Stop Advertising Housing as a Feature

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

...Why the hell can't anyone get one if they invest enough time?

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But, they can. Absolutely.

How much time isn't known as RNG is the decider, but absolutely everyone has the same chance as everyone else on their chosen server to get one now. (Some servers are better than others, some guarantee immediate housing, some will be 7 years before you luck out)

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Originally Posted by Shibi

But, they can. Absolutely.

How much time isn't known as RNG is the decider, but absolutely everyone has the same chance as everyone else on their chosen server to get one now. (Some servers are better than others, some guarantee immediate housing, some will be 7 years before you luck out)

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God my desire to make personal attacks about intelligence is just spiking through the roof. But I won't. Cause bans.

No matter how much time a person puts in, getting a house is never guaranteed. You could spend a thousand thousand years trying to get a house and bad RNG will stop you.

That is not good game design. That is horrible game design. That is me hoping entire departments lose their jobs and never work in the game industry again bad game design.

You know what is good game design? Instanced housing.

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Originally Posted by Necrotica

God my desire to make personal attacks about intelligence is just spiking through the roof. But I won't. Cause bans.

No matter how much time a person puts in, getting a house is never guaranteed. You could spend a thousand thousand years trying to get a house and bad RNG will stop you.

That is not good game design. That is horrible game design. That is me hoping entire departments lose their jobs and never work in the game industry again bad game design.

You know what is good game design? Instanced housing.

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I know the feeling. So, I won't make them about you either hun.

We agree on instanced housing. We don't agree on the RNG though. The chances of losing on 40,500,000 rolls are as close to negligible as possible.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Are you saying that only that size and style of house shown in the picture counts as housing? Of course not. Only an idiot would think that the house shown in that picture was the only size and style of housing available.


There's also a lack of features available to small house vs. larger ones, and of features available to personal houses vs. FC houses. That doesn't mean SE should make large houses with all the features of FC houses available to anyone who wants one.


Not all housing is, only houses.
Why is anything prestige content? Because even though it isn't necessary or even particularly advantageous to have it (e.g., prestige mounts), some people want it enough to work long and hard to get it?
Yep.


Anyone can. It's been seven years since I first started playing this game, and I believe that under the present system, if I keep trying to obtain a medium personal lot for the next seven years, I'll get one. Especially after all the impatient people give up.

But that's not what you want, is it? You want anyone to be able get not just housing but a house whenever they want. Sorry, but that's not how prestige contents works in this game.

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being serious when i ask this. Are you really going to wait another 7 years to get a house in 14? With the current system it better than the previous but it could have been better. If they really wanted to, they can add instance housing in the game.

Keep in mind the following housing in this game is a commitment. As soon as you get your house you have to make sure you are in at least a few times in a 45 days time frame. Have to be sub. To top it off they can turn off the timer anytime when something major happens. And you can see how people get upset on both sides

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Originally Posted by Axxion

being serious when i ask this. Are you really going to wait another 7 years to get a house in 14?

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I probably won't have to.

Let's take as an example a plot with 300 entries into the lottery, and that at least one medium plot comes available each lottery (which may not be true, but just for this example). Let's say I place six bids each time, so I'll have one chance in 50 of winning.

The lottery happens every 9 days, and it's a Poisson process, so the expected time to me winning a plot under these conditions is 450 days: 15 months. Could be more, but could also be less.

The expected time invested, then, assuming that placing and retrieving six lottery entries take 15 minutes per lottery, is 13 hours total. I believe people grinding for ultra-rare mounts often spend more time that that doing it.

So odds are I'll get my housing plot way sooner than seven years, but as long as I am subscribed to the game, why not keep trying? It takes very little time, and costs me nothing until I win.

And as should be the case in any gambling one chooses to engage in, it'll be fun.

As to the commitment and demo timer, I've been through that already: both my spouse and I lost houses when we took a hiatus a few years ago. No big deal, and no tears were shed.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

I know the feeling. So, I won't make them about you either hun.

We agree on instanced housing. We don't agree on the RNG though. The chances of losing on 40,500,000 rolls are as close to negligible as possible.

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But no one is getting a chance to make 40,500,000 rolls.

They're getting at most 40 rolls a year under the lottery system and competing against dozens of players on each of those rolls (with the number they're competing against increasing as each available house is purchased).

It would be interesting to have someone who's good with statistical calculation share what are the chances of someone winning within 40 attempts if the initial roll is a 1 in 50 chance and the 40th roll a 1 in 500 chance.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Like the OP, your dishonest rhetoric revolves around apartments not being housing.

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It's your rhetoric that's dishonest here, because you know full well that apartments have extreme limitations and that actual neighborhood housing is what's advertised and what's being discussed in this thread. Please stop shifting the focus to an alternative people have already discussed and ruled out. Like someone else pointed out, there's literally a picture of a neighborhood style home in the advert for the game, with the word "housing" over it, so obviously people are going to expect it to be a system anyone can take advantage of. You know. Like every other MMO with a housing system.

Are you being paid to make these facetious arguments? Because that's how it comes across.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

But no one is getting a chance to make 40,500,000 rolls.

They're getting at most 40 rolls a year under the lottery system and competing against dozens of players on each of those rolls (with the number they're competing against increasing as each available house is purchased).

It would be interesting to have someone who's good with statistical calculation share what are the chances of someone winning within 40 attempts if the initial roll is a 1 in 50 chance and the 40th roll a 1 in 500 chance.

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These kinds of "well tEchNicALLy you'll win eVenTuaLly" arguments really make it hard to engage with people here on good faith. I swear most of them just got a home and come here to troll; there's no way anyone can be serious with this kind of logic. Not even worth engaging with imo.

Apartments & FC rooms are the same (except for price) & offer nothing but minimal decoration & a place to technically hide away from- I'm pretty sure people use it for other reasons but if it were anything close to a cottage size (200 items & storage limit) but upgradable features, it wouldn't feel like such a bad option to default to when desperate (not saying everyone who has one is desperate)

Sure, people have many reasons as to why the housing in FFXIV seems inadequate- Because housing in many other games is fun & open to all. In some instances, it's almost immediately available & other games it takes a small grind but still, anyone can have it.
Where as in FFXIV, it was only ever intended for FC's & has such a limited system to begin with but with the current as is: It's the lack of features when it comes to decorating & how limited again, the house plots, apartments & FC rooms already are

If apartments were improved by giving them more item space & storage, upgradable sizes & a roommate/ tenant it would be a step in the right direction for once when it comes to housing in FFXIV
I'm not saying the lotto didn't do anything, but what it did do is frustrate the players even more because it has felt halfway thought out when fully executed ex: the amount of FC wards vs the private house wards

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Originally Posted by k99

Housing is available to all players and has always been available to all players.
The game and it's staff have already long delivered on their promise that everyone has access to housing.

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What about when they promised there wouldn’t be any big prices attached to housing?

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

I'm not saying the lotto didn't do anything, but what it did do is frustrate the players even more because it has felt halfway thought out when fully executed ex: the amount of FC wards vs the private house wards

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I think more of the frustration comes from realizing what the actual demand for houses is compared to what we had been seeing when placard camping was involved.

"Oh there were usually only about 20 players clustered around a placard for a small, that's not that bad... what? why are there 80 entries per small now?? The demand wasn't that high before." Truth is the demand was there but few players had the luxury of being able to placard camp. Making things more difficult to obtain doesn't reduce demand; it reduces the number able to participate effectively.

Did SE overdo it with the FC wards? Yes, but they also wanted to make certain FCs are able to get a house because of the FC content specific to a house (workshops, grade 3 actions). The problem is those houses now sitting vacant because FCs lacking houses should now have one (even if it's not the specific plot/size they may want).

Empty houses only serve to frustrate the community that meets the requirements to purchase but are not allowed to.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

What about when they promised there wouldn’t be any big prices attached to housing?

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I'm not aware of any such promise but then there also aren't any big prices attached to apartments or houses right now. SE did away with the big prices a long time ago once they decided they had bled as much of the legacy gil out of the world economies as they could.

If you think 3 million gil is a lot of gil, I don't know what to say. There are plenty of ways to make gil. You just need to take advantage of them.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I think more of the frustration comes from realizing what the actual demand for houses is compared to what we had been seeing when placard camping was involved.

"Oh there were usually only about 20 players clustered around a placard for a small, that's not that bad... what? why are there 80 entries per small now?? The demand wasn't that high before." Truth is the demand was there but few players had the luxury of being able to placard camp. Making things more difficult to obtain doesn't reduce demand; it reduces the number able to participate effectively.

Did SE overdo it with the FC wards? Yes, but they also wanted to make certain FCs are able to get a house because of the FC content specific to a house (workshops, grade 3 actions). The problem is those houses now sitting vacant because FCs lacking houses should now have one (even if it's not the specific plot/size they may want).

Empty houses only serve to frustrate the community that meets the requirements to purchase but are not allowed to.


I'm not aware of any such promise but then there also aren't any big prices attached to apartments or houses right now. SE did away with the big prices a long time ago once they decided they had bled as much of the legacy gil out of the world economies as they could.

If you think 3 million gil is a lot of gil, I don't know what to say. There are plenty of ways to make gil. You just need to take advantage of them.

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Correct me if i’m wrong but a large is a few dozen mil. Not just 3 mil lmao.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Correct me if i’m wrong but a large is a few dozen mil. Not just 3 mil lmao.

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3 mil is the price of the lowest tiered small.
A Large house is somewhere between 47 mil to 50 mil lol

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

What about when they promised there wouldn’t be any big prices attached to housing?

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Housing was originally up to 625,000,000 for a large depending on your server and the grade. So it's been reduced a lot.

https://i.gyazo.com/d484799b0de0406d...90a807572d.png

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Housing was originally up to 625,000,000 for a large depending on your server and the grade. So it's been reduced a lot.

https://i.gyazo.com/d484799b0de0406d...90a807572d.png

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Whoa, that's INSANE! Was there a lot of excess Gil back in those days, Shibi?

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Originally Posted by Eraden

Whoa, that's INSANE! Was there a lot of excess Gil back in those days, Shibi?

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It wasn't so much about excess gil back then. But housing was initially designed as FC only. Housing was something entire FCs were supposed to grind out for.

SE had also stated that personal houses would be separate from FC houses.

However, SE did not deliver and mixed personal/FC houses.

We all know how that turned out.

Lowering the price of something highly in-demand while the gil faucets have grown significantly without any actual significant gil sinks :p

Wow. Well said. I'll stop complaining now. Housing is still frustrating, but what "grind" isn't? This makes me look at it with a different perspective. And when I finally get a house, it will be all the more rewarding. :) Thanks Silverbane!!

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Originally Posted by Eraden

Whoa, that's INSANE! Was there a lot of excess Gil back in those days, Shibi?

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There was a crazy amount of excess gil back then on the legacy servers (less so on the newer servers that were added when ARR was released). Players who had kept playing throughout the 1.x cycle ended up insanely rich.

Prices on some of the newer worlds weren't quite so bad though still more than we pay now. 4-5 million for a small, 15-18.75 million for a medium, 50-62.5 million for a large. Here are the patch notes that spelled out house prices by world:

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...7af43f3c43828a