Final Fantasy XIV Hot Takes

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

8. We don't need a content formula any more. It's boring.

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It's boring but it shuts down the content hogs who think more content should be directed to them at everyone else's expense.

*cough*raiders*cough*

Oh god don't make me do this for my first post....

FF14 is just as toxic as WoW, but instead of rage baby toxicity, it's passive aggressive manipulation.

<3 u guys :D

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

As the title suggests, please share your hot takes on XIV here. I'll go first. The music really isn't all that memorable outside a couple of tracks. I keep many other games' osts in rotation in my regular listening, but not XIV. Furthermore, often after I hear it once when content is new I'll flip the music off and just pull up something of Spotify or YouTube.

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Wait-- hold on-- you're saying you don't find more than a couple of the music compositions memorable? You're implying that several more of Soken-sama's music is not memorable enough for you?

How about starting a thread that underlines what has been done right...?

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

It's boring but it shuts down the content hogs who think more content should be directed to them at everyone else's expense.

*cough*raiders*cough*

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Sounds like you may be the content hog.

Only hot take I can think of is if one doesn't like something, move on from it.

It'll be alright without you.
Really.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

Sounds like you may be the content hog.

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That might make since if I were the one asking for the removal of the established system.

But since I'm not, I can only assume I poked a nerve and guessed EXACTLY why you want it removed.

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

Hermes is an entirely misunderstood character and once someone grasps what his character flaws are and how he viewed the world, he becomes a much more sympathetic character

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Hermes, sure.
Fanny Dantom can get out of my face.

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

It's boring but it shuts down the content hogs who think more content should be directed to them at everyone else's expense.

*cough*raiders*cough*

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We haven't gotten an Ultimate since 2019. They aren't even successfully delivering on the existing content formula.

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Originally Posted by Ramesses

Wait-- hold on-- you're saying you don't find more than a couple of the music compositions memorable? You're implying that several more of Soken-sama's music is not memorable enough for you?

How about starting a thread that underlines what has been done right...?

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Of the compositions that I actually listen to outside of the game, those are basically ARR and 1.0 reuse such as Answer. Or they are from HW.

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

That might make since if I were the one asking for the removal of the established system.

But since I'm not, I can only assume I poked a nerve and guessed EXACTLY why you want it removed.

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No one mentioned anything about raiding or what ever, but the content is so formulaic you can predict what content is dropping in what patch. I can tell you how many bosses will be in each dungeon, how many pulls you will have in each dungeon. That's a problem.

New hot take:
No one offends each other faster than raiders and non-raiders saying the tiniest peep against each other.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

Of the compositions that I actually listen to outside of the game, those are basically ARR and 1.0 reuse such as Answer. Or they are from HW.

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And nothing from Shadowbringers?

Or did you skip through the whole expansion?

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

The last stretch of EW was weak because all emotional pull is rendered null because of the established macguffin.

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+1
EW's ending was VERY weak compared to the end of ShB. I hope by 6.5 I do a 180 on my take but I really don't expect it, that said I would rather be pleasantly surprised than right.

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Originally Posted by LittleChickenNugget

We don't need more classes or races.

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I always like to see new jobs, but I think new races in a game where you're expected to only play one character is a complete waste of time. That goes double, now that we've seen how those new races get rolled out with only one gender at a time and problems with headwear.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

+1
EW's ending was VERY weak compared to the end of ShB. I hope by 6.5 I do a 180 on my take but I really don't expect it, that said I would rather be pleasantly surprised than right.

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EW just felt like endless fanservice, if you stripped it out the expansion is empty...that doesn't even count the retcons and pulling bird girl out of their @$$. It also reiterated how they're afraid to kill any characters that matter. I'm taking an alt through the MSQ, and it's just driving home how many times major characters should have died but somehow completely recovered.

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Originally Posted by DBriggs304

Only hot take I can think of is if one doesn't like something, move on from it.

It'll be alright without you.
Really.

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WHOA WHOA WHOA.......this IS a Hot Take.
Put on some Mittens man, before you Burn Yourself.

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Originally Posted by LittleChickenNugget

We don't need more classes

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I agree
Job Balance has been bad and it will only get worse with More Jobs to Balance

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Originally Posted by LittleChickenNugget

We don't need more Races.

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LIES
We Need Bangaa, at least 1 more Playable Beast Race to add more Options and Fanservice since we got Viera.
We should get Ivalician Moogles for another Short Race Option so the Lalafell arn't all Alone.
And Sure why not, update & add in Lupin, because Im sure people would love to be a Battle Puppy....and its weird we didnt get them instead of Hrothgar (I still love them but still)

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

EW just felt like endless fanservice, if you stripped it out the expansion is empty...that doesn't even count the retcons and pulling bird girl out of their @$$. It also reiterated how they're afraid to kill any characters that matter. I'm taking an alt through the MSQ, and it's just driving home how many times major characters should have died but somehow completely recovered.

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My biggest issue is the writing.

EW SPOILERS





The entire first two acts felt like they were trying to tell a story emphasizing the fact that everything is finite and to enjoy/make the most of your life only for the finale to throw all that out the window and go full shonen jump. I like a good shonen/hero story but don't set it up as something serious only to go full anime tropes like that. It seriously felt like the writers wrote themselves into a corner at the end. The bird girl could have even worked but it felt like a missed opportunity in general. At least we got Flow and P4's theme. Those sounded pretty sweet.

No one cares if you play a Female Roegadyn or Elezen, you're not special ( 99% of Femroes use the identical face too lol ).
Some people act like it's some great accomplishment or something and like it makes them better than others.
I've played both and what I started as and have played the most of is Female Highlander which is also one of the least played too.
I didn't play any of these to pretend like I am special I played them because I liked them it's no different than someone playing a Miqo'te because they like them you're literally doing the exact same thing.
Having an unusual preference doesn't make you deserving of a medal.

I am obviosuly talking about a certain vocal group of people, but I've experienced it ingame too not just on the Forums, Reddit and Twitter.
Whenever I've played any of these I've had usually people who also play them fetishize my character and act like we're best buddies out of nowhere because we play the same race and gender combo.
It's kinda weird tbh.
People who act like they're superior to everyone who plays Miqo'te in particular because they're the most popular are just being kinda pathetic imagine putting that much value on what someone else plays in a video game.

Edit: It's also especially bizarre when part of acting superior about it is because they think negatively of Miqo'te or Viera in particular because they're '' sexy races '' but then they themselves fetishize the hell out of their Femroe.
It's like people who fetishize modest women and find it really sexy but then give people shit because they find skimpy clothes sexy.
Why tf are you acting superior for having a different sexual preference rofl? It's still a sexual preference it's quite literally the same thing just expressed differently.

StB was the best expansion for overall gameplay. Don’t @me

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Originally Posted by Ramesses

And nothing from Shadowbringers?

Or did you skip through the whole expansion?

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After my initial playthrough, in game music was off 99% of the time.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

After my initial playthrough, in game music was off 99% of the time.

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Lies-- show us your gameplay videos to prove and justify your statement.

I think "Press one keybind multiple times" in rotations are boring and uninspired. I am looking at you Paladin, with Atonement, Holy(as well as Holy Circle) and Confiteor.

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

My hot take is this thread is mostly two things...

1) Half of the replies are the most controversial thing they could think of to troll.

2) The other half are completely safe opinions that most people agree on.

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The fact that you regard other people's opinions as trolling says more about you than about them.

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

The fact that you regard other people's opinions as trolling says more about you than about them.

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It says I'm perceptive enough to recognize when someone is trolling.

EW has a bad theme song and I disliked all of its trial music.

Hot take:
A TEST OF YOUR REFLEXES!
xD

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

I love pineapple on pizza. Fight me.

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I'll fight on your team.

healing is fun

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

The fact that you regard other people's opinions as trolling says more about you than about them.

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

It says I'm perceptive enough to recognize when someone is trolling.

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Don't think it matters in the end. Being that FFXIV's a video game, nothing said here about it could really be a hot take. It's just unfortunate that in this gaming age, something disliked is considered a hot take when a long time ago, people would just shrug it off. Idk why that changed.

1.0 combat was more interesting and had more potential than the current combat once the stamina system was removed. Removing the monster part/debilitation system was a huge mistake.

Cutting off the action and trait system from that time was a mistake. When you discourage players from leveling multiple jobs through your extremely restrictive weekly caps, leveling methods, and homogenization of job play, you defeat the main purpose of having 15+ jobs you can have in 1 character. Every Bravely and FF game that had a job system after FF3 had cross-job advantages for a reason. Furthremore even with homogenization job balance still is flawed. It will always be flawed. Balance and META is a poor excuse for this. Every game with options has a META. Doesn't render the non meta choices useless.

The writing in the MSQ for ShB and EW is only good if you think Naruto is the pinnacle of writing.

1.23 had the best potential of XIV and every good it had was scrapped for no good reason.

Making every optional dungeon tied to DF is a massive mistake.

Soken's work is overrated. Yeah I get it he had cancer, doesn't mean I can't criticize his work. He relies way too much on leitmotifs. And while on topic of music, and not his fault, this game is creative bankrupt when it comes to night time music. Every night time music in the overworld is just a slow piano version of the normal theme...

Dungeon design is horrendously tedious. If they're stubbornly sticking with it they have the obligation to make more interesting overworld PvE content.

Au'ra are the most redundant race in the game.

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Originally Posted by Ramesses

And nothing from Shadowbringers?

Or did you skip through the whole expansion?

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Probably because at that point he didn't even try to be subtle about the leitmotif abuse to the point most of the tracks stop standing out from each other enough.

On the topic of music, I really am not a fan of all the electric guitar, heavy drums, weird vocals and so on that tends to end up in a lot of the raid/trial music. It seems really outta place to me.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

The writing in the MSQ for ShB and EW is only good if you think Naruto is the pinnacle of writing.

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Whoa slow down bro. I don’t think they’re ready for the truth.

Y'know what, I'll bite the bait: Honestly? I thought Fandaniel was an interesting character from his first appearance. Sue me, I like rancid little men ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯

(Also, I mean... the theatrics are just a delight to watch. Those animators and voice actors must've been having a really good time.)

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

1.0 combat was more interesting and had more potential than the current combat once the stamina system was removed. Removing the monster part/debilitation system was a huge mistake.

Cutting off the action and trait system from that time was a mistake. When you discourage players from leveling multiple jobs through your extremely restrictive weekly caps, leveling methods, and homogenization of job play, you defeat the main purpose of having 15+ jobs you can have in 1 character. Every Bravely and FF game that had a job system after FF3 had cross-job advantages for a reason. Furthremore even with homogenization job balance still is flawed. It will always be flawed. Balance and META is a poor excuse for this. Every game with options has a META. Doesn't render the non meta choices useless.

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Currently making a similar arguement on the Tank forums

Tanks don't exist in FF14 because they removed aggro, all tanks are are DPS with more health. The game is moving towards a death spiral due to the homogenisation of roles. They took away tanks role so they had to give them something else, self sustain moves, which started to take healer role. Eventually we will all be DPS playing a bullet hell game. RIP FF14 was fun while it lasted

Bard should be a full on support healer and not a heavy hitting speedy proc based archer monstrosity. I’d say they should be ashamed by the state of it but I genuinely think they are.

Healers should be designed to heal/support majority of the time and not have time to dps.

When SE practically deleted buffs and debuffs and replaced with the generic ‘damage up’ or ‘damage down’ effect they were making a huge mistake because it watered down the battle system too much.

The numbered system instead of tiered is so lame. I’d rather have Firagaja than Fire V

The Scions are all bland characters with little personality beyond tired tropes and almost no real development over like 6 expansions.

New Summoner is fun. Needs work but still fun.

90% of Scholars play purely for the ‘intellectual’ aesthetics and to have a fairy pet not because they actually have an interest in the job.

Lastly, this game overall doesn’t resemble a Final Fantasy game in any way, shape or form beyond specific references to previous games. Even the job system doesn’t feel in any way like it would in a ‘Final Fantasy’

Endwalker didn't feel as big as it was hyped up to be

Regarding EW story. I didn't feel like the Loporrits section was paddling and I quite enjoyed it.

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Originally Posted by Gullis

Endwalker didn't feel as big as it was hyped up to be

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Outside of the story (which was cool playing it but looking back at it was very horrible) it's no different then every expansion SB on. The game is stuck in a formulaic loop that it will not break. Is what was great about ARR and HW was the game took risks and was experimental. Now we get repetitive garbage that we can do for a week and it becomes irrelevant again.

The stormblood alliance raids are even more of a fanservice reference fest than the by definition fan service nier alliance raids. Entirely forced into the game, including the forced tie in to bozja.

- For a game that is so story driven the amount of voice over is really just pathetic
- Many scenes that were emotional ready to take me were just destroyed by this comical emoting that either goes like this https://youtu.be/7C2MTMr7Eys?t=75 or goes like this https://media.giphy.com/media/1BdJd2...XYb0/giphy.gif
- The UI is somewhat bad the amount of split systems is one thing but the map is nuclear bad like this was made with the purpose to be bad
- New players are so encapsulated it's a holy wonder to me that so many people just continue:
# You want to join a guild? Search on our website
# You want to understand what to do? Read this mega long guide on our website
# You want to whisper someone? You better know the syntax
# Want to play blackmage? Should have known the preclasses
# Did all the sidequests? Only the MSQ/blues are important
# Ask for help in noob chat? Better hope you know who to talk to to get you invited.
This game is a mess for new players that don't have a friend explain it to them or watch 2 hours of guides.
- Endwalker has so many plot holes and the amount of space alien, matter and anti matter references were
so big that one time I was sure that hermes would disclose that he worked on ancient aliens before.

hot take end