So, YoshiP seems interested in NFTs (just not in FF14)

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02-20-2022, 06:49 AM
Fhaerron

Keep in mind that they said "at this time".

Look at my signature and well there's a ton of times where Yoshi P straight out lied that he wouldn't do something or x and it was or became Y instead.

Don't celebrate just yet though. I hope just as you that NFT's won't make it into the game but the future is uncertain. Remeber that SE just like any other game company wants to make money.
02-20-2022, 10:15 AM
Garruss

I think if NFT's come to this game, a lot of people will up and leave. Would they want that and lose out for something that won't even sell? Companies need to get in into their thick skulls we don't want NFT's in our games
02-20-2022, 12:21 PM
Darthgummibear

FFXIV is my last bastion of online gaming, and one where I still feel like my experience is respected by the people running the show. If that soul-sucking dumpster fire otherwise-known-as NFT's so much as touches this game, I'm done with MMO's for good...I'm certainly not alone in this sentiment.
02-20-2022, 12:33 PM
Jojoya

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Originally Posted by Fhaerron

Keep in mind that they said "at this time".

Look at my signature and well there's a ton of times where Yoshi P straight out lied that he wouldn't do something or x and it was or became Y instead.

Don't confuse lying with plans changing after seeing how something works out in practice. It's only a lie if he knew at the time he made the statement that they were actually planning to add demolition to the game.

He may not have final authority over whether NFTs get added despite his position as Producer/Director. If shareholders pressure the Board of Directors into adding NFTs because they think it will increase their investment return, YoshiP may not have a choice regardless of his own preference.

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Originally Posted by Garruss

Companies need to get in into their thick skulls we don't want NFT's in our games

That will only happen if idiots don't start buying NFTs. Sadly there are a lot of idiots out there. As long as a rich sucker will waste money on it, someone will sell it for profit.

For me the question is how much would my game experience change if NFTs are added and I choose to not to engage with the in-game NFT market.
02-20-2022, 01:40 PM
Raoabolic

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Originally Posted by Maxilor

At least with horse armor I can put it on my horse and ride around on it.

Also any hope I had for NFTs died when people tried profiting off selling NFTs of dead people without permission or consent.

What are you talking about, NFTs are just horse armor with a super special number! The way I see it, if companies can get away with dlc/cash shops in it's current state with minimal pushback then it's only a matter of time until NFTs becomes accepted. That said, I would rather be pleasantly surprised than right though I rarely get surprised now a days. :/
02-20-2022, 02:23 PM
SamsaraTrickstar

Good we so far won't see it in ff14 (as much as we can trust yoshi or even if it's his move to make). But SE us super scamy company so they go for this scam us not a surprise to me.
02-20-2022, 02:28 PM
SamsaraTrickstar

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

NFTs are an interesting technology that is sadly being poorly explained and implemented.

How it's interesting? It's just a digital token to show have something. It got no practical use really
02-20-2022, 02:37 PM
MilkieTea

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

NFTs are an interesting technology that is sadly being poorly explained and implemented.

To anyone who genuinely thinks this, I'll explain: NFTs are a digital receipt, that's all. They do not prove ownership over an item or object ingame or irl. For example, take the NFT profile icon stuff:

If you purchase an NFT of a profile icon, that does not mean you now own the profile icon - you own a digital "piece of paper" that displays the receipt of the profile icon.
An easy way to understand this: Let's say I have a line, a queue. It does not go anywhere, but it exists. I sell places in that queue, and "good" numbers (1, 2, 5, 11, 69, 2222, 666, 4444... etc...) cost more to queue in to. Now, you buy that "queue" spot, that number. You purchase that number, and I give you a visual representation of that number. I can change that visual representation whenever I want, because you've only purchased the "number", not the visual representation OF that number. But I allow you to say "I own this *visual representation*" because it is more lucrative for me.

That's an NFT. All you own is the "receipt". The number. You don't own the picture or ingame item etc behind the number. That can be changed whenever (though obviously to foster trust between the NFT owners and creators, it is in their best interest to not change it until they deem it suitable).
02-20-2022, 02:45 PM
Lily_Skye

You were the chosen one! It was said that you would destroy the Cryptobros, not join them! Bring balance to the dynamis, not leave it in darkness! You were my brother Yoshi-P! I loved you!
02-20-2022, 04:10 PM
SamsaraTrickstar

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

To anyone who genuinely thinks this, I'll explain: NFTs are a digital receipt, that's all. They do not prove ownership over an item or object ingame or irl. For example, take the NFT profile icon stuff:

If you purchase an NFT of a profile icon, that does not mean you now own the profile icon - you own a digital "piece of paper" that displays the receipt of the profile icon.
An easy way to understand this: Let's say I have a line, a queue. It does not go anywhere, but it exists. I sell places in that queue, and "good" numbers (1, 2, 5, 11, 69, 2222, 666, 4444... etc...) cost more to queue in to. Now, you buy that "queue" spot, that number. You purchase that number, and I give you a visual representation of that number. I can change that visual representation whenever I want, because you've only purchased the "number", not the visual representation OF that number. But I allow you to say "I own this *visual representation*" because it is more lucrative for me.

That's an NFT. All you own is the "receipt". The number. You don't own the picture or ingame item etc behind the number. That can be changed whenever (though obviously to foster trust between the NFT owners and creators, it is in their best interest to not change it until they deem it suitable).

Good way to look at it.
02-20-2022, 04:40 PM
Vahlnir

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Originally Posted by Garruss

I think if NFT's come to this game, a lot of people will up and leave. Would they want that and lose out for something that won't even sell? Companies need to get in into their thick skulls we don't want NFT's in our games

Oh, I doubt that they would have any trouble selling NFTs here. Heck, people pay an arm and a leg for out of print statues/emotes/minions, and the prices on the NA store are also pretty expensive for something as simple as an action figure or statue. They can get away with it because they know people will pay their prices. They could get away with it if they really wanted to. I just hope they don't take that plunge with FF XIV. I'll be on the forums the moment it is announced voicing my displeasure.
02-20-2022, 05:11 PM
MsQi

Did his statement get recorded?

but even if he is personally against them, he works for a company and will have to do what he's told.
02-20-2022, 08:37 PM
StriderShinryu

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Originally Posted by MsQi

Did his statement get recorded?

but even if he is personally against them, he works for a company and will have to do what he's told.

Yes, they did it in a kind of pre Live Letter mini stream before LL 68 here:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1302620224

Not sure if there's a Youtube equivalent to that but that's it on Twitch at least. The bit about NFTs starts around 38 minutes into the VoD
02-20-2022, 08:56 PM
ReynTime

The way a good percentage of this community worships Yoshi-P, if he ends up doing that stage talk about NFTs to say they're a good thing, that chunk of the community would start saying NFTs are good just because he said it.
02-20-2022, 10:04 PM
Raoabolic

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

How it's interesting? It's just a digital token to show have something. It got no practical use really

Back in my day, that was called your "account". Now, this "account" ties whatever digital items you purchase to a unique ID and password only YOU know. Strange, I know!
02-20-2022, 10:16 PM
SamsaraTrickstar

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Originally Posted by MsQi

Did his statement get recorded?

but even if he is personally against them, he works for a company and will have to do what he's told.

He did not say he is against them. Just that at the moment they don't plan it.
02-21-2022, 12:31 AM
MsQi

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Originally Posted by StriderShinryu

Yes, they did it in a kind of pre Live Letter mini stream before LL 68 here:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1302620224

Not sure if there's a Youtube equivalent to that but that's it on Twitch at least. The bit about NFTs starts around 38 minutes into the VoD

Thanks, I originally watched live on YT but I missed that. I looked back at the YT video and found it.
02-21-2022, 05:07 PM
linayar

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Originally Posted by Sclair0

The main way I can see Square using them working so far is kind of like a virtual amiibo. The NFT itself has no interaction with the game, but it interacts with a purpose built tool that gives you benefits in the game.

E.g. "Rare Tier Nomura Artwork NFT! Buy one of this collection of 100 and get exclusive emotes/mounts/glamour for XIV and a new summoning materia for FF7R!"

The least labour intensive way of integrating NFTs with video games is just to not bother, and just set up marketplaces for them that the company can take a heavy cut of when people engage in speculation. Then to use them as keys to gatekeep extra content.

I feel like that example is better served by the online store and having the NFT be associated with more than one game could be problematic.

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