So I got the IS motorcycle and am island level 10.... Now what?

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

To be fair, if people took IS even more casually then it might as well be a phone game. The other poster was right, SE should have cut out IS, bolted it to the companion app they are trying to push, and go "Hey, for 5 dollars a month you can speed up your building/gathering times. You won't lose anything if you don't opt in but don't you want to want those companion app exclusive mounts faster? :^)"

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yeah such a good idea to not have anything new form of content ever in this game. Lets just disencourage that ickiness and only want for the same old crap every patch.

IS is far from perfect but as I keep saying time and time again, it has potential to be built into something better. How about we stop saying crap like "SE shouldve cut of x and y" no...they should not when it comes to content. We want them to improve on it to be something thats actually worthwhile.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

*looks at Poetics*

Are you sure?

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If we use poetics as a model, that means we can expect to see pink, red, yellow and orange cowries before the pink and red ones get collapsed into blue.

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Originally Posted by KurohNeko

.... Aside from the bike, maybe the veggie mounts and the suspiciously placed hairstyles which have nothing to do with IS and seem like they were just shoved in it and should just be buyable at the Gold Saucer, there is nothing for me to buy. ....

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

With the overwhelming negative feedback towards the IS, that would be a pretty boneheaded move on their part.

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Not really why would they allow people to accrue currency and then be able to buy all the new rewards when the new content arrives. This isn't new it's something they do all the time with crafting and gathering scrips, tomestones and more.

And the feedback is far from overwhelmingly negative. That is certainly standard fare from a certain group of forum posters however who think their opinions represent the community at large.

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

Is it really overwhelming negative feedback tho? The only people who complained it is just on OF...

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Hardly. People complain about it in the game all the time.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

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lol

I mean, it's not wrong.

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

Hardly. People complain about it in the game all the time.

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Never seen it, tbh. At least not on Exodus.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

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[IMG]"Once you buy everything you want, you're going to let your animals starve."

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Honestly, they don't incentivise feeding the animals enough for me to bother doing it even while I'm actively engaging with the sanctuary. The only EXP comes from collecting leavings, and you still get that (and more items than you can consume in a day of crafting) without feeding them anything. Plus their mood sinks so quickly that it feels like a pointless chore to even try to keep them happy.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

And the feedback is far from overwhelmingly negative. That is certainly standard fare from a certain group of forum posters however who think their opinions represent the community at large.

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Even with people only speaking for themselves, it seems there are more people unhappy with it and along the same lines of aesthetics. I haven't been reading beyond here, but I don't think it's purely a case of one person assuming everyone shares their opinion.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Honestly, they don't incentivise feeding the animals enough for me to bother doing it even while I'm actively engaging with the sanctuary. The only EXP comes from collecting leavings, and you still get that (and more items than you can consume in a day of crafting) without feeding them anything. Plus their mood sinks so quickly that it feels like a pointless chore to even try to keep them happy.




Even with people only speaking for themselves, it seems there are more people unhappy with it and along the same lines of aesthetics. I haven't been reading beyond here, but I don't think it's purely a case of one person assuming everyone shares their opinion.

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I'm not saying that some are not happy with the content. It just gets old having to read people using their personal opinions and those of some forum posters as being representative of the community as a whole. Overwhelming is a bit much sorry.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Not really why would they allow people to accrue currency and then be able to buy all the new rewards when the new content arrives. This isn't new it's something they do all the time with crafting and gathering scrips, tomestones and more.

And the feedback is far from overwhelmingly negative. That is certainly standard fare from a certain group of forum posters however who think their opinions represent the community at large.

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As opposed to the forum white knights who always think everything is perfect?

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

As opposed to the forum white knights who always think everything is perfect?

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People who enjoy the content aren't white knights. What should we call you a negativist then? Sorry but stop trying to speak for the community as a whole. Your opinion is your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it.

Relative to a new monetary currency I'll put me bets on we get a different color for the new content. We can revisit that when the new content hits and see who is right.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Sorry but stop trying to speak for the community as a whole.

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You first.

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

You first.

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I'm not claiming anything. Just calling you out for trying to speak for the community as a whole.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

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From being obsessed to feed them twice with highest feed tier to force them to almost starve so i can only feed once a day with mid tier feed.


I am just getting cowries to buy the rest of the shop but hey there is also a title that requires months of mammet whipping, thank Tataro-P lol

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Originally Posted by Azuri

PvP players were also expecting that new content will be added every patch cycle. How well that went...

This is going the way of Chocobo Racing. Btw, does anyone remember the last time they added something to Gold Saucer?

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The last thing was "The Slice is Right" GATE. Other stuff has been prizes.

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

As opposed to the forum white knights who always think everything is perfect?

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There's a middle ground.

I feel like the "white knight" label gets thrown as soon as anyone says they like any part of the game. In a discussion on the story I might get labelled a white knight, but here I am quite frustrated with other aspects of the game. People have to be able to give positive feedback as well as negative.

Let's be real here, even if they'd somehow added more, it wouldn't have been enjoyable content. Because at its core, the island sanctuary is just timegated grinding. You're either gathering, which has no substance to it, just click and it's done. Or you're waiting for plants to grow, animals to be harvested, voyages to return, buildings to finish. That's the whole thing. Sometimes it's broken up by a rare spawn. Yoshi spent like 2 months begging us to have low expectations, this is probably why.

Get the booty shorts. Get the bike. Get the mandragora mounts. Get out 'til the next expansion for it. Maybe they'll add more stuff, who knows.

My future interest of Island Sanctuary will depends on the way they update it.

If they only add new rewards and place to unlock just to give new things to farm, then i don't think it is an engaging gameplay loop.

If they add more activities and ways to engage with the island, then there's a chance that it gets more entertaining in the future.

I really hope it won't be just more of the same stuff and i end up leaving once i buy what i'm interested in.
Give us reasons to stay there more than 15 minutes on a tuesday.

The most said we get new content in 6.3 for IS, but didn't they said it get's updated every 2 major patches so next will be 6.4?

After completing it and getting everything there is to buy, it's an easy way to get those rarer dyes from Ishgard restoration by visiting the island once a week. It's not ongoing content but neither are many other types of content where once you have the rewards it's over.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I feel like people only say these things about casual content, which is funny.

"Well, I already cleared savage and got my BiS. What else is there to do, other than grind out more gear I won't use?"

"I already finished the PvP season rewards. What else is there to do but grind out wolf marks for no reason?"

You can apply this mindset to any content in the game.

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This is because battle content, by its very nature, can fallback on gameplay interaction. You have to play your job and react to the environment in the moment even if it's the same loop every time. Something like Island Sanctuary doesn't have such a luxury since your interactions are limited to what are essentially spread sheets. Gathering more Island Stones won't change the gameplay loop.

Savage, in particular, keeps itself alive due to a certain website which appeals to a good portion of its target audience. Once you've collected all the rewards from Island Sanctuary. There's nothing to keep you going back. This isn't unique to that content either. A lot of casual content suffers in this regard. FFXIV as a whole has always struggled with longevity. You either have to like a large amount of everything or you'll run out of things to do.

Congratulations, you've beaten island sanctuary. Wait 6 month at least for minor updates.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

This is because battle content, by its very nature, can fallback on gameplay interaction. You have to play your job and react to the environment in the moment even if it's the same loop every time. Something like Island Sanctuary doesn't have such a luxury since your interactions are limited to what are essentially spread sheets. Gathering more Island Stones won't change the gameplay loop.

Savage, in particular, keeps itself alive due to a certain website which appeals to a good portion of its target audience. Once you've collected all the rewards from Island Sanctuary. There's nothing to keep you going back. This isn't unique to that content either. A lot of casual content suffers in this regard. FFXIV as a whole has always struggled with longevity. You either have to like a large amount of everything or you'll run out of things to do.

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I kind of doubt its that significant a group doing speed/parse runs.

There's probably more groups selling clears than that

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Originally Posted by Iscah

There's a middle ground.

I feel like the "white knight" label gets thrown as soon as anyone says they like any part of the game. In a discussion on the story I might get labelled a white knight, but here I am quite frustrated with other aspects of the game. People have to be able to give positive feedback as well as negative.

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You do have to admit that the reason the term white knight gets throw around so much is exactly because there are a lot of people willing to ignore issues in the game and decry anyone who dares to bring up issues with said game. The amount of Stockholm syndrome in the modern MMO is disconcerting to say the least, though FOMO games are a prime target for this particular issue. You want the term to go away? Teach people to think critically. Good luck with that one, lol.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

You do have to admit that the reason the term white knight gets throw around so much is exactly because there are a lot of people willing to ignore issues in the game and decry anyone who dares to bring up issues with said game. The amount of Stockholm syndrome in the modern MMO is disconcerting to say the least, though FOMO games are a prime target for this particular issue. You want the term to go away? Teach people to think critically. Good luck with that one, lol.

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You just proved her point.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

You just proved her point.

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Cool reasoning m8. I can use your quote in it's entirety as a point why the term white knight has been abused to the point it's like calling someone you disagree with a racist, lmao.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I kind of doubt its that significant a group doing speed/parse runs.

There's probably more groups selling clears than that

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I never said anything about speed or parse runs. Even people below that tier still look to shoot for numbers. They simply don't care to the extent the parse groups do. Either way, it's what keeps Savage alive.

And you're vastly overestimating how many people sell content if you think there are more sale groups than parse groups.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

Cool reasoning m8. I can use your quote in it's entirety as a point why the term white knight has been abused to the point it's like calling someone you disagree with a racist, lmao.

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Here,

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You do have to admit that the reason the term white knight gets throw around so much is exactly because there are a lot of people willing to ignore issues in the game and decry anyone who dares to bring up issues with said game. The amount of Stockholm syndrome in the modern MMO is disconcerting to say the least, though FOMO games are a prime target for this particular issue. You want the term to go away? Teach people to think critically. Good luck with that one, lol.

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(summarizing) "white knight gets used because people ignore the issues, and don't critically think about the game" (so, white knights get called white knights because they're white knights)

her:

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I feel like the "white knight" label gets thrown as soon as anyone says they like any part of the game. In a discussion on the story I might get labelled a white knight, but here I am quite frustrated with other aspects of the game. People have to be able to give positive feedback as well as negative.

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(again summarizing) "the term white knight is thrown around even when people disagree with certain aspects of the game, but love other parts of it. That doesn't make someone a 'white knight'"

She tried to have some nuance, and you went straight to "well, have some critical thinking then". You proved her point.

Is that better?

If everything is overdone and an endless grind so that those hardcore grinders have months of content, it will become impossible to complete for those that are only playing the game for a few hours a week. And those probably are the bigger group of players in the game.

This is side content. One of the many side activities in this game. If it takes too long to do it then people will either drop it or not try out other content. Now at least you can get everything you want in a reasonable amount of time and wont be forced to still do it when for example the relic releases.

I am also max rank and I also got the motorcycle. I play it less than I did at the start but I still visit it everytime I log in. Sometimes I will just simply relax there and chat a bit with friends. Other times I just do the necessary tasks and then do some old ARR relic. Its great to slowly but steadily build up my currency and I since I want a lot of the stuff there, I will have weeks left to gather it.

Honestly what would you have wanted that would have made it much better? Truthfully how many animals can you care for and how many crops can you plant until even that gets boring? The only part where it could have kept the players active for quite a long time would have been, to make it a personal housing zone.(IMO) But it was never promised to be that. We still have to look at it realistically and see that its just one side activity and not its own farming main game.

now what kupo <3 ? get some sun kupo <3 lol jk jk

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

I think Yoshida once again underestimated the game's own playerbase. You really werent supposed to grind it out but the idea is that they'll be updating IS within the content patch cycle so you spread out your time with it accordingly.

This is why I havent worked on mines yet at all. Ive been busy doing other things and catch up since I knew the incentive to get max level wasnt going to be worth it from launch since there wouldnt be much content to it until it gets improved and expanded.

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I think Yoshida was well aware of how IS was going to be received, and you don't even have to grind it out to finish it. I got to max level with it within 2 weeks of very light play. It's why it was said many times to temper expectations, and many players had this idea that it would somehow be an instanced solution to the housing crisis. Well before IS came out I called it novelty content, and that is exactly what it is.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I think Yoshida was well aware of how IS was going to be received, and you don't even have to grind it out to finish it. I got to max level with it within 2 weeks of very light play. It's why it was said many times to temper expectations, and many players had this idea that it would somehow be an instanced solution to the housing crisis. Well before IS came out I called it novelty content, and that is exactly what it is.

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There are times when I feel that he's fully aware of a situation, but a lot of times I feel there's a huge disconnect between him and the player base. It's honestly a bit of a toss-up every time a patch launches. Does he get it, or doesn't he? It could go either way. How he responds after the fact is usually a good indicator though.

Or this could be one of those situations where the content is being received differently by the NA player compared to the JP player base.

Evidently they're thrilled with the mammets and having a good time. I'm having a good time with my island but think it would be even better without the mammets.

Players are not a hive mind. They're looking for different things. If you only find combat content entertaining, then IS clearly is not intended for you since it lacks combat. Of course you will end up bored. Fortunately, the game has plenty of combat content and the new Variant/Criterion dungeons are coming in a few weeks so you'll be getting new content (hopefully) more to your liking.

IS works for those who appreciate it for what it is instead of trying to hold it to standards appropriate for a standalone game despite the repeated warnings we were given.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Or this could be one of those situations where the content is being received differently by the NA player compared to the JP player base.

Evidently they're thrilled with the mammets and having a good time. I'm having a good time with my island but think it would be even better without the mammets.

Players are not a hive mind. They're looking for different things. If you only find combat content entertaining, then IS clearly is not intended for you since it lacks combat. Of course you will end up bored. Fortunately, the game has plenty of combat content and the new Variant/Criterion dungeons are coming in a few weeks so you'll be getting new content (hopefully) more to your liking.

IS works for those who appreciate it for what it is instead of trying to hold it to standards appropriate for a standalone game despite the repeated warnings we were given.

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Yeah, IS is no Harvest Moon or Rune Factory, but I enjoy it for what it is. I do think it could be improved though, and hopefully they waste little time in doing so. Timely additions to side content and swift QoL changes aren't what they are known for though, so I'm a bit concerned.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Or this could be one of those situations where the content is being received differently by the NA player compared to the JP player base.

Evidently they're thrilled with the mammets and having a good time. I'm having a good time with my island but think it would be even better without the mammets.

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Evidently who is thrilled with the mammets? Based on what evidence?

In one of the other threads on the island sanctuary, someone had gone to see what people were posting in the Japanese forums, and said some there were expressing the same frustrations that we were about the overload of mammets. I can't remember the rest of it but it's definitely not just "they're happy and we aren't".

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

IS works for those who appreciate it for what it is instead of trying to hold it to standards appropriate for a standalone game despite the repeated warnings we were given.

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This is about as disingenuous as it gets. I was telling people months ago not to get hyped for IS because it wouldn't be housing/etc. I went into IS myself with zero expectations, and I was somehow still disappointed.

As for the community at large, well...when you present something as a major feature of an expansion, you don't get to be surprised if people are unhappy when it doesn't deliver.

I said this before it came out. It is just a mini-game inside the game, nothing more. I dunno what people were expecting from it, but the hype around it was completely misplaced.

The only reason I started to grind it now is because of the mounts, when I get them I never touch it ever again.

Here are the things that annoy me even though I had no intention of playing this content to begin with:
- Lack of creativity allowed around my "dream" that the guide keeps reminds me to fulfill.
- Inability to listen to music when I am not in my sanctuary.
- Inability to keep the music going on, and needing to every time reset the music. Like this is just an "inn-room"... I thought this is my "dream fulfilled" :P
- Inability for other players to HEAR the music I set in my sanctuary.
- Inability to invite friends who ain't 90.

This is a solo minigame, this is what I expected it to be, and it did not disappoint. But again, why would I play an mmo to play a solo player mini-game in it, when there are better games like this out there. If it had no mount, I would never touch it and I genuinely do not enjoy it. But if I want the mount I gotta push on it.

And no, I am not saying all other mounts you can get in the game are enjoyable to get (like the triple triad one). But to be fair, that card looks freaking awful :D the mandragoras are cute.

If there are people who love it, good for them. Personally its a big pain in the ass.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

IS works for those who appreciate it for what it is instead of trying to hold it to standards appropriate for a standalone game despite the repeated warnings we were given.

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I should add that I have never played Animal Crossing or any of the other games we were told not to compare it to.

I went into it on the sole expectation of what had been shown to us in the promos for the island itself – "slow life, build a farm, take care of animals and watch your minions run loose" – and I am utterly perplexed by how they started with that concept and ended up with "build a mammet factory and run it via spreadsheet" while making the farm aspect extremely limited.

I don't think I'd even be so disappointed if they set out from the start for it to be a mammet factory, and didn't waste the tropical island setting on such an industrial concept.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Or this could be one of those situations where the content is being received differently by the NA player compared to the JP player base.

Evidently they're thrilled with the mammets and having a good time. I'm having a good time with my island but think it would be even better without the mammets.

Players are not a hive mind. They're looking for different things. If you only find combat content entertaining, then IS clearly is not intended for you since it lacks combat. Of course you will end up bored. Fortunately, the game has plenty of combat content and the new Variant/Criterion dungeons are coming in a few weeks so you'll be getting new content (hopefully) more to your liking.

IS works for those who appreciate it for what it is instead of trying to hold it to standards appropriate for a standalone game despite the repeated warnings we were given.

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What is there to appreciate once you are done with it ?

Now is a good time to stop finding excuses for the sorry excuse of a "content" that is islands

It was a nice distraction for a while but not the most engaging content. Still need 1 mount and some smaller stuff and I can forget it exists until possible update.