Is the new housing notice saying you can keep your money and get the house?

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

I'm the only FC in ward 16 sub on Sophia. I hope they open those houses for private purchases soon as well although it doesn't appear that is going to happen this round as there is no mention of it. Even large plots there have no bids.

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To be fair it's kind of a similar situation with personals, at least on Zurvan. There are some wards that didn't even have half bid on.

oh boy inflation

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Originally Posted by Waschbaer

your answers are very contradictory and we are getting off topic here. you just can't accept that i would be happy with a reroll because it is fair. Either everyone gets their refund or everyone has to reroll. there is nothing in between. but i can't help but feel sorry for you but even more so for those around you.

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This would be the best solution yes, I'd also gladly give up my house for that.

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Originally Posted by Waschbaer

your answers are very contradictory and we are getting off topic here. you just can't accept that i would be happy with a reroll because it is fair. Either everyone gets their refund or everyone has to reroll. there is nothing in between. but i can't help but feel sorry for you but even more so for those around you.

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You know if it doesn't sit well with you you can just either drop the money to the NPC in 6.2 or you know just buy stuff for that money and discard it effectively deleting the Gil.

Personally I don't really care. People who were affected by#0 bug aren't at fault here and I do think it's a good way to compensate for it by SE. Nothing less, nothing more.

I can only hope what they mean is you can voluntarily pay for the house and therefore you can claim the land, otherwise you won't be penalized for having withdrawn your gil and not claim the house therefore it goes back into the lottery pool. My copium is that they are just getting rid of the 50% penalty for not claiming the house and giving you the option to not claim it if you decided you didn't want it, or you miss the period to claim it. In reality, I have no faith in SE to do anything properly so I imagine there will be a bunch of players getting free houses and I can't wait for that to be the next forum disaster and we can move past mods.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

If nothing else, would there not be third party companies who could be trusted and hired to dig through a set of data in order to work out who owes what?

I really, really do not want this situation being exploited down the road as an excuse to implement some sort of 'monthly rent' system for player houses because there's too much excess gil present in the economy...

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The simple solution was if the money was taken, require the money again to finalize.

Whatever your position regarding this issue is, whatever if it's unfair or not, the point I want you all to see is, this is the worst decision ever made, cause this decision makes the community confront each other. Similar to the 3rd party tools statement, because of a lazy decision SE is creating a bigger problem than before. I won't enter on the discusion if this decision is unfair or not, I just want to note that this can't be their final decision or the gates of hell will open upon the game, and 2 sides of the community will be confronting each other because of a bad decision made without thinking on the consequences.

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Originally Posted by Amenara

I can only hope what they mean is you can voluntarily pay for the house and therefore you can claim the land, otherwise you won't be penalized for having withdrawn your gil and not claim the house therefore it goes back into the lottery pool. My copium is that they are just getting rid of the 50% penalty for not claiming the house and giving you the option to not claim it if you decided you didn't want it, or you miss the period to claim it. In reality, I have no faith in SE to do anything properly so I imagine there will be a bunch of players getting free houses and I can't wait for that to be the next forum disaster and we can move past mods.

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Nah it seems that if you're a winner if the 0 bug plot you're considered it regardless of whether you kept your bid in or withdrew it.

They will however add in an NPC in 6.2 to which players that got they house for free can voluntarily pay the money. But that's just it - scout honor thing.

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Originally Posted by Waschbaer

your answers are very contradictory and we are getting off topic here. you just can't accept that i would be happy with a reroll because it is fair. Either everyone gets their refund or everyone has to reroll. there is nothing in between. but i can't help but feel sorry for you but even more so for those around you.

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To be fair, you can't accept either the outcome SE has taken. As you yourself seem to be very against it. There is no in between on that either, being more fair.

Also your responses have been very instigatory as well. You are trying to mask it behind taking a high road. But you reply in a way to continue inciting said responses that you're against, by which you claim to be getting off topic.

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Originally Posted by Jaquan

They will however add in an NPC in 6.2 to which players that got they house for free can voluntarily pay the money. But that's just it - scout honor thing.

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I mean it's nothing we can change now so I hope they at least do something with that like honor the people who actually did return the Gil or at least show us statistics of how many honest players we actually have, that would be interesting to see.
Because I'd assume it'll be less than 10%. I want to be proven wrong though.

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Originally Posted by Jaquan

Nah it seems that if you're a winner if the 0 bug plot you're considered it regardless of whether you kept your bid in or withdrew it.

They will however add in an NPC in 6.2 to which players that got they house for free can voluntarily pay the money. But that's just it - scout honor thing.

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Like I said, it was my copium about how they should do it to be fair to everyone. I have no faith in SE to do anything correctly so...

How could SE do this? One week, they enforced their own ToS, the next week, they apologised to players affected by a bug, and gave them the choice to give back the money if they feel guilty. Omg this companys like blizzard IM GONNA QUIT.

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Originally Posted by Waschbaer

I also have no faith in SE anymore, they will do what they have the least work with and lose subs one way or another. SE is knowingly dividing the community in the fronts of 3rd party tools and now housing. My guess is it since weeks, they will become the next blizzard and ruin their own game.

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Originally Posted by Amenara

Like I said, it was my copium about how they should do it to be fair to everyone. I have no faith in SE to do anything correctly so...

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It does feel that every week since the live letter for 6.1 there has been a new form of drama caused by SE's decisions.

It is a familiar feeling as another game, and not in a good way.

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Originally Posted by Waschbaer

your only contribution now is to stick up for your friend, yes very reasonable. whatever you say sweetie :3

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I never claimed to not know the person. But everything you've said in your previous responses now apply to you. Continuing to instigate and reply in a way that is toxic in and of itself.

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Originally Posted by Drass

I never claimed to not know the person. But everything you've said in your previous responses now apply to you. Continuing to instigate and reply in a way that is toxic in and of itself.

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Just ignore the fact that the person you obviously know instigated all of this originally and was jumping down the throat of multiple people for having an opinion. He could have stated his opinion calmly but instead resorted to personal attacks.

Let them fight their own battles instead of sending in you to do it instead. They should be willing to defend their own opinion just as everyone else is. If multiple people disagree with his way of speaking...welcome to the forum or any other public social media platform. Can't handle some people disagreeing with you and returning back what you're giving? Maybe don't say anything to begin with.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Just ignore the fact that the person you obviously know instigated all of this originally and was jumping down the throat of multiple people for having an opinion. He could have stated his opinion calmly but instead resorted to personal attacks.

Let them fight their own battles instead of sending in you to do it instead. They should be willing to defend their own opinion just as everyone else is. If multiple people disagree with his way of speaking...welcome to the forum.

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I was witnessing the thread. I have just as much of a right to my opinion on any subject here as you or they do. And the continued toxic responses from the other party didn't help at all either. And continues to not help. To which it was unwarranted towards myself, just because I pointed out their replies and the way in which they continue to go about them.

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Originally Posted by Drass

I was witnessing the thread. I have just as much of a right to my opinion on any subject here as you or they do. And the continued toxic responses from the other party didn't help at all either. And continues to not help. To which it was unwarranted towards myself, just because I pointed out their replies and the way in which they continue to go about them.

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Right, you do. Opinions are more than welcome. Just, like I said, if you can't handle people disagreeing with you, maybe don't say anything to begin with. Now it just looks like they sent in someone else to fight their battles.

The solution here is simple, give everyone from the first wave of plots that happened and failed miserably for a big part of the players, a free pass, everyone gets a house free, period. This is not right that only the people who had this bug get it free and the rest doesnt.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Right, you do. Opinions are more than welcome. Just, like I said, if you can't handle people disagreeing with you, maybe don't say anything to begin with. Now it just looks like they sent in someone else to fight their battles.

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That statement in itself is degrading to me and looks as if you are talking down to me for speaking up and pointing out that the other party involved instigated responses over and over (to which might not be the case, let me add. It just comes off that way to me). To which it clearly worked. Adding the emoticons and the wording in which they used wasn't warranted for somebody wanting to be neutral in the topic and the ongoing posts. Especially when pointing out that it was off topic. Something they themselves did not stick on. Which somewhat goes towards what you said about disagreeing and not saying anything to begin with.

The above post is all the proof I need for their behavior and knowing exactly how they choose to respond to incite such activity and responses out of forum posters. As well as knowing full well what they are trying to do in the process

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

It does feel that every week since the live letter for 6.1 there has been a new form of drama caused by SE's decisions.

It is a familiar feeling as another game, and not in a good way.

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And I'm getting the feeling the community just waited to start tearing themselves apart. From the past month the only real case I could get behind was SAM and even that got out of hand. The other ones? It's like we really waited for a chance to let out all the vitriol we kept behind smiles we show in game.

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Originally Posted by Drass

That statement in itself is degrading to me and looks as if you are talking down to me for speaking up and pointing out that the other party involved instigated responses over and over. To which it clearly worked. Adding the emoticons and the wording in which they used wasn't warranted for somebody wanting to be neutral in the topic and the ongoing posts. Especially when pointing out that it was off topic. Something they themselves did not stick on. Which somewhat goes towards what you said about disagreeing and not saying anything to begin with.

The above post is all the proof I need for their behavior and knowing exactly how they choose to respond to incite such activity and responses out of forum posters. As well as knowing full well what they are trying to do in the process

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All I saw was your boy calling people spoiled and a waste of time. Didn't see that coming out of anyone else's mouth. If someone else wants to treat them in kind, that's their business. I personally will throw back whatever is given to me, it's only fair. What gives them the right to be rude to others but expect others to not give the same treatment in return?

Appreciate your opinion on me though. c:

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

All I saw was your boy calling people spoiled and a waste of time. Didn't see that coming out of anyone else's mouth. If someone else wants to treat them in kind, that's their business. I personally will throw back whatever is given to me, it's only fair. What gives them the right to be rude to others but expect others to not give the same treatment in return?

Appreciate your opinion on me though. c:

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We should make a correction to that, in which he said the response was not worth the time. In which it was to be dropped until the other party decided to continue on with more baiting and emotes. Just as they have done to me. But I take it you are okay with their actions towards myself and do not see that as a problem, since i have not done anything to warrant such behavior thus far.

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Originally Posted by Jaquan

Nah it seems that if you're a winner if the 0 bug plot you're considered it regardless of whether you kept your bid in or withdrew it.

They will however add in an NPC in 6.2 to which players that got they house for free can voluntarily pay the money. But that's just it - scout honor thing.

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"Let me just throw those 50 mil gil at a vendor, for absolutely nothing at all, nothing in return, so I pay for the house I got for free"

Who is supposed to do this ?

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Originally Posted by Waschbaer

all you are trying to do here is make others look bad and just provoke, where is your contribution to the cause? that's right, there is none. so if you can't make a real contribution then don't. you are just like your friend, just trying to stir up trouble. that says everything about you. save yourself further attempts as i won't feed the troll any further :3 I had my point - do a complete reroll or give all a refund ♥

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Why do you feel the need to respond with emotes and talk down to others in a way in which you know it will incite the responses you have been given? And then play victim as if you have not been toxic in your replies? I haven't said a word to you on this that has warranted the responses you've given. And here you are. Doing what you previously did to somebody new.

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Originally Posted by Drass

We should make a correction to that, in which he said the response was not worth the time. In which it was to be dropped until the other party decided to continue on with more baiting and emotes. Just as they have done to me. But I take it you are okay with their actions towards myself and do not see that as a problem, since i have not done anything to warrant such behavior thus far.

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Okay, but bbgirl he could have been the bigger person and stopped replying too if he actually meant that. Just as I'm about to do to you since you're clearly here to carry on his fight and not contribute anything to the actual topic at hand.

If it was a waste of time to him, could have left it where it left and not carried it on further. No one *made* him reply to anything, he chose to. Same as you could have by not choosing to fight on for him. Oh well, choices.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Okay, but bbgirl he could have been the bigger person and stopped replying too if he actually meant that. Just as I'm about to do to you since you're clearly here to carry on his fight and not contribute anything to the actual topic at hand.

If it was a waste of time to him, could have left it where it left and not carried it on further. No one *made* him reply to anything, he chose to not be the bigger person. Same as you could have by not choosing to fight on for him. Oh well, choices.

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You are correct. And it does not make either you nor Baer any better or the bigger person in this. Facts are facts. g'day

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Originally Posted by Drass

You are correct. And it does not make either you nor Baer any better or the bigger person in this. Facts are facts. g'day

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Have a good one. O7

Have a good day to everyone else too.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

"Let me just throw those 50 mil gil at a vendor, for absolutely nothing at all, nothing in return, so I pay for the house I got for free"

Who is supposed to do this ?

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*Deep breaths*

I just proposed an honor way if someone really feels terrible that they got the house for free as the compensation for the bug that kept them from getting one for a month.

But hey feel free to let all the negative emotions flow. We've already dropped all pretense of being positive community.

For most players, gil is not the deciding factor on a player purchasing a house. It is the lack of supply of housing. And now, luck. Is it " not fair" that some players might get a house without paying for it? Sure. Are we all 5 years old and still hyperfocused on what's fair and what isn't?

The hard part of this process was winning the lottery. Not depositing the gil.

My hot take; it reads as if they're going by the honor system with this as a resolution, but what they should do is not relinquish the plot until the deposit has been put back in by the winner of the draw--otherwise, it gets put back up for the lottery system the next time around.

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Originally Posted by CaptainFishSticks

My hot take; it reads as if they're going by the honor system with this as a resolution, but what they should do is not relinquish the plot until the deposit has been put back in by the winner of the draw--otherwise, it gets put back up for the lottery system the next time around.

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It's really that easy, not sure why this is not the case already

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

Post it on Twitter, that is where the new SJW English Community Rep gets all her feedback from. This will definitely grab her attention.

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Not sure what being SJW has to do with anything, but cool.

I don't have a dog in this fight as I got my house through the painful clicking on plaque until I won on the last day before EW maintenance started.. I basically gave up the game from July until then to suffer through until I finally beat the bots and won.

That being said, I wonder how many of you guys that started thousands of threads complaining and fussing about the housing market, the failed lottery system and how SE just sucked because of it will now post thousands of thread to say you're sorry, that you were wrong, that SE does actually listen and try to make the best of a situation don't worry I won't hold my breathe... you guys love to rail against everything here but never come back and say you were wrong.

In doing this SE has not only stepped up and made it right but shown me they are DO care about their community. I guess you guys will have to find something else to complain about... oh no, there is always SAM and so many other things you guys take so seriously in this game... nevermind..

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Originally Posted by Tigerlilley

Am I reading this right?
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For winning participants who already received a gil refund due to the “Winning Lottery Number of 0” error

Once lottery data has been restored, some participants may discover that they had, in fact, won the lottery, despite already receiving a refund due to the lottery number error. Even if your deposit was refunded due to this system error, your ability to finalize the purchase of a won plot will remain unaffected.
　
In patch 6.2 we plan to implement an NPC by which you may voluntarily return the deposit you were accidentally refunded.
As these housing lottery issues have been significant and caused great stress and frustration in many players, we have no intention of performing a data rollback to forcibly rescind any refunded gil. We will make an announcement regarding the voluntary return of housing deposits once the NPC in question is ready to be implemented.
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So we should all go get our refunds now in case we won? Then we can have both house and money?

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excuse me? At the time when the housing trouble started I froze then checked the forums. Forums said to keep the money in the entry and I did. My gil is still in the housing ..... should I take it out now? then not put it back in during patch 6.2? is this the advice?

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Originally Posted by Jaquan

*Deep breaths*

I just proposed an honor way if someone really feels terrible that they got the house for free as the compensation for the bug that kept them from getting one for a month.

But hey feel free to let all the negative emotions flow. We've already dropped all pretense of being positive community.

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Easier to be cranky and sarcastic for those upvotes.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

Nope that is what is says.

SE is amazing for doing this specially when they know the game is over saturated with gil. Great job, I expected nothing less of SE than to do more unfair BS and continue to make piss poor decisions.

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I assume the original intention was that Housing was meant to be the game's gil sink.

But unfortunately theres only enough houses for like 1% of the games total population, and any other substitute is an absolute joke.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

It's really that easy, not sure why this is not the case already

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Simple. Doing so would trigger a reaction of "I should have won but now I don't have the money and SE takes away what should have been mine"

You guys act like the options were "Let them keep the gil" or "Do rollbacks." Is a company not capable of simply removing the gil for the winners? It cant be that hard. Relying on them morally feeling guilty and giving away 20m or 50m for nothing is silly and will only happen for like 1% of the winners.

i mean, some of us have left our money in just to make their jobs easier for the last month even if we were the sole bidder and are guaranteed to get our house, this almost feels like an incentive to log in and claim a refund if i want to keep my gil, i personally don't think i will, but at that rate you might as well just refund everyone that was affected by the 0 bug and won instead of those who won and decided to take their money back

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Originally Posted by Oizen

I assume the original intention was that Housing was meant to be the game's gil sink.

But unfortunately theres only enough houses for like 1% of the games total population, and any other substitute is an absolute joke.

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Tbh I think a very small portion can even afford the houses.
Maybe I am just wasteful with my gil too, but I am usually sitting around 100k-1mil gil.
I don't think most people are sitting on millions and millions but I could be wrong I am fairly wasteful.