Worst housing system in the world

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Originally Posted by Ashliet

Granted its not as nice as ESO's but most of ESO's house cost a ton of real money and are all instanced anyway.

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I rather have that than what we have. I'd pay real money to have a themed housing.

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Originally Posted by Akira

actually theres 2 sub tiers 12$ and 15$ and theres also legacy which is 10$/month.

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We don't talk about that says the hardcore player lol Notice they won't respond to that pick out something else you said.

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Originally Posted by HisShadowX

I rather have that than what we have. I'd pay real money to have a themed housing.




We don't talk about that says the hardcore player lol Notice they won't respond to that pick out something else you said.

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Not that you're a reasonable sort, but I'd still petition to assume people don't respond because of the very logical and smart design that you can only post a certain amount of times a day on the boards because if there's one thing better than communication, it's restricting communication. /s

Should've just stuck with the original system where you could buy a plot immediately as the prior tenant left. Led to an interesting dynamic with plot re-sales. Maybe have the lottery system ONLY for when new wards open, to prevent the mad rush when that happens.

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Originally Posted by Lieri

In the world? try real life long term mortgage.

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The two aren't really that much different. IRL if you are able to purchase a house you have to continue to pay monthly to keep it. In FFXIV if you are able to purchase a house you have to continue to pay monthly to keep it.;)

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Originally Posted by Ashliet

Granted its not as nice as ESO's but most of ESO's house cost a ton of real money

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This is patently false. You can get most of the ESO houses without spending a dime of real money. I know this because I owned every house in that game except the ones which were store exclusive.

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

This is patently false. You can get most of the ESO houses without spending a dime of real money. I know this because I owned every house in that game except the ones which were store exclusive.

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Yep. Many if not most can be obtained for in game gold. I also have four full houses that were given away for free as part of ESO game promotions or events. Then there is the free inn room, though small, each character gets.

There's a lot of RNG in the game and any MMO, sub fees don't come with a house.
I mean I pay a sub too and I didn't get the weapon chest today in P4S REEEEEEEEE :@.

I get that it sucks but you're not entitled to a house ingame.

Personal housing was a huge mistake , it should be for Medium FCs only ( no FCs with less than 10 players) and most of thr problems would be avoided.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

There's a lot of RNG in the game and any MMO, sub fees don't come with a house.
I mean I pay a sub too and I didn't get the weapon chest today in P4S REEEEEEEEE :@.

I get that it sucks but you're not entitled to a house ingame.

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It is their choice, if you want make a content only available small percent of player base your are not providing this content to everyone which mean you are most likely loosing sub. I don't like housing and decoration in MMORPG, but many people likes this kind of stuff.. decorating homes and make RP evolving around it. If you prevent those people you will most likely lose their sub.

Savage content different, time gating necessary and it is supposed to be grind and luck based so they can keep you in game.

It doesn't matter for me but for SE it is actually matters :)

watch out for the next update saying " we apologize for the inconvenience as usual only 1 out of every 10,000 players will be able to get a plot even though everyone pays to get full access to the game we thank you for the patience as we continue to do nothing about housing "

for those of you stuck on "oh there's legacy , standard and entry" get real and get on with the context . what "type" of sub you chose or what duration you chose literally has nothing to do with ACCESS TO HOUSING. No matter what you chose housing is NOT available to you no matter what you pick. That's the main issue we are all paying sub for the game yet some can own it some cant, if they wanted to differentiate with different privilege's then do so ? but that's not the case no matter what you chose people still cant access housing .

Either instanced or remake the wards so every plot can upgrade through S>M>L with a gil sink with each upgrade.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

Either instanced or remake the wards so every plot can upgrade through S>M>L with a gil sink with each upgrade.

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if instance is the answer to provide fair features for everyone then be it, again its not like community is rushing them. The housing problem has been a case for close to a decade and they couldve easily easily figured out an alternative after 4-5 years

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Originally Posted by Manofpassion

I agree that doesn't sound ideal as a long term solution, but if the apartment system in ffxiv has as much features as moghome, that will help soothe the current situation somewhat. As it stands, ffxiv apartments is just a small room like a moghome, but you have to pay for it and have less features like gardening and storage space. I don't think having to buy furniture to do anything is too bad. It is housing, so I think it is par for the course. Furniture taking up storage space does suck though.

I would like square enix to make the current apt system to have at least as much features in ffxi. I don't think that's too much of an ask, they've done it already in their own game released in 2002.

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Well in terms of storage one thing to remember is FFXI didn't have retainers either

A game I played in the past Wild Star had what is probably the closest thing to the instanced housing people on the forum seem to enjoy throwing around. Everyone had access to it. And it was hardly used by players. Most simply just had quest rewards randomly tossed into them and nothing more. Which leads to the thoughts that a very sizable if not majority of the housing demand in this game is simply due to it being a limited resource.

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Originally Posted by Insertusernamehere

It is their choice, if you want make a content only available small percent of player base your are not providing this content to everyone which mean you are most likely loosing sub. I don't like housing and decoration in MMORPG, but many people likes this kind of stuff.. decorating homes and make RP evolving around it. If you prevent those people you will most likely lose their sub.

Savage content different, time gating necessary and it is supposed to be grind and luck based so they can keep you in game.

It doesn't matter for me but for SE it is actually matters :)

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Savage isn't only timegating, it's also skill gating.
It's content a minority of players will even get to engage with, there's a ton of mounts and such too tied to it that most players will never see even if they really really want it.

There's a lot of different reasons why people unsub too.
I get that it's a frustrating issue, personally I am too poor to even try to get a house rofl and I do want one.
I just think that the argument that you're owed a house because you sub is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

Savage isn't only timegating, it's also skill gating.
It's content a minority of players will even get to engage with, there's a ton of mounts and such too tied to it that most players will never see even if they really really want it.

There's a lot of different reasons why people unsub too.
I get that it's a frustrating issue, personally I am too poor to even try to get a house rofl and I do want one.
I just think that the argument that you're owed a house because you sub is ridiculous.

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housing shouldnt be gated its part of the game thats available to everyone to access but not available to everyone for ownership... due to bad design

I'll be real honest. I never hated the housing systems. I'm simply not interested into pouring my time into a house that eventually will turn my ball and chain because of the autodemolition systems. That's it, and specially because I'm irregular when it comes to keeping my subscription.

They could make the system throw me for a loop and gate me as many times as they want in order to buy a house. As long as the reward doesn't need me to resub I would be completely content with the road I get in turn. As long as autodemolition is still a thing, I won't really care about housing anything beyong using my apartment as a storeroom of sorts.

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Originally Posted by BokoToloko

I'll be real honest. I never hated the housing systems. I'm simply not interested into pouring my time into a house that eventually will turn my ball and chain because of the autodemolition systems. That's it, and specially because I'm irregular when it comes to keeping my subscription.

They could make the system throw me for a loop and gate me as many times as they want in order to buy a house. As long as the reward doesn't need me to resub I would be completely content with the road I get in turn. As long as autodemolition is still a thing, I won't really care about housing anything beyong using my apartment as a storeroom of sorts.

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a lot of people dont care about anything doesnt mean it should be ignored for those who Do care.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

Either instanced or remake the wards so every plot can upgrade through S>M>L with a gil sink with each upgrade.

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they probably wont

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Originally Posted by SilverSp

housing shouldnt be gated its part of the game thats available to everyone to access but not available to everyone for ownership... due to bad design

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Housing isn't gated. Not for the reasons you imply anyway. There are requirements in order to try and purchase a home, but these restrictions are in place to prevent a myriad of exploitations that players would undoubtedly take advantage of otherwise.

Housing not being available to everyone is due to limited availability, not bad design. If housing was a bad design, there wouldn't be anywhere near the same amount of players wanting to take advantage of the benefits it provides. The "bad design" you refer to have been the various approaches to how a player and FCs acquire land in a residential district. However, there is always going to be a certain subset of players that will deem any and all systems that cannot accommodate the entire playerbase flawed and unfair.

There is nothing to remedy limited housing other than to make it unlimited. The only thing they can do is implement a system that is fair for everyone who qualifies to purchase land. And by fair, this means that no one who qualifies to purchase land has an advantage or disadvantage from any other player who also qualifies. You can definitely make a case about the qualifications being fair. However, this will require critical thinking in order to make a case to present facts opposed to feelings and opinions.

Housing was never design for personal purchase, it was originally designed for FC only. Personal housing did not come until later in ARR because there were not enough FCs to purchase all houses. Now personally I think the better way to do it was likely to make either FC housing, or personal housing instanced. This would also cause problems, look at EW release where people were AFKing in there houses, you could not get into your house as the inside is instanced, when the recent bid completed people reported issues getting into there houses as well. Ultimately it all goes back to server issues, this game is full of them and it has been holding the game back since ARR and I still to this day do not understand why these have not had major upgrades. EW release the excuse was covid, but these problems existed far before EW.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

I just think that the argument that you're owed a house because you sub is ridiculous.

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Absolutely it is. Good grief. The only players who are currently owed a house, are those who won the lottery fair and square, and instead can now only look at a giant red square where their house should be.

The entitlement of some players does every bit as much to perpetuate the housing issue as does the limited availability. The latter is what it is, and because of that housing is a privilege, not a right. Absolutely no one is entitled to a home with the very, very certain exception of the afore mentioned recent lottery winners.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Absolutely it is. Good grief. The only players who are currently owed a house, are those who won the lottery fair and square, and instead can now only look at a giant red square where their house should be.

The entitlement of some players does every bit as much to perpetuate the housing issue as does the limited availability. The latter is what it is, and because of that housing is a privilege, not a right. Absolutely no one is entitled to a home with the very, very certain exception of the afore mentioned recent lottery winners.

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At least they can remove housing tag from advertisement or include "Housing Lottery" tag or they can use mini apartment room picture to avoid false advertisement.

https://i.ibb.co/SynYVPV/Untitled2.png

I like how the opening of this thread is 'too sad you didn't luck out' like it wasn't almost pure luck before between people who had the time to stay up and kept clicking as much as they could.

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Originally Posted by shadowclasper

I like how the opening of this thread is 'too sad you didn't luck out' like it wasn't almost pure luck before between people who had the time to stay up and kept clicking as much as they could.

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before it had nothing to with luck all about auto clicking bots which would gurantee inhumane reaction and clicking so any normal person never had a chance. Before it was bots now its Purely luck all this does is remove ordinary people from having chance to get anything ever .

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Originally Posted by SilverSp

before it had nothing to with luck all about auto clicking bots which would gurantee inhumane reaction and clicking so any normal person never had a chance. Before it was bots now its Purely luck all this does is remove ordinary people from having chance to get anything ever .

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Ordinary people don't use bots, because that's cheating and a great way to get yourself banned.

So yeah, I'll take the lotto thanks over a garunteed fail state in the form of bots.

Also the massive deincentivization to scalpers and RMT jerks, because they can't actually sell anything now, removing one enormous pressure on the market entirely.

Us ordinary people dont have time to spam for 48 hours just to lose to a bot . Lets solve problems

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Absolutely it is. Good grief. The only players who are currently owed a house, are those who won the lottery fair and square, and instead can now only look at a giant red square where their house should be.

The entitlement of some players does every bit as much to perpetuate the housing issue as does the limited availability. The latter is what it is, and because of that housing is a privilege, not a right. Absolutely no one is entitled to a home with the very, very certain exception of the afore mentioned recent lottery winners.

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There is a mechanic for earning a house in the CONTEXT of the game. You have to put in in-game effort to earn the money to pay for it. Adding to that a luck of the draw, or even the placard clicking pvp system is unreasonable. Expecting to be able to purchase something when you have the money is not "entitlement". Nobody is expecting to be just given a house.

As others have said, I agree with your message, the housing system is truly stupid.

But your presentation didn't really help, not that we all haven't been guilty of posting badly when emotional/passionate.

Look, no one likes how limited the housing system is. Even people with houses complain (we're limited on how many items we can place inside and outside and it can be super limiting sometimes). These problems have existed since housing was opened to individual players and they wont be going away. It's like this every single time. The new system didn't change anything except give people a break from carpel tunnel.

Is it shitty? Yes. But in order to change it they'd have to take the time to do MASSIVE reworking of it. That requires a lot of things they don't have because well, SE takes the money the game makes and puts it elsewhere. I hope now that YoshP is now on their board he can get a better budget for FFXIV and we can see improvements on things like this, but it's going to take time. I don't really know what people were expecting with the changes. The limits of housing were still there and weren't going to go away.

Dude, you are oozing enough salt to dry out the seven seas. We all know the housing system isn't working, and so do they, best we can do is to explain what our problems are, in great detail and civil tone, and pile on the truth until they fix it, but the truth isn't the truth just because you regurgitate discontent and get some angry thumbs up.

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Originally Posted by Droxybrobotnik

Dude, you are oozing enough salt to dry out the seven seas. We all know the housing system isn't working, and so do they, best we can do is to explain what our problems are, in great detail and civil tone, and pile on the truth until they fix it, but the truth isn't the truth just because you regurgitate discontent and get some angry thumbs up.

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False. They knew housing wasnt working 5 years ago now this after such a long wait this is their work after 5-7 years . this isnt a random fact its not a new issue

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

How is that wrong ? Do we have different sub prices now ? I didnt know

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There's diff sub prices.

The ones that have been faithful since 1.0 only pay 10 a month, then there's the ones that only pay 13 a month (only one char per server), then the standard 15.99.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Absolutely it is. Good grief. The only players who are currently owed a house, are those who won the lottery fair and square, and instead can now only look at a giant red square where their house should be.

The entitlement of some players does every bit as much to perpetuate the housing issue as does the limited availability. The latter is what it is, and because of that housing is a privilege, not a right. Absolutely no one is entitled to a home with the very, very certain exception of the afore mentioned recent lottery winners.

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Well tell Yoshida and his devs to get off their butts and make some more houses. All the money they have made from us NO MORE EXCUSES MORE PLOTS NOW. Lazy devs

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Originally Posted by SilverSp

False. They knew housing wasnt working 5 years ago now this after such a long wait this is their work after 5-7 years . this isnt a random fact its not a new issue

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Except that they publically acknowledged it isn't working as intended. That's the best you can hope for until enough negative feedback piles on. The point I'm trying to make is that feedback only works if a clear concensus can be reached on what us wrong, for which actual arguments and case examples is needed, not "boohoo, bad system, also you are bad"

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Originally Posted by Mika_Zahard

There's diff sub prices.

The ones that have been faithful since 1.0 only pay 10 a month, then there's the ones that only pay 13 a month (only one char per server), then the standard 15.99.

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The sub prices whether you pay 10 or 13 or 15 has literally absolutely No effect whatsoever on who gets to own a plot or doesnt so it goes back to the point being made . EVERYONE pays sub to access the game YET only 1 out of EVERY 100,000 players can own a house and its not because of the price of the house its because its not available for everyone YET its in their advertisement for FFXIV . "Own your a part of EORZEA with in game housing"

On top of this ive seen people privately selling fc housing with RMT ... and they have been doing it for a long time too... theres no end

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Originally Posted by Droxybrobotnik

Except that they publically acknowledged it isn't working as intended. That's the best you can hope for until enough negative feedback piles on. The point I'm trying to make is that feedback only works if a clear concensus can be reached on what us wrong, for which actual arguments and case examples is needed, not "boohoo, bad system, also you are bad"

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even with negative feedback highly unlikely anything will change theyre more focused on renaming emotes.

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Originally Posted by Meowdyj

Honestly don't think they could have made it more fair for now. We all knew before this started the majority would be left bitter. Just have to be patient as things won't change overnight. Lets hope we can all have a cozy house soon.

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this is "more fair ?" LOL

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Originally Posted by Velvet_Lunarfang

Well tell Yoshida and his devs to get off their butts and make some more houses. All the money they have made from us NO MORE EXCUSES MORE PLOTS NOW. Lazy devs

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they add more emotes than wards at this point.

Lottery is a far more superior and fair system than the real life one ! .... when it work properly ;D

That being said the real issue is the lack of plot, not the way you obtain them.