Dream scenario: NieR Replicant trial crossover.

Nier already had a whole 24 man raid, meaning there was 3 massive cross over on 3 different patches.
And last patch we even got the mount. I think it's enough and time to move on to other cross over.

Especially after that final raid, area with big white cubes, most mechanics being in or sides dodge.

Not everyone likes Nier. I know it's very difficult to digest, but the game doesn't stick to everyone.

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Originally Posted by Flaws

I would love more NieR content in FFXIV. In fact I had made a thread suggesting a crossover event with NieR Reincarnation (https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...tion-Crossover) which is the mobile game as that game itself is having a crossover with FFXIV but it was received rather poorly here on the forum. It seemed like a lot of people are upset with the fact that the ShB alliance raid was "taken up" by the NieR Automata crossover so they basically don't want any more NieR content in the game of any kind. I'm personally a huge fan of NieR and I'm gonna take every possible bit of NieR content in FFXIV. The NieR raids are my favorite, the NieR glam is my favorite in the whole game.

I think another crossover with any of the NieR games would be amazing as long as its a side thing which doesn't take away from any of the "original" content so people don't get upset. I understand people who don't like it taking up original content from the game because they're not NieR fans, fine. But I don't understand the ones who are against it in general. Hell, even if they add some glams/weapons/mounts to the MogStation for real money I'd be fine with paying for them too. Literally any option is fine by me. I also don't think the "just go play nier" argument is valid as its entirely different because we want it in THIS game and we already know they're willing to do it. We usually just want glamour and mounts and most of us NieR fans are willing to pay real money for them anyway. And you can't say that NieR items "don't fit" in with FFXIV as we have all sorts of glam, weapons and mounts in the game, thats not really an argument either. The devs have decided that it fits so it fits.

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Long-term the Nier raids added content that will age much better with the game, I think significantly more people will continue using the Nier glam down the line than they will the glam from any other Raid ( the Pod mount is cool too ).

That said tho I kinda do get not being a fan of an entire Alliance Raid being dedicated to it, we do get other events that don't do that and I think in the future a Nier event would fit better there.
Nier is at least more relevant to FFXIV than most other games even tho it's kinda not relevant.
Because at least it's a SE published game.
A lot of other publishers do crossovers between their IP's too.

I was about to say that I'd like a Tomb Raider crossover and some Lara Croft glam but I now remembered they sold that IP off lol.
I think maybe people would be more receptive to other FF crossovers which has happened in the past, uh... Quite a lot infact.

only good part of the nier raid was the glamor.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

only good part of the nier raid was the glamor.

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I'd say the soundtrack and bosses were really cool, the environments got a bit repetitive tho.

My dream scenario: for this game to have confidence in itself and not have to shove in badly fitting crossovers at every available opportunity.

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Originally Posted by Lustre

My dream scenario: for this game to have confidence in itself and not have to shove in badly fitting crossovers at every available opportunity.

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I think this is a pretty severe overexaggeration, we haven't had that many crossovers over the years.
By that logic they'd be doing constant crossovers during holidays too.

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Originally Posted by Flaws

It seemed like a lot of people are upset with the fact that the ShB alliance raid was "taken up" by the NieR Automata crossover so they basically don't want any more NieR content in the game of any kind.

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A lot is because the horrible implementation left a really bad taste in people's mouths. We lost the chance to get relevant lore about the First or somewhere else on the Source in the Alliance raid for that expansion. That wouldn't have been as bad if Yoko Taro had remotely tried to connect the raid series to the setting. Even in the laziest way possible like saying this was the secret reason Ronka was so powerful or something. But he didn't even do that. He didn't care. He was probably forced into the crossover. So he completely phoned it in and disrespected this game and its players while doing so.

That's why I don't want to see a single thing related to any series he does in this game ever again. Even the new pod mount is too much. I want them to just let it die and focus on the things that enrich this game, not try to sell us other games.

We had a Nier crossover already and it wasn't good other than the glamours. I would like a Vagrant Story cause it is thematic to FFXIV since it takes place in Ivalice...and they are already using enemy/music from the game...so why not commit?

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Originally Posted by Renalt

We had a Nier crossover already and it wasn't good other than the glamours. I would like a Vagrant Story cause it is thematic to FFXIV since it takes place in Ivalice...and they are already using enemy/music from the game...so why not commit?

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That's pretty much a non-starter in an argument now
Practically anything could be thematic to some aspect of FFXIV now since there are so many sci-fi elements woven into the lore

Like people always seem forget that the dragons in this "fantasy" game are actually ancient aliens

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Originally Posted by Rowde

That's pretty much a non-starter in an argument now
Practically anything could be thematic to some aspect of FFXIV now since there are so many sci-fi elements woven into the lore

Like people always seem forget that the dragons in this "fantasy" game are actually ancient aliens

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Yeah well they are using the exact enemy types, music, and the location of Ivalice already. I don't see a reason other than perhaps license issues to not have it in the works.

the nier crossover is dead
long live the drakengard crossover

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Originally Posted by Lihtleita

the nier crossover is dead
long live the drakengard crossover

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Is drakengard 3 any good? Played the first one and it was... disappointing.

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Originally Posted by Celtil

Yeah, wasn't expecting such a generally toxic reaction to this, like I spit in everyone's cheerios. Maybe it's just the forums, idk, don't really see this type of behavior in the ffxiv subreddit all that often.

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Because the subreddit is filled with yes-men that will crucify you at the mention of any criticisms of the game, justified or not, constructive or not.


Anyways, did you really expect everyone to sit here and agree with you? It's a pretty valid opinion that many think that the Nier raids was enough of a crossover and that they don't want any more.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

A lot is because the horrible implementation left a really bad taste in people's mouths. We lost the chance to get relevant lore about the First or somewhere else on the Source in the Alliance raid for that expansion. That wouldn't have been as bad if Yoko Taro had remotely tried to connect the raid series to the setting.

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Given the heavy crossover nature of it, I don't mind it "not connecting to the setting" but it needed to be a coherent stand-alone narrative that was enjoyable to play, and it failed at that.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Given the heavy crossover nature of it, I don't mind it "not connecting to the setting" but it needed to be a coherent stand-alone narrative that was enjoyable to play, and it failed at that.

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If it were a one-off trial like Monster Hunter then it can get away with that. Not the alliance raid series of an expansion. Especially not how we've seen just about all of them connect back into the MSQ now.

And it was also an awful stand-alone narrative, if you even want to try to call it a narrative. I'd love to know the politics behind that because I can't imagine the XIV team looked at that and went "Yep, that'll work".

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

If it were a one-off trial like Monster Hunter then it can get away with that. Not the alliance raid series of an expansion. Especially not how we've seen just about all of them connect back into the MSQ now.

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It's more like... because it's a crossover that seems so disjointed from the fantasy setting of the First, and it's clearly being shoehorned in just because it needs to go somewhere, I don't particularly want to see it become a building block of this story's world.

Maybe if they went the route (as most of the other crossovers do here) of being a copy of the basic concept that fits into its transplanted setting, that would be okay – but it seems determined to be the real NieR universe crossing over into this one, and I really dislike the prospect of a whole second franchise with its own convoluted worldbuilding becoming an integral part of this game. Because of that, I prefer it to be as walled-off and disconnected as possible, and to not be acknowledged as canon outside of itself.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

It's more like... because it's a crossover that seems so disjointed from the fantasy setting of the First, and it's clearly being shoehorned in just because it needs to go somewhere, I don't particularly want to see it become a building block of this story's world.

Maybe if they went the route (as most of the other crossovers do here) of being a copy of the basic concept that fits into its transplanted setting, that would be okay – but it seems determined to be the real NieR universe crossing over into this one, and I really dislike the prospect of a whole second franchise with its own convoluted worldbuilding becoming an integral part of this game. Because of that, I prefer it to be as walled-off and disconnected as possible, and to not be acknowledged as canon outside of itself.

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Oh I don't want it connected to the lore of XIV either. I never wanted anything Nier related here but I at least wanted to see the same respect that was given the Crystal Tower and Ivalice connections. It also didn't necessarily have to be on the First. We could have gone back to the Source for the alliance raid and connected it to the Allagans or something. And you're right. The way it was done was like the real Nier crossing into XIV. We're not the dump game for Nier. XIV has its own lore and world-building and any crossover, even a temporary one, should respect that or never happen.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

Anyways, did you really expect everyone to sit here and agree with you? It's a pretty valid opinion that many think that the Nier raids was enough of a crossover and that they don't want any more.

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No, but I didn't expect people to take this post like I went to their house, spit in their cheerios and kicked their dogs. Especially when I prefaced it with "don't take this too seriously"

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Originally Posted by Celtil

Is drakengard 3 any good? Played the first one and it was... disappointing.

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It’s very good. :)

I hope they remaster the Drakengard trilogy. Yes including 2 which some don’t consider canon when it is… lol. It’s part of one of the timelines and it’s events occur after Drakengard’s ending A.

Yoko Taro did work on 2, just not as much as he did on both 1 & 3. Still it doesn’t mean it’s not canon.

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Originally Posted by Celtil

No, but I didn't expect people to take this post like I went to their house, spit in their cheerios and kicked their dogs. Especially when I prefaced it with "don't take this too seriously"

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Literally who is doing that?

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Originally Posted by Celtil

No, but I didn't expect people to take this post like I went to their house, spit in their cheerios and kicked their dogs.

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People aren't reacting like you did those things; they're reacting like you suggested – and continued to push over multiple posts – that we should get more of a thing that they didn't like.

Also, what change of response do you expect to elicit by saying "don't take it seriously"? Are you expecting that will somehow make people say it sounds like a good idea instead of a bad one? Why are you taking the responses so seriously if we're not supposed to take yours seriously?

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Originally Posted by Iscah

It's more like... because it's a crossover that seems so disjointed from the fantasy setting of the First, and it's clearly being shoehorned in just because it needs to go somewhere, I don't particularly want to see it become a building block of this story's world.

Maybe if they went the route (as most of the other crossovers do here) of being a copy of the basic concept that fits into its transplanted setting, that would be okay – but it seems determined to be the real NieR universe crossing over into this one, and I really dislike the prospect of a whole second franchise with its own convoluted worldbuilding becoming an integral part of this game. Because of that, I prefer it to be as walled-off and disconnected as possible, and to not be acknowledged as canon outside of itself.

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Again with the "fantasy" motif non-argument
Final Fantasy as a franchise has been weaving sci-fi and fantasy together in their mainline titles for decades now and FFXIV is no exception

The whole catalyst for ShB is because a bunch of scientists and engineers from an alternate timeline built a freaking time machine with allagan technology and traveled back through space and time to create an alternate history

Not an alternate shard a whole other alternate universe presumably with it's own shards and where the Ascians succeeded in their rejoinings and the WoL died
I keep hoping and hoping that it will be revealed that this was another Graha fib and we'll do something in the msq to send Graha back to the past and close the loop because you want to talk convoluted? dealing with a "many worlds" universe on top of the sundering of etheirys is arguably already one step more convoluted than the nier/drakengard universe since history could presumably infinitely diverge on any of the 14 shards in any universe

also eden is a major plot/lore point on the first
and while eden could be a primal we also definitely go inside eden and see it filled with the usual and familiar allagan tech
so the Flood of Light was also ostensibly caused by sci-fi space wizards mis-using science and magic

and the final sci-fi element I'd like to address is the dwarf tribal quest culminating in the creation and assembly of a freaking a modern/sci-fi/steampunk laser tank
completed separate from the nier tech but definitely utilizing allagan tech via the CT knowledge (which technically shouldn't be there)


So a Puppet's Bunker crashed on the First somehow and unleashed androids on the local populace? Sure
What isn't on the table when dealing with a many worlds universe?

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Originally Posted by Rowde

So a Puppet's Bunker crashed on the First somehow and unleashed androids on the local populace? Sure
What isn't on the table when dealing with a many worlds universe?

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Hey peter, remember the time a boss monster threw the Square-Enix building at the alliance? I wonder where she got that from.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

Hey peter, remember the time a boss monster threw the Square-Enix building at the alliance? I wonder where she got that from.

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Oh you want to talk about how that other sentient alien robot race made us fight a haunted train, a possessed painting, a war mech that augments it attacks with pixel art, and a god-power infused jester in the prior expansion cause I also wonder where it got the knowledge about those things from?

Some where in it's travels across teh multiverse i presume

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Originally Posted by Rowde

Oh you want to talk about how that other sentient alien robot race made us fight a haunted train, a possessed painting, a war mech that augments it attacks with pixel art , and a god-power infused jester in the prior expansion cause I also wonder where it got the knowledge about those things from

Some where in it's travels across teh multiverse i presume

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So the world of drakenguard and by extension our world is in the FFXIV multiverse? Why not, let's go full dissidia/KH. lol

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

So the world of drakenguard and by extension our world is in the FFXIV multiverse? Why not, let's go full dissidia/KH. lol

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It's already on the table lest you forgot that Y'shtola also finds Kefka "eerily familiar" implying she somehow retains some of her memories from her experience in Dissidia

I'm not saying that's the route I want them to with the story in the future
I'm saying that thumping fists on table and saying "but mah fantasy game" is an illogical argument since there have always been science fiction shenanigans in this story and in the entire franchise as a whole
They can literally insert anything from any of the other FF titles or SE IP wave their hands around and say "ALLLAAAAAGGGAAAANNNSSSS!" at this point

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Originally Posted by Rowde

It's already on the table lest you forgot that Y'shtola also finds Kefka "eerily familiar" implying she somehow retains some of her memories from her experience in Dissidia

I'm not saying that's the route I want them to with the story in the future
I'm saying that thumping fists on table and saying "but mah fantasy game" is an illogical argument since there have always been science fiction shenanigans in this story and in the entire franchise as a whole
They can literally insert anything from any of the other FF titles or SE IP wave their hands around and say "ALLLAAAAAGGGAAAANNNSSSS!" at this point

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It's not that i'm upset at the sci-fi setting and fantasy setting mixing, I like that. I just feel like outright plucking existing characters from older FF games feels cheap and lazy. I know FF games do that with characters like Cid and Gilgamesh but I feel like the new writers are taking that sentiment and running too far with it as opposed to creating an original, organic, universe peppered with established FF tropes. Molboros and crystals are FF tropes that can be interwoven into something new, slapping existing characters with their own motives into a new story that has nothing to do with the story of said characters feels cheap and makes the story feel like bad fanservice. That's my hot take though.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

So the world of drakenguard and by extension our world is in the FFXIV multiverse? Why not, let's go full dissidia/KH. lol

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Never go full KH. lol That is convolution solely for convolution's sake.