The Hunt is full of early pullers and griefers

The question is always. Do you care about a good reputation? No? Then Just pull and watch people hate and mass report you and hate you even more because GMs will do nothing about it even after months of daily mass reports. Thats how it works, you make yourself a name, albeit a bad one but people know you. That works for some. It's still a kind of "fame". They are attention seeking bimbos and it works.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

This is a big complaint I have with it as well. Like, I like the idea of being able to play with friends on other servers. Great! And while I think you really should only be able to do things like the Hunt on your home server, that's not really fair either for the one guy who wants to hang out with friends.

The goal should be to encourage smaller groups to do them, and to discourage cross server trains but still allow for cross play.

I don't know what a fair solution is here, other than increase the spawn time so there's always an S mob up somewhere at any time. Maybe even have an NPC like the weather guy that tells you exactly what S mobs are up/time to next pop at any given time. At the same time those that pull as soon as they can will keep doing it.

Perhaps have the S mobs pop quickly, but a PC gets the drop/loot of any particular S mob only once per day.

For my wife/friends this is essentially dead content because even if we are in the area, we can't see the mob with all the people swarming, and with my wife being overly nervous/worried she just ends up dying to mechanics she can't even see.

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Should be as "easy" as making hunts something that a party, or alliance, can spawn as needed by doing X but can only take credit once per current respawn rates (can be added to timer and show as allowances like maps). Make A hunts doable with a 4 man party and S hunt with 8 but allow alliances to be form in order to speed things up. Of course keep regular spawns for those that still join hunt trains or whatever.

Anyway, a 5m invu window it's not going to solve anything IMO. Every time an entitled person miss a hunt will complain about early pulling. No matter how you explain to them that just because in their LS someone linked a hunt that doesn't mean is a new call and the original one happened 10m ago.

Failure to arrive at the hunt within two to three minutes of the initial callout is a personal problem, not an everyone else problem.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

Should be as "easy" as making hunts something that a party, or alliance, can spawn as needed by doing X but can only take credit once per current respawn rates (can be added to timer and show as allowances like maps). Make A hunts doable with a 4 man party and S hunt with 8 but allow alliances to be form in order to speed things up. Of course keep regular spawns for those that still join hunt trains or whatever.

Anyway, a 5m invu window it's not going to solve anything IMO. Every time an entitled person miss a hunt will complain about early pulling. No matter how you explain to them that just because in their LS someone linked a hunt that doesn't mean is a new call and the original one happened 10m ago.

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Agreed 5 min invuln is useless.

On the other idea of spawn-able hunt mobs, I like it as a new piece of content under the figurative Hunt umbrella separate from the core Hunt. There's something fun about stumbling upon mobs and grabbing your friends for a brawl.. which we can do with B and C ranks..sometimes As. Would be nice to be able to put together a small group randomly from people like we do FATES to tackle an S spawn.

That said, I wouldn't be against what you're describing. Not that it's up to me, hah.

Working as intended.

If you did not spawned the S rank you are absolutely not entitled to the kill. People have no obligation to share its spawn nor wait for your lazy ass sitting on a limsa bench to start the fight.

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Originally Posted by Sesera

If you did not spawned the S rank you are absolutely not entitled to the kill. People have no obligation to share its spawn nor wait for your lazy ass sitting on a limsa bench to start the fight.

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Your argument doesn't make any sense. Following your logic, the hunt is mine if I solely spawned it, and anyone else should wait for others to come if I wanted to. Of course, that's not going to happen in any case. A hunt will get pulled by someone whether the spawner willed it or not and the spawner will not get acknowledged in any terms beyond "Ty for spawn".
I will never understand why some people like you are defending pullers who're most of the time just sitting around, waiting for a hunt, and as soon as they arrive they pull it because they're too lazy to wait for someone else.

It is in ways amusing to notice it being accepted to grief others by many of the replies here, and least of all calling the op for toxic, for rising a question that has been an issue in most of FFXIV's lifetime.

Is there something we do not get to know from these who is pro early pull here, is there some god toolbox that is commonly used, since it is this much support for EP being eh OK? Like a 'Spawn Radar'?

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Originally Posted by Driavna

Should be as "easy" as making hunts something that a party, or alliance, can spawn as needed by doing X but can only take credit once per current respawn rates (can be added to timer and show as allowances like maps). Make A hunts doable with a 4 man party and S hunt with 8 but allow alliances to be form in order to speed things up. Of course keep regular spawns for those that still join hunt trains or whatever.

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I like this idea so long as it counts toward the achievements. I like that it's limited by respawn rates. People can still do Hunt trains but an alternative for groups kind of like the XII system where you need to be on the quest would be nice.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

It is in ways amusing to notice it being accepted to grief others by many of the replies here, and least of all calling the op for toxic, for rising a question that has been an issue in most of FFXIV's lifetime.

Is there something we do not get to know from these who is pro early pull here, is there some god toolbox that is commonly used, since it is this much support for EP being eh OK? Like a 'Spawn Radar'?

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There indeed is a third party add-on that will automatically detect S ranks spawns if a user is in the zone, then immediately relay to every single other user of said add-on. It is also linked to several similar add-ons, including some of the popular botting programs so that if any of those add-ons detect a hunt it will get relays from them as well.

It's created an abnormal environment where most S rank spawns are instantly known of by the entire data center's population of hunters and all the problems that entails; the most common one being that the add-on users get the relay several minutes before it can circulate through linkshells, one of them decides it's been long enough, then the mess of players resorting to more mundane methods of hunt relays miss out and get mad about the "early" pull.

I do feel like the Faloop hunt tracker has significantly improved the exposure of hunts for people who don't want to rely on the apps, though, as it both tracks timers and provides a convenient platform to relay spawns across the entire DC in such manner that people using the add-ons are not so strongly advantaged anymore.

There is no such thing as early pulls. Case closed. Next topic. Hopefully one that is a valid concern.

The only grief ,what if any at all (see what I did there.) is making people stand around while ppl need everyone playing to get there. Dont even get me started on how people expect ppl to wait for 5mins at every instance and zone or taking a 15min break halfway for A ranks trains which spawn way more. Like why? Reason I stopped doing trains. The hunt community needs to stop with wanting all their friends,family etc to get to every hunt. There will be more. You wont die if you miss some.

I've yet to meet a single person who was actively involved with spawning who doesn't think the current state of things sucks because it's easy to say there's nothing wrong if you're taking a totally hands-off, lackadaisical approach to the content, or worse, using one of the third party add-ons that generally make it impossible to not know when something has spawned ASAP.

I've been spawning S ranks since the first month I started playing the game and the system is actively unfun when there are trolls around trying to ruin it for everyone else, or even if something gets spawned and picked off randomly because then you're left taking shots in the dark for 20+ hours.

If they simply added a brief grace period before a S rank becomes attackable (If you can't wait a few bloody minutes to kill something that only shows up a few times a week, that's entirely a "you" issue) and also allowed you to check whether a S rank is on cooldown or if its window is open, that would solve basically every problem I have with the system presently.

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Originally Posted by Nyxs

The hunt community needs to stop with wanting all their friends,family etc to get to every hunt. There will be more. You wont die if you miss some.

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I don't see that part anywhere, people is politely told if pulled on time that it was called out 5 minutes before the death of the mob, with S ranks.

As for trains... well A Ranks in general, then trains should be made so not a possibility with asynch timers on A Ranks, meaning one spawns, another despawns...

For the family, friends and whatever thing... the thing you see is probably the speed of trains, which is not a player issue but SE issue, as the zones can't handle people logging into them but they can easy enough handle the number of players, seeen more than 600 people waiting for chi, as it just spawned, but the ability or spawn points is very few for each zone, which make zones congested by people with fast/slow loadtimes as funneling in, if you find a wait there, it is only fair and due to the servese inability to keep up.