Is there any job that's actually happy and satisfied in EW?

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I think the problem with that is it runs into the current MNK problem, if you have a mostly complete kit at 60 then just get a few filler buttons and potency upgrades then the job feels boring to level for any level above the “roughly complete rotation” level, I think something like SAM does it mostly best, the rotation isn’t even close to complete at 50 but you can still do enough to generate a midare which is kinda the core of SAM’s damage rotation outside its bloated level 90 burst

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Ironically summoner was the gold standard last expansion. At 50 the dots and basic pet management were there, 60 had dwt and deathflare, 70 summoning bahamut, 80 leaning into ruin4 and the second demi. Frankly to lose that for a job that doesn’t change past the mid 20s speaks volumes about the design team.

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Originally Posted by Argyle_Darkheart

I think people are pretty happy with SGE, even if it could use a little bit of a damage bump.

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Not realy. Sage receives such little features for an EW released class. It feels like a complete waste. From lvl 76 to 90 SGE feels exactly the same. And the reason for lvl 76 is because there you at least get some extra healing tools that can alter your rotation.

While SCH also doesnt get a lot, Protraction can at least still be used in the rotation for healing to save some casts somewhere else and optimize the healing potential.

And yes, SGE gets a dps ability at lvl 90... yet healers still hit as a wet noodle to begin with. And for a DPS oriented healer... 330 potency is a joke. WHM gets one of over 1000+ potency at lvl 74... Why doesnt sge get to see such numbers?

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Originally Posted by UkcsAlias

Not realy. Sage receives such little features for an EW released class. It feels like a complete waste. From lvl 76 to 90 SGE feels exactly the same. And the reason for lvl 76 is because there you at least get some extra healing tools that can alter your rotation.

While SCH also doesnt get a lot, Protraction can at least still be used in the rotation for healing to save some casts somewhere else and optimize the healing potential.

And yes, SGE gets a dps ability at lvl 90... yet healers still hit as a wet noodle to begin with. And for a DPS oriented healer... 330 potency is a joke. WHM gets one of over 1000+ potency at lvl 74... Why doesnt sge get to see such numbers?

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While I agree with your overall point misery is functionally 310 rather than 1240 because of the way lilys work but otherwise yes, “DPS healer” ie different coat of paint on eos and otherwise same design as the other 3

SGE is a great EW healer, too bad EW healers are all hot garbage

i like my jobs they do what i need them to do so i am happy with my jobs.

Happy with Warrior, DRK, GNB, SAM, NIN, DNC, SMN, WHM, SCH, SGE

Technically, I'm happy with my main job, Warrior, because of the aesthetic (love love axes and the berserker feel) and the mitigation is fun. I love just being this superbeast in dungeons and going from near critical health to full is always satisfying. Also, I don't mind its simple rotation either (I started in the expanded free trial so I did not get to experience the Warrior of the past). However, there are sadly issues I have with it that prevents me from fully enjoying it. The lose of Overpower cone was one thing I loathed but I'm not too pleased on how its gauge is just a Fell Cleave/Decimate gauge. I like simple jobs but I just feel it's too simple even if it means more Fell Cleaves not from burst. Also, Warrior was def lacking in DPS, which does slightly sour my opinion on it.

DRK needs less damage more self sustain
Warrior needs more damage less self sustain
Paladin needs more damage
I don't play gunblade.

Samurai is fine and fun.
Reaper could use a little more complexity in its super boring rotation.

this is my 2 cents take it or leave it.

I only keep playing SMN because I still hope that they will revert some of the extreme simplistic play style, but loosing hope fast. It’s extremely boring play style and am still gutted they destroyed my beloved class.

I considered changing my main but with the hot mess at the moment of completely revamping classes to a completely other play style I just do not trust them anymore to not also completely change that class after i fully leveled and equipped the class. Which will probably make me ragequit the game completely.

So just taking extend breaks from time to time hoping that maybe in the future they will realize that the constant over simplifying of the classes was a mistake.

What DRK need is an actual rotation/mechanics...

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Some people (maybe most) who are happy with their job(s) won't say so on the forums either because they don't bother with the forums or don't want the abuse that comes from admitting you are happy with almost any aspect of the game.

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This.

I main WHM, SCH, and SGE collectively, and if I say I like them over on the healer forum, I get demolished, called bad, people go to the abacus and try to critique my logs that other people uploaded (I don't run add-ons and genuinely try my best and read stuff like Balance but don't record or upload stuff myself) and so on, all because I dared to disagree that the game is hot garbage and the healing role and all Jobs in it is dying and every healer either hates the role or is a bad player wanting free carries, etc etc.

I'm not sure if it's that way everywhere, but it seems on the forums if you don't hate the game, you're attacked for saying so.

So at the risk of being attacked:

Post-6.1 changes, WHMs seem pretty happy, SCHs seem pretty happy, SGEs seem at least content, and ASTs seem pretty happy. Outside of the forums, that is. If you set aside the general dislike of one-button-spam, most healers seem to like how their Job functions okay.

Most of the Tanks seem to be well liked, though by different people. What I mean by that is that players seem to have a strong like of one and dislike of others. PLDs find WARs boring but seem to enjoy their overall rotation including its wonk since that gives them opportunities to optimize. WARs like going unga bunga with a straightforward and functional system that just works. GNBs like having their rigid and high speed rotation and are happy now that Continuation skills have a bit of range for moving the boss, though some were a bit annoyed that Bloodfest was changed to the 2 min burst window (which PLD mains are terrified their Job is going to be forced into next. And DRKs are content with the Living Dead change and seem to like being dance partnered in their burst phases, even if down sinking for roulette content is less than enjoyable to many.

DRGs seem to like their Job, and I haven't seen a lot of complaints from NINs after the Fleeting/Forked change. Though a caveat with NIN is that a lot of people aren't super happy with the Trick/Mug change...

DNC and BRD I haven't heard complaints from. MCH is a different story...for good reason.

BLM, RDM, and (though this one is a mixed bag) SMN players who DO like the SMN rework (or are new SMNs who enjoy it/picked up the Job post-rework) all seem to enjoy their Jobs and class fantasy, they just dislike the balance/tuning numbers right now in the case of RDM and SMN.

So at the least, a good chunk of healers, all the tanks, DRG, NIN, DNC, BRD, BLM and arguably RDM and SMN seem to be happy and satisfied with their Job.

We really need an updated "Job satisfaction" survey. The most recent one seems to be from 5.25 or something ridiculous like that, and so much has changed since then...

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EDIT: I think the big thing here is realizing how diverse the community is, even among players of a single Job. Some WHMs love WHM, while some others hate it being braindead. Some SMNs hate SMN, but others LOVE it being easy and straightforward and summoning the big boys to fight for them. Even within a Job, you're going to get a lot of variation.

So I get the "on the whole/which Jobs do a majority of players who play/main them enjoy" is more an average/aggregate thing. I think my answer above is probably a rough ballpark for that.

People don't like having things taken from them. Taking without giving is tantamount to theft, taking and giving something with low value (perceived or actual) is ripping off, and taking while providing something satisfactory in exchange is a fair trade. It's subjective where you draw those lines, but worth bearing in mind when discussing jobs changing over time.

Dragoon mains are cowering in fear of their impending lobotomy. I can't wait to see what part of my favorite melee DPS they slice off to make the new melee DPS in 7.0 :).

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Originally Posted by Videra

Dragoon mains are cowering in fear of their impending lobotomy. I can't wait to see what part of my favorite melee DPS they slice off to make the new melee DPS in 7.0 :).

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My guess would be on completely removing your Chaos Thrust combo, so all you're left with is True-> Vorpal-> Full Thrust and then they'll probably turn Life of the Dragon into Enshroud 2.0 where you do 4 Nastronds and finish it with Stardiver.
Welcome to modern job design.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

My guess would be on completely removing your Chaos Thrust combo, so all you're left with is True-> Vorpal-> Full Thrust and then they'll probably turn Life of the Dragon into Enshroud 2.0 where you do 4 Nastronds and finish it with Stardiver.
Welcome to modern job design.

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If they remove Ala Morn only two years after giving it to me, I will actually go sicko mode.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Some people (maybe most) who are happy with their job(s) won't say so on the forums either because they don't bother with the forums or don't want the abuse that comes from admitting you are happy with almost any aspect of the game.

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I'm extremely happy with WAR, quite happy with DRG, PLD, and RDM, and mostly happy with BRD. I'm just now dipping my toes into DRK and am enjoying it so far. To be honest, I'm very happy with the entire state of the game as it stands today.

Yes, I'm casual AF and have a low skill cap thanks to certain limitations. That being said, I pretty much no-life the game and do just fine the normal/DR/DF stuff I do, so even if my opinion doesn't actually count since I don't do EX or harder, at least it's an opinion borne of experience.

I think job design is one of the better things about this game. Some people even like the boring jobs because low activity works for their style or skill level. The problems imo are the content you can play with your jobs. The engine just feels so old and they've shown us everything they are going to do with it by now. I don't think ff xiv will be the vehicle to push MMOs to another level any time in the future. It's just a business now; no reason to innovate or take risks when the established model is successful for the company.

DRG/GNB are off the chain, MCH is a blast in PvP, and I've been enjoying playing the shield healers casually. Don't play the rest enough to have an opinion.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

My guess would be on completely removing your Chaos Thrust combo, so all you're left with is True-> Vorpal-> Full Thrust and then they'll probably turn Life of the Dragon into Enshroud 2.0 where you do 4 Nastronds and finish it with Stardiver.
Welcome to modern job design.

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Damn imagine if that's what they decided to do. It sounds so cringe but it's very possible. Bad taste in my mouth.

Honestly Warrior potencies aside it feels good to play. And Gunbreaker also very good feels

I was fine with SAM at launch....not so much now lol. I can't comment on pre EW black mage, but I'm currently loving the job. It feels significantly more rewarding than any of the other jobs I have at 90.

I do want Paladin and Warrior to get bumped up but i fear especially for Paladin a lost off job fantasy and unique play style in pursuit of conforming to burst meta

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Originally Posted by Sani2341

Yeah.
They took our aggromanagement duties and replaced them with nothing.

Which, granted, makes Tanking easier, but also takes out engagement.

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Of all the criticisms I have towards tanking and the job design in general, this isn't one of them. Aggro management was never engaging for tanks. You pulled with stance and swapped without three GCDs afterward; never to turn it on again. My only amusement was the sheer number of Samurai, Monks and Black Mage who became my "Rampart" button because they refused to learn what Diversion did. All in all though, aggro was not something tanks did much of in Stormblood.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Of all the criticisms I have towards tanking and the job design in general, this isn't one of them. Aggro management was never engaging for tanks. You pulled with stance and swapped without three GCDs afterward; never to turn it on again. My only amusement was the sheer number of Samurai, Monks and Black Mage who became my "Rampart" button because they refused to learn what Diversion did. All in all though, aggro was not something tanks did much of in Stormblood.

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Oh man, I completely forgot this game used to have aggro dumps for dps lmao.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Of all the criticisms I have towards tanking and the job design in general, this isn't one of them. Aggro management was never engaging for tanks. You pulled with stance and swapped without three GCDs afterward; never to turn it on again. My only amusement was the sheer number of Samurai, Monks and Black Mage who became my "Rampart" button because they refused to learn what Diversion did. All in all though, aggro was not something tanks did much of in Stormblood.

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I remember early in SB when no one was geared, RDMs were ripping aggro so easily with their Contra Sixte on dungeon AoE pulls. They had to buff enmity on tank stance a lot lol

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Originally Posted by Mithron

I remember early in SB when no one was geared, RDMs were ripping aggro so easily with their Contra Sixte on dungeon AoE pulls. They had to buff enmity on tank stance a lot lol

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Also Dancer dances. The potency of standard step at the level they were was absurd. It was a lot of fun.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Of all the criticisms I have towards tanking and the job design in general, this isn't one of them. Aggro management was never engaging for tanks. You pulled with stance and swapped without three GCDs afterward; never to turn it on again. My only amusement was the sheer number of Samurai, Monks and Black Mage who became my "Rampart" button because they refused to learn what Diversion did. All in all though, aggro was not something tanks did much of in Stormblood.

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The same in HW, same tactic Ninja feeding enmity.

ARR everyone was too new then.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

SCH is only happy if you only started SCH in ShB or later, otherwise it’s still a modern healer that got gutted from the single best job the game has probably ever had

I’d give the “probably most satisfied with their job” to MNK mains

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*Raises hand* Started SCH in SB. Enjoyed it then. Love it now :) Perhaps refrain from speaking in absolutes? ;)

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Of all the criticisms I have towards tanking and the job design in general, this isn't one of them. Aggro management was never engaging for tanks. You pulled with stance and swapped without three GCDs afterward; never to turn it on again. My only amusement was the sheer number of Samurai, Monks and Black Mage who became my "Rampart" button because they refused to learn what Diversion did. All in all though, aggro was not something tanks did much of in Stormblood.

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While it was basically a non-existent mechanic for tanks (...well, for warrior and dark knight, for paladin is was pure misery) it served a different important purpose.

As you said there was a huge amount of dps players who didn't know they had Diversion and enmity taught them that they have buttons besides "hurr durr big number" that they need to press lol.

The fishers seem to be pretty content.

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

The fishers seem to be pretty content.

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FSH are weirdos, everybody knows that. I mean look at how willing they are to do a complicated minigame for rewards that have no use elsewhere in the game. :p

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Some people (maybe most) who are happy with their job(s) won't say so on the forums either because they don't bother with the forums or don't want the abuse that comes from admitting you are happy with almost any aspect of the game. So don't be surprised if you don't get much in the way of useful responses to your question.

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Or maybe, most people are unhappy.

The forums are a privilege, because you have to be subbed to the game to use it. This isn't a "Most people on the forums don't play the game" situation. EVERY person on the forums HAS to play to a degree, or you cannot post.
(Even though I don't play it that much......due to not being satisfied with any of the jobs)

To your point, how many actually got to EW? Not me.......So maybe I have no business posting about EW LOL, but as for the jobs as a guy who owns EW? I think they all suck, except maybe 1 or 2 are playable to me....Just me personally.

I come around for events; rarely updates, and usually end up disappointed because I eventually have to complete the events....and play the actual jobs.......

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Originally Posted by MonsutaMan

Or maybe, most people are unhappy.

The forums are a privilege, because you have to be subbed to the game to use it. This isn't a "Most people on the forums don't play the game" situation. EVERY person on the forums HAS to play to a degree, or you cannot post.
(Even though I don't play it that much......due to not being satisfied with any of the jobs)

To your point, how many actually got to EW? Not me.......So maybe I have no business posting about EW LOL, but as for the jobs as a guy who owns EW? I think they all suck, except maybe 1 or 2 are playable to me....Just me personally.

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The large majority of people who play the game don't go near the forums.

I know it's probably not the best place to post this, but; I actually find Reaper to be a ton of fun right now. Yeah, the damage is a little low, but I really do like it.

Also, Red Mage is always a fun one, in my eyes.

I main WAR and I'm actually pretty satisfied with the job ngl. I know some people hate the simplicity but it's very comfy and the simplicity helps my ADHD brain to not be distracted and focus on mechanics better.
It also helps that I like the class fantasy of a Berserker.

I only came here to say...

...bring back Cleric Stance.

That is all.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

SCH is only happy if you only started SCH in ShB or later, otherwise it’s still a modern healer that got gutted from the single best job the game has probably ever had

I’d give the “probably most satisfied with their job” to MNK mains

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Oh Selene, how we miss you~

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Originally Posted by MonsutaMan

Or maybe, most people are unhappy.

The forums are a privilege, because you have to be subbed to the game to use it. This isn't a "Most people on the forums don't play the game" situation. EVERY person on the forums HAS to play to a degree, or you cannot post.
(Even though I don't play it that much......due to not being satisfied with any of the jobs)

To your point, how many actually got to EW? Not me.......So maybe I have no business posting about EW LOL, but as for the jobs as a guy who owns EW? I think they all suck, except maybe 1 or 2 are playable to me....Just me personally.

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Requiring a subscription to use the forums doesn't mean the vast majority -will- use it.

Based on the last unofficial census, the game is closing in on around 1mil active characters being played. If even 10% of them used the forums, threads would be getting created, posted in, etc constantly, rather than the relatively slow pace one can observe daily. You would also see a far more variety of faces commenting, rather than the exact same set of 4-10 negative nancies & 5-10 usual people arguing against them I see every day in the general discussion.

The simple reality is that by far and large, people who are content with the game will not mention it unless directly asked. After all, simply stating you love something about the game isn't conductive to discussion, whereas people criticisms and annoyances easily fuel discussion. People who are satisfied will be less inclined to go out to the forums and voice their opinion than someone who wants to see change within the game. Without an 'official' survey, nothing can be accurately said about whose a majority and whose a minority. Only Square knows, because they have literal petabytes of statistics that show the actual truths here.

After all, take a job like DRK, who was extremely controversial in SHB due to its extreme dumbing down of its kit and if you looked at the forums in isolation during that time, you would believe was a job no one liked and ultra despised. Yet there was a redditor created job satisfaction poll during 5.25, or a little under halfway through the expansion, where DRK scored a 3.92/5, or a little under 80% of DRK players / the majority of the players were satisfied with the job. https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...urvey_results/

Now of course, this is a limited sample size, but it does give a good insight into the reality that anyone who thinks their opinion speaks for the majority or that the forums is any indication of player satisfaction/dissatisfaction needs to get a reality check.

The only truth one can gleam from the forums is that people have opinions, both positive and negative. But who is majority and who is minority is only for Square Enix to know, and they'll continue using those statistics to steer the game design in favor of the majority who pays their bills.

I'm happy with Gunbreaker for tanking.

Sage is also alright for when I want to do some healing.

I don't DPS a lot, but I've generally used Red Mage as my default DPS since it came out, and I'd say the Endwalker version is my favourite.

I'm mostly happy with the jobs I play. I think most complaints boil down to players too focused on DPS numbers... which is important in many facets of the game. However, there is so much focus on it, that the jobs are becoming homogenized (cookie cutter, etc). It almost reminds me of that dungeon - the first level 90 dungeon, The Dead Ends. You know the one - there's those people that finally got their utopia (the last 3rd of the dungeon) and all they wanted was the sweet release of death.

That's where this game is going with balance. Eventually people will get their perfect balance... and then everyone will quit.

One of the few jobs I gave up in EW was RDM. The randomness of the procs was too much. It was NOT too much when RDM came out. That was still a timeframe when BRD had a lot of random procs that drove their entire priority system. And I think MCH still had their 1-2-3 bullet gauge procs. There were a few jobs like that - but now RDM is more or less the odd man out. It is a fun job to play, but I find myself having to stare at those hotbars more than I'd like.