the mod/addon is getting out of hand and is spreading to other platforms JUST STOP!!

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They already allow add-ons lol, they always have. They've just told people to be discreet with them more-or-less once you get through corporate speak. And btw the amount of people who use addons are bigger than you think, it's not just raiders, but gposers/housers/rpers as well, so if they really wanted to implement an anti-cheat or something close to that, they're pretty much going to take out a huge population of people who have nothing to do with raiding lol. If you think they're going to start banning people enmasse for addons, you're crazy.

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They don't allow them.

They strictly say no addons. They just don't actively go after people.

If you use them in plain sight, you will get banned.

I think it should be discussed everywhere

Start a forest fire

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They don't allow them.

They strictly say no addons. They just don't actively go after people.

If you use them in plain sight, you will get banned.

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What do you think the word "discreet" means? Yeah of course they won't allow it in plain sight and they outright have to disallow it in some capacity. But they also mention they can't/won't search your computer for them, so up to you on how you want to interpret that. :shrug:

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They already allow add-ons lol, they always have. They've just told people to be discreet with them more-or-less once you get through corporate speak. And btw the amount of people who use addons are bigger than you think, it's not just raiders, but gposers/housers/rpers as well, so if they really wanted to implement an anti-cheat or something close to that, they're pretty much going to take out a huge population of people who have nothing to do with raiding lol. If you think they're going to start banning people enmasse for addons, you're crazy.

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Yes yes, I am certain that they will.

But those people who don't raid, have the raiding community, streamers, and other content creators to blame for it.

People just wanted to change up their characters, clothing options, and certain graphic enhancements for great photos. However due to the putzes who broadcasted their use of Addons and alike, they have forced SE's hand to take action, not against one part of the community but the community as a whole, because idiots can't play a game, a game mind you that is super easy, without Addons holding their hand.

I'm sure that as SE looks into this, they could take a more lenient approach to those who, use cosmetic/graphical mods opposed to the, "Raiding is srsbsnss community." who demands that they can use Addons to give themselves an advantage in content. I hope all these Meta-slave world firsters, are rethinking their approach to content, or their "Accomplishments." may not be valid anymore.

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Yes yes, I am certain that they will.

People just wanted to change up their characters, clothing options, and certain graphic enhancements for great photos. However due to the putzes who broadcasted their use of Addons and alike, they have forced SE's hand to take action, not against one part of the community but the community as a whole, because idiots can't play a game, a game mind you that is super easy, without Addons holding their hand.

I'm sure that as SE looks into this, they could take a more lenient approach to those who, use cosmetic/graphical mods opposed to the, "Raiding is srsbsnss community." who demands that they can use Addons to give themselves an advantage in content. I hope all these Meta-slave world firsters, are rethinking their approach to content, or their "Accomplishments." may not be valid anymore.

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BTW SE has taken action against GPosers before, sanctioning accounts for posting NSFW modded shots of their character on twitter. But I guess we can't blame those people right?

And you can't have one without the other. Maybe people who "just wanted to change their characters and clothing options" and use "graphical enhancements" should just deal with the tools and options SE has given them. I mean they can take great shots without addons holding their hands so why do they have to resort to using mods to achieve poses you couldn't normally do in the game?

Same thing with housers, just deal with the glitches and don't use addons that can't sink furniture into the walls/floor more than the game glitches allow you to. If you're already glitching them, then why the need for addons right? If they don't like the rules of the ToS, no one is forcing them to play, they can move onto a game that allows them to dress up their character or decorate their house however they wish with their addons.

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BTW SE has taken action against GPosers before, sanctioning accounts for posting NSFW modded shots of their character on twitter. But I guess we can't blame those people right?

And you can't have one without the other. Maybe people who "just wanted to change their characters and clothing options" and use "graphical enhancements" should just deal with the tools and options SE has given them. I mean they can take great shots without addons holding their hands so why do they have to resort to using mods to achieve poses you couldn't normally do in the game?

Same thing with housers, just deal with the glitches and don't use addons that can't sink furniture into the walls/floor more than the game glitches allow you to. If you're already glitching them, then why the need for addons right? If they don't like the rules of the ToS, no one is forcing them to play, they can move onto a game that allows them to dress up their character or decorate their house however they wish with their addons.

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Move on child, no one needs to entertain you anymore.

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Move on child, no one needs to entertain you anymore.

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I entertain myself on these forums (plus there's good enough entertainment without me adding to it), I don't need anyone to do that for me. :P I'm just trying to figure out why some addons are okay but not the others? If we can't use dps meters or buff raid timers why can housers use addons to sink furniture beyond game limits or gposers use features not added in the game innately? It's either all okay or none of it is.

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Folks need to chill the hell out, this has gone too far and you're doing things outside of SE purview to do some really shady stuff just to control the narrative. The savage raiding community in response to people who oppose mods/addons use by the savage raiding community, by getting photos that are not modded tagged with sensitive content flags on Twitter and harassing and reporting folks on Reddit for this, then using the external reporting system to get them banned in-game. This problem sits squarely on the savage raiding community's shoulders, the rest of the community didn't cause this problem you the aforementioned group did, and they are doing all this to quash dissent and to deflect the heat they are taking. Take responsibility for your actions! I and others know your all are false flagging and using the external reporting system as a weapon to shut down other people's voices who voiced opposition to your opinion on using addons/mods even I was hit with it over a kitten gif that had the caption of "moo" today, so keep playing these games off-platform with people and the term "F around and find out" might happen. The savage raiders' actions cause more problems than good for everyone and no matter what you folks spin it. It only goes to show the actions you and others take outside of SE's prevue to get rid of people in-game will cause this community to break down even more so you folks can continue to raid. I hope you are happy because it is not going to last much longer. Not only are you folks represent less than 2% of the community who push the envelope, but you folks broke the seal on it, and this is the direct result of it so in response, you are targeting people (Me included) that have a dissenting opinion about the mods/addons, an issue that the savage raiding community created. at the same time. SE should have made this issue (that the savage raiders created btw) crystal clear when this issue crept up back in 2020 so there so part of the fault rests on them too. Never in all my time gaming have I seen such irresponsible, selfish, elitist behavior from a group of individuals in my life. I bet if SE designed the not to let mods or addons access the servers at all you would A: Not play or B: find a way to make mods and addons work just to violate TOS and EULA still to get an advantage over the rest of the population.

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Not true, the use of I think it is dalamude that allows you to make your characters nude, and perform sexual acts on each other has been mentioned as well.

*read the last five pages*

Fantastic community.

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Stop pointing fingers this all stems from savage raiding folks wanting "an advantage" your excuses are not going to be tolerated anymore

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you have to be trolling here lol. what advantage do you think UI mods give savage raiders? Its literally QoL and aesthetic appearance thats literally all most mods provide. a handful also give automated callouts, but even those have no impact on another person's experience. why do you people care if someone uses mods/add-ons when it doesn't effect you at all?

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Originally Posted by HolyReign

Yes yes, I am certain that they will.

But those people who don't raid, have the raiding community, streamers, and other content creators to blame for it.

People just wanted to change up their characters, clothing options, and certain graphic enhancements for great photos. However due to the putzes who broadcasted their use of Addons and alike, they have forced SE's hand to take action, not against one part of the community but the community as a whole, because idiots can't play a game, a game mind you that is super easy, without Addons holding their hand.

I'm sure that as SE looks into this, they could take a more lenient approach to those who, use cosmetic/graphical mods opposed to the, "Raiding is srsbsnss community." who demands that they can use Addons to give themselves an advantage in content. I hope all these Meta-slave world firsters, are rethinking their approach to content, or their "Accomplishments." may not be valid anymore.

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They have not "forced SE's hand." They've been doing the thing theyve been doing for YEARS at this point. SE could continue to ignore it, as they always have. Instead they've chosen to placate a small number of people who complain about the "authenticity" of the UNOFFICIAL world first race that they barely acknowledge. SE could also give clear guidelines regarding add-ons, after all they have basically said GSHADE is ok already. Just tell people that if you use a parser any harassment whatsoever in or out of the game, for any reason, is going to be a zero-tolerance bannable offense. Tell people that UI customization is OK, since it is literally a cosmetic change and thats it. This zero-tolerance approach to add-ons is nonsense.

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They have not "forced SE's hand." They've been doing the thing theyve been doing for YEARS at this point. SE could continue to ignore it, as they always have. Instead they've chosen to placate a small number of people who complain about the "authenticity" of the UNOFFICIAL world first race that they barely acknowledge. SE could also give clear guidelines regarding add-ons, after all they have basically said GSHADE is ok already. Just tell people that if you use a parser any harassment whatsoever in or out of the game, for any reason, is going to be a zero-tolerance bannable offense. Tell people that UI customization is OK, since it is literally a cosmetic change and thats it. This zero-tolerance approach to add-ons is nonsense.

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It's even more amusing when you consider that even the addons that do give an advantage, don't give one in the world first race. Because the timeline of the fight needs to be put into the program first for it to be able to do anything. Which requires people clear the fight first.

People are emboldened after mass reporting someone worked. Now the witch hunts have started, and are becoming more widespread.

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you have to be trolling here lol. what advantage do you think UI mods give savage raiders? Its literally QoL and aesthetic appearance thats literally all most mods provide. a handful also give automated callouts, but even those have no impact on another person's experience. why do you people care if someone uses mods/add-ons when it doesn't effect you at all?

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There are likely more players that use mods for aesthetics, than there are for what ever advantage you think savage raiders are getting from there mods. SE said to stop doing that as well, and what do people do? Post there pics on Twitter of there shirtless male character all nipped up. Why aren't those players banned? Well they weren't mass reported.

Same problem, different mods.

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Originally Posted by JudgeRAW

you have to be trolling here lol. what advantage do you think UI mods give savage raiders? Its literally QoL and aesthetic appearance thats literally all most mods provide. a handful also give automated callouts, but even those have no impact on another person's experience. why do you people care if someone uses mods/add-ons when it doesn't effect you at all?

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Literally all most?
You're obviously being intentionally obtuse here. There is such a thing as 'cactbot' which can bend your ping to your will, something that people who have categorically sworn off all mobs can not do. Do you think that doesn't provide any benefit for savage raiders?(see people who care very, very deeply about ̶t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ ̶d̶a̶m̶a̶g̶e̶ scores on some websites)

The /truth/ is as follows: People are upset that they have been breaking the rules with impunity and suddenly they face(what they knew all along) that their actions have consequences. Now we reach a turning point, knowing that they are acting out of step with the rules established for the game, will people decide to stop using add-ons, or will they create parallel excuses for why they particularly actually deserve to use add-ons. -I mean they can't tell I'm using them. -Who are they to tell ME what I can do?!-

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There are likely more players that use mods for aesthetics, than there are for what ever advantage you think savage raiders are getting from there mods. SE said to stop doing that as well, and what do people do? Post there pics on Twitter of there shirtless male character all nipped up. Why aren't those players banned? Well they weren't mass reported.

Same problem, different mods.

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Even without mods or addons do you think lewd pictures of FF14 characters wouldn't exist? Look at Overwatch and Fortnite for clear examples of why that's just not a realistic point of view. Its hard for me to believe that the SE devs are that out of touch with the realities of the internet. You can't escape lewd pictures.

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Literally all most?
You're obviously being intentionally obtuse here. There is such a thing as 'cactbot' which can bend your ping to your will, something that people who have categorically sworn off all mobs can not do. Do you think that doesn't provide any benefit for savage raiders?(see people who care very, very deeply about ̶t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ ̶d̶a̶m̶a̶g̶e̶ scores on some websites)

The /truth/ is as follows: People are upset that they have been breaking the rules with impunity and suddenly they face(what they knew all along) that their actions have consequences. Now we reach a turning point, knowing that they are acting out of step with the rules established for the game, will people decide to stop using add-ons, or will they create parallel excuses for why they particularly actually deserve to use add-ons. -I mean they can't tell I'm using them. -Who are they to tell ME what I can do?!-

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Did you read the rest of my statement which included mention of programs like Cactbot which provide automated callouts. But as I said before none of those have any sort of impact on another player's experience with the game, so why does anyone care what another player is doing?

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Stop pointing fingers this all stems from savage raiding folks wanting "an advantage" your excuses are not going to be tolerated anymore

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This all stems from SE failing to do basic updates to the UI QoL, things they have themselves admitted they failed to do.

Your favourite company wants to Invest in NFTs, stop acting like they are the arbiter of all that is good and right, they make mistakes

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Even without mods or addons do you think lewd pictures of FF14 characters wouldn't exist? Look at Overwatch and Fortnite for clear examples of why that's just not a realistic point of view. Its hard for me to believe that the SE devs are that out of touch with the realities of the internet. You can't escape lewd pictures.

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There's a notable difference between fanart, and using the game itself for the pictures. Especially since the later needs you to mod the game.

If in any PF anywhere in the game, someone even without saying so, requires any add-on at any point it becomes a problem that everyone has to deal with. For example, if players who otherwise wouldn't know their left from their right required these add-ons to be able to clear content, it means, LOGICALLY, that someone who wants to actually LEARN the content has an automatic and disqualifying handicap. This is the crux of the problem of add-ons.

If Billy can clear content only because his add-on tells him what to do(taking less time to do so), and Jack wants to learn by trial and error(you know, like how the game is designed), any "raid leader" would be logically obligated to prefer all Billys.

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Literally all most?
You're obviously being intentionally obtuse here. There is such a thing as 'cactbot' which can bend your ping to your will, something that people who have categorically sworn off all mobs can not do. Do you think that doesn't provide any benefit for savage raiders?(see people who care very, very deeply about ̶t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ ̶d̶a̶m̶a̶g̶e̶ scores on some websites)

The /truth/ is as follows: People are upset that they have been breaking the rules with impunity and suddenly they face(what they knew all along) that their actions have consequences. Now we reach a turning point, knowing that they are acting out of step with the rules established for the game, will people decide to stop using add-ons, or will they create parallel excuses for why they particularly actually deserve to use add-ons. -I mean they can't tell I'm using them. -Who are they to tell ME what I can do?!-

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This is incorrect, if you look at cactbot's github page all it does is provide automated, user-inputted callouts from a timeline of events. The argument could be had that, as it is automated it is much faster than someone doing callouts verbally in a discord call, however having seen someone stream with both cactbot and discord calls it's not nearly as fast as the automation may make it seem, and is sometimes slower than verbal callouts.

What you are thinking of is XIVAlexander, which reduces animation lock to aid those with high ping - out of the box it cannot reduce ping to inhuman levels, and it can only do that with massive amounts of tampering to the program.

However, I'd argue that the effect of XIVAlexander is similar to that of using a VPN - so are you saying those who use VPNs are using mods? "Sucks for you, move countries"?

If you're going to argue against mods, at least know which ones do what. It's not hard to search up "cactbot ffxiv github" "XIVAlexander github". The minute you start attributing the effects of one to others, you lose all credibility because you can't be arsed to do a basic and simple google search to back up your talking points.

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If in any PF anywhere in the game, someone even without saying so, requires any add-on at any point it becomes a problem that everyone has to deal with. For example, if players who otherwise wouldn't know their left from their right required these add-ons to be able to clear content, it means, LOGICALLY, that someone who wants to actually LEARN the content has an automatic and disqualifying handicap. This is the crux of the problem of add-ons.

If Billy can clear content only because his add-on tells him what to do(taking less time to do so), and Jack wants to learn by trial and error(you know, like how the game is designed), any "raid leader" would be logically obligated to prefer all Billys.

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I've never seen any PF ever require an addon. And you know why? Because anyone with a fraction of a braincell knows it's a one way trip to ban town. Literally a non-problem made up to scare people.

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If in any PF anywhere in the game, someone even without saying so, requires any add-on at any point it becomes a problem that everyone has to deal with. For example, if players who otherwise wouldn't know their left from their right required these add-ons to be able to clear content, it means, LOGICALLY, that someone who wants to actually LEARN the content has an automatic and disqualifying handicap. This is the crux of the problem of add-ons.

If Billy can clear content only because his add-on tells him what to do(taking less time to do so), and Jack wants to learn by trial and error(you know, like how the game is designed), any "raid leader" would be logically obligated to prefer all Billys.

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Let me ask you a simple question.

Are you using an Officially licenced Square Enix Gamepad, or an officially licenced Sony Entertainment Gamepad?

maybe you're using a Wildcatz pad with extra macroable buttons or some other pad with extra features?

Because if you're using anything that isn't SE licenced, anything....

You're using a 3rd party add on.

That's how vague and poor SE's stance is.

I admit I did make a mistake in equating 'cactbot' to 'XIVAlexander'. However, I would strongly challenge your assertion that 'XIVA' is similar to a VPN. Perhaps at a macro level, you could say that the end result is you do things faster. But a VPN doesn't directly interact with the game's animations essentially providing a -unique- advantage.

I call upon your metaphor. Someone using a VPN may cut their latency by 30% but someone using the aforementioned add-on could(using essentially speed hacks), achieve things in game that even someone living next door to the ffxiv server could not do. Couple that with actually good ping, and someone could be breaking the game left and right.

Additionally, I want to state my fervent desire that SE make Datacenters for countries underserved by the current ones. There's no reason that anyone should be forced to have a substandard experience simply due to the place of their birth. Especially, when we live in such a world as thing, in such times as this.

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I admit I did make a mistake in equating 'cactbot' to 'XIVAlexander'. However, I would strongly challenge your assertion that 'XIVA' is similar to a VPN. Perhaps at a macro level, you could say that the end result is you do things faster. But a VPN doesn't directly interact with the game's animations essentially providing a -unique- advantage.

I call upon your metaphor. Someone using a VPN may cut their latency by 30% but someone using the aforementioned add-on could(using essentially speed hacks), achieve things in game that even someone living next door to the ffxiv server could not do. Couple that with actually good ping, and someone could be breaking the game left and right.

Additionally, I want to state my fervent desire that SE make Datacenters for countries underserved by the current ones. There's no reason that anyone should be forced to have a substandard experience simply due to the place of their birth. Especially, when we live in such a world as thing, in such times as this.

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The only way one could do such a thing would be to tamper with the program in such a way that the program developers did not intend. Out of the box, the only difference between XIVAlexander and a VPN is the way they provide their services - XIVA by reducing animation lock and VPNs (or tunnelers to get more specific) by changing which nodes your internet travels through.

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I call upon your metaphor. Someone using a VPN may cut their latency by 30% but someone using the aforementioned add-on could(using essentially speed hacks), achieve things in game that even someone living next door to the ffxiv server could not do. Couple that with actually good ping, and someone could be breaking the game left and right.

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The tool's functionality does not change in that way based on your ping. It sets you to a specific value no matter if your ping is 50 or 500. In no way can it be used as speed hacks or to effect your actual GCD or cooldowns.

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The tool's functionality does not change in that way based on your ping. It sets you to a specific value no matter if your ping is 50 or 500. In no way can it be used as speed hacks or to effect your actual GCD or cooldowns.

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I question whether or not the people who are against such tools have had an actual look at what the tools do, versus just simply hearing thirdhand off of someone who heard it from someone else who heard from someone who glanced at a reddit thread about it once.

Many people in this thread(forum) are engaging in the logical fallacy referred to as the overgeneralization (also known as the hasty generalization)fallacy.
An example of this fallacy is as follows: Me Mum ain't want me to eat snacks before dinner, well then she must not want me to eat at all.
It's often used as willful ignorance of a larger concept(perhaps one many people would understand if they wanted/needed to). There is an argument to be made for a difference of impact of various add-ons, however, I put forth that once an add-on was made that could fundamentally modify animations, the well was poisoned beyond recovery.

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There's a notable difference between fanart, and using the game itself for the pictures. Especially since the later needs you to mod the game.

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People pull models from the game and lewd them til their hearts desire. People do that in other games as well. Its one of those things that you're never going to get rid of no matter how hard you try.

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Many people in this thread(forum) are engaging in the logical fallacy referred to as the overgeneralization (also known as the hasty generalization)fallacy.
An example of this fallacy is as follows: Me Mum ain't want me to eat snacks before dinner, well then she must not want me to eat at all.
It's often used as willful ignorance of a larger concept(perhaps one many people would understand if they wanted/needed to). There is an argument to be made for a difference of impact of various add-ons, however, I put forth that once an add-on was made that could fundamentally modify animations, the well was poisoned beyond recovery.

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So you don't know what XIVA does and doesn't do, and you are simply saying "well, it can possibly do X therefore Y can possibly happen?"

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I question whether or not the people who are against such tools have had an actual look at what the tools do, versus just simply hearing thirdhand off of someone who heard it from someone else who heard from someone who glanced at a reddit thread about it once.

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I once again cede ground to those who seem to know more than I do about these concepts. However, I ask this question of all of you. Does the use of this add-on provide an advantage that for example, my friend living in South America can not get on his PS4? Do you think that is fair? Do you think that he would have a better or worse time in the game changing to PC and using these programs? Should he have to to clear the content he desires to?

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I once again cede ground to those who seem to know more than I do about these concepts. However, I ask this question of all of you. Does the use of this add-on provide an advantage that for example, my friend living in South America can not get on his PS4? Do you think that is fair? Do you think that he would have a better or worse time in the game changing to PC and using these programs? Should he have to to clear the content he desires to?

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Maybe blame SE for not implementing these basic QoL and fixes instead of people using addons lol

that's convoluting tl;dr?

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Many people in this thread(forum) are engaging in the logical fallacy referred to as the overgeneralization (also known as the hasty generalization)fallacy.
An example of this fallacy is as follows: Me Mum ain't want me to eat snacks before dinner, well then she must not want me to eat at all.
It's often used as willful ignorance of a larger concept(perhaps one many people would understand if they wanted/needed to). There is an argument to be made for a difference of impact of various add-ons, however, I put forth that once an add-on was made that could fundamentally modify animations, the well was poisoned beyond recovery.

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Overgeneralization is actually the issue people are having with the zero tolerance approach to addons, from the devs and from some of the community. Going on witch hunts against streamers who use purely cosmetic mods IS an issue and it IS harassment even if folks want to excuse it because of SE's rules. Its unnecessary and toxic and is part of the thing people talk about regarding this game's community having a "toxic positivity" problem where unless you are wholly ok with every aspect of the game you are a problem. At the end of the day add-ons don't hurt anyone, and thats the most important point to make. If someone is using speed hacks they are easy to find, report and ban. Why? Because its obvious in the game when that is happening. Anything that you can't see doesn't impact you or your in game experience.

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I once again cede ground to those who seem to know more than I do about these concepts. However, I ask this question of all of you. Does the use of this add-on provide an advantage that for example, my friend living in South America can not get on his PS4? Do you think that is fair? Do you think that he would have a better or worse time in the game changing to PC and using these programs? Should he have to to clear the content he desires to?

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There actually is something that helps with console players too on that front. Requires more setup but it is possible.

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I've never seen any PF ever require an addon. And you know why? Because anyone with a fraction of a braincell knows it's a one way trip to ban town. Literally a non-problem made up to scare people.

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I'd like to point to my previous post wherein I say "even without saying so" because as you mentioned, mentioning the no-no things gets you sent to no-no land. That is what is even MORE insidious. Because you can't talk about them, it because an invisible problem.

A completely innocent person, trying their best to complete content joins a group where everyone is using the add-on, they can't talk about them, but they see that the person doesn't have the add-on, thus is at a disadvantage and they are robbed of the ability to try their best to clear the content. A situation where what you don't know does hurt you.

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I once again cede ground to those who seem to know more than I do about these concepts. However, I ask this question of all of you. Does the use of this add-on provide an advantage that for example, (1) my friend living in South America can not get on his PS4? (2)Do you think that is fair? (3)Do you think that he would have a better or worse time in the game changing to PC and using these programs? (4)Should he have to to clear the content he desires to?

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1. Depending on his location, yes or no - that yes being with major caveats. There are people in South America who have better ping than I do, and that is the "advantage" that XIVA provides - simulating better ping by reducing the animation locks by a set value that cannot be changed unless one is extremely determined and goes against the wishes of the developer of the tool. Your friend can utilize a VPN to gain similar effects to their gameplay.

2. It absolutely is not fair, just like how it is absolutely not fair that those of us who live in states such as New York or New Jersey experience the same ping to NA servers as we do to EU servers. XIVA provides something that should already be ingame natively - and it proves that it's something within the games capabilities to do and provide for users. Your skill should not depend on where you live or whether or not you can have access to a VPN or XIVA.

3. Some of the best players in my group play best on the PS4. I play my best with an MMO mouse. If your friend plays well on PC, they play well on PC. If they play well on the PS4, they play well on the PS4. Addons cannot force you to play well - see the mass amounts of people who utilize addons and still play like hot garbage. Addons are not a replacement for skill, the majority of them merely do what the game should already be doing.

4. He should not, and does not have to. And if anyone tells him that he needs to, then he knows to avoid them because they likely are hot garbage. This is the mindset of most who use addons. No one will force you to use an addon, you do not need an addon to play the game at high tiers, and those who do use addons typically only use them to supplement the game with features that should already be in the game.

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4. He should not, and does not have to. And if anyone tells him that he needs to, then he knows to avoid them because they likely are hot garbage. This is the mindset of most who use addons. No one will force you to use an addon, you do not need an addon to play the game at high tiers, and those who do use addons typically only use them to supplement the game with features that should already be in the game.

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And the craziest thing about this is Yoshi P talked in his letter about taking some of the features from add ons and adding them to the game. Yet they're banning people for using those add ons that they are going to make a part of the core experience.

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1. Depending on his location, yes or no - that yes being with major caveats. There are people in South America who have better ping than I do, and that is the "advantage" that XIVA provides - simulating better ping by reducing the animation locks by a set value that cannot be changed unless one is extremely determined and goes against the wishes of the developer of the tool. Your friend can utilize a VPN to gain similar effects to their gameplay.

2. It absolutely is not fair, just like how it is absolutely not fair that those of us who live in states such as New York or New Jersey experience the same ping to NA servers as we do to EU servers. XIVA provides something that should already be ingame natively - and it proves that it's something within the games capabilities to do and provide for users. Your skill should not depend on where you live or whether or not you can have access to a VPN or XIVA.

3. Some of the best players in my group play best on the PS4. I play my best with an MMO mouse. If your friend plays well on PC, they play well on PC. If they play well on the PS4, they play well on the PS4. Addons cannot force you to play well - see the mass amounts of people who utilize addons and still play like hot garbage. Addons are not a replacement for skill, the majority of them merely do what the game should already be doing.

4. He should not, and does not have to. And if anyone tells him that he needs to, then he knows to avoid them because they likely are hot garbage. This is the mindset of most who use addons. No one will force you to use an addon, you do not need an addon to play the game at high tiers, and those who do use addons typically only use them to supplement the game with features that should already be in the game.

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I agree with the vast majority of this. I too hope that SE can implement a systemic change to their game that can quash the need to use add-ons. I'm not very optimistic however. In the meantime, I wonder how the game will evolve. I honestly don't want a situation to arise where there is a large gulf between people who have add-ons which (may) provide advantages the average player doesn't have and other folks.