Are japanese Datacenters really such paradises?

I think people over hype this DC way too much
like best part is raid finder for current ex trials and thats it
rest its basically the same as other DC.

once OCE drops Elemental really gonna get stubborn with none JP players sadly even more.

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Originally Posted by Vonleo

JI know SE is a japanese company but its actually quite appalling how little effort they put into two of the biggest fan bases when it comes to moderating our forums and having actual GM's in game. They can obviously afford it but there investors need to be willing to pay for the extra costs which they wont cause 1.0 sunk them hardcore.

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Even if the moderators and GMs want to, my guess is that they simply don't have the flexibility or authority to engage with the player base in the way that many younger western players have come to expect from big companies.

It's not so much about cost and affordability, but more about process and authority.
In Japanese organizations there is usually a very clear hierarchy and chain of approvals for public communications and actions, which appears painfully slow and inefficient to non-Japanese.

Obviously I've had negative experiences too but I've played since ARR and basically have almost no negative experiences on Light EU ( tho I think I played on Chaos initially, I quit playing for a while and when I came back I made a new account long time ago ).
It was mostly the same in WoW too, the worst toxicity I experienced was in WoW Classic because they merged us with the Spanish and there was a ton of drama and fighting with them and they took over a bunch of channels and refused to speak English.

Whenever I see people complain about toxicity in English speaking communities tho it tends to revolve around NA.
I think that's more of an overall thing tho there's a reason why 99% of all drama online you see on English speaking platforms revolves around the US and US politics.
Even when it comes to political Streamers and Youtubers who are from the EU they still obsess about it and basically never talk about their own country because it's what gets an audience and attention.

I have a lot of problems with other Swedes particularly with how passive aggressive people can be, but on surface level at least it's a complete night and day difference and people are generally significantly more relaxed and less antagonistic and dramatic.
Throwing gigantic tantrums about your opinions and politics etc isn't something that is considered acceptable and you'll get ostracized very quickly for it.
And in my experience at least it does extend to most of Europe.

When I hear people talk about Japan it honestly sounds a lot like Sweden to me and my experience traveling in Europe at least.
And I really don't find it to be all that different ingame either.
Maybe it's just how my personal experience has been by chance but I really think this is a fairly consistent thing across just the internet and other games too in general.

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Originally Posted by Kahnom

It's about priority when it comes to feedback.
Listen to Japanese players first, collecting data, then move to NA and EU's feedback.

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I really don't see the problem with this either, it's a Japanese game and company.
It's not like studios located in NA don't prioritize their native country first or anything, oh wait.
And there's less of an excuse there because the teams are rarely only composed of people from NA, usually it's full of Europeans too ( same with movies, they're a combined effort ).

Where did you even heard about JP server being paradise...? XD
are you sure this is not some case of "the grass is greener on the other side" ?

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1. Nobody is ever toxic or negative, everyone is always extremely helpful and you can make friends with everyone regardless of whether you are japanese, chinese or westerner

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To be more precise, usually if something bad happen, they will keep it to themselves, then silently vote abandon
they just do it silently, no trash talk, no drama... done, then move on...
but this is almost never happening in normal duty, and rare case in higher difficulty
some degree of japanese language proficiency is also a boost, most of japanese have little proficiency in english
so if you could adjust yourself to the culture and language barrier (mostly, the culture adjustment is enough), its all good

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2. They can clear all content via duty finder and party finder with extreme rates of success, be they savage or ultimates, and the skill level in japanese DCs are tenfold what you would find in NA DCs. There is never any debate or disagreements in duties.

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most normal content is clearable via DF, thats true, even extreme trials and to some degree savages as well
this is possible because we usually have one (or at most two) standard strategy in the form of macros, that almost everybody know how to do the mech, and respected it.
It usually whoever put the marker and macro first, the rest will follow saids stratagem and assign themselves to the roles (MT, ST, H1, H2, D1, D2, etc).
Or in case of PF, the leader will specify, so joiner adjust.

I'm not sure about NA DC since i never play there, but I heard NA DC player have some allergies to macro based strategy ?
oh, also every macro is in japanese, soo... there's that.. :D

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3. Nobody ever overprices or undercuts severely in the marketboard, the economy is extremely healthy and everything is sold and bought at fair prices.

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I'm not an expert on market board things, but undercuts does exist, high demand will increase the price, low demand will lower the price

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4. Nobody is ever inappropriate in social interactions, there are no sexual advances or swear words, everything is always kept E.

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to be more precise, the social interactions is usually kept about their own social circles,
public speaking is rare occurrence here, even in main city aetheryte,
seems to be a difference in culture, as I heard in NA, public says and shout is common occurence,
whereas here, it is almost discouraged to talk in public for selfish reason (i.e. chat with a friend for prolonged time in /says )

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5. You can buy houses just by walking up to them and clicking on the placard, there are more houses than there are people who want houses.

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almost all ward is full right now, and even if you found a free spot, you still also need to compete with other that also want that plot

basically, point 1 to 4 is all depend on the situation because everyday is a different experience

for point 5 however, i think 90% here will said "good luck trying to buy house in jp server" lol

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

From what I hear content creators talk about japanese datacenters, it sounds to me like they are utopias of gaming communities
1. Nobody is ever toxic or negative, everyone is always extremely helpful and you can make friends with everyone regardless of whether you are japanese, chinese or westerner
2. They can clear all content via duty finder and party finder with extreme rates of success, be they savage or ultimates, and the skill level in japanese DCs are tenfold what you would find in NA DCs. There is never any debate or disagreements in duties.
3. Nobody ever overprices or undercuts severely in the marketboard, the economy is extremely healthy and everything is sold and bought at fair prices.
4. Nobody is ever inappropriate in social interactions, there are no sexual advances or swear words, everything is always kept E.
5. You can buy houses just by walking up to them and clicking on the placard, there are more houses than there are people who want houses.

If this is all true, this sounds like paradise for most ffxiv players and exactly the ideal world they would like to play in, but if someone here is part of a japanse DC, could you confirm or deny any of these statements?

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1. Yes, they keep their toxicity and negativity outside of the instance, you wouldn't get a grief because you didn't do enough dps, died too much or wasn't familiar with a mechanic. But if you did "bad things" on purpose, you would be "banned" and no one would play with you.
No, you wouldn't make friends with everyone if you mean real friendship but yes, the game interactions are calm, polite and friendly.
2. Yes, they can clear all the content via DF and PF. No, their skill level isn't tenfold of NA, it's the difference between very good and absolutely awful players is not that glowing.
The majority of JP players are okay, a bit better or worse of okay so there would never be a killed run because of that one absolutely not knowing how to play person or that one elitist jerk that will rage quit after the 1st wipe.
Indeed there're no debates or disagreements in DF and PF - there's always a general agreement how to do a fight, tactic macros and who drops them into the raid chat and if there's ABC groups or a need in a main/off tank, there's a general agreement about who does what.
3. Yes
4. Yes for the general chats. I don't speak Japanese so don't know what goes on in /tells or private LSs
5. Indeed. Bought 2 houses like that with about 6 months between the purchases. It's not because there are more houses than there are people who want them but because it's inappropriate for one person to have more than one house.

And still I moved to EU for EW because of the difference between 310 and 55ms ping. Really miss my old world but well... you can't have everything.

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

From what I hear content creators talk about japanese datacenters, it sounds to me like they are utopias of gaming communities
1. Nobody is ever toxic or negative, everyone is always extremely helpful and you can make friends with everyone regardless of whether you are japanese, chinese or westerner
2. They can clear all content via duty finder and party finder with extreme rates of success, be they savage or ultimates, and the skill level in japanese DCs are tenfold what you would find in NA DCs. There is never any debate or disagreements in duties.
3. Nobody ever overprices or undercuts severely in the marketboard, the economy is extremely healthy and everything is sold and bought at fair prices.
4. Nobody is ever inappropriate in social interactions, there are no sexual advances or swear words, everything is always kept E.
5. You can buy houses just by walking up to them and clicking on the placard, there are more houses than there are people who want houses.

If this is all true, this sounds like paradise for most ffxiv players and exactly the ideal world they would like to play in, but if someone here is part of a japanse DC, could you confirm or deny any of these statements?

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I spend a lot of time in Aegis and SEA before I move to Europe
1. We do point our finger in "public", we don't blame someone in game or in party. But we use DF very differently. In DF we expect everyone already know the baisc and mechanics. PF are where training and practice go. No we are toxic like very human on earth, we just don't let it out in game, come to our social media/forum (especially any internet place where you could hide you identity) and ready have your mind blown.

Generally, I think SEA/Oriental have a more helpful comminuty, I have receive help when I was a returner I struggle to fight some Quest mob and receive tons of help with players walk by. Where in EU I have been needing rez after a FATE boss and all the healer in the FATE just gone without a chase.

2. I have not done any savage since coil and have not done any EX after HW, like I mention eariler we use PF for training and expect everyone know the basic when joining DF.

3. I have not play with Marketboard in JP, but I rarely see anything crazy in my current DC MB as well

4. We tend not to use shout or say, if we chat it is always FC/Party/LS

5. Aegis being a legacy server meaning we never have enough housing

We are no different than NA/EU, but I was shock (in terms of EU culture). when coming to Europe, the local people give me a feeling "as long as I am within the rule, I am fine even being a jxxk". We are toxic too, just we tend to do it outside the game and this might look more "considerate" from a outside view

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

From what I hear content creators talk about japanese datacenters, it sounds to me like they are utopias of gaming communities
1. Nobody is ever toxic or negative, everyone is always extremely helpful and you can make friends with everyone regardless of whether you are japanese, chinese or westerner
2. They can clear all content via duty finder and party finder with extreme rates of success, be they savage or ultimates, and the skill level in japanese DCs are tenfold what you would find in NA DCs. There is never any debate or disagreements in duties.
3. Nobody ever overprices or undercuts severely in the marketboard, the economy is extremely healthy and everything is sold and bought at fair prices.
4. Nobody is ever inappropriate in social interactions, there are no sexual advances or swear words, everything is always kept E.
5. You can buy houses just by walking up to them and clicking on the placard, there are more houses than there are people who want houses.

If this is all true, this sounds like paradise for most ffxiv players and exactly the ideal world they would like to play in, but if someone here is part of a japanse DC, could you confirm or deny any of these statements?

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First: No, none of that is true. Any statement with "Nobody" or "Everybody" simply will never be true.

Specifically,
1) There are toxic people everywhere, but to be honest it is rarely with Japanese players, despite being on a Japanese server there are many people from many countries.
2) Eh. Check stat pages to verify this. I don't think they are any better than any other server. Rather, communities tend to gather in certain servers, so whichever one is the unofficial raid server is probably the better one? I don't do cutting-edge raids so I can't really comment beyond that.
3) It's about the same as other places. Why wouldn't it be?
4) There are ERP goings on here in Tonberry just like everywhere else. Maybe not as much as others, but it's there.
5) Certainly not true. Houses on Tonberry sell out within the day they appear, including when the entire new neighborhoods were made available.

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

From what I hear content creators talk about japanese datacenters, it sounds to me like they are utopias of gaming communities
1. Nobody is ever toxic or negative, everyone is always extremely helpful and you can make friends with everyone regardless of whether you are japanese, chinese or westerner
2. They can clear all content via duty finder and party finder with extreme rates of success, be they savage or ultimates, and the skill level in japanese DCs are tenfold what you would find in NA DCs. There is never any debate or disagreements in duties.
3. Nobody ever overprices or undercuts severely in the marketboard, the economy is extremely healthy and everything is sold and bought at fair prices.
4. Nobody is ever inappropriate in social interactions, there are no sexual advances or swear words, everything is always kept E.
5. You can buy houses just by walking up to them and clicking on the placard, there are more houses than there are people who want houses.

If this is all true, this sounds like paradise for most ffxiv players and exactly the ideal world they would like to play in, but if someone here is part of a japanse DC, could you confirm or deny any of these statements?

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1. Nobody is ever toxic or negative, everyone is always extremely helpful and you can make friends with everyone regardless of whether you are japanese, chinese or westerner
It would be a boring place if everyone thought the same thing. Japanese people aren't drones and other than the unofficial "SEA" server, you probably shouldn't be on their server as they do discriminate. I'm not sure how many unofficial "SEA" servers there are but they do get annoyed with foreigners because honestly the culture difference is significant.

2. They can clear all content via duty finder and party finder with extreme rates of success, be they savage or ultimates, and the skill level in japanese DCs are tenfold what you would find in NA DCs. There is never any debate or disagreements in duties.
Huh? Who are these gods?

3. Nobody ever overprices or undercuts severely in the marketboard, the economy is extremely healthy and everything is sold and bought at fair prices.
A fair price is always the price people are willing to buy it at. There's no such thing as not undercutting or using marketing strategies. What kind of weird communist world do you think Japan lives in?

4. Nobody is ever inappropriate in social interactions, there are no sexual advances or swear words, everything is always kept E.
Again, what kind of world do you think Japan resides in? It's just as bad if not worse.

5. You can buy houses just by walking up to them and clicking on the placard, there are more houses than there are people who want houses.
Did you just make up these random "facts" on the spot? It takes a special someone to believe any of these. lol

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Originally Posted by Eriane_Elis

A fair price is always the price people are willing to buy it at. There's no such thing as not undercutting or using marketing strategies. What kind of weird communist world do you think Japan lives in?

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Lol, you don't think this is a pretty ridiculous thing to say?

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

Lol, you don't think this is a pretty ridiculous thing to say?

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No.



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Originally Posted by Eriane_Elis

No.



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it's the truth though, the supply&demand model assumes rational consumers, rational supplies and perfect information on both sides, which is extremely unrealistic

i think what it really comes down to is people on non-jp servers (especially na tho lets be real) have no fear of social repercussion on a community scale
if you overprice or undercut? that marks you as an asshole
drag down the dps and wipe the party? youre an asshole
buy up half the ward? asshole

all the above will lead to the jp community as a whole basically shunning you afaik.

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

From what I hear content creators talk about japanese datacenters, it sounds to me like they are utopias of gaming communities
1. Nobody is ever toxic or negative, everyone is always extremely helpful and you can make friends with everyone regardless of whether you are japanese, chinese or westerner
2. They can clear all content via duty finder and party finder with extreme rates of success, be they savage or ultimates, and the skill level in japanese DCs are tenfold what you would find in NA DCs. There is never any debate or disagreements in duties.
3. Nobody ever overprices or undercuts severely in the marketboard, the economy is extremely healthy and everything is sold and bought at fair prices.
4. Nobody is ever inappropriate in social interactions, there are no sexual advances or swear words, everything is always kept E.
5. You can buy houses just by walking up to them and clicking on the placard, there are more houses than there are people who want houses.

If this is all true, this sounds like paradise for most ffxiv players and exactly the ideal world they would like to play in, but if someone here is part of a japanse DC, could you confirm or deny any of these statements?

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I've been playing on a JP server, Atomos, since I started in 2014 if that gives any sort of credence to my response.

1. Japanese players aren't openly toxic or negative. They're toxic within their own communities in their own ways. It's there, just not shoved in your face the way it is on Western data centers. The only people I've seen be openly angry/rude/toxic are English speakers.

2. It's easier for English speakers to make friends with other English speakers since we tend to be the minority population and need to stick together. For that reason, most majority EN FCs not on Tonberry are picky about who they let in since a lot of us tend to be EN speakers living in Japan or who have lived in Japan and rolled on a JP server to avoid the behaviors associated with Western MMOs. Also, since we're a smaller community, having asshats in the FC is much more likely to give the FC a bad reputation, which is more important on JP servers than NA/EU.

3. "Free Market Competition" in JP economies is waaaaaaay less intense than NA servers. Our economies tend to be smaller and people generally don't undercut by ridiculous amounts to get things sold. I've seen videos of people on NA and EU servers talking about Make 10 Million Gil in 60 Minutes by Selling XYZ!". You might make 500K to 1M on a JP server. If it an item is priced substantially less than the rest, people usually buy it and relist it so prices are generally more stable, if lower than the rest of the world.

<EDIT> I just sold an Ao Dai, a fairly desirable item where I am, for 195K, which was slightly more than the lowest price when I listed since I wasn't in a hurry to sell it. </EDIT>

4. #2 is patently untrue other than the lack of disagreements or debate. Direct disagreement, ESPECIALLY in public, is a serious social faux pas in Japan so you won't see arguing about things in party/raid chat. You'll just see an abandon duty vote or if you're the problem, get kicked without anything said. That's considered more polite.

5. You don't see Japanese players making inappropriate social advances for the most part. The majority of public swearing and random sexual advances have been by EN players. Japanese servers are generally quiet in public spaces due to the cultural importance on respecting others' space in public. In private? That's a different story, but it's in private.

6. In the past there were always plots available in all the housing districts on my server. Now? Every single one is taken and there's competition for any that become available.



TL/DR: Japanese servers are Paradises for those of us who live or have lived in Japan and/or understand Japanese culture and respect the fact that NA/EU/OCE EN players are the minority immigrants in their world. Japanese culture is often 180 degrees opposite from Western culture so if you're not able to abide by the social expectations on a JP server it'll be absolute hell for you. Atomos is perfect for me, is the best server I've played on in any MMO, and I'll never leave it. If I were forced to play on an NA or EU server I'd quit the game and never look back.

Everywhere you go, you'll find people are people, and the same things you find here, you will find anywhere else. The key differences being cultures and customs, which do not always mesh. NA, OCE, and EU get along well enough because the cultures and values are similar, but the same may not be said for these regions and pretty much anywhere in Asia.

I'm not against the datacenter visit thing, but i understand their apprehension about whether or not to put it in, because it could be perfectly fine on the one hand, or just breed animosity on the other with the culture clash.

And no, the JP datacenter is not some mythical wonderland where people are great all the time and there's no problems. Because, as i said before, people is people.

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Originally Posted by Lihtleita

i think what it really comes down to is people on non-jp servers (especially na tho lets be real) have no fear of social repercussion on a community scale
if you overprice or undercut? that marks you as an asshole
drag down the dps and wipe the party? youre an asshole
buy up half the ward? asshole

all the above will lead to the jp community as a whole basically shunning you afaik.

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How is that any different to how we treat people here? It's the same thing. There are lists both public and private. We know who the market griefers are, we know who uses gathering bots but there's really nothing we can do. The botting can be reported but nothing is ever done about it. The multiboxing market manipulation thing is also clearly a ToS violation but nothing is done about that. The best we can do is just say SHAME really loudly whenever we pass by said people. OR just let it be as we tend to do. Your moral code is entirely different than mine and as anybody else's so if we shun people for having a different PoV then we're terrible people. You just have to get gud or gudder at whatever it is I guess.

Japan and the rest of the world may have their own different cultures and expectations but at the end of the day, human is human and there's always going to be people who act differently than you. Whether you care enough about it to go out of your way to shun them is up to you, I know I don't.

Smells like weebery in here. But to answer the question, no they have their problems. Sometimes much worse than NA/EU.

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Originally Posted by Kokonji

oh, also every macro is in japanese, soo... there's that.. :D

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If you're trying to join a mixed language party where the person posting the macro is Japanese, of course it's going to be in Japanese.

English people write English macros. Sometimes there are bilingual ones too if there's space to put both languages.

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

From what I hear content creators talk about japanese datacenters, it sounds to me like they are utopias of gaming communities
1. Nobody is ever toxic or negative, everyone is always extremely helpful and you can make friends with everyone regardless of whether you are japanese, chinese or westerner
2. They can clear all content via duty finder and party finder with extreme rates of success, be they savage or ultimates, and the skill level in japanese DCs are tenfold what you would find in NA DCs. There is never any debate or disagreements in duties.
3. Nobody ever overprices or undercuts severely in the marketboard, the economy is extremely healthy and everything is sold and bought at fair prices.
4. Nobody is ever inappropriate in social interactions, there are no sexual advances or swear words, everything is always kept E.
5. You can buy houses just by walking up to them and clicking on the placard, there are more houses than there are people who want houses.

If this is all true, this sounds like paradise for most ffxiv players and exactly the ideal world they would like to play in, but if someone here is part of a japanse DC, could you confirm or deny any of these statements?

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Nah its all BS. Japan side is far more toxic. Why else would yoshi make the speech about how toxic they are. Its just different types of success and toxicity. Pick your poison.

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

From what I hear content creators talk about japanese datacenters, it sounds to me like they are utopias of gaming communities
1. Nobody is ever toxic or negative, everyone is always extremely helpful and you can make friends with everyone regardless of whether you are japanese, chinese or westerner
2. They can clear all content via duty finder and party finder with extreme rates of success, be they savage or ultimates, and the skill level in japanese DCs are tenfold what you would find in NA DCs. There is never any debate or disagreements in duties.
3. Nobody ever overprices or undercuts severely in the marketboard, the economy is extremely healthy and everything is sold and bought at fair prices.
4. Nobody is ever inappropriate in social interactions, there are no sexual advances or swear words, everything is always kept E.
5. You can buy houses just by walking up to them and clicking on the placard, there are more houses than there are people who want houses.

If this is all true, this sounds like paradise for most ffxiv players and exactly the ideal world they would like to play in, but if someone here is part of a japanse DC, could you confirm or deny any of these statements?

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Nah. That's just wish fulfillment.

Have not been on JP for many many moons because of ping after moving. If you are looking for perfection no place can be perfect, unless it is for you!

It is umm, either different type of bad or different type of good depending on how you view it. Will say that I prefer JP mentality over NA mentality after being in both places. Was quite culture shock because you hear about NA bluntness but people here have been more passive aggressive then any JP person I ever knew.

Bullying and toxicity exist in all places however without ruffling any jimmies again will say the kind of vitriol you experience on NA is very very different concept.. very different indeed.

If you are visiting JP server please attempt to learn the language, believe this has been said many times. Do not google translate we know and it is difficult to understand. There are JP who speak English well too, would rather you speak English then Japanese poorly.

In hopes am not responding to another troll thread what am attempting to say is if you wish to visit JP datacenter go for it, just be respectful and as you would hope to be anywhere and try not to have pre conceived notions. I feel like this is advice applicable anywhere though.

Short answer? No.

People will be people will be people.

I keep a few japanese words and phrases on notepad so i can copy paste them when needed. I can google translate JP to EN but i will not answer a google translated EN to JP. I reply with 1 word or short phrases.

I also do not join PF if it clearly says JP Only. If it doesnt say JP Only, I will join and at least say よろしくお願いします.

PvP wise, yes.
At least players there are play to win instead of leeching exp

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Originally Posted by Kyu-Momo

People will be people will be people.

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And that's on a good day.

I have characters on both EU and JP and also lived in the 2 regions (started playing FF14 in Japan and now moved to Europe) so here are my 2 cents:

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

1. Nobody is ever toxic or negative, everyone is always extremely helpful and you can make friends with everyone regardless of whether you are japanese, chinese or westerner

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False. While there is less overt toxicity, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
If you fail, people might not kick you but they will disband and reform without you.
Result and meaning are the same - just the manner it's done is different XD

Japanese is also one one of these languages where insults work better when hidden behind a compliment.
I can say that you're a very energetic person when I mean you're annoying or that I can see you are really doing your best when I mean you're really terrible at your job.
So if you don't read the air, you might take things as compliment when they're really not

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

2. They can clear all content via duty finder and party finder with extreme rates of success, be they savage or ultimates, and the skill level in japanese DCs are tenfold what you would find in NA DCs. There is never any debate or disagreements in duties.

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Somewhat true. I used to clear everything through PF on JP server in the past and cried a bit when moving to EU.
You use DF to learn a fight and PF to clear or reclear. Clear party and reclear parties do feel way more consistent.

Most of the time, there is ONE strategy, and you'll stick with it until then end of time, even if a new optimized version comes up.
Healers don't need to "adjust" XD

It's good or bad. I like having great structure for raids. But on the flipside so many times in dungeons we would do simple pulls when I barely see that in EU and I prefer the faster pace.

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

3. Nobody ever overprices or undercuts severely in the marketboard, the economy is extremely healthy and everything is sold and bought at fair prices.

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The JP server I am on is WAY more expensive that the EU server.
But I'm not a crafter, I don't make anything myself so I don't really care about undercutting personally

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

4. Nobody is ever inappropriate in social interactions, there are no sexual advances or swear words, everything is always kept E.

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Again, because it might be less obvious doesn't mean it is not there.

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

5. You can buy houses just by walking up to them and clicking on the placard, there are more houses than there are people who want houses.

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Yeah I actually don't know. Don't care at all about housing XD

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

Japanese is also one one of these languages where insults work better when hidden behind a compliment.
I can say that you're a very energetic person when I mean you're annoying or that I can see you are really doing your best when I mean you're really terrible at your job.
So if you don't read the air, you might take things as compliment when they're really not

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That's a very Kyoto-esque way of veiling an insult behind a compliment. w
Tokyo-ites are not as skillful. We have less subtlety and just get straight up passive aggressive.

But seriously, yes, "reading the air" is an important skill to have in Japan since there are many times when things should not be taken at face value.

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It's good or bad. I like having great structure for raids. But on the flipside so many times in dungeons we would do simple pulls when I barely see that in EU and I prefer the faster pace.

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At least in my experience from being on a JP server with very few English speakers since ARR...
I think this has changed. I experience quite a few runs where the tank pulls wall to wall. But a few years ago it was more group by group.
But I've never been in a run where the healer (usually me) or DPS asks the tank to go faster or slower. It's usually quiet, the tank goes at his/her pace, and everyone adjusts.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Sorry, it's not. Heaven doesn't exist. There is no land of milk and honey.

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Milk and honey? Each their own heaven I guess. Def not for those lactose intolerant.

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

Japanese is also one one of these languages where insults work better when hidden behind a compliment.
I can say that you're a very energetic person when I mean you're annoying or that I can see you are really doing your best when I mean you're really terrible at your job.
So if you don't read the air, you might take things as compliment when they're really not

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Originally Posted by Mikita

That's a very Kyoto-esque way of veiling an insult behind a compliment. w
Tokyo-ites are not as skillful. We have less subtlety and just get straight up passive aggressive.

But seriously, yes, "reading the air" is an important skill to have in Japan since there are many times when things should not be taken at face value.

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And then people say sarcasm doesnt exist in Japanese. Sounds an awful lot like sarcasm to me.

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

Japanese is also one one of these languages where insults work better when hidden behind a compliment.
I can say that you're a very energetic person when I mean you're annoying or that I can see you are really doing your best when I mean you're really terrible at your job.
So if you don't read the air, you might take things as compliment when they're really not

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Originally Posted by Mikita

That's a very Kyoto-esque way of veiling an insult behind a compliment. w
Tokyo-ites are not as skillful. We have less subtlety and just get straight up passive aggressive.

But seriously, yes, "reading the air" is an important skill to have in Japan since there are many times when things should not be taken at face value.

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Originally Posted by Juun

And then people say sarcasm doesnt exist in Japanese. Sounds an awful lot like sarcasm to me.

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An important aspect of sarcasm is wit.
But people in Kyoto are known for their veiled insults... without wit.

It's true that sarcasm is not really used in Japan.

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Originally Posted by Izar_Chillen

The fact that SE cannot deem it fit to have such a team for the EU and NA data centre ( they have the relevant SE offices for those countries) is quite appalling . Its one thing that stuns me about FF14 side of SE . The lack of clear and present forum GMs/Moderators , not copy paste response customer service persons , no dedicated anti troll/bot/expolit/hack/RMT staff working in the EU and NA offices like all other MMOs devs/publishers have their versions of staffing EU/NA HQs and very little dev/hr/pa to comunity communications outside of their own native forum section


Its deeply a shame especially as EU and the NA territory make up the VAST majority of this game' subscriber base.

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Don't worry, the STF is just as useless there. I've seen bots often. They only seem less active in comparison because the japanese market isn't anywhere as profitable (in gil or rmt) compared to the western DCs.

Not sure how any datacenter could be considered a paradise. Just big warehouse spaces full of noisy servers..