Please communicate with the players regarding JOB balances.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Gotta love these mental gymnastics of yours of absolutely making no sense with asinine assumptions due to being super butthurt.

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He's probably the most toxic poster on this forum with a lot of toxic people. I'm pretty sure at this point he wants the game to fail and is instigating things. I just put him on ignore like a few others of the really bad ones. It makes things simpler.

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

I honestly think it's the obvious. All these changes feel like they are making this game so 'accessible' (I hate this word) that is appeals to a very large group of people. We saw this with every MMO before. They do expect to be online for 10 more years, and how old players feel is irrelevant. They only care about new players who will buy expansions and items off the mogstation. This isn't to talk smack this is just what the business is.

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I think its better to cater to the 'normal' player, and to be honest I think the normal player doesnt mind a challenge, but doesnt mind if there isnt one as long as its fun to run through.
The higher end players say they want a challenge, but when faced with people who dont catch on as quickly as they do they become frustrated. This makes the experience bad for both them and the newer players. So since these players arent going to be happy in either case, they go for the path that will cause the least conflict.

Bottom line is if you have a MMORPG as popular as FFXIV you don't phase it out to a new MMO, because its an extremely low chance your new one is as popular.

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

He's probably the most toxic poster on this forum with a lot of toxic people. I'm pretty sure at this point he wants the game to fail and is instigating things. I just put him on ignore like a few others of the really bad ones. It makes things simpler.

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I have feelings, I don't think I am the most toxic.

How ever I am sure you feel the same about the information regarding balances changes. As Yoshi P said they would later explain why the kaiten changes were made and if I am not mistaken I believe he said he wanted to discuss the future of job design as well? Maybe he is waiting to get more feed back as it was mentioned as well the concept of more or less job identity vs accessibility. I believe he also mentioned a problem with crit synergy as well and there may be changes in the future regarding this. So, as it is right now I personally want to see what he has to say. I would go as far to say that they may not even know what direction they want to take job design in at this point. Granted it has been two weeks and they have there hands full, with ultimate release, and housing problems. I think this conversation would have been nice to have had last expansion though when a lot of boring designs first showed up that way we don't have to suffer the big finale of the story arc with what we have now.

But no I don't want to see the game fail, I just like to stir a pot a little bit that's all.

I wish the developers would explain in detail their thoughts/ideals for class balance during the live letter. They will spend an hour talking about transmog but 30sec on class balance and they purposely leave out information until the day patch is released. I would love an interview or segment on next live letter, will it happen? Doubtful =(

I want the reasoning on why it took 7 years to address living dead strain on healers and the tank. The reasoning why it took 5 years to address the blood weapon concerns. Why it is still taking so long to address DRK in dungeons for its self sustain to help healers. Why with the change in aggro was shirk cooldown not reduced. Why MCH have been getting small bandaid fixes over and over instead of a real solution.

I want them to really sit down and talk about the current state of healing in ffxiv because it is not ok. I want them to address WAR issue with the direct critical hit that is disturbing job synergy.

We simply need a letter from the producer live that goes over job balance and job balance alone. Not just a 5 minute segment where they talk 1 line statements over half the jobs.

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Originally Posted by Broken_Wind

I think its better to cater to the 'normal' player, and to be honest I think the normal player doesnt mind a challenge, but doesnt mind if there isnt one as long as its fun to run through.
The higher end players say they want a challenge, but when faced with people who dont catch on as quickly as they do they become frustrated. This makes the experience bad for both them and the newer players. So since these players arent going to be happy in either case, they go for the path that will cause the least conflict.

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I don't honestly see to many people get that frustrated in groups. The in game community isn't that bad. Just the forums community is bad at times. People label things in the PF very clearly, between things such as learning, clear, weekly clear, farm. If you join a learning party and you are not learning as quick as others that is fine. They can move on to a clear, and you can continue to learn. If you are joining a clear party, expect to fail, you are attempting a clear that many in the group have not gotten.

It's a expectation game in reality, if you don't know what you are doing and you join a farm party instead of a learning party, yes expect people to be angry cause you are not respecting there time. If you want a farm group, and you join a learning party, expect to be wasting your time teaching people to clear before you can farm it.

I honestly am not sure what the game is trying to cater to specially with job design. If you look at the tank kit currently, it may be that all this self healing and mitigation which caters the job more towards Ultimates, but this causes issues in lower content to be much easier where healers aren't really needed for your daily roulette. Then you have Yoshi P saying go try ultimates for healers, which leads me to believe the kit is also more designed for ultimates. And I think this is where complaints really stem from, is the design feels like it's designed for function at peak in ultimates, but content below that makes some roles and jobs feel less interesting. So maybe there is some sort of balance between they are missing. I don't know I feel like I am rambling nonsense to a certain extent.

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Originally Posted by forsakee

I wish the developers would explain in detail their thoughts/ideals for class balance during the live letter. They will spend an hour talking about transmog but 30sec on class balance and they purposely leave out information until the day patch is released. I would love an interview or segment on next live letter, will it happen? Doubtful =(

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I have honestly complained among friends about the amount of time spent on transmog over other content in Live Letters since ARR.

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Originally Posted by Derio

I want the reasoning on why it took 7 years to address living dead strain on healers and the tank. The reasoning why it took 5 years to address the blood weapon concerns. Why it is still taking so long to address DRK in dungeons for its self sustain to help healers. Why with the change in aggro was shirk cooldown not reduced. Why MCH have been getting small bandaid fixes over and over instead of a real solution.

I want them to really sit down and talk about the current state of healing in ffxiv because it is not ok. I want them to address WAR issue with the direct critical hit that is disturbing job synergy.

We simply need a letter from the producer live that goes over job balance and job balance alone. Not just a 5 minute segment where they talk 1 line statements over half the jobs.

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I can agree, I am hoping when ever Yoshi does explain the samurai changes, he does go time into this and explain the general direction. I also wish they could consider possibly waiting until a new expansion before cutting skills with out replacements, or slowly implementing changes through an expansion to lead into the next. It makes player feel like they are beta testers.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

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I have honestly complained among friends about the amount of time spent on transmog over other content in Live Letters since ARR.

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This worries me as a player that started post 5.55 =(

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Originally Posted by Derio

I want the reasoning on why it took 7 years to address living dead strain on healers and the tank. The reasoning why it took 5 years to address the blood weapon concerns. Why it is still taking so long to address DRK in dungeons for its self sustain to help healers. Why with the change in aggro was shirk cooldown not reduced. Why MCH have been getting small bandaid fixes over and over instead of a real solution.

I want them to really sit down and talk about the current state of healing in ffxiv because it is not ok. I want them to address WAR issue with the direct critical hit that is disturbing job synergy.

We simply need a letter from the producer live that goes over job balance and job balance alone. Not just a 5 minute segment where they talk 1 line statements over half the jobs.

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This. All of this. Just Living Dead alone shows they really don't read feedback like they say they do.

And well. I'd rather not get into Healer complaints. There's like 5 threads if anyone really wants to look.

sends a very pointed look the dev's way

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Originally Posted by HisShadowX

Oh your an FF11 fan from FFXIV 1.0 who was playing when the game was awful and had to be rebuilt. Surely they will listen to the players who stuck with that failed FFXIV 1.0.

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The point isn't that they should listen to people who played for longer. The point is more of us should voice our opinions on what we think is wrong with the game so that if they STILL don't listen, it's easier for people to quit giving them money.
That way they have consequences to ignoring us.

Also, FFXIV was my first final fantasy. I loved it because back then you could play with people around the whole world on the same servers.
The community was much nicer overall.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

They trying to get them participation levels up.

No I will be honest I think Yoshi P knows this game does not have 10 more years left. Likely SE is cutting the budget even more now that the story is finished.

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I'd be surprised if they have 2 good expansions left and then bare bones after that.

The game engine is in shambles, it can barely support much more QoL adjustments. They had to remove an entire gear slot to accommodate new gear slots for new jobs. They can't really do that again unless they get rid of a ring slot.

Yoshi has said the game can only handle so much personal data and it looks like we're quickly approaching the cap if we're not there already.

Your analogies are quite frankly pretty bad, specially the room one.

The problem is, the community at large has a warped mindset on what balance really is. So communication only leads down the path of the masses, not the path is should follow

It's like you took every problem I have with this game and wrote it out for me!

But people look at you and say "No this game will never die"

Just like they did with WoW - It's evident people do not learn from history

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

People made fun of others in the exact same way leading up to WoW eventually beginning to crumble. There is a tipping point that comes eventually; We're not there yet, but discontent among the player-base has become much more visible over the last few months.

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Told my FC that but they don't believe me. It's honestly irritating me that people can't see this.

Lost Ark job change notes btw kekw:

https://i.ibb.co/B3BtmBS/Capture.jpg

https://lostark.game.onstove.com/new...-1650862784169

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Originally Posted by Skiros

Lost Ark job change notes btw kekw:

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Why are you posting lost ark patch notes on ff14 forums? Maybe go here https://forums.playlostark.com/ they might actually care.

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Originally Posted by forsakee

Why are you posting lost ark patch notes on ff14 forums? Maybe go here https://forums.playlostark.com/ they might actually care.

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I think he was posting an example of how last ark shows the changes, and has notes from the developer explaining why these were made and the direction they are going with the class.
This thread is about communicating job balance in case you weren't aware. I think Lost Ark does a decent job on this, Yoshi P has a lot more explaining to do cause job design feels meh since SB and it has gotten way worst from there.

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Originally Posted by forsakee

Why are you posting lost ark patch notes on ff14 forums? Maybe go here https://forums.playlostark.com/ they might actually care.

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Are you insecure