LIMIT BREAK: It Needs A Re-Work

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

Yes it should, melee lb3 is basically rubbish and terribly overrated. People die in Alliance raids all the time and if the boss isn't nearly dead, heal lb3 is a dps gain even on 2 dps, because it prevents weakness.



Good. If your group needs melee lb3 to beat Savage, you aren't ready for Savage.

Melee lb3 makes Savage fights 5-6 seconds shorter. That's it. It's barely over 1% of the bosses health. A single death or bringing non-meta jobs will lose you more and no one cares. If your run is messy, heal lb3 is better, so melee lb3 only really shines on low death runs where your group are all just bad at their job.

Heal lb3 is amazing and tank lb3 is underrated and also very strong, but dps limit breaks could easily be cut.

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LOL. You lost me at "healer LB is a DPS gain".

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

This already happens. It's called Active Help and has 4 pages. People probably don't read or remember Active Help, but it doesn't mean the game doesn't explain what a limit break is. They can read the tooltip as well.

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Unless they changed it recently, none of the help windows that pop up so much as mention limit breaks.
To read the tooltip you first need to look at icon for limit break - and you are unlikely to even see that unless you actively search for it, which requires knowing it exists in the first place.

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Originally Posted by SweetestLily

LOL. You lost me at "healer LB is a DPS gain".

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But it's true. If rezzing multiple people without giving them the weakness debuff makes the team deal more dps than a melee LB, healer LB is a dps gain.

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

But it's true. If rezzing multiple people without giving them the weakness debuff makes the team deal more dps than a melee LB, healer LB is a dps gain.

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And not dying + melee lb is even more dps gain.

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

But it's true. If rezzing multiple people without giving them the weakness debuff makes the team deal more dps than a melee LB, healer LB is a dps gain.

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How about not dying at all is a DPS gain. His argument that you're trash if you use a melee LB3 but we're these supreme clearing gods if we use our healer LB3 to rez our multiple dead teammates who failed mechanics is the dumbest thing I've read here in a while, and that's very telling.

give feedback on what changes need to be made and wait for them to make up their minds about it.

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Originally Posted by SweetestLily

LOL. You lost me at "healer LB is a DPS gain".

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It is also great for memes on Youtube. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk9x5LfQYOc



Cheers

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

It is also great for memes on Youtube. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk9x5LfQYOc



Cheers

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This made me laugh so hard I just almost choked on my coffee LOL

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Originally Posted by SweetestLily

How about not dying at all is a DPS gain. His argument that you're trash if you use a melee LB3 but we're these supreme clearing gods if we use our healer LB3 to rez our multiple dead teammates who failed mechanics is the dumbest thing I've read here in a while, and that's very telling.

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I know I questioned focusing on using melee lb3 as measure of being ready for savage or not in this post but he literally does not say what you are claiming he said. You're getting worked up over a claim you've made up yourself.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

I know I questioned focusing on using melee lb3 as measure of being ready for savage or not in this post but he literally does not say what you are claiming he said. You're getting worked up over a claim you've made up yourself.

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LOL. Im not even going to bother.

The LB matters 0.01% of the time that a tank or healer LB saves a wipe. DPS using the limit break saves like 2 seconds of DPS. Your bard did absolutely nothing wrong, and when DPS uses the limit break, then that means the run was smooth and the LB literally wasn't needed. Again, a DPS limit break, at best, saves a few seconds of clear time. Splitting hairs about ranged vs. melee using it is a waste of your time and energy.

They should just add limit break usage in the novice hall and leave it at that. Doesn't take much to explain a player that it's shared and different with each job.

My only issue with the current Limit Break system is how Tank LB effectively exists as a "GOTCHA!" mechanic for how its completely worthless except in the 2 fights where its not.

New tanks are going to wipe to those fights every single time because, lets be real, they never used that shit before, and most likely never will again.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

My only issue with the current Limit Break system is how Tank LB effectively exists as a "GOTCHA!" mechanic for how its completely worthless except in the 2 fights where its not.

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I recognize this is nitpicking, but there are three fights in normal/story content where tank LB3 is "required": A12N, Seat of Sacrifice, and Endsinger. Though I grant only two of those are required for MSQ progression. (And while there are a few other instances where tank LB3 is relevant -- the alternate timeline in Dragonsong's Reprise, for instance -- they're all in higher-end content, and one assumes anyone venturing into savage or ultimate knows by then how limit breaks work.)

Still, I mention this because many, many players have done the Alexander raids by the time they get to Shadowbringers (and Seat of Sacrifice), so hypothetically the idea of using a tank LB to survive a mechanic is not unfamiliar to them. This is quite possibly not be true in practice, especially if they weren't the tanking at the time and so weren't paying attention to notice what was done to survive it. (Or if they did not in fact ever run the Alexander raid storyline.)

But I suspect the devs assumed people might already be familiar with the mechanic from back in A12N when they threw it in to SoS and Endsinger, and were just aiming for the Big Drama Moment in the fight narrative, rather than actually intending it as a "gotcha".

I agree that the system is a little stale.. I mean, it works but in the end - outside of healers and rare tank occasions - mechanically it is very uninspired.

I'm not even sure how it could be reworked without generating balancing problems, but I'd LOVE to see the LBs 1 and 2 having a custom animation instead of the generic ones. Maybe 1 and 2 could be the same thing, but the latter having more special effects.