Increase Castrum abandon penalty

I have yet to run anything with trusts as I haven't got that far in the story yet. I will say if trusts are even half as bad as trying to run a dungeon with the Grand Company thing I want no part of them. Give me new, bad, or leaving players any day over that nightmare.

Also new people DO need to run things with other people in an easily accessible way. It teaches them how to do it and deal with stuff hits the fan moments in the way no automation system can possibly do. So I really do not see this movement to move more and more stuff to trusts as a particularly good thing. Don't want to run things with new or less accomplished people then don't queue up.

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Originally Posted by Myrany

I have yet to run anything with trusts as I haven't got that far in the story yet. I will say if trusts are even half as bad as trying to run a dungeon with the Grand Company thing I want no part of them. Give me new, bad, or leaving players any day over that nightmare.

Also new people DO need to run things with other people in an easily accessible way. It teaches them how to do it and deal with stuff hits the fan moments in the way no automation system can possibly do. So I really do not see this movement to move more and more stuff to trusts as a particularly good thing. Don't want to run things with new or less accomplished people then don't queue up.

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I had the grand idea this week to finally start leveling up my trusts, and so far I have them up to level 75, but I don't know if I want to continue. D: The lack of AoEs + having to pull most things as a single pack is rather annoying to me. :x I'm trying to fix my mindset with them as it's just supposed to be a more relaxed way to get through dungeons, but aaaarg. lol.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

I had the grand idea this week to finally start leveling up my trusts, and so far I have them up to level 75, but I don't know if I want to continue. D: The lack of AoEs + having to pull most things as a single pack is rather annoying to me. :x I'm trying to fix my mindset with them as it's just supposed to be a more relaxed way to get through dungeons, but aaaarg. lol.

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I know the feeling. I found using the grand company group thing to be frustration incarnate. Having to micromanage all the NPCs so they didn't hair off and pull more than could be handled or stand in the bad or whatever other hairbrained thing was just DRAINING. Gave up pretty quick on it.

Like I said I havent used trusts yet but if they are half as bad as what I did try with Grand Company I am not looking forward to it.

Trusts are way better than squadrons, they do their job with no input from you, they do mechanics, the tank will keep the mobs off you etc. The only downside to them is they dont do any aoe dmg, so the run will likely be slower than with other people, generally they take about 30mins. But if you're a dps with a queue, it might even out in time spent since joining with trust is instant.

Also if you die, it's an instant wipe, and have to run back.

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Originally Posted by seraseth

Trusts are way better than squadrons, they do their job with no input from you, they do mechanics, the tank will keep the mobs off you etc. The only downside to them is they dont do any aoe dmg, so the run will likely be slower than with other people, generally they take about 30mins. But if you're a dps with a queue, it might even out in time spent since joining with trust is instant.

Also if you die, it's an instant wipe, and have to run back.

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Thanks much for the explanation.

I really think this would be helped if either they added another option to the MSQ roulette, or made it a trust duty/dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Myrany

I know the feeling. I found using the grand company group thing to be frustration incarnate. Having to micromanage all the NPCs so they didn't hair off and pull more than could be handled or stand in the bad or whatever other hairbrained thing was just DRAINING. Gave up pretty quick on it.

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Personally, I'd say you're either going about it a bit wrong, or maybe I'm just biased because the stat boosts they get...

Squads are awesome. Standing in bad doesn't even matter, they'll tank anything. They also use aoe skills. You'll still have to pull single groups, just like trusts. Two is possible, but finicky, much like trusts. They might not do mechanics, but that's just because they're all juggernauts.

If you run enough dungeons with them and/or get lucky enough, they get stat boosts (their "orders" or tactics or whatever). If you get real lucky, you can get your whole group boosted +60% dps. They are insane. (granted, boosting them all in Offensive to Mastery 5 is a chore probably not worth doing, but even some of the lesser tactics make life easier)

It may also depend slightly (or heavily) on your composition. You only get one choice of healer, but if you take an Arcanist, they'll assist. Not sure if there's a great difference in tanks, but Gladiator still uses Flash, which blinds, can be beneficial. I'm.... not actually sure if there's any great benefit to taking any other dps, come to think of it. Partly because my Arcanist has the highest dps boost (because I keep using them....), partly because I can't think of anything the old classes really bring to the table, besides maybe Rogue with Trick Attack...

Anyway. I love 'em. I love knowing that even if I'm barely contributing, they'll do a fantastic job of burning everything down. The biggest difference is probably just that tanks don't pay as much attention to aggro as trusts, so they're sometimes inattentive of something hounding you.

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Originally Posted by seraseth

Trusts are way better than squadrons, they do their job with no input from you, they do mechanics, the tank will keep the mobs off you etc. The only downside to them is they dont do any aoe dmg, so the run will likely be slower than with other people, generally they take about 30mins. But if you're a dps with a queue, it might even out in time spent since joining with trust is instant.

Also if you die, it's an instant wipe, and have to run back.

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They actually do have AoE attacks. The issue is they won't use them exclusively like a player will when there are multiple enemies in a group. However I noticed some combinations when doing each initial duty clear during the MSQ with trusts were killing everything in the group at a noticeable pace like Alphanaud, Alisaile, and Yshtola with me as tank.

Honestly all the roulettes should have the daily bonus used up if you leave. I mean it's called a roulette for reason. Sometimes you get something you don't like as much, but it is a roulette and to get the bonus you should be doing what you get.

Also msq roulette can stay getting 7-10 tomes during moogle event is nice and it's a relaxing way to farm them. Nothing wrong with msq roulette. If you don't like doing ether don't queue for it it's not hurting you by being there if you don't want to do it.

Delete the roulette entirely and turn it into trust dungeon or solo duty.

People will avoid one of them depend on what they want:


-Leveling class: avoid Castrum for Prae cuz more exp.

-Tomestone: avoid Prae for Castrum cuz less run time.


About question why people would to run MSQ roulette instead of doing X/Y/Z that gives more exp/tomestones, tell me what kind of content that let you sit for 2/3 of the time to alt-tab/doing house chores, fight brain-dead bosses that require zero efforts, but still yield a huge amount of exp/tomestones. Running 2-3 level/end-expansion dungeons may yield the same exp/tomestone amount of a Prae run, but it means you will have to stay focus for a straight 45 minutes, instead of effortlessly go through 50 minutes of Prae in which 40 minutes are just cutscenes. Same with Fate farming. People will choose what easier to do while giving the same rewards.

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Originally Posted by Eriane_Elis

Why are you even doing MSQ roul? XP? You can get as much XP doing fate trains. Trusts can give almost as much for the amount of time put into it and you don't have to deal with dumb monologues. Tomes? Do hunt trains instead. There are many alternatives to MSQ roulette and it doesn't matter if one person leaves, nobody notices. Half of the time, someone joins and just /follows a player and does nothing the whole time. Yoshi P mentioned he wanted to do something about the atrocity MSQ roulette is. If you don't want to do castrum, take the 30min penalty. Most people don't get that much time to play anyway. I think it's as balanced as it can be for what it is. New players don't get screwed, they are part of the whole experience just like anyone else, no need to wait, just go!

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People do MSQ roulette for a massive chunk of XP while doing something else. Praetorium is mostly AFK, while Castrum is a) shorter, b) gives less XP and c) you can't really go AFK.

The XP reward from praetoruim is just too good. 1 entile level vs castrum's 1/5 of the xp bar. Ideally they need to rework these into normal dungeons that are shorter, and delete the roulette + redistribute the exp into the other roulettes, so people don't feel forced to do msq roulette for the great xp.


If they were dungeons, the only bosses that matter for praetorium are Gaius, the ultima weapon, then Lahabrea. There you go. 3 bosses. For Castrum the only relevant boss is Livia, that could be the last boss. The first 2 could be the fodder magitech or they could put Rhitahtyn as one of the bosses as well.

I really don't think AFK leveling is a justification for either Castrum, Praetorium, or MSQ Roulette. This isn't Progress Quest.

I've never done MSQ for tomes that just seems like a real waste of time imho
exp is fine

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Originally Posted by Eriane_Elis

Why are you even doing MSQ roul? XP?

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..because I can get massive xp and also do my laundry or watch TV. You don't have to pay attention to anything and your actions are very limited to basic AOE. You don't even need to faceroll to get through them.

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Originally Posted by Momo_Kozuki

About question why people would to run MSQ roulette instead of doing X/Y/Z that gives more exp/tomestones, tell me what kind of content that let you sit for 2/3 of the time to alt-tab/doing house chores, fight brain-dead bosses that require zero efforts, but still yield a huge amount of exp/tomestones..

...People will choose what easier to do while giving the same rewards.

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Yeah, there is that, and it's enough of a reason. The thing about that question though is it's redundant because the roulette bonus only applies once per day, and the rewards are accumulative with doing x/y/z. Efficiency doesn't apply if a player leaves the roulette that grants the biggest daily bonus just hanging out there.

It's funny... I never had issues with people leaving Castum until recently. 8 years and very few people leaving then within a week, I had people literally pulling and then the tanks quit out and leave everyone to die.

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

From my own personal evidence, depending on if I get the adventurer in need bonus, I have gotten a full level from Prae (beginning of 86, barely touched, to 87) and so has my spouse in similar situations. In Castrum, however, even with adventurer in need, I get roughly 1/3 of a level at higher levels. Half at most. To me, that seems like a waste of a roulette.

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I know they did some screwy things that seem to make the exp bonus depend on a level threshold so maybe thats where the inconsistency is. Because I've noted 2 praes and 3 or 4 castrums and my exp bonus was all in the 50-60% range but that was all on jobs in the 81-83 range. Note I didn't bother to include the boss fights, at that level the exp from the bosses are chump change compared to what's required to level and I'm guessing the boss count between the two is similar.

In my experience, the experience gain from doing prae isn't worth the extra 20+ minutes. Its only about 1/5th more to do prae instead. Bosses are so chump change if you're 80+.

I only had 1 person leave Castrum, rest just stick and even manage to skip the damage reduction phase on Colossus which always gets me excited.

I prefer Castrum either way, it is always fun chaotic to enjoy.

You know who else leaves Castrum?

My mom!