No longer want to play if I can't get a house

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Originally Posted by Palslow

me too, it really demotivated me from playing..... I haven't played since the housing bug....it upset me so much and now I am waiting for a solution...

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So you haven't played in 24 hours? That must have been hard for you. I really hope they come up with a solution soon so you will come back and play the game.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

So you haven't played in 24 hours? That must have been hard for you. I really hope they come up with a solution soon so you will come back and play the game.

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sarcasm is not a good look on you. I have waited for years for this opportunity to buy a house.

By the way, you are such a troll, stop harassing people on this forum. be kinder.

If a house is a deal breaker then unsubbing is fine. But you may as well take a peek come 6.2 and island sanctuary drops.

Years? It says you started in December of last year.

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Originally Posted by Raim

Years? It says you started in December of last year.

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On the forum probably. I played this game since 2012 on my old Legacy account and quite literally just registered my forum account yesterday on this one (and this one existed for a few years already).

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Originally Posted by Raim

Years? It says you started in December of last year.

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Could be like me. My other account dates to ARR and I couldn't buy expansions for it(stupid region lock) so I started over having moved to EU.

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Originally Posted by Norwynn

On the forum probably. I played this game since 2012 on my old Legacy account and quite literally just registered my forum account yesterday on this one (and this one existed for a few years already).

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I started this back in early 1.0 beta and pre-ordered the 1.0 collectors edition but didn't register on this forum till years later. So I'll give them benefit of the doubt on when they started playing. However claiming they "waited 4 years for this housing opportunity" is the part I'm inclined to call BS on since nothing was stated about Ishgard opening as a housing area or that they would use a housing lotto system 4 years ago. Pair that with people on this board's tendency to grossly exaggerate things when they feel inconvenienced by something or they don't get what they wanted.

This housing bug is a legitimately big issue, and unsubbing over it is fair, it's a pretty big blunder overall. I would wait to see how they respond first before reinstating a sub if you intend to. I am pretty miffed about it, but the devs have shown they are willing to fix and compensate (was it 5 weeks of game time for endwalker launch being queue-city?). At the end of the day, don't do what makes you angry or upset.

Okay, see you next month.

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Originally Posted by Raim

They have said countless times due to server restrictions they can't just make infinite instanced housing. Calling them liars isn't going to help. Island Sanctuary won't be nearly as detailed as actual housing, nor should it because then why have housing wards?

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They are liars, and they can stop lying.
Do you really not understand how much money they make? Do you actually beleive it isnt financially viable? Youd have to be crazy
Expensive? Maybe, but relatively? Probably not
Impossible? LOL please

Other people can do it on a nearly equivalent scale, but Square Enix cant?

I'm seeing a lot of dedicated xiv fan cope replies in this.

If you're unhappy with the way things are then yes, unsubbing is the answer. It's both for your own sake and because voting with your wallet will always hold power. but at the same time, to those kinda kicking them on the way out...you're only enjoying their misery right now because the population is still big enough for you to not notice them leaving yet. It won't always be like that. One day you'll see the results of people talking about problems, giving up, and leaving and you'll hate it. You'll long for the days when the game was more active. You'll think back to this time and sigh thinking how it all began around there and how you wish you could go back to before it all happened. Xiv players are paying customers. They're allowed to be upset and walk off over anything they'd like.

The whole argument of 'well housing has always been bad!'..you're not listening.
I already have a house so none of this even applies to me, but even I can see what these people are talking about, what they're trying to say.

The problem isnt actually 'I didnt get a house, I QUIT!!!!'
The problem is they were paying and playing for months under the assumption and expectation that this miraculous lottery system would at least be done well. But that's not what happened. They payed for months just to get a "0" bug. They payed for months just to only have a shot with 6 out of 24 wards. They thought it would be 24 wards. Not 6. That was sprang on them at the very last minute. Yoshi actually told us that SOME would be lottery and SOME would be normal, that'd he'd consider that. But he ultimately went with all lottery-so even that was wishywashy. They then even went BACK and put FC only restrictions on ALL the other districts too. So now for these people that lost...their pool has shrank so much its insane. Out of 24 wards in every district, they can only try in 6. This entire situation ultimately cost them more chances than it gave them. It shrunk their possibilities from meh to basically never happening.

So yes, its not crazy that its pushing some to quit. They're not being overdramatic. They're actually being realistic. If you want housing, if thats something you were seriously looking forward to? As of right now, your chances are bleak and you're probably better off just taking a break and seeing if someday they change their mind about it.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

I started this back in early 1.0 beta and pre-ordered the 1.0 collectors edition but didn't register on this forum till years later. So I'll give them benefit of the doubt on when they started playing. However claiming they "waited 4 years for this housing opportunity" is the part I'm inclined to call BS on since nothing was stated about Ishgard opening as a housing area or that they would use a housing lotto system 4 years ago. Pair that with people on this board's tendency to grossly exaggerate things when they feel inconvenienced by something or they don't get what they wanted.

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Well, new housing wards was last released in stormblood no? And endwalker was released in 2021. I'm too lazy to do the math, but I presume the period between stormblood and endwalker was around 4 years, if not more. People have been waiting for new wards ever since Shirogane, which is quite a long period of time. Apologies if I wasn't expressing myself clearly enough, I didn't mean to insinuate players were waiting for ishgard housing in particular - merely just any new housing at all due to the short supply.

I also don't think people are exaggerating things. The lottery system just does not work. Its possible to lose to a number 0 ticket, no amount of spin and sugarcoating is gonna hide that frankly embarrassing error. But you are correct in saying that people in this thread complain about things when we don't get what we want. We didn't get a competent housing system or dev team kek

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

I started this back in early 1.0 beta and pre-ordered the 1.0 collectors edition but didn't register on this forum till years later. So I'll give them benefit of the doubt on when they started playing. However claiming they "waited 4 years for this housing opportunity" is the part I'm inclined to call BS on since nothing was stated about Ishgard opening as a housing area or that they would use a housing lotto system 4 years ago. Pair that with people on this board's tendency to grossly exaggerate things when they feel inconvenienced by something or they don't get what they wanted.

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I don't think anywhere they said about waiting specifically for Ishgard for 4 years to get a house, but more of a general statement that they have waited for 4 years to finally attempt to get a house. At least from what I understood. Maybe your context and mine are different.

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Originally Posted by Corvus_V

They are liars, and they can stop lying.
Do you really not understand how much money they make? Do you actually beleive it isnt financially viable? Youd have to be crazy
Expensive? Maybe, but relatively? Probably not
Impossible? LOL please

Other people can do it on a nearly equivalent scale, but Square Enix cant?

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You can't just throw money at technical issues like its some sliding scale that can fix everything.

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Originally Posted by Minifie

This housing bug is a legitimately big issue, and unsubbing over it is fair, it's a pretty big blunder overall. I would wait to see how they respond first before reinstating a sub if you intend to. I am pretty miffed about it, but the devs have shown they are willing to fix and compensate (was it 5 weeks of game time for endwalker launch being queue-city?). At the end of the day, don't do what makes you angry or upset.

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Honestly, they could say "instanced housing incoming next week guys" and I'd still let my sub lapse on principle. If I back down now, it would make me look weak. And I can't have that. No matter what they say I'm going to do it. How long that sub stays lapsed, however, is largely on them. I will be watching them like a hawk to see how they actually respond to their own screw ups. This patch has been one fumble after another.

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Originally Posted by Imora

No point paying for a game you're doing nothing in.

Quit being a condescending jerk.

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you don't have to make a thread just because you got tinely upset, if that's your silver lining just unsub and play something else. Quit being a big baby.

Been waiting on a medium plot for over 3 years, so I can relate. I also had to leave for a few months due to school, and they took both my FC and personal small houses, neither of which I've been able to replace because the only people in my guild are me and my gf, and I'm not cheating with alts just to purchase a house. I, too, am about a hair's breadth away from unsubbing, and the only thing keeping me currently is that my gf plays now, too. And while housing is not the only thing I'm majorly displeased with, at this point it is the straw that broke the camel's back. It's ridiculous for an individual to be sitting on 8 figures and the thing you're supposed to do with it is in short supply, all because SE won't take those record profits they're making and expand their servers to a size that can give everyone housing who can afford it. It's their freaking job. If you supply housing to anyone, you have to supply enough for everyone. Otherwise you're just full of s*** and raping your customers of their cash. It's your right and duty as a consumer to stop giving your money to any company that stops delivering what they promise. We PAY for them make enough room for us all. This isn't charity, it's business, and I don't give my money to companies who can't deliver and don't meet my standards on the few deliveries they do decide to make. That's SE right now. They're comfortable with these record profits, they have no real competition, and they're testing us to see what they can get away with. Don't fail the test and keep paying for something you aren't receiving.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Honestly, they could say "instanced housing incoming next week guys" and I'd still let my sub lapse on principle. If I back down now, it would make me look weak. And I can't have that. No matter what they say I'm going to do it. How long that sub stays lapsed, however, is largely on them. I will be watching them like a hawk to see how they actually respond to their own screw ups. This patch has been one fumble after another.

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Absolutely fair. Nobody owes the dev team anything, and especially not Squenix as a company, making sure the devs get the feedback as to why you are unsubbing and frustrations is necessary. I hope housing gets a lot more love and not just "island sanctuary" as a half-baked concept, but we'll see. Hopefully some good, developed instance housing is on the horizon!

if your sole reason is to play is to get a house then fine leave. this isn't a house dress up game, somebody get so worked up just because they can't have everything they want. I personally stopped trying to get a house ages ago and instead enjoyed all the other content this game has to offer.

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Originally Posted by Listrella

if your sole reason is to get a house then fine leave. this isn't a house dress up game, somebody get so worked up just because they can't have everything they want. I personally stopped trying to get a house ages ago and instead enjoyed all the other content this game has to offer.

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That's unfair, housing is pretty damn fun side game, and being unable to participate and not knowing WHEN you'll be able to for a personal property is a big issue. I am thoroughly enjoying pvp and just doing some old collectable stuff atm while waiting for DSR, but at the same time I'd probably unsub if the housing debacle doesn't meet an amicable solution.

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Originally Posted by Minifie

That's unfair, housing is pretty damn fun side game, and being unable to participate and not knowing WHEN you'll be able to for a personal property is a big issue. I am thoroughly enjoying pvp and just doing some old collectable stuff atm while waiting for DSR, but at the same time I'd probably unsub if the housing debacle doesn't meet an amicable solution.

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the housing could be better that is true, but to unsub over it is just ridiculous, you said it yourself it's a side game. you're going to ignore all the other stuff the game has added just because one aspect isn't working properly. I did not what they did with teh alliance raids in shadowbringers, I didn't quit the game over it. I'm sure something will be worked out, you just need to be patient.

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Originally Posted by Listrella

the housing could be better that is true, but to unsub over it is just ridiculous, you said it yourself it's a side game. you're going to ignore all the other stuff the game has added just because one aspect isn't working properly. I did not what they did with teh alliance raids in shadowbringers, I didn't quit the game over it. I'm sure something will be worked out, you just need to be patient.

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If you've been waiting for housing and this happened, I 100% believe unsubbing is a fine response. If you are not deriving joy from something, you shouldn't be paying for it, and one of the best ways to pass on feedback is constructive criticism and your wallet. OP may have done the first privately, but is also doing the second. I'm happy mostly with the game, it's why my sub stays, but I understand others want to pull up stumps.

okay fine you're entitled to your opinion, personally I do not understand why people get so obsessed with housing, but I guess different people like different things. i'll just leave you to it.

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Originally Posted by Raim

Says you started in 2011. It took you this long to come to this decision? Or did you just not want one for years when they were easily available?

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I believe, for much of the player-base that's been holding off, it was never about them being easily available. A lot of people were just waiting for Ishgard housing. And now that it's available, ... well, good luck.

Honestly I don't see why people are so worked up over housing. Yeah it's cool to have a place to decorate I guess? Can always do that with an apartment outside of the exterior which is kinda meh for decor anyway with preset walls and roofs or meme appearances.

Maybe it's because I played MMOs like ArcheAge where land ownership actually impacted the games economy and gameplay that makes me not get the uproar over the fashion houses here.

I had a house myself for a while and it was a nice little mini game but at the end of the day the interior was just an instanced space connected to a dead neighborhood that I never saw anyone in.

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Originally Posted by Thi

Honestly I don't see why people are so worked up over housing. Yeah it's cool to have a place to decorate I guess? Can always do that with an apartment outside of the exterior which is kinda meh for decor anyway with preset walls and roofs or meme appearances.

Maybe it's because I played MMOs like ArcheAge where land ownership actually impacted the games economy and gameplay that makes me not get the uproar over the fashion houses here.

I had a house myself for a while and it was a nice little mini game but at the end of the day the interior was just an instanced space connected to a dead neighborhood that I never saw anyone in.

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Who are you to decide what people like and dislike ? Housing in my case in this game is my passion and I absolutely love to do it, amongst other things like socializing and some roleplay there and there, I dont understand what your point is, but from what I get it's basically "it's just housing so its whatever just chill"

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Who are you to decide what people like and dislike ? Housing in my case in this game is my passion and I absolutely love to do it, amongst other things like socializing and some roleplay there and there, I dont understand what your point is, but from what I get it's basically "it's just housing so its whatever just chill"

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Why so hostile? I simply stated that I don't get the uproar.

At the end of the day housing is side content that 90% of it is available in instanced apartments. If decorating houses in a game is your true passion, it may be better spent in a game that is designed around it as it's primary feature.

All the i'm unsubbing because of housing to me is as ridiculous as someone saying I'm unsubbing because of changes in the gold saucer.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Who are you to decide what people like and dislike ? Housing in my case in this game is my passion and I absolutely love to do it, amongst other things like socializing and some roleplay there and there, I dont understand what your point is, but from what I get it's basically "it's just housing so its whatever just chill"

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There is such are large group of people that have not been able to get a house since ARR, and you been here since 2021 whining that you didn't get your first shot at one. You will learn to move on and accept housing is rare and unlikely.

What boggles the mind is that an archaic game known as Gaia Online handled the housing system LEAGUES better than FFXIV. You had a whole neighborhood of players but there were several neighborhoods across several channels. Housing was never a Black Friday bloodbath.

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Originally Posted by Iedarus

archaic game known as Gaia Online.

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I'll see you in 6.2 then, and again in 6.3, and once again in 6.4 and 6.5.

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Originally Posted by Raim

They have said countless times due to server restrictions they can't just make infinite instanced housing. Calling them liars isn't going to help. Island Sanctuary won't be nearly as detailed as actual housing, nor should it because then why have housing wards?

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I highly doubt it is technical issues. In fact I suspect a fully instanced housing system would require less system resources than the current devoid of players ward system assuming the instanced system is well designed. Housing has been something SEQ has hinted at for a long time that they really don't believe should be in the game. It has been pretty much a failure from the beginning due to SEQ not having a good understanding of what the user base is looking for and underestimating its popularity. To change course now would mean FF XIV leadership would have to admit the current system is not a success and that they wasted a lot of effort trying to put lipstick on a pig. So the real issues is not technical so much as the ward based housing system has become a matter of saving face. There is a compromise which could be considered a win-win and that would be keeping and freezing the ward system with all of its restrictions and a parallel instanced housing system for the larger player base.

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Originally Posted by Listrella

the housing could be better that is true, but to unsub over it is just ridiculous, you said it yourself it's a side game. you're going to ignore all the other stuff the game has added just because one aspect isn't working properly. I did not what they did with teh alliance raids in shadowbringers, I didn't quit the game over it. I'm sure something will be worked out, you just need to be patient.

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I don't find unsubbing ridiculous when a company refuses to deliver an advertised feature to everyone who wants to participate in the feature. We all pay for the same thing, we should all have the same availability where EVERY feature is concerned. Some of us have been waiting for YEARS at this point to move into a larger home, and others have now been waiting for over 2 years just to get into the smallest size. The new lottery system is unfair in every way, it's bugged, and most of all it is just another cover-up for their unwillingness to devote the time and resources to getting enough server space to house every player. Yes, that is EXACTLY their job, and all we've gotten so far are excuses and distraction from the facts. They don't want to pay for the equipment they need to give us what they advertise. It is that simple, and the only thing they're going to hear at this point is the sound of subs dropping.

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

Probably because people begged and cried that they wanted to be able to own personal homes.

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money sink.
"We" players from 1.0 had a lot of gils, even after a 90% cut of our wallet (1.0 1m -> ARR 100k). The FCs had already bought a house, a lot of plots were empty and SE did 1+1.
The lack of housing exploded with HW, when many "new" players began to have a lot of money and no way to spend it.

You were willing to play the game since October 2011 (according to the forums) and only now are deciding to unsubscribe solely because of issues with the newer lottery service?

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Originally Posted by GomezAddams

I don't find unsubbing ridiculous when a company refuses to deliver an advertised feature to everyone who wants to participate in the feature. We all pay for the same thing, we should all have the same availability where EVERY feature is concerned. Some of us have been waiting for YEARS at this point to move into a larger home, and others have now been waiting for over 2 years just to get into the smallest size. The new lottery system is unfair in every way, it's bugged, and most of all it is just another cover-up for their unwillingness to devote the time and resources to getting enough server space to house every player. Yes, that is EXACTLY their job, and all we've gotten so far are excuses and distraction from the facts. They don't want to pay for the equipment they need to give us what they advertise. It is that simple, and the only thing they're going to hear at this point is the sound of subs dropping.

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you overestimate your effect, people unsubbing because of housing does not make up the majority of the playerbase. You said it yourself this is not an easy fix for them, they do not have unilimited resources, if they devoted what was needed to provide what your askign then the rest of the game woudl suffer for it, and then we'd get people complaining about that, so jsut accept that the housing system is never going to be ideal. the ff14 devs have other concerns than the housing system, devoting everything to it would ruin the game!

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Originally Posted by Listrella

if your sole reason is to play is to get a house then fine leave. this isn't a house dress up game, somebody get so worked up just because they can't have everything they want. I personally stopped trying to get a house ages ago and instead enjoyed all the other content this game has to offer.

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If some things don't change, and not just housing, soon...some will indeed leave. Maybe not a lot to matter much, but they will. But as time goes on, those numbers will increase as the game continues to stagnate on multiple fronts. As you sit there in your emptying Limsa plaza, waiting a long time for what used to be relatively quick queues for the most trivials of things, seeing the chat silent as the grave...you will wish those people had stayed and that SE had listened. This isn't just about housing. Housing is a symptom of a much larger issue that you and others are blind to.

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Originally Posted by MellowMink

You were willing to play the game since October 2011 (according to the forums) and only now are deciding to unsubscribe solely because of issues with the newer lottery service?

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There is such a thing as the straw the breaks the camel's back. This game has a lot of shortcomings, and I can understand this latest fiasco pushing people off the edge finally.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

If some things don't change, and not just housing, soon...some will indeed leave. Maybe not a lot to matter much, but they will. But as time goes on, those numbers will increase as the game continues to stagnate on multiple fronts. As you sit there in your emptying Limsa plaza, waiting a long time for what used to be relatively quick queues for the most trivials of things, seeing the chat silent as the grave...you will wish those people had stayed and that SE had listened. This isn't just about housing. Housing is a symptom of a much larger issue that you and others are blind to.

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I fail to see the issues, the alliance raid this patch has been called by some the best alliance raid they've ever done (though I personally disagree) a lot of people are loving the pvp, the story is a good as ever. I fail to see what problems your referring to. I have been playing for years and i'm not even slightly tempted to leave.

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Originally Posted by Listrella

you overestimate your effect, people unsubbing because of housing does not make up the majority of the playerbase. You said it yourself this is not an easy fix for them, they do not have unilimited resources, if they devoted what was needed to provide what your askign then the rest of the game woudl suffer for it, and then we'd get people complaining about that, so jsut accept that the housing system is never going to be ideal. the ff14 devs have other concerns than the housing system, devoting everything to it would ruin the game!

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I mean, fair. The devs can't devote all their time into housing, that's a given. But that just begs the question, what are they actually devoting their time to? Not hrothgar hair. Not Vieira hats. Not rampantly requested Spanish localisation. Not sensible job changes that don't feel like they come out of left field. Not the newest extreme, which I and many people feel is underwhelming due to it being the final boss. Not on fixing mch and nin's ping issues. Not on making tanks and Healers less mindnumbing.

They have obviously spent time on the alliance raids and the new plates. I really like those two things, I think they're great. But it seems they have devoted everything into those two things. This is kind of ruining the patch, is it not? I realise it is of course very easy for someone like me to just point out the flaws in the system, and it is obviously a lot more complex. But me and other players are gonna start thinking, “where is our money going” if they can't even figure out how to do simple random number generation for a lottery.

While I wouldn't say this has ruined the patch for me, since it's not fully out yet, I can say this patch has made a horrible first impression on me. This is the patch that is supposed to start the next era of ffxiv. And this is what we get? with the devs asking for 4 months between patches instead of the usual amount of time, it doesn't seem like the extra time they got is being put to good use. Or even any use.