derail it as much as possible since you cant handle any sort of criticism agaisnt the game.
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I'm just waiting for FFXVI's release next year so that more focus can go back onto XIV.
Don't think I personally called it bait, but hey, you do you with that imagination.
You're the one seemingly getting upset about people having a different perspective than you and trying to create a thinly veiled narrative about the 'Square Enix Defence Task Force' to try and ward off anything that is counter to your own perspective.
In reality I would argue that you are also the one that has a problem with other peoples' posts being subjected to criticism, it's funny how that works really.
Far be it from me to ever call myself an ardent Yoshida defender/white knight/whatever term, but I think he's been fairly up front in the past that the kind of games he likes are old school, hardcore MMOs. I don't think it's an issue that he hasn't played Island Sanctuary. In fact, I think there was an interview where he said the entire reason it became a thing was because a lot of his team enjoyed playing Harvest Moon in their free time.
I think it's certainly fair to point out how abysmal job design and battle content are becoming when it's supposed to be Yoshida's favorite thing, but I don't think the same can really be said for Island Sanctuary when it seems pretty clear it's not something he's particularly chomping at the bits about. I don't think it's entirely fair to expect him to love every aspect of the game, especially when it's unfair to expect the same of players.
When will people understand this guy is just a walking advertisement (name, signature) making low effort posts?
I don't really understand the meaning of this thread tbh. You lay out no concrete issues with Island Sanctuary(in which there are MANY), and instead link a random bait quote from an interview that might have lost context in translation.
If we're looking at it quite literally, he just states he hasn't played it on his main account. I think this is why you start to lose credibility in your appearances on the forums.
Nope, counter criticism is perfectly fine, however going agaisnt op every single time and denying their point by immediately calling it "bait", derailing and trolling their thread is not ok in any way. If you want to counter criticism, by all means.
To be entirely fair when I see people telling me it's okay to not have any decent preview options in the character creation screen and that "people should make some effort and create alt characters for every voice they want or youtube it" yet a fantasia is sold at full price, and its not cheap, it really makes me question to what extent people are ready to defend everything Square does, and it does make me want to block these people too, because they have no common sense.Quote:
I don't call every topic bait. I didn't even call this one bait. But at least I reply to people who disagree with me. Aveyond just puts them on ignore. Who wants the echo chamber?
I'll keep it brief. OP has never answered to any of my posts anyway.
I have no idea what Yoshi's schedule looks like. I have no idea what he has time to play or not. They're also wrapping XVI. Does that affect his available time? Probably, dunno. He has to test everything else being introduced to XIV in the future. To what extent, I don't know.
Here's my point: Neither do you.
I get what you're saying, but you're presenting it as if it was some kind of intentional neglect or contempt for XIV on his part. Your argument is based on a biased personal assumption as to the context of why he hasn't spent as much time in Island Sanctuary, and no solid argument is ever based on assumptions.
Do I really care? Not really. Just don't act surprised when people seem to have a hard time taking you seriously.
I legit have no idea why you're still playing, but you do you I suppose.
Cheers.
Edit: I suspect XIV's development has been bottlenecked a bit by XVI but that's just a personal suspicion. I don't intend to make any serious argument based on something I actually don't know.
And yet, I have not posted in either of those threads. So.....
I don't think fantasia pots are expensive, but I also don't think there's any reason not to have better previews on character creation. It likely comes down to tech limitations in their engine, but I'm not going to say no if they can add it
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Honestly? I would prefer if people on both sides of the aisle stop holding what Yoshi says or does in such a high regard. It's going to bite you sooner or later.
But this is fun too, keep going please.
If your bar for criticism is pointing out any fault within the game, which is reasonably within your prerogative to do so, then equally it is within other peoples' prerogative to have a counter criticism just simply be "Low tier post"; "Bad take".
The dude took a small excerpt from an interview and neglected to read the personal account -- Neglecting the very fact many of these developers do have full-time jobs and do test this content as part of said job, and equally have lives outside of the game, you cannot get much more low quality, really. They keyword in this excerpt was personal account
If someone tells me a game is crap and pawns that off as criticism, then people pointing out the post or perspective as being low quality then that is just a valid criticism as the former, which is really the point here.
Not saying you have, but I can definitely understand why op wouldnt take anyone in defense of Square seriously, WoW went down that route, and it went bad, people kept defending over and over again the worst decisions, be it content wise, balance etc, and people are doing the exact same in this game, because of people like that, games are doomed to fail as any sort of criticism is immediately rejected by the community as bait or trolling.
It does matter if he plays the content he made on his personal account, because if the content itself was enjoyable, he would have done it by now.
The relationship a lot of posters seem to have with me runs in a one-way direction.
Regardless, Island Sanctuary was lackluster content that amounts to little more than clicking things and, oh wait actually it isn't an area to afk in because it boots you out after 30 minutes. Whether by way of lack of resources, dev time, or all around neglect, this and other aspects of the game are suffering under these later years of Yoshi's tenure.
For the game's sake he should hope that Criterion Dungeons aren't yet another flop, though with nothing except the minnie mouse mount teased for it and the dungeon itself having a painfully generic appearance, there is reason to believe it won't hold on to people's attention. To say nothing of the incoming dilemma when people who don't follow this game's news that closely get surprised when they have to do Hildibrand for their relic, only to quickly grow bored of 20 Crystal Tower or Void Ark runs as opposed to Bozja offering both zone-based and duty-based progression.
The problem is, and again, this has been stated numerous times when it comes to aveyond, he states his opinion as objective fact instead of objective opinion, and states that the majority agree with him without any kind of statistics to back this up.
In this very thread he states the game is hemorrhaging players at a rapid pace. Where did he get that info? I haven't seen any indication that this is true.
It kills me that one of the top comments for the video you linked is: "Given that YoshiP is in the 95th percentile of Black Mage parses on savage content, I think it's safe to say he plays it" and a reply to that is: "He became lead of the dev team just so he could be as close to the servers as possible for optimum latency."
After all, it is merely the standard he sets himself:
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They do make it very convenient, especially the crew that rather desperately follows Aveyond around.
People not logging into the game are an indication that it is true, and yes that is based on personal experience, I also have seen a lot of people stop logging in at all in my friend list, and if those people leave, that does mean that quite a lot of people are quitting the game, either due to lack of content, or due to how boring the content is, or it's simply not worth the time anymore.
Be constructive about it then.
This thread's just obvious bait. If not, then it's petty. Sure, Aveyond has controversial opinions and stuff, but this thread doesn't even qualify.
Though I will point out that he can indeed say good things about the game, he just focuses on being negative too much. That has happened.
He's right.
This just isn't the kind of thread for that.
You want to address the fact that Yoshida has let a lot of content slide under the radar at the detriment of those who would actively enjoy it? Content that he clearly doesn't play through? That's already been stated, there are a bunch of threads asking Yoshida to play Hrothgar, Viera, a Healer... But opening up the topic with just "he hasn't played it on his main account yet" isn't saying much. So he hasn't played Island Sanctuary. We don't know if the rest of the dev team likes it. Nor do we know how the man chooses to spend his personal, private time. We don't know if he intends to or not in the future.
Just saying, Aveyond, this is a bit weak.
Right. But that doesn't mean because a chef has to eat everything they make if they work at a restaurant. Nor does what a chef eats off the menu at their own restaurant have any impact on the success of the restaurant. I highly doubt any chef of any restaurant goes through and eats everything on the menu of where they work on a regular basis (over the course of several days, not all at once).
OP's trying to say that because YoshiP hasn't played Island Sanctuary on his personal account that it's somehow usable as proof that the patch wasn't successful.
The interesting thing about the Aveyond fan club is that the normal response to not liking someone's posts or someone's persona on a public internet forum would be to block them, but they can't bring themselves to do that. They purposefully keep him unblocked because they have to see what he's writing, and they have to be ready at a moment's notice to shoot down what he's saying. It's almost like an obsession. This guy lives in their heads rent free.
As mentioned several times, blocking doesn't hide created threads for some reason, so we are stuck with seeing them anyway.
Plus, it's rather entertaining reading his completely off the walls takes. It's like reading bad take Twitter threads on politics actually.
Like I've said, and like you have elected to ignore, many of these developers test the content, and go through validating it as part of QA, equally they have their own lives. I'm sorry but if you're testing quality for potentially tens of hundreds of hours for QA and bug-finding then regardless of the content you are probably not going to be as enthused about doing it on your personal content afterward.
That being said, whether they have done it on their main account is sort of irrelevant in the context of Island Sanctuary, arguably in many facets of content, this does apply. Whether a developer likes the content or not -- More importantly the community reception and perception around the content are arguably more important as they are the ones exhausting the product. -- In other words, a project manager or developer can develop and manage content that they personally don't like if they feel it is something that the larger player base would participate in.
Developing content that you only personally have an interest in is a surefire way to eventually kill the product or stagnate the player base. It's not a clever thing to do at all. Sometimes they just need to develop content they don't enjoy - This of course lies under the assumption that Yoshida hates the content which is not really something anyone can say, really.
I would argue that Island Sanctuary is not an entirely finished product, and nor is it without flaws, but it has the good foundations already to be content with a lot of substance with it and is something they can continue to develop even with arguably fairly positive reception. Again, not without flaws but positively received.
So I will stick with my point of a low-tier post.
If I'm gonna see them anyway, may as well have some fun replying. Don't you enjoy watching people with crazy conspiracy theories? Seeing how their brains work sometimes is entertaining too.
Work can be slow at times. Not like he responds to anyone who disagrees with him anyway. Can't even criticise him or he hides behind "internet bullying".
Also, it's always funny that the same group complaining about aveyond haters comes in to defend him every time. Except that one thread you guys couldn't even defend it was so bad lol. Your absence was incredibly telling.
But you're not going to see them unless you click a button to divulge the contents of the post, so again, you're deliberately choosing to do so.
Is there a point buried deep in there somewhere? I am not part of any "you guys" that may exist in your imagination, nor do I agree with every comment Aveyond makes.Quote:
Also, it's always funny that the same group complaining about aveyond haters comes in to defend him every time. Except that one thread you guys couldn't even defend it was so bad lol. Your absence was incredibly telling.
No, threads are different than posts in a thread. If you block someone, posts will be hidden but threads don't go away.
And you sure do seem to be buddy buddy with him, considering you show up in almost every single thread he makes to agree with him and disparage anyone who disagrees with his hot takes.
The amount of power Aveyond has over some people is quite funny.
I think you're being rather disingenuous and are simply attempting to bundle everyone who happens to agree with Aveyond on some issues as being part of one big hive mind when that simply isn't true. Naturally those of us invested in the story and the idea of character customisation upgrades are going to pop into threads related to those very same issues...
You're hardly upsetting anyone. It's the equivalent of a fly buzzing around a room - an irritant, yes, but hardly something liable to provoke meltdowns.
I always have plenty to do when I log in so that sounds like a you issue. You hit Series Rank 30 yet? If not there you go. You get all your achievements done? There you go right there. You have all classes at full 90 with all BLU spells unlocked? There you go.
But I'm certain you don't. Let call it what it is. There's plenty to do in game, you just don't like/want to do it.
Bias you say...wasn't blm garbo in CC when it dropped, you know his favorite job? Isn't blm in a tough raid spot rn? You know...his favorite class? Raids favoring melees actively makes the class harder in his favorite content so where the bias?
Also where did he say he wasn't into IS? You pulled that outta nowhere to make a point (that has no merit btw). And the crazy part is folks like Stormy defend it when you're off-base. It's like this weird fixation on being negative n matter what.
Would he let those races remain as Viera and Hroth have? NOBODY KNOWS. That's as far as that question should go because that's the fact of the matter. Put your bias aside. Also BLU is a useless minigame? That's news to me. What makes it useless btw? I get plenty of use out of BLU. Hell I'd argue BLU has more freedom with how it's currently designed. Do I want an increase to 80 soon? Yes. I don't need it to do current content though.
You've provided no proof of him only caring about what he enjoys. You've only rambled about nonsense that you simply don't like. 10 years of goodwill "done away with in 10 months"...and you'll still be here complaining in 8.0 about how "bad" the game is.
Meant to also respond that I dont think Aveyond was trying to troll bait with this thread. No, that requires for him to actually think.
I think he genuinely rushes into conclusions without actually taking the time to think about the information presented to him. Yoshida clearly states "has yet to play on his P-E-R-S-O-N-A-L account" but of course Aveyond having such a love to hate relationship with the guy will try to twist words in an attempt to validate his opinions. Its pathetic and sad. And I can already hear him defending himself with the usual "well screw me for caring about the game" shtick. You're not a saint, just like how we dont want to hold the devs above criticism, the same goes to the members of this community.
But all it shows is the thread title until you actually click a button to divulge the post's contents. So really, other than displaying the title, how is it materially different?
And that is what we call a reach. The only thread of his I commented much on was his story rewrite one. Beyond that, we agree on a few points and I will occasionally pop into his threads. I am not sure why, in your mind, that constitutes some commitment on my part to show up to each and every thread he makes or agree with all his points.Quote:
And you sure do seem to be buddy buddy with him, considering you show up in almost every single thread he makes to agree with him and disparage anyone who disagrees with his hot takes.
Precisely. The threads only 3 hours old and we're almost 9 pages in. It almost reminds me of a certain twitch streamer who has some controversial takes. People will watch his stream for the entire day just to get the chance to argue with him in chat, and it drives up his viewer count and overall publicity. Little do these folks know that they're just helping him become more popular and contributing to his success by trying to argue with him.
No, there was no point being made. Allow me to prove it by offering an analogy.
Executive Pastry Chef at a Michelin 2 star restaurant spends 14 hours a day planning and creating elaborate desserts. They go home and for dessert they have a piece of fruit.
OP: OMG that chef doesn't even make an elaborate dessert to eat when they're at home. Their desserts must be crap!
The criticism wasn't of the game. The criticism was of what YoshiP does with his personal time. Sorry, that's stepping over the boundary lines. How he chooses to spend his personal time as a player is not for us to be critiquing.
I doubt he gets that many hours a week to play on his personal time. If he wants to spend what little personal time he has to play on content other than Island Sanctuary, that's his business.
If Aveyond wants to go on yet another rant with their personal take on state of the game, then they should discuss the actual game and not what developers are choosing to do with their personal time.